Newsgroups Main » Newsgroups Directory » Computers – Non-OS » Programming and languages » Pascal
General ( comp.lang.pascal )
From [email protected] Tue Jan 24 14:08:36 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Scott A. Moore) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.lang.pascal,comp.std.misc Subject: RFD: comp.std.pascal Followup-To: news.groups Date: 24 Jan 1995 13:15:15 -0500 Organization: CCnet Communications Lines: 74 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:6230 news.groups:130947 comp.lang.pascal:50692 comp.std.misc:1218 Request for Discussion (RFD) Newsgroup : comp.std.pascal Status : unmoderated Distribution : Worldwide Summary : For discussion of the ISO/ANSI Pascal standard language Proponent : Scott A. Moore <[email protected]> This is a formal Request For Discussion on the creation of an unmoderated newsgroup, comp.std.pascal. This RFD has been posted in accordance with the Guidelines for Newsgroup Creation. Its language is based on previously submitted RFDs. The RFD is being cross-posted to the following relevant news groups: news.announce.newgroups news.groups comp.lang.pascal comp.std.misc CHARTER The comp.std.pascal newsgroup will be open to discussion of the Pascal language standards, the Pascal language as defined by those standards, compilers conforming to the standards, and other Pascal standards related topics. The existing stanards for the Pascal language are as follows: ISO/IEC 7185 "Programming Languages - Pascal" ANSI/IEEE 770X3.97-1983 "American National Standard Pascal Computer Programming Language" ISO/IEC 10206:1991 "Programming Languages - Extended Pascal" ANSI/IEEE 770X3.160 The newsgroup will be founded on these standards, but will be open to further standards forthcoming. RATIONALE The Pascal is an unusual (perhaps unique) language in that the officially defined standards are not the basis of the most widely used variant of the language Pascal. The only existing Pascal oriented newsgroup, comp.lang.pascal, has, by observation, come to be dominated by traffic based on the leading defacto standard, the Borland Pascal variant. Since this defacto standard is not compatible with the standard language, this leads to the need to "hunt" for traffic on the standards and the standard language among the much greater volume of Borland Pascal based traffic. I propose that both the users of the standard Pascal language and the users of Borland would be better served if the languages were separated into two groups. I further assert that because comp.lang.pascal is overwhemingly Borland Pascal based, that having the standard Pascal based users move elsewhere and leaving the majority of the comp.lang.pascal users alone would only be fair. PRECEDENT Several groups exist to discuss the standard versions of languages, including comp.lisp, comp.c, comp.c++. MAILING LISTS No known lists exist. FUTURE CALL FOR VOTES After a discussion period of 21-30 days, if there are no overwhelming objections to the proposed group, there will be a Call For Votes (CFV) posted to the same groups as this RFD. The voting period will be at least 21 days. If the group passes by receiving 100 more YES votes than NO votes, and (at least) twice as many YES votes as NO votes, it will be created. Scott A. Moore is [email protected] From [email protected] Wed Mar 8 18:39:52 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Scott A. Moore) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.lang.pascal,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc Subject: RFD: comp.lang.pascal reorganization Followup-To: news.groups Date: 8 Mar 1995 17:56:12 -0500 Organization: CCnet Communications (510-988-7140 guest) Lines: 184 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:6377 news.groups:138199 comp.lang.pascal:55088 comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc:2315 2nd Request for Discussion (RFD) I request discussion on the proposal that the group known as: comp.lang.pascal be restructured into the following groups: comp.lang.pascal.misc (replacing comp.lang.pascal) comp.lang.pascal.borland comp.lang.pascal.ansi-iso comp.lang.pascal.think comp.lang.pascal.delphi This change is felt nessary because of the existance of mutually incompatible versions of the language Pascal. This group split will give the most popular versions of the language their own newsgroups, and also create a common area for discussion of all Pascals. The group plans follow: ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroup : comp.lang.pascal.misc Status : unmoderated Distribution : Worldwide Summary : For discussion of issues pertaining to all Pascal versions Proponent : Scott A. Moore ([email protected]) Charter: This group will serve for discussions about Pascal that are language independent, conversion of one Pascal language to another, Pascal versions that do not fit into one of the other groups, and other issues. Mailing lists: No known mailing lists exist ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroup : comp.lang.pascal.borland Status : unmoderated Distribution : Worldwide Summary : For discussion of the Borland Pascal language Proponent : Scott A. Moore ([email protected]) Charter: This group will serve for discussions about the various implementations of Borland Pascal, programming and programs written in that language, and other issues. Topics that will typically be discussed here are: Status of the Borland Pascal language. Efforts to produce a manufacturer independent standard for Borland Pascal. Operating system specific applications of Borland Pascal. Machine specific applications of Borland Pascal. Mailing lists: No known mailing lists exist ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroup : comp.lang.pascal.ansi-iso Status : unmoderated Distribution : Worldwide Summary : For discussion of the ISO/ANSI Pascal standard language Proponent : Scott A. Moore ([email protected]) Charter: This group will serve for discussions of all Pascal implementations based on the ISO and ANSI Pascal standards, programs and programming in those languages, the standards themselves, and other issues. As discussed in the previous RFD round, it is not the intent to discuss only standard features/functions, but ANY application of or extention to Pascals that use the standards for a basis. I forsee these including: Further (upcoming) standards for Pascal, including the object Pascal standard. Operating system specific applications of standard Pascal. Machine specific applications of standard Pascal. Portable GUI interfaces for standard Pascal. And others. Mailing lists: No known mailing lists exist ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroup : comp.lang.pascal.think Status : unmoderated Distribution : Worldwide Summary : For discussion of the Think (macintosh) version of the Pascal language. Proponent : Scott A. Moore ([email protected]) Charter: This group will serve for discussions of the macintosh based Think Pascal, programs and programming in that language, and other issues. Some subjects are: Efforts to create a manufacturer indepenent standard for Think Pascal. Operating system specific issues with Think Pascal (esp. the Macintosh OS). Machine specific issues with Think Pascal (esp. The macintosh). And others. Mailing lists: No known mailing lists exist -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroup : comp.lang.pascal.delphi Status : unmoderated Distribution : Worldwide Summary : For discussion of the Borland Delphi language the Pascal language. Proponent : Scott A. Moore ([email protected]) Charter: This group will serve to discuss the new Pascal variant called Delphi, including programming, programs, operation and other issues. Envisioned are the topics: Operation of the Delphi toolset Coding in Delphi Relationship of Delphi to Pascal And others. There has been some discussion on whether Delphi properly belongs under the pascal tree. However, Borland itself claims that the delphi language is Pascal based. Since it is considered to be incompatible with previous editions of Borland Pascal, I also do not consider it a candidate for inclusion under the comp.lang.pascal.borland tree. Mailing lists: A mailing list has been announced for delphi. It's status is unknown at this time. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is a formal Request For Discussion on the creation of the above described newsgroups, and the phase out of the group comp.lang.pascal. This RFD has been posted in accordance with the Guidelines for Newsgroup Creation. Its language is based on previously submitted RFDs. The RFD is being cross-posted to the following relevant news groups: news.announce.newgroups news.groups comp.lang.pascal FUTURE CALL FOR VOTES After a discussion period of 21-30 days, if there are no overwhelming objections to the proposed group, there will be a Call For Votes (CFV) posted to the same groups as this RFD. The voting period will be at least 21 days. If the group passes by receiving 100 more YES votes than NO votes, and (at least) twice as many YES votes as NO votes, then ALL the named groups will be created, and the original group eliminated. Scott A. Moore is [email protected] From [email protected] Wed Mar 29 19:02:36 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Scott A. Moore) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.lang.pascal Subject: 3rd RFD: comp.lang.pascal reorganization Followup-To: news.groups Date: 29 Mar 1995 18:24:38 -0500 Organization: CCnet Communications Lines: 191 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:6531 news.groups:142146 comp.lang.pascal:59157 3rd Request for Discussion (RFD) CHANGES FROM PREVIOUS RFD: comp.lang.pascal.think has been changed to comp.lang.pascal.mac to include all Pascal variants on the Macintosh. