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From [email protected] Fri May 28 16:16:50 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Edward Vielmetti) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.dcom.cell-relay,alt.dcom.telecom,comp.protocols.ppp Subject: RFD: comp.dcom.frame-relay Followup-To: news.groups Date: 27 May 1993 17:21:20 -0400 Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan Lines: 27 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:3622 news.groups:72903 comp.dcom.cell-relay:1558 alt.dcom.telecom:2101 comp.protocols.ppp:1709 This is a request for discussion of a new newsgroup, comp.dcom.frame-relay. Frame Relay is a protocol for sending datagrams ("frames") through a switched network. An encapsulation of TCP/IP in this framing is described in RFC 1294. The purpose of the group is to exchange information between users of public Frame Relay services, designers and manufacturers of customer equipment that speaks the protocol, and comparisons of this approach to other complementary technologies such as ATM, PPP over leased lines, and ISDN. The best mailing lists discussion I have seen have been on the IPLPDN (IP in Large Public Data Networks) list, but those have been rather narrowly focussed on implementation details. A broader list that included more of a system designer or user point of view should be useful. Discussion will take the month of June, and hopefully the vote will run in July with a group to be created 1 August. Please forward this as appropriate. thanks, -- Edward Vielmetti, vice president for research, Msen Inc. [email protected] Msen Inc., 628 Brooks, Ann Arbor MI 48103 +1 313 998 4562 (fax: 998 4563) From [email protected] Mon Jan 31 17:17:32 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Ed Vielmetti) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.dcom.telecom.tech,comp.dcom.isdn,comp.protocols.ppp,comp.dcom.cell-relay Subject: RFD: comp.dcom.frame-relay Followup-To: news.groups Date: 27 Jan 1994 16:45:51 -0500 Organization: Msen Lines: 36 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4526 news.groups:93210 comp.dcom.telecom.tech:1540 comp.dcom.isdn:3778 comp.protocols.ppp:3386 comp.dcom.cell-relay:2952 This is a request for discussion for a new Usenet newsgroup, comp.dcom.frame-relay. Frame Relay networks are defined by CCITT Recommendation Q.922 ("ISDN Data Link Layer Specification for Frame Mode Bearer Services"), ANSI T1.618-1991 ("ISDN - Core Aspects of Frame Protocol for Use with Frame Relay Bearer Service"), and Internet RFC 1490 ("Multiprotocol Interconnect over Frame Relay"). Frame Relay networks have been deployed by Internet service providers, inter-exchange telephone carriers, and local and regional telephone companies. The objective of the newsgroup is to provide implementors and users of frame relay with an open forum for the discussion of protocols, equipment, pricing, service, and other details of access to and building of frame relay networks. The group is to be unmoderated. Voting ------ The hope is to conduct a vote starting on or before 25 February, with votes to be collected by the Usenet Volunteer Vote-takers. This is not the time to send in votes. Current discussion and rationale -------------------------------- In the absence of an particular newsgroup for frame relay, this topic has been brought up in a variety of newsgroups peripheral to the focus of the proposed group. In particular, the newsgroups 'comp.dcom.isdn' and 'comp.dcom.cell-relay' appear to have the substantial concentration of interested and knowlegable parties. thanks -- Edward Vielmetti, vice president for research, Msen Inc. [email protected] Msen Inc., 320 Miller, Ann Arbor MI 48103 +1 313 998 4562 (fax: 998 4563) From [email protected] Wed Jul 20 20:25:50 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Allen Robel) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.dcom.cell-relay,comp.dcom.isdn,comp.dcom.lans.ethernet,comp.dcom.lans.fddi,comp.dcom.lans.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,bit.listserv.novell Subject: RFD: comp.dcom.frame-relay Followup-To: news.groups Date: 20 Jul 1994 20:20:04 -0400 Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington Lines: 73 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5351 news.groups:108940 comp.dcom.cell-relay:5041 comp.dcom.isdn:6467 comp.dcom.lans.ethernet:11628 comp.dcom.lans.fddi:2994 comp.dcom.lans.misc:3672 comp.protocols.tcp-ip:33538 bit.listserv.novell:79540 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION NEWSGROUP: comp.dcom.frame-relay UNMODERATED Crossposted to: news.groups news.announce.newgroups comp.dcom.cell-relay comp.dcom.isdn comp.dcom.lans.ethernet comp.dcom.lans.fddi comp.dcom.lans.misc comp.protocols.tcp-ip bit.listserv.novell Given that Frame Relay is beginning to emerge as a mainstream WAN service, and given that discussions of Frame Relay technology are appearing with increasing frequency on other newsgroups such as comp.dcom.cell-relay, perhaps now is the time to create a newsgroup to provide a home for this topic. Below is a draft charter, written by Tom Jones, ex-chair of the Frame Relay Forum and continuing proponent of Frame Relay services and technologies. It is intended as a starting point for discussion over the next month as to what shape a Frame Relay newsgroup might take. Comments are welcome and encouraged. As per Usenet "policy"/tradition, the following timeline will be adhered to: 7/21/94 - 8/21/94 Discussion period 8/21/94 - ~9/21/94 Voting (if it is generally agreed that this group would be a Good Thing). We will defer to the Usenet Volunteer Votetakers at Qualcomm to setup and conduct the vote. Below is the proposed