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From [email protected] Sat Apr  4 02:23:05 1992 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.windows.ms,comp.windows.ms.programmer From: [email protected] (Tom Haapanen) Subject: RFD:  comp.windows.ms reorganization Followup-To: news.groups Organization: Waterloo Engineering Software Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1992 17:35:47 GMT  This reorganization proposal includes the moving of the comp.windows.ms hierarchy from the current comp.windows subtree to the comp.os subtree, to the comp.os.windows hierarchy.  Further, this proposal includes six new newsgroups designed to reduce the volume of traffic in the existing groups in the windows hierarchy to manageable levels, as well as the renaming of the two existing general  groups to .misc groups for consistency with the rest of the comp hierarchy. The current level of traffic is approaching 1500 articles/month in the main group, and is expected to increase with the impending release of Windows 3.1.  These two proposals are first summarized and then detailed below, including their rationales.  The actual voting will include separate votes for each group, and for the hierarchy change.  A summary of recent traffic (from the latest arbitron reports) is also included after the proposals.  The moderator for the proposed comp.os.windows.announce has not yet been selected.  If you wish to volunteer, please contact [email protected]  Please post comments to news.groups and comp.windows.ms only, or email them to [email protected]  The discussion period will extend until 3 April, 1992.  ----------------------------------------  SUMMARY      A.  MOVE   comp.windows.ms            TO   comp.os.windows      B1. RENAME comp.windows.ms            TO comp.os.windows.misc     B2. RENAME comp.windows.ms.programmer TO comp.os.windows.programmer.misc      B3. CREATE comp.os.windows.announce *     B4. CREATE comp.os.windows.apps     B5. CREATE comp.os.windows.{setup|config} **     B6. CREATE comp.os.windows.{advocacy|discuss} **     B7. CREATE comp.os.windows.programmer.tools     B8. CREATE comp.os.windows.programmer.win32      *  moderator not yet selected     ** final group names to be determined during discussion period  ----------------------------------------  A. MOVE comp.windows.ms TO comp.os.windows      "An operating system provides the means for the proper use of [hardware,     software and data] in the operation of the computer system.  Like a     government, the operating system performs no useful function by itself.     It simply provides an environment within which other programs can do     useful work."  [Operating System Concepts, Silverberg]      For all the debate about Windows versions deserving the title "Operating     System", it should not be doubted that Windows is intended to be one.  No     one would doubt that Windows NT is a complete operating system, and upon     closer examination, Windows 3.0 Enhanced mode should be recognised as a     complete operating system which lacks only a native file system. Windows     Enhanced mode fields all hardware access, and performs all process control     and memory management functions. Sometimes Windows passes on virtual I/O     requests to the virtualised MS-DOS which is encapsulated by Windows, in     order that MS-Dos can use 'old' device drivers, TSRs and applications,     and sometimes Windows passes on physical I/O requests to its own native     device driver model known as VxDs or "Virtual Device Drivers".  It is not     correct to say that Windows runs "on top of" MS-Dos, rather, once Windows     is loaded Windows runs on top of the hardware, encapsulates MS-DOS, and     uses it for backward compatibility.  Windows NT does not use any part of     MS-DOS at any time to perform its functions.      If comp.os.cpm & comp.os.msdos are deserving of their place in the     hierarchy, then comp.os.windows is more deserving.  Windows competes     with OS/2, AT&T Unix, Solaris, NextStep, Univell, OSF/1 and Macintosh     for the attention of developers and customers.  Windows NT clearly     belongs in the comp.os hierarchy, and it would be wrong to separate     comp.os.windows.nt and comp.windows.ms, since they have a common API,     a common user interface and a common set of applications.      Now is the time to move comp.windows.ms to comp.os.windows, and to     discuss relevant issues in the relevant place.  ----------------------------------------  B. CREATE and/or RENAME groups as shown below:      PROPOSED NAME:     comp.os.windows.announce     PROPOSED STATUS:   Moderated.     PROPOSED CHARTER:  This moderated newsgroup is intended for all 		       announcements relating to the Windows environment. 		       This may include, but is not limited to, Windows- 		       based software, Windows-compatible hardware and any 		       Windows-related conferences and other events.  No 		       discussion will be permitted in this group.      PROPOSED NAME:     comp.os.windows.apps     PROPOSED STATUS:   Unmoderated.     PROPOSED CHARTER:  This group is intended for discussions about the 		       applications available for running in the Microsoft 		       Windows environment.      PROPOSED NAME:     comp.os.windows.{setup|config}     PROPOSED STATUS:   Unmoderated.     PROPOSED CHARTER:  This group is intended for discussions and questions 		       about the Windows setup and installation process, 		       hardware compatability issues as well as general 		       hardware use and performance issues.      PROPOSED NAME:     comp.os.windows.{advocacy|discuss}     PROPOSED STATUS:   Unmoderated.     PROPOSED CHARTER:  This group is intended for general-level discussions 		       about Windows, and especially rumors, speculation, 		       unannounced products, pricing, support, upgrade poli- 		       cies, and comparisons to other operating systems.      PROPOSED NAME:     comp.os.windows.misc  (RENAMED)     PROPOSED STATUS:   Unmoderated.     PROPOSED CHARTER:  This group is intended for all other discussion and 		       questions about specific Windows issues, such as topics 		       relating to Program and File Managers and use of fonts, 		       except issues covered by comp.os.windows.advocacy.      PROPOSED NAME:     comp.os.windows.programmer.tools     PROPOSED STATUS:   Unmoderated.     PROPOSED CHARTER:  This group is intended for discussion and questions 		       about Windows development tools.  This includes topics 		       such as compiler selection, help compiler, CASE tools, 		       integrated environments and any tool-specific issues 		       (such as using DLLs from Visual Basic).      PROPOSED NAME:     comp.os.windows.programmer.win32     PROPOSED STATUS:   Unmoderated.     PROPOSED CHARTER:  This group is intended for discussion and questions 		       about the Win32 32-bit Windows API (application prog- 		       ramming interface), including Windows NT and Win32s.      PROPOSED NAME:     comp.os.windows.programmer.misc  (RENAMED)     PROPOSED STATUS:   Unmoderated.     PROPOSED CHARTER:  This group is intended for all other discussion and 		       questions about specific Windows development issues, 		       such as DLLs, DDE, OLE, handles, memory management, 		       common dialogs and other relevant issues.  ----------------------------------------  ARBITRON STATISTICS FOR comp.windows.ms.*         +-- Estimated total number of people who read the group, worldwide.        |     +-- Actual number of readers in sampled population        |     |     +-- Propagation: how many sites receive this group at all        |     |     |      +-- Recent traffic (messages per month)        |     |     |      |      +-- Recent traffic (kilobytes per month)        |     |     |      |      |    +-- Crossposting percentage        |     |     |      |      |    |    +-- Cost ratio: $US/month/rdr        |     |     |      |      |    |    |     +-- Share: % of newsreaders        |     |     |      |      |    |    |     |   who read this group.        V     V     V      V      V    V    V     V  48  75000  1709  87%  1554  2388.0  6%  0.06  4.0%  comp.windows.ms 157  45000  1021  82%   820  1176.0  7%  0.04  2.4%  comp.windows.ms.programmer --  [ \tom haapanen    "i don't even know what street canada is on" -- al capone ] [ [email protected]                   "trust the programmer" -- ansi c standard ] [ waterloo engineering software        "to thine own self be true" -- hamlet ]  From [email protected] Sun Apr 19 22:00:42 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2220 news.groups:48788 comp.windows.ms:29711 comp.windows.ms.programmer:10793 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.windows.ms,comp.windows.ms.programmer Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Tom Haapanen) Subject: CFV:  comp.windows.ms reorganization Message-ID: <[email protected]> Followup-To: poster Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: Waterloo Engineering Software Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 18:16:09 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 179  				CALL FOR VOTES 				-------------- 			comp.windows.ms reorganization  This proposal includes the moving of the comp.windows.ms hierarchy from the current comp.windows subtree to the comp.os subtree, to comp.os.ms-windows.  Further, this proposal includes six new newsgroups designed to reduce the volume of traffic in the existing groups in the windows hierarchy to manageable levels, as well as the renaming of the two existing general  groups to .misc groups for consistency with the rest of the comp hierarchy. The current level of traffic is approaching 2000 messages/month in the main group, and is expected to increase with the impending release of Windows 3.1. The current Arbitron-estimated readership is 95,000.  The proposed moderator for the Windows hierarchy .announce group is Todd Derr ([email protected]).  This Call for Votes consists of two parts: first, the ballot form you need to fill out to vote for or against the groups, and second, a detailed explanation of the proposed groups.  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~cut here~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~cut here~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  HOW TO VOTE:     For each of the following proposals, enter YES or NO after the colon at     the end of the line (or leave blank if you do not wish to express a     preference).  Return the completed ballot to [email protected], to be     received by 11:59 pm, May 3, 1992.  Received votes will be     ackowledged en masse in a posting to news.announce.newgroups.   PART 1:      MOVE comp.windows.ms TO comp.os.ms-windows         :   PART 2: these group names are relative to either comp.os.ms-windows or to 	comp.windows.ms, depending on the result of the vote in PART 1.      RENAME base group to .misc                         :     RENAME base .programmer group to .programmer.misc  :     CREATE new group .advocacy                         :     CREATE new group .announce (moderated)             :     CREATE new group .apps                             :     CREATE new group .setup                            :     CREATE new group .programmer.tools                 :     CREATE new group .programmer.win32                 :  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~cut here~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~cut here~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  A. MOVE comp.windows.ms TO comp.os.ms-windows      "An operating system provides the means for the proper use of [hardware,     software and data] in the operation of the computer system.  Like a     government, the operating system performs no useful function by itself.     It simply provides an environment within which other programs can do     useful work."  [_Operating_System_Concepts_, Peterson and Silberschatz]      For all the debate about Windows versions deserving the title "Operating     System", it should not be doubted that Windows is intended to be one.  No     one would doubt that Windows NT is a complete operating system, and upon     closer examination, Windows 3.0 Enhanced mode should be recognised as a     complete operating system which lacks only a native file system. Windows     Enhanced mode fields all hardware access, and performs all process control     and memory management functions. Sometimes Windows passes on virtual I/O     requests to the virtualised MS-DOS which is encapsulated by Windows, in     order that MS-Dos can use 'old' device drivers, TSRs and applications,     and sometimes Windows passes on physical I/O requests to its own native     device driver model known as VxDs or "Virtual Device Drivers".  It is not     correct to say that Windows runs "on top of" MS-Dos, rather, once Windows     is loaded Windows runs on top of the hardware, encapsulates MS-DOS, and     uses it for backward compatibility.  Windows NT does not use any part of     MS-DOS at any time to perform its functions.      If comp.os.cpm & comp.os.msdos are deserving of their place in the     hierarchy, then comp.os.windows is more deserving.  Windows competes     with OS/2, AT&T Unix, Solaris, NextStep, Univell, OSF/1 and Macintosh     for the attention of developers and customers.  Windows NT clearly     belongs in the comp.os hierarchy, and it would be wrong to separate     comp.os.windows.nt and comp.windows.ms, since they have a common API,     a common user interface and a common set of applications.      Finally, whether or not you agree that Windows is an operating system,     millions of Windows users do believe it.  Placing the hierarchy at     comp.os.ms-windows will make it easier for these users to find the      correct newsgroup.      Now is the time to move comp.windows.ms to comp.os.ms-windows, and to     discuss relevant issues in the relevant place.  ----------------------------------------  B. CREATE and/or RENAME groups as shown below:      {base-group-name} is either comp.windows.ms or comp.os.ms-windows,     depending on the result of the vote on moving to the comp.os hierarchy.      PROPOSED NAME:     {base-group-name}.announce     PROPOSED STATUS:   Moderated by Todd Derr <[email protected]>     PROPOSED CHARTER:  This moderated newsgroup is intended for all 		       announcements relating to the Windows environment. 		       This may include, but is not limited to, Windows 		       software products, Windows-compatible hardware and 		       any Windows-related conferences and other events.      PROPOSED NAME:     {base-group-name}.apps     PROPOSED STATUS:   Unmoderated.     PROPOSED CHARTER:  This group is intended for discussions about the 		       applications available for running in the Microsoft 		       Windows environment.      PROPOSED NAME:     {base-group-name}.setup     PROPOSED STATUS:   Unmoderated.     PROPOSED CHARTER:  This group is intended for discussions and questions 		       about the Windows setup and installation process, 		       hardware compatability issues as well as general 		       hardware use and performance issues.      PROPOSED NAME:     {base-group-name}.advocacy     PROPOSED STATUS:   Unmoderated.     PROPOSED CHARTER:  This group is intended for general-level discussions 		       about Windows, and especially rumors, speculation, 		       unannounced products, pricing, support, upgrade poli- 		       cies, and comparisons to other operating systems.      