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From [email protected] Tue Jul 14 00:48:36 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2512 news.groups:54109 comp.sys.mac.announce:318 comp.sys.mac.misc:30387 comp.sys.mac.hypercard:10945 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.mac.announce,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.hypercard Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Gregory G. Woodbury) Subject: RFD: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Message-ID: <[email protected]> Followup-To: news.groups Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Organization: UUNET Technologies, Inc Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1992 02:02:01 GMT Approved: [email protected], [email protected] Lines: 72  A few weeks ago I placed a feeler for comp.sys.mac.advocacy in comp.sys.mac.misc to see what sort of reaction there would be to the concept.  As expected, there was vast indifference, but the folks who responded produced a 12:5 ratio in favor of considering the group.  This is a formal Request For Discussion.  Folks in support of the group are invited to review the proposed charter included here and to refine it in light of their own views and the expressed opinions of the proponents.  Opponents are free to comment upon the proposal, and we are free to respond to their opinions, but the proponents have the duty to produce a charter for the group within thirty days of the posting of this announcement to news.announce.newgroups and other relevant groups.  In accord with the Usenet Guidelines for creating a new group, discussion of the proposal shall take place in news.groups.  Occasional summaries or pointers to the discussion may be placed in various comp.sys.mac hierarchy groups if appropriate.  The Proposal ------------ Group Name:	comp.sys.mac.advocacy Summary:	Comparative discussion of Macintosh vs. other computers  Status:		Unmoderated  Charter:	Comp.sys.mac.advocacy is a place to carry out discssion 	about the Macintosh computer family and software in comparison 	with computers and software from other companies.  All 	comparitive articles about the Macintosh should be placed here 	if posted to the comp.sys.mac newsgroups sub-tree.  No articles 	posted here should be cross-posted to other comp.sys.mac 	newsgroups.  Rational:	The existence of *.advocacy sub-groups is a recent innovation in netnews.  There are currently 5 or 6 *.advocacy newsgroups and they have had a mixed success.  In most cases they *have* succeded in limiting the appearance of comparative articles in the other groups of a hierarchy where they appear.  The purpose of an .advocacy group is not to create a ghetto where comparative articles are exiled to, but to control topic drift and provide a narrower focus to other groups in the hierarchy.  It is, however, appropriate for posters to consider the group as the followup-to group when making comparative analyses of the Mac and other computers or other computers and the Mac.  Administrivia:  If the proposal is considered appropriate and sound by the proponents at the end of thirty days of discussion (or sooner if appropriate)  a Call For Votes will be issued with the (possibly) revised charter.  At the time for the CFV, unless someone with a better connected site (e.g. directly on the internet, not MX'd) volunteers, votes will be sent to "[email protected]" for tabulation. The csma-vote address will not exist until the CFV is issued.  The particulars of the vote format will be contained in the CFV, but will likely be fairly standard (reqesting a standard text for the vote, but not rejecting clear votes that are non-compliant.)  In the case of duplicate votes, the latest vote received before the voting deadline will be the determining vote.  Votes will be acknowledged by email and the poll list will be posted (mass ack) at least twice by the vote taker).  Following final tabulation, results will be posted in the appropriate places, and the appropriate waiting periods andor action/non-action will occur.  (personal note: this site is subject to severe lag in news propagation on occasion, email is not considered to be a problem.  