charter. The Followup-To: field has been set to news.groups. Please direct all comments concerning this Request for Discussion there. DRAFT CHARTER: To provide a mechanism for the discussion of issues related to the technology and application of frame relay in communications networks. Topics expected to be discussed include (but are not limited to) the following examples: - frame relay standards and proposed standards - applications of frame relay - user experiences with frame relay - relationship and comparison of frame relay to other technologies, including asynchronous transfer mode (ATM), cell relay, SMDS, X.25 packet switching, IP routing, ISDN, Broadband ISDN, etc. - announcements of conferences, seminars, etc., related to frame relay - news of the availability of frame relay products or services - testing and interoperability of frame relay - information related to performance and implementation of frame relay - research findings - activities of The Frame Relay Forum and other similar organizations with activities related to frame relay - sources of additional information regarding frame relay This newsgroup is not intended to be a forum in which standards are developed, although it may be expected to relate news pertaining to standards and to the progress of recognized standards bodies. regards, -- Allen Robel Internet: [email protected] Network Engineer voice: (812)855-0962 Indiana University FAX: (812)855-8299 From [email protected] Fri Aug 19 20:02:44 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Allen Robel) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.dcom.cell-relay,comp.dcom.isdn,comp.dcom.lans.ethernet,comp.dcom.lans.fddi,comp.dcom.lans.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,bit.listserv.novell Subject: 2nd RFD comp.dcom.frame-relay Followup-To: news.groups Date: 19 Aug 1994 19:15:37 -0400 Organization: Indiana University Lines: 95 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5532 news.groups:113204 comp.dcom.cell-relay:5343 comp.dcom.isdn:7080 comp.dcom.lans.ethernet:12294 comp.dcom.lans.fddi:3186 comp.dcom.lans.misc:3871 comp.protocols.tcp-ip:34223 bit.listserv.novell:81718 Hi, I have received several direct correspondences indicating support for a new newsgroup catering to frame-relay. I was absent during much of the discussion period though due to a family illness, so if anyone is adamantly opposed to the creation of this newsgroup, please speak up now. Likewise, if there were suggestions for modification of the charter, please forward them again. Barring widespread opposition, I propose that we move to begin the voting period on 8/21/94 and let it run till 9/21/94. As mentioned earlier, I will defer to the good folks at Qualcomm to handle the vote. The CFV will be sent to the newsgroups listed below. A second CFV will be sent approximately halfway through the voting period (the 5th or 6th of September). 2nd REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION NEWSGROUP: comp.dcom.frame-relay UNMODERATED Crossposted to: news.groups news.announce.newgroups comp.dcom.cell-relay comp.dcom.isdn comp.dcom.lans.ethernet comp.dcom.lans.fddi comp.dcom.lans.misc comp.protocols.tcp-ip bit.listserv.novell Given that Frame Relay is beginning to emerge as a mainstream WAN service, and given that discussions of Frame Relay technology are appearing with increasing frequency on other newsgroups such as comp.dcom.cell-relay, perhaps now is the time to create a newsgroup to provide a home for this topic. Below is a draft charter, written by Tom Jones, ex-chair of the Frame Relay Forum and continuing proponent of Frame Relay services and technologies. It is intended as a starting point for discussion over the next month as to what shape a Frame Relay newsgroup might take. Comments are welcome and encouraged. As per Usenet "policy"/tradition, the following timeline will be adhered to: 7/21/94 - 8/21/94 Discussion period 8/21/94 - ~9/21/94 Voting (if it is generally agreed that this group would be a Good Thing). We will defer to the Usenet Volunteer Votetakers at Qualcomm to setup and conduct the vote. Below is the proposed charter. The Followup-To: field has been set to news.groups. Please direct all comments concerning this Request for Discussion there. DRAFT CHARTER: To provide a mechanism for the discussion of issues related to the technology and application of frame relay in communications networks. Topics expected to be discussed include (but are not limited to) the following examples: - frame relay standards and proposed standards - applications of frame relay - user experiences with frame relay - relationship and comparison of frame relay to other technologies, including asynchronous transfer mode (ATM), cell relay, SMDS, X.25 packet switching, IP routing, ISDN, Broadband ISDN, etc. - announcements of conferences, seminars, etc., related to frame relay - news of the availability of frame relay products or services - testing and interoperability of frame relay - information related to performance and implementation of frame relay - research findings - activities of The Frame Relay Forum and other similar organizations with activities related to frame relay - sources of additional information regarding frame relay This newsgroup is not intended to be a forum in which standards are developed, although it may be expected to relate news pertaining to standards and to the progress of recognized standards bodies. regards, -- Allen Robel Internet: [email protected] Network Engineer voice: (812)855-0962 Indiana University FAX: (812)855-8299 From [email protected] Thu Sep 1 11:16:05 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Dave Cornejo) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.dcom.cell-relay,comp.dcom.isdn,comp.dcom.lans.ethernet,comp.dcom.lans.fddi,comp.dcom.lans.