PROPOSED NAME:     {base-group-name}.misc  (RENAMED)     PROPOSED STATUS:   Unmoderated.     PROPOSED CHARTER:  This group is intended for all other discussion and 		       questions about specific Windows issues, such as topics 		       relating to Program and File Managers and use of fonts, 		       except issues covered by {base-group-name}.advocacy.      PROPOSED NAME:     {base-group-name}.programmer.tools     PROPOSED STATUS:   Unmoderated.     PROPOSED CHARTER:  This group is intended for discussion and questions 		       about Windows development tools.  This includes topics 		       such as compiler selection, help compiler, CASE tools, 		       integrated environments and any tool-specific issues 		       (such as using DLLs from Visual Basic).      PROPOSED NAME:     {base-group-name}.programmer.win32     PROPOSED STATUS:   Unmoderated.     PROPOSED CHARTER:  This group is intended for discussion and questions 		       about the Win32 32-bit Windows API (application prog- 		       ramming interface), including Windows NT and Win32s.      PROPOSED NAME:     {base-group-name}.programmer.misc  (RENAMED)     PROPOSED STATUS:   Unmoderated.     PROPOSED CHARTER:  This group is intended for all other discussion and 		       questions about specific Windows development issues, 		       such as DLLs, DDE, OLE, handles, memory management, 		       common dialogs and other relevant issues.  ----------------------------------------  ARBITRON STATISTICS FOR comp.windows.ms.*         +-- Estimated total number of people who read the group, worldwide.        |     +-- Actual number of readers in sampled population        |     |     +-- Propagation: how many sites receive this group at all        |     |     |      +-- Recent traffic (messages per month)        |     |     |      |      +-- Recent traffic (kilobytes per month)        |     |     |      |      |    +-- Crossposting percentage        |     |     |      |      |    |    +-- Cost ratio: $US/month/rdr        |     |     |      |      |    |    |     +-- Share: % of newsreaders        |     |     |      |      |    |    |     |   who read this group.        V     V     V      V      V    V    V     V Last month (March):  31  95000  1940  86%  1850  2852.2 12%  0.05  4.5%  comp.windows.ms 142  54524+  1090  82%   680  1006.6  4%  0.03  2.5%  comp.windows.ms.programmer  Previous month (February):  48  75000  1709  87%  1554  2388.0  6%  0.06  4.0%  comp.windows.ms 157  45000  1021  82%   820  1176.0  7%  0.04  2.4%  comp.windows.ms.programmer --  [ \tom haapanen    "i don't even know what street canada is on" -- al capone ] [ [email protected]                   "trust the programmer" -- ansi c standard ] [ waterloo engineering software      "to thine own self be true" -- polonius ]  From [email protected] Mon Apr 20 12:46:45 1992 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.windows.ms,comp.windows.ms.programmer,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.msdos.misc From: [email protected] (The vote taker) Subject: 2nd CFV:  comp.windows.ms reorganization Followup-To: poster Organization: Waterloo Engineering Software Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1992 14:53:00 GMT  			      2nd CALL FOR VOTES 			      ------------------ 			comp.windows.ms reorganization  This proposal includes the moving of the comp.windows.ms hierarchy from the current comp.windows subtree to the comp.os subtree, to comp.os.ms-windows.  Further, this proposal includes six new newsgroups designed to reduce the volume of traffic in the existing groups in the windows hierarchy to manageable levels, as well as the renaming of the two existing general  groups to .misc groups for consistency with the rest of the comp hierarchy. The current level of traffic is approaching 2000 messages/month in the main group, and is expected to increase with the impending release of Windows 3.1. The current Arbitron-estimated readership is 95,000.  The proposed moderator for the Windows hierarchy .announce group is Todd Derr ([email protected]).  This Call for Votes consists of two parts: first, the ballot form you need to fill out to vote for or against the groups, and second, a detailed explanation of the proposed groups.  NOTE: Votes received to date have been acknowledged individually by mail.        If you have voted and haven't received an acknowledgement message,        please contact [email protected]  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~cut here~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~cut here~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  HOW TO VOTE:     For each of the following proposals, enter YES or NO after the colon at     the end of the line (or leave blank if you do not wish to express a     preference).  Return the completed ballot to [email protected], to be     received by 11:59 pm, May 3, 1992.  Received votes will be acknowledged     individually by mail, and also in the results, which will be posted to     news.announce.newgroups.   PART 1:      MOVE comp.windows.ms TO comp.os.ms-windows         :   PART 2: these group names are relative to either comp.os.ms-windows or to 	comp.windows.ms, depending on the result of the vote in PART 1.      RENAME base group to .misc                         :     RENAME base .programmer group to .programmer.misc  :     CREATE new group .advocacy                         :     CREATE new group .announce (moderated)             :     CREATE new group .apps                             :     CREATE new group .setup                            :     CREATE new group .programmer.tools                 :     CREATE new group .programmer.win32                 :  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~cut here~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~cut here~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  A. MOVE comp.windows.ms TO comp.os.ms-windows      "An operating system provides the means for the proper use of [hardware,     software and data] in the operation of the computer system.  Like a     government, the operating system performs no useful function by itself.     It simply provides an environment within which other programs can do     useful work."  [_Operating_System_Concepts_, Peterson and Silberschatz]      For all the debate about Windows versions deserving the title "Operating     System", it should not be doubted that Windows is intended to be one.  No     one would doubt that Windows NT is a complete operating system, and upon     closer examination, Windows 3.0 Enhanced mode should be recognised as a     complete operating system which lacks only a native file system. Windows     Enhanced mode fields all hardware access, and performs all process control     and memory management functions. Sometimes Windows passes on virtual I/O     requests to the virtualised MS-DOS which is encapsulated by Windows, in     order that MS-Dos can use 'old' device drivers, TSRs and applications,     and sometimes Windows passes on physical I/O requests to its own native     device driver model known as VxDs or "Virtual Device Drivers".  It is not     correct to say that Windows runs "on top of" MS-Dos, rather, once Windows     is loaded Windows runs on top of the hardware, encapsulates MS-DOS, and     uses it for backward compatibility.  Windows NT does not use any part of     MS-DOS at any time to perform its functions.      If comp.os.cpm & comp.os.msdos are deserving of their place in the     hierarchy, then comp.os.windows is more deserving.  Windows competes     with OS/2, AT&T Unix, Solaris, NextStep, Univell, OSF/1 and Macintosh     for the attention of developers and customers.  