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I request discussion on the proposal that the group known as: comp.lang.pascal be restructured into the following groups: comp.lang.pascal.ansi-iso comp.lang.pascal.borland comp.lang.pascal.delphi comp.lang.pascal.mac comp.lang.pascal.misc (replacing comp.lang.pascal) This change is felt nessary because of the existance of mutually incompatible versions of the language Pascal. This group split will give the most popular versions of the language their own newsgroups, and also create a common area for discussion of all Pascals. The group plans follow: ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroup : comp.lang.pascal.misc Status : unmoderated Distribution : Worldwide Summary : For discussion of issues pertaining to all Pascal versions Proponent : Scott A. Moore ([email protected]) Charter: This group will serve for discussions about Pascal that are language independent, conversion of one Pascal language to another, Pascal versions that do not fit into one of the other groups, and other issues. Mailing lists: No known mailing lists exist ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroup : comp.lang.pascal.borland Status : unmoderated Distribution : Worldwide Summary : For discussion of the Borland Pascal language Proponent : Scott A. Moore ([email protected]) Charter: This group will serve for discussions about the various implementations of Borland Pascal, programming and programs written in that language, and other issues. Topics that will typically be discussed here are: Status of the Borland Pascal language. Efforts to produce a manufacturer independent standard for Borland Pascal. Operating system specific applications of Borland Pascal. Machine specific applications of Borland Pascal. Mailing lists: No known mailing lists exist ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroup : comp.lang.pascal.ansi-iso Status : unmoderated Distribution : Worldwide Summary : For discussion of the ISO/ANSI Pascal standard language Proponent : Scott A. Moore ([email protected]) Charter: This group will serve for discussions of all Pascal implementations based on the ISO and ANSI Pascal standards, programs and programming in those languages, the standards themselves, and other issues. As discussed in the previous RFD round, it is not the intent to discuss only standard features/functions, but ANY application of or extention to Pascals that use the standards for a basis. I forsee these including: Further (upcoming) standards for Pascal, including the object Pascal standard. Operating system specific applications of standard Pascal. Machine specific applications of standard Pascal. Portable GUI interfaces for standard Pascal. And others. Mailing lists: No known mailing lists exist ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroup : comp.lang.pascal.mac Status : unmoderated Distribution : Worldwide Summary : For discussion of the Macintosh versions of the Pascal language. Proponent : Scott A. Moore ([email protected]) Charter: This group will serve for discussions of Macintosh based Pascals, programs and programming in those languages, and other issues. Some subjects are: Efforts to create a manufacturer indepenent standard for Macintosh Pascal. Operating system specific issues with Macintosh Pascals (esp. the Macintosh OS). Machine specific issues with Macintosh Pascals (esp. The macintosh). And others. Mailing lists: No known mailing lists exist -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroup : comp.lang.pascal.delphi Status : unmoderated Distribution : Worldwide Summary : For discussion of the Borland Delphi language the Pascal language. Proponent : Scott A. Moore ([email protected]) Charter: This group will serve to discuss the new Pascal variant called Delphi, including programming, programs, operation and other issues. Envisioned are the topics: Operation of the Delphi toolset Coding in Delphi Relationship of Delphi to Pascal And others. There has been some discussion on whether Delphi properly belongs under the pascal tree. However, Borland itself claims that the delphi language is Pascal based. Since it is considered to be incompatible with previous editions of Borland Pascal, I also do not consider it a candidate for inclusion under the comp.lang.pascal.borland tree. Mailing lists: A mailing list has been announced for delphi. It's status is unknown at this time. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is a formal Request For Discussion on the creation of the above described newsgroups, and the phase out of the group comp.lang.pascal. This RFD has been posted in accordance with the Guidelines for Newsgroup Creation. Its language is based on previously submitted RFDs. The RFD is being cross-posted to the following relevant news groups: news.announce.newgroups news.groups comp.lang.pascal FUTURE CALL FOR VOTES After a discussion period of 21-30 days, if there are no overwhelming objections to the proposed group, there will be a Call For Votes (CFV) posted to the same groups as this RFD. The voting period will be at least 21 days. If the group passes by receiving 100 more YES votes than NO votes, and (at least) twice as many YES votes as NO votes, then ALL the named groups will be created, and the original group eliminated. Scott A. Moore is [email protected] From [email protected] Thu Mar 30 18:58:25 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Scott A. Moore) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.lang.pascal Subject: 3rd RFD: comp.lang.pascal reorganization Followup-To: news.groups Date: 29 Mar 1995 18:24:38 -0500 Organization: CCnet Communications Lines: 191 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:6531 news.groups:142146 comp.lang.pascal:59157 3rd Request for Discussion (RFD) CHANGES FROM PREVIOUS RFD: comp.lang.pascal.think has been changed to comp.lang.pascal.mac to include all Pascal variants on the Macintosh. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I request discussion on the proposal that the group known as: comp.lang.pascal be restructured into the following groups: comp.lang.pascal.ansi-iso comp.lang.pascal.borland comp.lang.pascal.delphi comp.lang.pascal.mac comp.lang.pascal.misc (replacing comp.lang.pascal) This change is felt nessary because of the existance of mutually incompatible versions of the language Pascal. This group split will give the most popular versions of the language their own newsgroups, and also create a common area for discussion of all Pascals. The group plans follow: ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroup : comp.lang.pascal.misc Status : unmoderated Distribution : Worldwide Summary : For discussion of issues pertaining to all Pascal versions Proponent : Scott A. Moore ([email protected]) Charter: This group will serve for discussions about Pascal that are language independent, conversion of one Pascal language to another, Pascal versions that do not fit into one of the other groups, and other issues. Mailing lists: No known mailing lists exist ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroup : comp.lang.pascal.borland Status : unmoderated Distribution : Worldwide Summary : For discussion of the Borland Pascal language Proponent : Scott A. Moore ([email protected]) Charter: This group will serve for discussions about the various implementations of Borland Pascal, programming and programs written in that language, and other issues. Topics that will typically be discussed here are: Status of the Borland Pascal language. Efforts to produce a manufacturer independent standard for Borland Pascal. Operating system specific applications of Borland Pascal. Machine specific applications of Borland Pascal. Mailing lists: No known mailing lists exist ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroup : comp.lang.pascal.ansi-iso Status : unmoderated Distribution : Worldwide Summary : For discussion of the ISO/ANSI Pascal standard language Proponent : Scott A. Moore ([email protected]) Charter: This group will serve for discussions of all Pascal implementations based on the ISO and ANSI Pascal standards, programs and programming in those languages, the standards themselves, and other issues. As discussed in the previous RFD round, it is not the intent to discuss only standard features/functions, but ANY application of or extention to Pascals that use the standards for a basis. I forsee these including: Further (upcoming) standards for Pascal, including the object Pascal standard. Operating system specific applications of standard Pascal. Machine specific applications of standard Pascal. Portable GUI interfaces for standard Pascal. And others. Mailing lists: No known mailing lists exist ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroup : comp.lang.pascal.mac Status : unmoderated Distribution : Worldwide Summary : For discussion of the Macintosh versions of the Pascal language. Proponent : Scott A. Moore ([email protected]) Charter: This group will serve for discussions of Macintosh based Pascals, programs and programming in those languages, and other issues. Some subjects are: Efforts to create a manufacturer indepenent standard for Macintosh Pascal. Operating system specific issues with Macintosh Pascals (esp. the Macintosh OS). Machine specific issues with Macintosh Pascals (esp. The macintosh). And others. Mailing lists: No known mailing lists exist -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroup : comp.lang.pascal.delphi Status : unmoderated Distribution : Worldwide Summary : For discussion of the Borland Delphi language the Pascal language. Proponent : Scott A. Moore ([email protected]) Charter: This group will serve to discuss the new Pascal variant called Delphi, including programming, programs, operation and other issues. Envisioned are the topics: Operation of the Delphi toolset Coding in Delphi Relationship of Delphi to Pascal And others. There has been some discussion on whether Delphi properly belongs under the pascal tree. However, Borland itself claims that the delphi language is Pascal based. Since it is considered to be incompatible with previous editions of Borland Pascal, I also do not consider it a candidate for inclusion under the comp.lang.pascal.borland tree. Mailing lists: A mailing list has been announced for delphi. It's status is unknown at this time. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is a formal Request For Discussion on the creation of the above described newsgroups, and the phase out of the group comp.lang.pascal. This RFD has been posted in accordance with the Guidelines for Newsgroup Creation. Its language is based on previously submitted RFDs. The RFD is being cross-posted to the following relevant news groups: news.announce.newgroups news.groups comp.lang.pascal FUTURE CALL FOR VOTES After a discussion period of 21-30 days, if there are no overwhelming objections to the proposed group, there will be a Call For Votes (CFV) posted to the same groups as this RFD. The voting period will be at least 21 days. If the group passes by receiving 100 more YES votes than NO votes, and (at least) twice as many YES votes as NO votes, then ALL the named groups will be created, and the original group eliminated. Scott A. Moore is [email protected] From [email protected] Mon May 1 18:20:22 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Scott A. Moore) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.lang.pascal Subject: 4th RFD: comp.lang.pascal reorganization Followup-To: news.groups Date: 1 May 1995 16:11:59 -0400 Organization: CCnet Communications Lines: 163 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:6718 news.groups:147046 comp.lang.pascal:64938 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) unmoderated group comp.lang.pascal.ansi-iso unmoderated group comp.lang.pascal.borland unmoderated group comp.lang.pascal.mac unmoderated group comp.lang.pascal.misc replaces comp.lang.pascal Proponents note: This 4th RFD is identical to the 3rd except for the removal of the group for Delphi. During extensive discussions, we have decided to field that as a separate RFD, for what is likely to be a separate group (not in the comp.lang.pascal.* tree). Please look for that RFD in reference to the Delphi group issue. If it happens that this proposal passes before the Delphi group does, we would welcome Delphi participation in the new comp.lang.pascal.misc group as an interim group for the final Delphi group. ======================================================================= This change is felt nessary because of the existance of mutually incompatible versions of the language Pascal. This group split will give the most popular versions of the language their own newsgroups, and also create a common area for discussion of all Pascals. The group plans follow: ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroup : comp.lang.pascal.misc Status : unmoderated Distribution : Worldwide Summary : For discussion of issues pertaining to all Pascal versions Proponent : Scott A. Moore ([email protected]) Charter: This group will serve for discussions about Pascal that are language independent, conversion of one Pascal language to another, Pascal versions that do not fit into one of the other groups, and other issues. Mailing lists: No known mailing lists exist ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroup : comp.lang.pascal.borland Status : unmoderated Distribution : Worldwide Summary : For discussion of the Borland Pascal language Proponent : Scott A. Moore ([email protected]) Charter: This group will serve for discussions about the various implementations of Borland Pascal, programming and programs written in that language, and other issues. Topics that will typically be discussed here are: Status of the Borland Pascal language. Efforts to produce a manufacturer independent standard for Borland Pascal. Operating system specific applications of Borland Pascal. Machine specific applications of Borland Pascal. Mailing lists: No known mailing lists exist ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroup : comp.lang.pascal.ansi-iso Status : unmoderated Distribution : Worldwide Summary : For discussion of the ISO/ANSI Pascal standard language Proponent : Scott A. Moore ([email protected]) Charter: This group will serve for discussions of all Pascal implementations based on the ISO and ANSI Pascal standards, programs and programming in those languages, the standards themselves, and other issues. As discussed in the previous RFD round, it is not the intent to discuss only standard features/functions, but ANY application of or extention to Pascals that use the standards for a basis. I forsee these including: Further (upcoming) standards for Pascal, including the object Pascal standard. Operating system specific applications of standard Pascal. Machine specific applications of standard Pascal. Portable GUI interfaces for standard Pascal. And others. Mailing lists: No known mailing lists exist ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroup : comp.lang.pascal.mac Status : unmoderated Distribution : Worldwide Summary : For discussion of the Macintosh versions of the Pascal language. Proponent : Scott A. Moore ([email protected]) Charter: This group will serve for discussions of the macintosh based Think Pascal, Apple Pascal, Codewarrior Pascal and other Macintosh Pascals, programs and programming in that language, and other issues. Some subjects are: Efforts to create a manufacturer indepenent standard for Macintosh Pascal. Operating system specific issues with Macintosh Pascals (esp. the Macintosh OS). Machine specific issues with Macintosh Pascals (esp. The macintosh). And others. Mailing lists: No known mailing lists exist ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is a formal Request For Discussion on the creation of the above described newsgroups, and the phase out of the group comp.lang.pascal. This RFD has been posted in accordance with the Guidelines for Newsgroup Creation. Its language is based on previously