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,bit.listserv.novell Subject: CFV: comp.dcom.frame-relay Followup-To: poster Date: 1 Sep 1994 11:09:23 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 90 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 23 Sep 1994 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5580 news.groups:114696 comp.dcom.cell-relay:5512 comp.dcom.isdn:7364 comp.dcom.lans.ethernet:12579 comp.dcom.lans.fddi:3226 comp.dcom.lans.misc:3945 comp.protocols.tcp-ip:34526 bit.listserv.novell:82523 FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group comp.dcom.frame-relay Newsgroups line: comp.dcom.frame-relay Technology and issues regarding Frame Relay Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 22 September 1994. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact Dave Cornejo <[email protected]>. For questions about the proposed group please contact Allen Robel <[email protected]> This CFV is also being sent to the cicso discussion mailing list [email protected] CHARTER To provide a mechanism for the discussion of issues related to the technology and application of frame relay in communications networks. Topics expected to be discussed include (but are not limited to) the following examples: - frame relay standards and proposed standards - applications of frame relay - user experiences with frame relay - relationship and comparison of frame relay to other technologies, including asynchronous transfer mode (ATM), cell relay, SMDS, X.25 packet switching, IP routing, ISDN, Broadband ISDN, etc. - announcements of conferences, seminars, etc., related to frame relay - news of the availability of frame relay products or services - testing and interoperability of frame relay - information related to performance and implementation of frame relay - research findings - activities of The Frame Relay Forum and other similar organizations with activities related to frame relay - sources of additional information regarding frame relay This newsgroup is not intended to be a forum in which standards are developed, although it may be expected to relate news pertaining to standards and to the progress of recognized standards bodies. This list will be gatewayed to the Frame Relay Discussion list <[email protected]>. RATIONALE: Given that Frame Relay is beginning to emerge as a mainstream WAN service, and given that discussions of Frame Relay technology are appearing with increasing frequency on other newsgroups such as comp.dcom.cell-relay, it makes sense at this time to create a newsgroup to provide a home for discussion of this technology. HOW TO VOTE Send MAIL to: [email protected] Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list. The subject in your mail message must contain the name of the group to allow your vote to be correctly handled by an automated vote-counter, if you do not do this you will receive a message asking you to resubmit your vote with the name of the group that you are voting for in the subject line. Please do not quote the entire CFV in your vote, it will confuse the automatic vote counter and will earn you a duplicate vote message. Your mail message should contain one of the following statements: I vote YES on comp.dcom.frame-relay I vote NO on comp.dcom.frame-relay You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome. Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledgement by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. Only one vote per person, no more than one vote per account. No votes will be accepted from system accounts (i.e. root, news, uucp) or anonymous accounts. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list. -- Dave Cornejo There is nothing so subtle Dogwood Media as the obvious Fremont, California From [email protected] Wed Sep 14 14:15:05 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Dave Cornejo) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.dcom.cell-relay,comp.dcom.isdn,comp.dcom.lans.ethernet,comp.dcom.lans.fddi,comp.dcom.lans.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,bit.listserv.novell Subject: 2nd CFV: comp.dcom.frame-relay Supersedes: <[email protected]> Followup-To: poster Date: 14 Sep 1994 13:39:15 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 97 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 23 Sep 1994 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5626 news.groups:115983 comp.dcom.cell-relay:5670 comp.dcom.isdn:7708 comp.dcom.lans.ethernet:12818 comp.dcom.lans.fddi:4524+ comp.dcom.lans.misc:4037 comp.protocols.tcp-ip:34835 bit.listserv.novell:83314 LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group comp.dcom.frame-relay Newsgroups line: comp.dcom.frame-relay Technology and issues regarding Frame Relay Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 22 September 1994. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact Dave Cornejo <[email protected]>. For questions about the proposed group please contact Allen Robel <[email protected]> This CFV is also being sent to the cicso discussion mailing list [email protected] CHARTER To provide a mechanism for the discussion of issues related to the technology and application of frame relay in communications networks. Topics expected to be discussed include (but are not limited to) the following examples: - frame relay standards and proposed standards - applications of frame relay - user experiences with frame relay - relationship and comparison of frame relay to other technologies, including asynchronous transfer mode (ATM), cell relay, SMDS, X.25 packet switching, IP routing, ISDN, Broadband ISDN, etc. - announcements of conferences, seminars, etc., related to frame relay - news of the availability of frame relay products or services - testing and interoperability of frame relay - information related to performance and implementation of frame relay - research findings - activities of The Frame Relay Forum and other similar organizations with activities related to frame relay - sources of additional information regarding frame relay This newsgroup is not intended to be a forum in which standards are developed, although it may be expected to relate news pertaining to standards and to the progress of recognized standards bodies. This list will be gatewayed to the Frame Relay Discussion list <[email protected]>. RATIONALE: Given that Frame Relay is beginning to emerge as a mainstream WAN service, and given that discussions of Frame Relay technology are appearing with increasing frequency on other newsgroups such as comp.dcom.cell-relay, it makes sense at this time to create a newsgroup to provide a home for discussion of this technology. HOW TO VOTE Send MAIL to: [email protected] Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list. The subject in your mail message must contain the name of the group to allow your vote to be correctly handled by an automated vote-counter, if you do not do this you will receive a message asking you to resubmit your vote with the name of the group that you are voting for in the subject line. Please do not quote the entire CFV in your vote, it will confuse the automatic vote counter and will earn you a duplicate vote message. Your mail message should contain one of the following statements: I vote YES on comp.dcom.frame-relay I vote NO on comp.dcom.frame-relay You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome. Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledgement by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. Only one vote per person, no more than one vote per account. No votes will be accepted from system accounts (i.e. root, news, uucp) or anonymous accounts. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list. BOUNCED ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS: [email protected] [email protected] boemia.pix.com.br!nelson -- Dave Cornejo There is nothing so subtle Dogwood Media as the obvious Fremont, California From [email protected] Tue Sep 27 14:16:54 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Dave Cornejo) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.dcom.cell-relay,comp.dcom.isdn,comp.dcom.lans.ethernet,comp.dcom.lans.fddi,comp.dcom.lans.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,bit.listserv.novell Subject: RESULT: comp.dcom.frame-relay passes 376:14 Supersedes: <[email protected]> Followup-To: news.groups Date: 27 Sep 1994 13:39:04 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 488 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5683 news.groups:117875 comp.dcom.cell-relay:5811 comp.dcom.isdn:8079 comp.dcom.lans.ethernet:13034 comp.dcom.lans.fddi:3329 comp.dcom.lans.misc:4089 comp.protocols.tcp-ip:35162 bit.listserv.novell:84264 RESULT unmoderated group comp.dcom.frame-relay passes 376:14 There were 376 YES votes and 14 NO votes, for a total of 390 valid votes. There was 1 abstain and 7 invalid ballots. For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes. There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter. Newsgroups line: comp.dcom.frame-relay Technology and issues regarding Frame Relay Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 22 September 1994. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact Dave Cornejo <[email protected]>. For questions about the proposed group please contact Allen Robel <[email protected]> This CFV is also being sent to the cicso discussion mailing list [email protected] CHARTER To provide a mechanism for the discussion of issues related to the technology and application of frame relay in communications networks. Topics expected to be discussed include (but are not limited to) the following examples: - frame relay standards and proposed standards - applications of frame relay - user experiences with frame relay - relationship and comparison of frame relay to other technologies, including asynchronous transfer mode (ATM), cell relay, SMDS, X.25 packet switching, IP routing, ISDN, Broadband ISDN, etc. - announcements of conferences, seminars, etc., related to frame relay - news of the availability of frame relay products or services - testing and interoperability of frame relay - information related to performance and implementation of frame relay - research findings - activities of The Frame Relay Forum and other similar organizations with activities related to frame relay - sources of additional information regarding frame relay This newsgroup is not intended to be a forum in which standards are developed, although it may be expected to relate news pertaining to standards and to the progress of recognized standards bodies. This list will be gatewayed to the Frame Relay Discussion list <[email protected]>. RATIONALE: Given that Frame Relay is beginning to emerge as a mainstream WAN service, and given that discussions of Frame Relay technology are appearing with increasing frequency on other newsgroups such as comp.dcom.cell-relay, it makes sense at this time to create a newsgroup to provide a home for discussion of this technology. comp.dcom.frame-relay Final Vote Ack Voted Yes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ /S=I.KAHN/DD.ID=I.KAHN/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/@resonet.com [email protected] Jeff Betteker [email protected] Gregory A. 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