Windows NT clearly     belongs in the comp.os hierarchy, and it would be wrong to separate     comp.os.windows.nt and comp.windows.ms, since they have a common API,     a common user interface and a common set of applications.      Finally, whether or not you agree that Windows is an operating system,     millions of Windows users do believe it.  Placing the hierarchy at     comp.os.ms-windows will make it easier for these users to find the      correct newsgroup.      Now is the time to move comp.windows.ms to comp.os.ms-windows, and to     discuss relevant issues in the relevant place.  ----------------------------------------  B. CREATE and/or RENAME groups as shown below:      {base-group-name} is either comp.windows.ms or comp.os.ms-windows,     depending on the result of the vote on moving to the comp.os hierarchy.      PROPOSED NAME:     {base-group-name}.announce     PROPOSED STATUS:   Moderated by Todd Derr <[email protected]>     PROPOSED CHARTER:  This moderated newsgroup is intended for all 		       announcements relating to the Windows environment. 		       This may include, but is not limited to, Windows 		       software products, Windows-compatible hardware and 		       any Windows-related conferences and other events.      PROPOSED NAME:     {base-group-name}.apps     PROPOSED STATUS:   Unmoderated.     PROPOSED CHARTER:  This group is intended for discussions about the 		       applications available for running in the Microsoft 		       Windows environment.      PROPOSED NAME:     {base-group-name}.setup     PROPOSED STATUS:   Unmoderated.     PROPOSED CHARTER:  This group is intended for discussions and questions 		       about the Windows setup and installation process, 		       hardware compatability issues as well as general 		       hardware use and performance issues.      PROPOSED NAME:     {base-group-name}.advocacy     PROPOSED STATUS:   Unmoderated.     PROPOSED CHARTER:  This group is intended for general-level discussions 		       about Windows, and especially rumors, speculation, 		       unannounced products, pricing, support, upgrade poli- 		       cies, and comparisons to other operating systems.      PROPOSED NAME:     {base-group-name}.misc  (RENAMED)     PROPOSED STATUS:   Unmoderated.     PROPOSED CHARTER:  This group is intended for all other discussion and 		       questions about specific Windows issues, such as topics 		       relating to Program and File Managers and use of fonts, 		       except issues covered by {base-group-name}.advocacy.      PROPOSED NAME:     {base-group-name}.programmer.tools     PROPOSED STATUS:   Unmoderated.     PROPOSED CHARTER:  This group is intended for discussion and questions 		       about Windows development tools.  This includes topics 		       such as compiler selection, help compiler, CASE tools, 		       integrated environments and any tool-specific issues 		       (such as using DLLs from Visual Basic).      PROPOSED NAME:     {base-group-name}.programmer.win32     PROPOSED STATUS:   Unmoderated.     PROPOSED CHARTER:  This group is intended for discussion and questions 		       about the Win32 32-bit Windows API (application prog- 		       ramming interface), including Windows NT and Win32s.      PROPOSED NAME:     {base-group-name}.programmer.misc  (RENAMED)     PROPOSED STATUS:   Unmoderated.     PROPOSED CHARTER:  This group is intended for all other discussion and 		       questions about specific Windows development issues, 		       such as DLLs, DDE, OLE, handles, memory management, 		       common dialogs and other relevant issues.  ----------------------------------------  ARBITRON STATISTICS FOR comp.windows.ms.*         +-- Estimated total number of people who read the group, worldwide.        |     +-- Actual number of readers in sampled population        |     |     +-- Propagation: how many sites receive this group at all        |     |     |      +-- Recent traffic (messages per month)        |     |     |      |      +-- Recent traffic (kilobytes per month)        |     |     |      |      |    +-- Crossposting percentage        |     |     |      |      |    |    +-- Cost ratio: $US/month/rdr        |     |     |      |      |    |    |     +-- Share: % of newsreaders        |     |     |      |      |    |    |     |   who read this group.        V     V     V      V      V    V    V     V Last month (March):  31  95000  1940  86%  1850  2852.2 12%  0.05  4.5%  comp.windows.ms 142  54524+  1090  82%   680  1006.6  4%  0.03  2.5%  comp.windows.ms.programmer  Previous month (February):  48  75000  1709  87%  1554  2388.0  6%  0.06  4.0%  comp.windows.ms 157  45000  1021  82%   820  1176.0  7%  0.04  2.4%  comp.windows.ms.programmer --  [ \tom haapanen    "i don't even know what street canada is on" -- al capone ] [ [email protected]                   "trust the programmer" -- ansi c standard ] [ waterloo engineering software      "to thine own self be true" -- polonius ]  From [email protected] Tue May  5 12:07:19 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2292 news.groups:50335 comp.windows.ms:32155 comp.windows.ms.programmer:11379 comp.os.os2.misc:18960 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.windows.ms,comp.windows.ms.programmer,comp.os.os2.misc Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (The vote taker) Subject: RESULT:  comp.windows.ms reorganization passes Message-ID: <[email protected]> Followup-To: news.groups Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Organization: Waterloo Engineering Software Date: Tue, 5 May 1992 15:55:00 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 411  This article contains the results of the comp.windows.ms reorganization vote. Voting was closed at 11:59 pm on May 3, 1992.  A total of 324 votes (plus several duplicates) were received; no votes were disqualified.    SUMMARY ------- The following is a summary of the votes for each proposal:      Total votes:		 324           Proposal                    Group                Yes   No  Margin  Pct     ----------------------------------------------------------------------     MOVE comp.windows.ms to     comp.os.ms-windows   226   82   144    73%     RENAME base group to        .misc                276   36   240    88%     RENAME .programmer group to .programmer.misc     229   72   157    76%     CREATE new group            .advocacy            230   70   160    77%     CREATE new group            .announce            285   27   258    91%     CREATE new group            .apps                284   28   256    91%     CREATE new group            .setup               263   46   219    85%     CREATE new group            .programmer.tools    239   64   175    79%     CREATE new group            .programmer.win32    224   73   151    75%  As shown, all proposals meet the two voting criteria in the guidelines, (YES - NO > 100) and (YES > 2 * NO).  Individual votes are listed at the end of this article.    Of the total 324 voters, 34 were from Microsoft.  Although this is a relatively high number, it is only about 10% of the total votes.  In  addition, all proposals would have passed even if the Microsoft votes were not to be counted.   CHARTERS -------- comp.os.ms-windows.announce (MODERATED)     announcements relating to the Windows environment.  This may include,     but is not limited to, Windows software products, Windows-compatible     hardware and any Windows-related conferences and other events.     *** Moderated by Todd Derr <[email protected]> ***  comp.os.ms-windows.apps     This group is intended for discussions about the applications     available for running in the Microsoft Windows environment.  comp.os.ms-windows.setup     This group is intended for discussions and questions about the Windows     setup and installation process, hardware compatability issues as well     as general hardware use and performance issues.  comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy     This group is intended for general-level discussions about Windows,     and especially rumors, speculation, unannounced products, pricing,      upgrade policies, and comparisons to other operating systems.  comp.os.ms-windows.misc (RENAMED from comp.windows.ms)     This group is intended for all other discussion and questions about     specific Windows issues, such as topics relating to Program and File     Managers and use of fonts, except issues covered by     comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy.  comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools     This group is intended for discussion and questions about Windows     development tools.  This includes topics such as compiler selection,     help compiler, CASE tools, integrated environments and any tool-     specific issues (such as using DLLs from Visual Basic).  comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32     This group is intended for discussion and questions about the Win32     32-bit Windows API (application programming interface), including     Windows NT and Win32s.  comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc (RENAMED from comp.windows.ms.programmer)     This group is intended for all other discussion and questions about     specific Windows development issues, such as DLLs, DDE, OLE, handles,     memory management, common dialogs and other relevant issues.   VOTER LISTING ------------- The vote listing shows a Y or N for each of the nine categories (see SUMMARY for the order of categories), or '-' for categories where the voter did not indicate a preference.  Aaron Bregel <[email protected]>                   Y N N Y Y Y Y N Y Aaron Wallace <[email protected]>                Y N N Y Y Y Y N Y Adam Walkees <[email protected]>                       Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Ade Barkah <[email protected]>             N N N N N N N N N Adrian Goldman <[email protected]>                 N - - - - - - - - Ake Knutsson <[email protected]>                            Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Aki Saari <[email protected]>                       Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Alan Walford <[email protected]>                    Y N N Y N Y Y N Y Alex Telford <[email protected]>                     Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Alexander Kasman <[email protected]>                 Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Alistair Banks <[email protected]>                   Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Alonzo Gariepy <[email protected]>                     Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y [email protected]                            Y Y Y N Y Y N N Y [email protected]                                    Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Andrei L. Davydov <[email protected]>                    Y Y N Y Y Y Y N Y Andrew Boyko <[email protected]>                        N Y Y N Y Y Y Y N Andrew BW Colfelt <[email protected]>             Y N N Y Y Y Y Y Y Andrew Schouten <[email protected]>                     Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Andrew Walters <[email protected]>           Y N - N Y N N - - [email protected]                                            Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Ashok Aiyar <[email protected]>                           Y N N Y Y Y Y Y N Ben Combee <[email protected]>                     Y Y Y N Y Y Y Y Y Bengt Larsson <[email protected]>                       Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Benjamin Fan <[email protected]>                 Y Y N N Y N N N N Beth Schwindt <[email protected]>                     Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Bill McCormick <[email protected]>     Y Y Y Y Y Y - Y Y [email protected]                            - Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y [email protected]                                     Y Y Y Y N Y Y Y Y Bob Grudem <[email protected]>                         Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Bob Rusbasan <[email protected]>                Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y [email protected]                                        Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Brad Debroni <[email protected]>                       Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Brad Taplin <[email protected]>              N Y Y N Y Y Y Y N Brian Corrigan <[email protected]>              Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Brian Dockter <[email protected]>                             N Y Y - - - - - - Brian J. Catlin <[email protected]>      N Y N N Y Y N N N Brian Kerman <[email protected]>                           N Y N Y Y Y Y N N Brian McCashin <[email protected]>                    Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Brian Smithson <[email protected]>              Y Y Y N N Y Y Y N Brian Vetter <[email protected]>                   Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Brian Wyld <[email protected]>                          Y Y Y - - - - Y Y Bruce Barnett <[email protected]>                 Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Bruce C. Wright [email protected]>                      N Y N N Y Y Y N N Bruce Oneel  <[email protected]>                  Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y C.B. Leyerle <[email protected]>                          Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Carl M. Kadie <[email protected]>                         Y Y - - Y Y Y - - Carl Rigney <[email protected]>                                 Y Y Y N N N N N N Carlo Sgro <[email protected]>                           N Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Caroline Moran <[email protected]>                   Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y cc.curtin.edu.au!Chamberlain_WT                           Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Charles Fee <[email protected]>                        N Y N Y N N N N N Charles Forsythe <[email protected]>                N Y Y Y Y Y N Y N Charlie Lear <[email protected]>                       N Y Y N Y Y Y Y Y [email protected]                                      N N N N N N N N N Chip Rosenthal <[email protected]>                 - - - - - - N N N Chris Guzak <[email protected]>                        Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Chris Lafournaise <[email protected]>             Y Y Y Y Y Y N Y N [email protected]                            Y N N Y Y Y Y Y Y [email protected]                                   N Y N Y Y Y Y Y N Christoph Mueller <[email protected]>                Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Christopher Biow <[email protected]>                        Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Claus Giloi <[email protected]>                       Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Claus Kjaergaard <[email protected]>                    N N N N Y Y Y Y Y Clay Bridges <[email protected]>                           Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Corne Brouwers <[email protected]>                             Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Curt Lindner <[email protected]>                  Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y [email protected]                                      N Y Y N Y Y Y Y Y Dale Lutz <[email