Those with long net.memories may recall that I was opposed to the creation of the first .advocacy group (comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,)  but their track record indicates that they do serve a purpose. -ggw ) --  Gregory G. Woodbury @ The Wolves Den UNIX, Durham NC UUCP: ...dukcds!wolves!ggw   ...duke!wolves!ggw           [use the maps!] Domain: [email protected]  [email protected]  ggw%[email protected] [The line eater is a boojum snark! ]             From [email protected] Fri Aug  7 20:55:08 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2601 news.groups:55136 comp.sys.mac.announce:324 comp.sys.mac.misc:31798 comp.sys.mac.hypercard:11194 comp.sys.mac.apps:22362 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.mac.announce,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.hypercard,comp.sys.mac.apps Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Gregory G. Woodbury) Subject: CFV: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Message-ID: <[email protected]> Followup-To: poster Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: The Wolves Den UNIX, Durham NC Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1992 23:26:29 GMT Approved: [email protected], [email protected] Lines: 92  A month or so ago I placed a feeler for comp.sys.mac.advocacy in comp.sys.mac.misc to see what sort of reaction there would be to the concept.  As expected, there was vast indifference, but the folks who responded produced a 12:5 ratio in favor of considering the group.  This was followed by the RFD.  The RFD also produced no real controversy (except for one person who is opposed to .advocacy groups on principle). The margin of preference did not seem to change much.  This is the Call For Votes: 	Please review the charter below and then vote if you feel interested in expressing your opinion on the proposed newsgroup. The Reply-To header of this message should be pointing to the correct address.  Formal voting instructions are below.  In accord with the Usenet Guidelines for creating a new group, discussion of the proposal took place in news.groups.  The Proposal ------------ Group Name:	comp.sys.mac.advocacy Summary:	Comparative discussion of Macintosh vs. other computers  Status:		Unmoderated  Charter:	Comp.sys.mac.advocacy is a place to carry out discssion 	about the Macintosh computer family and software in comparison 	with computers and software from other companies.  All 	comparitive articles about the Macintosh should be placed here 	if posted to the comp.sys.mac newsgroups sub-tree.  No articles 	posted here should be cross-posted to other comp.sys.mac 	newsgroups.  Rational:	The existence of *.advocacy sub-groups is a recent innovation in netnews.  There are currently 5 or 6 *.advocacy newsgroups and they have had a mixed success.  In most cases they *have* succeded in limiting the appearance of comparative articles in the other groups of a hierarchy where they appear.  The purpose of an .advocacy group is not to create a ghetto where comparative articles are exiled to, but to control topic drift and provide a narrower focus to other groups in the hierarchy.  It is, however, appropriate for posters to consider the group as the followup-to group when making comparative analyses of the Mac and other computers or other computers and the Mac.  Voting Instructions:  	Votes in this opinion poll will be accepted ONLY at the address:  		[email protected]  	Votes mailed elsewhere, or votes that are posted will not be counted. 	This address should be in the Reply-To: header of this article. 	This address should be reachable by most properly configured machines and email systems.  The address is an MX exchanger at Duke. Alternative addresses that might be necessary:  		csmavote%[email protected] 		csmavote%[email protected] 		...!duke.cs.duke.edu!wolves!csmavote 		[email protected]  The vote should clearly have (preferably) one occurrence of the strings  		YES	or Yes  or yes 	or	NO	or No   or no 	or	ABSTAIN or Abstain  or abstain  in the Subject: header of the message envelope.  No text is required in the body of the message.  	Votes that are not machine parseable will be handled by hand.  	The vote must be stated clearly.  If the context of the vote implies that it is conditional, the vote cannot be counted under the current guidelines.  	Only the most recent vote received from any particular address will be counted in the final tally.  	Received votes will be replied to automatically.  	Mass Acknowledgements will be generated weekly.  Final results will be tallied after the close of voting and sent to the appropriate places for posting and action (or inaction as determined by the results.)          