submitted RFDs. The RFD is being cross-posted to the following relevant news groups: news.announce.newgroups news.groups comp.lang.pascal FUTURE CALL FOR VOTES After a discussion period of 21-30 days, if there are no overwhelming objections to the proposed group, there will be a Call For Votes (CFV) posted to the same groups as this RFD. The voting period will be at least 21 days. If the group passes by receiving 100 more YES votes than NO votes, and (at least) twice as many YES votes as NO votes, then ALL the named groups will be created, and the original group eliminated. ========================================================================== Proponent's note: This RFD is eligible one week (5 days) after being posted, due to it's status as a modification to an original RFD. ========================================================================== Scott A. Moore is [email protected] From [email protected] Mon May 15 18:18:43 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Warren Lavallee) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.lang.pascal Subject: CFV: comp.lang.pascal reorganization Followup-To: poster Date: 15 May 1995 13:22:16 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 130 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 6 Jun 1995 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:6835 news.groups:149549 comp.lang.pascal:67337 FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group comp.lang.pascal.ansi-iso unmoderated group comp.lang.pascal.borland unmoderated group comp.lang.pascal.mac unmoderated group comp.lang.pascal.misc (replaces comp.lang.pascal) Newsgroups line: comp.lang.pascal.misc Pascal in general and ungrouped Pascals. comp.lang.pascal.borland Borland's Pascal. comp.lang.pascal.mac Macintosh based Pascals. comp.lang.pascal.ansi-iso Pascal according to ANSI and ISO standards. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 5 June 1995. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact Warren Lavallee <[email protected]>. For questions about the proposed group contact Scott A. Moore <[email protected]>. DISTRIBUTION This CFV has been cross posted to comp.lang.pascal. CHARTER comp.lang.pascal.misc This group will serve for discussions about Pascal that are language independent, conversion of one Pascal language to another, Pascal versions that do not fit into one of the other groups, and other issues. comp.lang.pascal.borland This group will serve for discussions about the various implementations of Borland Pascal, programming and programs written in that language, and other issues. Topics that will typically be discussed here are: Status of the Borland Pascal language. Efforts to produce a manufacturer independent standard for Borland Pascal. Operating system specific applications of Borland Pascal. Machine specific applications of Borland Pascal. comp.lang.pascal.ansi-iso This group will serve for discussions of all Pascal implementations based on the ISO and ANSI Pascal standards, programs and programming in those languages, the standards themselves, and other issues. As discussed in the previous RFD round, it is not the intent to discuss only standard features/functions, but ANY application of or extention to Pascals that use the standards for a basis. I forsee these including: Further (upcoming) standards for Pascal, including the object Pascal standard. Operating system specific applications of standard Pascal. Machine specific applications of standard Pascal. Portable GUI interfaces for standard Pascal. And others. comp.lang.pascal.mac This group will serve for discussions of the macintosh based Think Pascal, Apple Pascal, Codewarrior Pascal and other Macintosh Pascals, programs and programming in that language, and other issues. Some subjects are: Efforts to create a manufacturer indepenent standard for Macintosh Pascal. Operating system specific issues with Macintosh Pascals (esp. the Macintosh OS). Machine specific issues with Macintosh Pascals (esp. The macintosh). HOW TO VOTE Erase everything above the top "-=-=-=-" line and erase everything below the bottom "-=-=-=-" line. Do not erase anything between these lines and do not change the group name. Basically, remove everything except the ballot - we have to save them all on disk. Give your name on the line that asks for it. Place a YES or NO in the brackets next to the group name to vote for or against it. Don't worry about spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply inserts. Send MAIL to: [email protected] Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list. -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- comp.lang.pascal Ballot(Don't remove this marker) Give your real name here: If you do not give a real name your vote may be rejected. [Your Vote] Group ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [ ] comp.lang.pascal.misc (replaces comp.lang.pascal) [ ] comp.lang.pascal.borland [ ] comp.lang.pascal.mac [ ] comp.lang.pascal.ansi-iso -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Neither ABSTAIN nor CANCEL messages are counted as votes; they serve only to cancel any previous vote. Abstentions are noted in the final vote list, whereas CANCEL removes your vote from that list entirely. (This is the only difference between the two.) Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge- ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. If you later change your mind you may vote again; only your last valid vote will count. Standard Guidelines for voting apply: no more than one vote per person, no more than one vote per account. If you attempt multiple votes or other vote fraud, all your votes may be canceled and your name published. The complete vote list will be posted with the vote result, including how each person voted. Note that Usenet votes are not done by secret ballot. There will then be a five-day period during which the published vote list may be corrected and any irregularities addressed. The requirements for group creation are 100 more YES votes than NO votes, and 2/3 of all counted votes being YES. From [email protected] Tue May 16 19:37:00 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Duncan Murdoch) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.lang.pascal,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.controls,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools,comp.databases.paradox,comp.databases.xbase.misc Subject: 2nd RFD: comp.lang.pascal.delphi.{components,databases,misc} Followup-To: news.groups Date: 16 May 1995 15:06:39 -0400 Organization: queensu.ca Lines: 163 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: comp.lang.pascal.delphi Old-Archive-Name: comp.soft-sys.app-builder.delphi Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:6849 news.groups:149772 comp.lang.pascal:67550 comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.controls:7139 comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools:23127 comp.databases.paradox:20485 comp.databases.xbase.misc:4180 2ND REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) unmoderated group comp.lang.pascal.delphi.databases unmoderated group comp.lang.pascal.delphi.components unmoderated group comp.lang.pascal.delphi.misc This is a 2nd formal Request For Discussion (RFD) about the creation of several newsgroups relating to Borland's Delphi rapid application development system. The first RFD used the names comp.soft-sys.app-builder.delphi.*; this proposal changes the base of the newsgroup names to comp.lang.pascal.delphi. This RFD has been posted in accordance with the Guidelines for Newsgroup Creation. This RFD will be cross-posted to the following relevant newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, comp.lang.pascal, comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.controls, comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools, comp.databases.paradox, comp.databases.xbase.misc Discussion of this proposal should take place in news.groups. RATIONALE 1. Placement of hierarchy During the comp.lang.pascal reorganization and the Delphi discussion there has been extensive discussion of the appropriate place for Delphi in the Usenet hierarchy. There were 4 main proposals for the placement: Comp.lang.delphi This group was initially the most popular. However, the programming language underlying Delphi is called Object Pascal rather than Delphi, and it is not different enough from Pascal to warrant creation of a separate comp.lang newsgroup. Comp.lang.pascal.delphi This group was initially second most popular, and later became the most popular choice. If Delphi is placed in the comp.lang hierarchy, it seems the most natural place. However, - it downplays the database aspects of Delphi - it moves Delphi away from the related packages PowerBuilder and Uniface. Comp.soft-sys.delphi Much of Delphi is not really a "language" at all; the VCL library with its database support and the visual design environment are valuable parts of the package, suggesting that comp.soft-sys is an appropriate place. This proposal received very little support. Comp.soft-sys.app-builder.delphi The comp.soft-sys hierarchy contains a number of unrelated software packages, and there has been a recent effort to organize these into subgroups by topic (e.g. c.s.math.mathematica, c.s.multimedia.cu-seeme.*, and the c.s.app-builder.uniface proposal). Within comp.soft-sys, Delphi is most closely related to Uniface, another application development product, and would belong as a sibling of it in the app-builder subgroup. This name was proposed in the 1st RFD, and received some support, though not nearly as much as c.l.p.d. On the negative side, it was pointed out that: - it may cause confusion with the Novell Visual AppBuilder product (which performs a function similar to Delphi) - it downplays the Pascal language aspect of Delphi, and may lead to numerous incorrect posts to the c.l.p groups - it violates the precedent of placement in the comp.lang hierarchy set by Visual Basic, the closest existing package to Delphi In my judgment, the two names c.l.p.d and c.s.a.d are clearly better than the other choices. Neither is perfect, but I would judge their flaws to be roughly equal. However, c.l.p.d has been much more popular than c.s.a.d in the Delphi discussion, and so I have changed the proposal. 