protected]>                                    - Y Y Y Y Y Y Y N Dan Steele <[email protected]>                         Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Daniel Bien <[email protected]>             Y N N Y Y Y Y Y Y Danny Yarbrough <[email protected]>            Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Dario Alcocer <[email protected]>                    Y Y Y Y Y Y Y N N Dave Sill <[email protected]>                        N Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Dave Weinstein <[email protected]>                        Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y [email protected]                                           N Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y David A. Sinclair <[email protected]>        N Y N Y Y Y Y Y N David C. Copley <[email protected]>                  Y Y N Y N N N N Y David Chappell <[email protected]>                      N N N N N N N N N David Goldsmith <[email protected]>            Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y DAVID HOLE <[email protected]>                            Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y David J Leitko <[email protected]>                 Y Y Y Y N Y Y Y Y David Mork <[email protected]>                        Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y David Shepherd <[email protected]>                          N - - - - - - - - [email protected]                                 Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Dean Dierschow <[email protected]>                        Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Demian A. Johnston <[email protected]>                 N Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Dennis Adler <[email protected]>                     Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Don Rubin <[email protected]>                      N N N Y Y Y Y Y Y Don Wilcox <[email protected]>                       Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Donald H. Locker <[email protected]>                            N Y Y N Y Y Y Y Y Doug Henrich <[email protected]>                       Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Doug McDonald <[email protected]>               N Y N N N Y N N N Ed Grether <[email protected]>                        Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Ed McGuire <[email protected]>                    Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Ed Schwalenberg <[email protected]>                              Y Y Y N Y Y Y Y Y Edmund Hack <[email protected]>                       Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y [email protected]                                        Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Ellen Yu <[email protected]>                           Y Y Y N Y Y Y Y Y Emil Granbom <[email protected]>                            Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Eric Bell <[email protected]>                    N N N N Y Y Y N Y Eric Cook <[email protected]>                         Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Eric Hunt <[email protected]>                     Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Eric Swenson <[email protected]>                            Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Eric Thomas Stuebe <[email protected]>                  - - - Y Y Y Y - - [email protected]                                         Y Y Y N Y Y Y Y Y [email protected]                                       Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Felix Andrew <[email protected]>                       Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Francois Yergeau <[email protected]>                  Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Frank Kaefer <[email protected]>                     N N N N N N N N N Frank Maloney <[email protected]>                      Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y G. W. Erhart                                  N Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Gareth Edwards <[email protected]>                     Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y N Gary Walsh <[email protected]>                        Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Geoffrey Rowell <[email protected]>                    Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Geraint Edwards <[email protected]>     N Y Y N Y Y Y N N Gil Freund                       Y Y Y N Y Y Y Y Y Gordon Goldsborough <[email protected]>            Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Gordon Letwin <[email protected]>                     Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Graham Lawrence                    Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Greg Hitchcock <[email protected]>                      Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Greg Lindahl <[email protected]>               Y Y - N - - - - - gregory d moncreaff <[email protected]>            Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y [email protected]                                  N N Y Y Y Y N N N [email protected]                                Y Y N - Y Y Y N N [email protected]                           N N N N Y Y N Y Y Harvey S Cohen <[email protected]>                       Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Heikki T. Suopanki so <[email protected]>            Y Y N Y Y Y N N N Herman van der Molen <[email protected]>         Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Hugh G. Stocks [email protected]>            Y Y - Y Y Y Y - - Ian Crorie <[email protected]>                     N Y Y - Y Y Y Y Y Ilkka Hyvarinen <[email protected]>                 N Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y It's not over ... <[email protected]>              N Y N - Y Y N Y Y J. Scott Farrow <[email protected]>                Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y J.D. Baldwin <[email protected]>        Y N N N N N N N N J.W. Butler <[email protected]>               N Y Y N Y Y Y Y N James A. O'Brien <[email protected]>              Y Y Y N Y Y Y Y Y James Barrett <[email protected]>                     N N N N N N N N N James Mumper <[email protected]>                    N Y Y N Y Y Y Y Y [email protected]                                N Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Jay Maynard <[email protected]>                Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Jay Mclain <[email protected]>                           Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <[email protected]>           Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Jeff Meyer <[email protected]>                        Y Y N Y Y Y Y N N Jeff Rife <[email protected]>                        Y Y Y - Y Y Y Y - Jeffrey K Cuyle <[email protected]>                     N Y Y Y Y Y Y Y N Jeroen W. Pluimers <[email protected]>         Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Jerry <[email protected]>                           Y Y N N Y Y Y Y N Jerry W. Jordak <[email protected]>                        Y Y Y N Y Y Y Y Y Jim Adcock <[email protected]>                          Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Jim DeLaHunt <[email protected]>                         Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y [email protected]                                    Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Joe Bradley <[email protected]>                        Y N N N N N N N N Joe Keane <[email protected]>                   Y Y N - Y Y - N N Joe M. Abbate <[email protected]>                        Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y John Bartlow <[email protected]>                       Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y John De Armond [email protected]>           Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y John Dowdal <[email protected]>                         N Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y John E. Mendenhall <[email protected]>                N N N N N N N N N John G Dobnick <[email protected]>                     N Y N N Y N N N N John Jay Tanlimco <[email protected]>                 Y N N Y Y Y Y Y Y John Lauro <[email protected]>                     N Y N N Y Y Y N N John Pennock <[email protected]>                        Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y N John Robinson <[email protected]>                        Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y John Starta [email protected]>              Y Y N N Y Y Y N Y Jon <[email protected]>                                    Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Jon Kechejian <[email protected]>                        Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Jon Ulrigg <[email protected]>                          Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y JT Anderson <[email protected]>                    N Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Juergen Stuber <[email protected]>                    - Y Y Y Y Y Y - - Jyri J. Virkki <[email protected]>                N - - - - - - - - [email protected]                                                Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Kate Wilson <[email protected]>               Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Keith Quarles <[email protected]>                       Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Ken Blackney <[email protected]>           Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Ken Fasman <[email protected]>                  Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Ken Fowles <[email protected]>                           Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Kevin D. Parris <[email protected]>               Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Kim DeVaughn <[email protected]>                  N N N N N N N N N Kim Rosenthal Hansen <[email protected]>                 Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Kirsten Rognstad <[email protected]>                         Y Y - Y Y Y Y - - Kohei MOMOSAKI <[email protected]>             Y - - - Y Y Y Y - Larry Weeks <[email protected]>                    Y Y Y N Y Y Y Y Y Lars Soltau <[email protected]>                  N - - - - - - - - Lee Fisher <[email protected]>                          Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Leo Chouinard <[email protected]>                          N Y N Y Y N N N N Ling Chang <[email protected]>                  Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Lonny McMichael <[email protected]>            Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Magnus <[email protected]>                              Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Manuel Bronstein                    Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Marc Moorcroft <[email protected]>                   N N N N Y N N N N Mark A. Holtz <[email protected]>                  N N N Y Y Y Y Y Y Mark Atwood [email protected]>                    Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Mark Bradford <[email protected]>               N Y - Y Y Y Y - - Mark D. Shattuck <[email protected]>                       N Y N Y Y Y Y N N Mark J Handel <[email protected]>                 Y Y Y Y Y Y N N N Mark Laforge <[email protected]>                    - Y Y N Y Y Y Y Y Mark Pundsack <[email protected]>                N Y Y - Y Y - Y Y Mark Towfiq <[email protected]>                              Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Mark W. Schumann <[email protected]>               Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Markku Kaukinen                                Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Martin Lafaix <[email protected]>             N Y N N Y Y N N N Martti Toivakka <[email protected]>                 Y Y Y N Y Y Y Y Y Matt Hucke <[email protected]>                       Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Matt Squires <[email protected]>                       Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Matthew Lyle <[email protected]>                          N Y N N Y N Y Y N mehta <[email protected]>                           - N N N N N N N N Michael Bryan <[email protected]>                       Y Y N N Y Y Y N N Michael James Porter <[email protected]>                Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Michael Lanham <[email protected]>                     N - - - - - - - Y Michael Patra <[email protected]>         - - - - Y Y Y Y - Michael Qvortrup                    Y Y Y - Y Y Y Y - Michael Regoli <[email protected]>                 Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Michael Sijacic <[email protected]>                     Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Michael Van Kleeck <[email protected]>                 Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Michael Warning <[email protected]>               Y Y N - Y - - Y Y [email protected]         - Y - Y - Y Y - - Mikael Lundgren <[email protected]>              Y Y Y - Y Y Y Y Y Mike Batchelor <[email protected]>                    Y Y N Y N Y N N N Mike Dryfoos <[email protected]>                       Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Mike Levis <[email protected]>                    N N N N N N N N N Mike Quigley <[email protected]>                Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Milind Mahajan <[email protected]>                    Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y [email protected]                            Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Nathan Schimke <[email protected]>                      Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Nathaniel Stitt <[email protected]>                          Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Neto David <[email protected]>                     Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Ng Pheng Siong                 Y Y Y Y Y Y N Y Y Nick Pemberton <[email protected]>                          Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Nick Rozanski <[email protected]>                          Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Nitin Borwankar <[email protected]>                        Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Oliver Jones <[email protected]>                   N N Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Olivier PLAUT <[email protected]>                       Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Otto-Ville Ronkainen <[email protected]>                 Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Panos Economopoulos <[email protected]>                - Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Pat Farrell <[email protected]>                    Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Patrick Logan <[email protected]>                    Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Patrick R. Brown <[email protected]>                Y Y N Y Y Y Y N N Paul Bonneau <[email protected]>                          N Y N Y Y Y Y Y N Paul S Secinaro <[email protected]>                     Y - Y Y Y Y Y - - Per Abrahamsen <[email protected]>                      Y Y - Y Y - - - - Perry Caro <[email protected]>                           N Y N Y Y Y Y N N Peter da Silva <[email protected]>                        Y Y - Y Y Y - - - Peter Gahbler <[email protected]>                       N N N Y N N N Y N Peter J. Linstrom <[email protected]>                  Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Peter Karrer <[email protected]>                    Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Po Shan Cheah <[email protected]>               Y Y Y N Y Y Y Y Y [email protected]                                    Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y [email protected]                                 Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Ralph Brown <[email protected]>                         Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Ravi Pandya <[email protected]>                             - Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y [email protected]                                  Y Y Y N Y Y Y Y Y Resident.Alien <[email protected]>                             Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Rf Jones <[email protected]>                       Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Rhoda Neimand <[email protected]>                      Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y [email protected]                                          Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Richard Commander <[email protected]>         Y Y N N Y Y Y Y N Richard H. Miller <[email protected]>          Y N N Y Y N N Y N [email protected]           N Y - Y Y Y N - - [email protected]                                    Y Y Y N Y Y Y Y Y Robert Gerber <[email protected]>                 Y - - N N N N N N Robert J. McNamara <[email protected]>                     N Y - - - - - - - Robert L. Howard <[email protected]>                N Y Y N Y Y N Y - Robert Salesas <[email protected]>            Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Rodney Chen <[email protected]>                   Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Roger Hadgraft <[email protected]>          Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Roger MacNicol                         N - - Y Y Y Y Y Y Rolando Vinluan <[email protected]>                 Y N N Y Y Y Y N Y Rune J|rgensen <[email protected]>                        - Y Y - - Y Y Y Y Russell Jackson <[email protected]>         Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Russell Schulz <[email protected]>             - Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Sarah Warne <[email protected]>                           Y N N Y Y Y Y Y N [email protected]                              N Y N N N Y Y N N [email protected]                                      N Y Y N N Y Y Y Y Sir Meekyel Romanov <[email protected]>               Y Y N N Y N N N Y [email protected]                                      Y Y Y N Y Y Y Y Y Stefan Olson                    Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Steve A. Feinstein <[email protected]>                       N Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Steve Adams <[email protected]>                              Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Steven White <[email protected]>                     N Y N N Y Y Y N N Stu Labovitz <[email protected]>                   Y Y N Y Y N Y N N Sven Heinicke <[email protected]>                       N N N N N N N N - Sven Kratochvil <[email protected]>                  N Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y [email protected]                                     - Y - Y Y Y Y - - sxjcb%[email protected]                           Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Sylvain Tremblay <[email protected]>                 Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Tad Morgan <[email protected]>                       Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y [email protected]                                         N Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Ted M. Young <[email protected]>                         Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Ted Richards <[email protected]>                             Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Ted W. Leung <[email protected]>                           Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y [email protected]                                           Y Y N - Y Y Y N N The Myth <[email protected]>                         Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Themin Suwardy <[email protected]>         Y N Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Thomas Farmer             Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Thomas Gasser <[email protected]>                  Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Thomas Reardon <[email protected]>                   Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Thomas Wong <[email protected]>                          N Y Y N Y Y N N N Tim Frost <[email protected]>                          Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Tim Hunter <[email protected]>                            Y Y N Y Y Y Y N N Tim Ihde <[email protected]>                                Y Y Y - Y Y Y N N Tim Powell <[email protected]>                      - Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Timothy F. Sipples <[email protected]>             N Y Y N Y Y Y N N Todd J Derr <[email protected]>                   Y Y Y N Y Y Y N Y Tom Albrecht <[email protected]>           Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Tom Fitzgerald <[email protected]>                            N Y Y N Y Y N N N Tom Haapanen <[email protected]>                             Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Tom Hensel <[email protected]>                          Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Tony Wilson <[email protected]>                               N Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Turgut Kalfaoglu <[email protected]>                  N N N N N N N N N Ulf Kjelaas  <[email protected]>                  Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y [email protected]                             Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Veli-Pekka Tahvanainen <[email protected]>             N Y Y N Y Y Y Y Y Vera Heinau <[email protected]>            Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Vidar Sonerud <[email protected]>                     Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y W Cameron Leask <[email protected]>            Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Wayne McCormick <[email protected]>                       N Y N Y Y Y Y N N [email protected]                                - Y N N Y Y N N N Wen-Chun Ni <[email protected]>                            N Y Y Y Y Y Y Y - William E. Price <[email protected]>                  Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y William Owen Carlson <[email protected]>     N Y N Y N Y N N N William Taylor <[email protected]>                       N N N N Y N N Y N [email protected]                                    Y Y N N Y Y Y N N Woodworth Lee <[email protected]>           Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Yaacov Fenster  <[email protected]>             Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y --  [ \tom haapanen    "i don't even know what street canada is on" -- al capone ] [ [email protected]                   "trust the programmer" -- ansi c standard ] [ waterloo engineering software      "to thine own self be true" -- polonius ]