No votes will be accepted after 23:59 EDT, 7 September 1992. --  Gregory G. Woodbury @ The Wolves Den UNIX, Durham NC UUCP: ...dukcds!wolves!ggw   ...duke!wolves!ggw           [use the maps!] Domain: [email protected]  [email protected]  ggw%[email protected] [The line eater is a boojum snark! ]             From [email protected] Tue Aug 11 12:15:58 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2613 news.groups:55286 comp.sys.mac.misc:31920 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.mac.misc Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Gregory G. Woodbury) Subject: VOTE ACK: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Message-ID: <[email protected]> Followup-To: poster Summary: 139 received votes Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: The Wolves Den UNIX, Durham NC Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1992 03:42:55 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 162  Below is the "pollbook" of votes received in the comp.sys.mac.advocacy new group poll.  There were a few problems with the autoreply daemon early on, and some folks may not have received an autoreply, and some folks may have received two.  Because of this, I am posting an early mass ack.  Summary of Voting Instructions:  	Email votes only to this account:  [email protected]  	Include the word:  YES/Yes/yes  or  NO/No/no  or 			      ABSTAIN/Abstain/abstain 			   in the Subject header of your mail.  	Votes must be unambiguous.  Vote Acknowledgments:  (Sorted From: lines) --------------------- "Anand C. Patel"  "Apgar, Eric"  "C code. C code run. Run, code, run!  08-Aug-1992 0142"  "Conrad Halton Halling"  "David C. Croson, 3rd Year BusEc"  "Diane M. Wink"  "Erik A. Johnson"  "Hector I. Moran H."  "Mark Rogowsky"  "Robert W. Spiker"  "Scott Ziegler"  "Shut up, Grow up, Lighten up!"  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Winston) duke!ucrmath.ucr.edu!shawn (shawn) duke!umbc3.umbc.edu!ehanson duke!uniwa.uwa.edu.au!anielsen (Andrew Nielsen) duke!uniwa.uwa.edu.au!spw (Steven P Wilkinson) duke!vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu!agoodrid duke!verity.com!anders duke!world.std.com!aml (Andrew M Langmead) jonathan lee wanak   Total received: 139  (two sets of duplicates reduced)  			Thank You for voting!  From [email protected] Mon Aug 17 11:50:48 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2627 news.groups:55540 comp.sys.mac.misc:32244 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.mac.misc Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Subject: VOTE ACK: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Message-ID: <[email protected]> Followup-To: poster Summary: 139 received votes Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: The Wolves Den UNIX, Durham NC Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:38:00 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 332  Below is the "pollbook" of votes received in the comp.sys.mac.advocacy new group poll.  There are a few problems with the autoreply daemon, and some folks may not have received an autoreply, and some folks may have received two.  No votes have been counted twice.  Summary of Voting Instructions:  	Email votes only to this account:  [email protected]  	Include the word:  YES/Yes/yes  or  NO/No/no  or 			      ABSTAIN/Abstain/abstain 			   in the Subject header of your mail.  	Votes must be unambiguous.  	Poll closes at midnight (your time) between Sept 7 and Sept 8, 1992  Vote Acknowledgments:  (Sorted From: lines) --------------------- "Alan (A.R.) Quirt"  "Anand C. Patel"  "Apgar, Eric"  "C code. C code run. Run, code, run!  08-Aug-1992 0142"  "Conrad Halton Halling"  "David C. Croson, 3rd Year BusEc"  "Diane M. Wink"  "Erik A. Johnson"  "Hardcore Alaskan"  "Hector I. Moran H."  "IN%[email protected]"  "John Hausmann"  "Mark Rogowsky"  "Matthew S. 'Opie' Warren"  "R. Mark Jones"  "Robert W. Spiker"  "Ronald Pruitt"  "Scott Ziegler"  "Shut up, Grow up, Lighten up!"  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Woodbury)  Total received: 307  (four sets of duplicates reduced)  			Thank You for voting!  From [email protected] Mon Aug 24 22:22:38 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2645 news.groups:55738 comp.sys.mac.misc:32628 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.mac.misc Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Gregory G. Woodbury) Subject: 3rd CFV and VOTE ACK: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Message-ID: <[email protected]> Followup-To: poster Summary: 139 received votes Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: The Wolves Den UNIX, Durham NC Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 22:20:54 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 366  Below is the "pollbook" of votes received in the comp.sys.mac.advocacy new group poll as of 18:47 EDT 22 August 1992.  I have had a few problems with the autoreply daemon, and some folks may not have received an autoreply, and some folks may have received two.  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Woodbury)  	339 votes received and counted 	  7 duplicates reduced   	Thank you for voting.  From [email protected] Mon Aug 31 21:21:13 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2668 news.groups:55994 comp.sys.mac.misc:33037 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.mac.misc Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Gregory G Woodbury) Subject: VOTE ACK: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Message-ID: <[email protected]> Followup-To: poster Summary: 352 received votes Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: UUNET Technologies, Inc Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 00:56:07 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 384  Below is the "pollbook" of votes received in the comp.sys.mac.advocacy new group poll as of 13:10 EDT 31 August 1992.  This is the last VOTE ACK before the close of the survey on the September 7th-8th boundary.  If you have not voted, and wish to express an opinion on  the creation of the newsgroup, please do so soon.  I have had a few problems with the autoreply daemon, and some folks may not have received an autoreply, and some folks may have received two.  There are not any votes which have been counted twice.  Summary of Voting Instructions:  	Email votes only to this account:  [email protected]  	Include the word:  YES/Yes/yes  or  NO/No/no  or 			      ABSTAIN/Abstain/abstain 			   in the Subject header of your mail.  	Votes must be unambiguous.  	Poll closes at midnight (local) between Sept 7  and Sept 8  1992  Vote Acknowledgments:  (Sorted From: lines) --------------------- "Alan (A.R.) Quirt"  "Anand C. Patel"  "Apgar, Eric"  "C code. C code run. Run, code, run!  08-Aug-1992 0142"  "Conrad Halton Halling"  "Dave V. Schaller"  "David C. Croson, 3rd Year BusEc"  "David W. Rankin Jr."  "Diane M. Wink"  "Eric Berdahl"  "Erik A. Johnson"  "Hardcore Alaskan"  "Hector I. Moran H."  "IN%[email protected]"  "J. Taggart Gorman"  "John Hausmann"  "Mark Rogowsky"  "Matthew S. 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Woodbury)  	352 counted votes  (359 received) 	  7 duplicated reduced to one vote --  				C.S.M.A Vote Taker 				Gregory G. Woodbury 				[email protected]  From [email protected] Tue Sep  8 23:34:32 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2706 news.groups:56314 comp.sys.mac.misc:33511 comp.sys.mac.announce:336 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.announce Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Gregory G Woodbury) Subject: RESULT: comp.sys.mac.advocacy passes 261:106 Message-ID: <[email protected]> Followup-To: news.groups Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: The Wolve's Den UNIX, Durham NC References: <[email protected]> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 03:09:11 GMT Approved: [email protected], [email protected] Lines: 418  Below is the "pollbook" of votes received in the comp.sys.mac.advocacy new group poll as of 00:01 EDT  8 August 1992.  Vote Tabulation:  	377 votes received 	  8 simple duplicates reduced to one each  	369 votes counted  	  2 abstains 	106 no 	261 yes 	------------- 	369 total  	261 yes       - 106 no 	------------- 	159 margin  (more than 100 more yes than no!)  	261 / 369 = 0.707 = 70.7%  (more than 2/3 [66%] in favor!)  Having met the declared criteria, it appears that the vote for comp.sys.mac.advocacy has passed.  The list of voters, grouped by how they voted, appears below.  If there are no substantial changes to the recorded votes within the 5 days from the posting of this article, the group creation message will be issued by David Lawrence ([email protected]).  During the vote, two ambiguous ballots were received (with no indication of yes or no in the headers or the message.) Simple email informing the voter that the votes could not be counted because of no information resulted in the voters concerned submitting valid votes (1 each yes and no.)  Thanks to everyone who voted. 				Gregory G. Woodbury 				CSMA Vote Taker  Abstain votes (2) ============================================================= Ryan Bayne  duke!cs.wisc.edu!tuc (Brian A. Cole)  No votes (106) ============================================================= "Dave V. Schaller"  "David W. Rankin Jr."  "Diane M. Wink"  "Eric J. Olson"  "Hardcore Alaskan"  "Robert W. 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