2. Choice of subgroups There is no change to the subgroups from the original proposal: The current volume of postings in comp.lang.pascal suggests that about 3 newsgroups would have a reasonable amount of traffic. The choice of "databases", "components" and "misc" represents my judgment of a clear delineation of topics. The databases and misc subgroups will likely have similar high traffic rates. The components group will probably be more technical and lower volume. In the future, new subgroups separating local database issues from client-server issues, and separating language from VCL from IDE usage issues might be appropriate, if traffic warrants. A moderated group for new product announcements may also prove to be desirable. CHARTERS (AND CONTEXT) Delphi is Borland's recently released rapid application development system for MS Windows. It consists of a compiler for a version of Object Pascal descended from Borland's Pascal compilers, a user-interface and database access library called VCL, and a development environment allowing for components to be dropped from a palette into an application. Components may also be written in Delphi and installed into the environment. Since the release of Delphi, most Usenet discussion of it has taken place in comp.lang.pascal, raising the volume of postings there from 70/day to 200/day. ************************************************************************ * Group 1: comp.lang.pascal.delphi.databases This group would be for discussions related to using the database aspects of Delphi. Discussions of Database Desktop and Reportsmith would belong here, as would discussions of the database aspects of VCL, client-server issues, and most other things relating to databases. ************************************************************************ * Group 2: comp.lang.pascal.delphi.components This group would be for discussion specific to writing components in Delphi. Discussions of details of VCL pertinent to creating new components, how to write VBXs, and other issues of component design would be on topic here. Discussions about creating database components would probably be more appropriate here than in the c.s.a.d.databases group. Discussions about how to use components would belong in c.s.a.d.misc. ************************************************************************ * Group 3: comp.lang.pascal.delphi.misc This would be the catch-all discussion group not dealing with the specific technical issues covered in the other groups. The name "misc" was chosen to be in line with current newsgroup name conventions. Discussions of how to use the IDE and help system, how to install components including VBXs, how to use VCL and Object Pascal (except database specific issues), how to port code from other languages to Delphi, how to create DLLs, bugs and workarounds in VCL, announcements of new products, general help in getting started, where to find ftp and www sites regarding Delphi, etc. would all be on topic here. WHAT'S NEXT Seven days after this RFD is posted, if there are not overwhelming objections to any of the proposed groups, there will be a Call For Votes (CFV) posted to the groups as this RFD has been. The voting period will be 22 days. Each group that passes, by receiving 100 more YES votes than NO votes *and* twice as many YES votes as NO votes, will be created. From [email protected] Mon May 29 22:35:11 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Warren Lavallee) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.lang.pascal Subject: 2nd CFV: comp.lang.pascal reorganization Supersedes: <[email protected]> Followup-To: poster Date: 28 May 1995 19:16:06 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 130 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 6 Jun 1995 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:6917 news.groups:151538 comp.lang.pascal:69351 LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group comp.lang.pascal.ansi-iso unmoderated group comp.lang.pascal.borland unmoderated group comp.lang.pascal.mac unmoderated group comp.lang.pascal.misc (replaces comp.lang.pascal) Newsgroups line: comp.lang.pascal.misc Pascal in general and ungrouped Pascals. comp.lang.pascal.borland Borland's Pascal. comp.lang.pascal.mac Macintosh based Pascals. comp.lang.pascal.ansi-iso Pascal according to ANSI and ISO standards. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 5 June 1995. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact Warren Lavallee <[email protected]>. For questions about the proposed group contact Scott A. Moore <[email protected]>. DISTRIBUTION This CFV has been cross posted to comp.lang.pascal. CHARTER comp.lang.pascal.misc This group will serve for discussions about Pascal that are language independent, conversion of one Pascal language to another, Pascal versions that do not fit into one of the other groups, and other issues. comp.lang.pascal.borland This group will serve for discussions about the various implementations of Borland Pascal, programming and programs written in that language, and other issues. Topics that will typically be discussed here are: Status of the Borland Pascal language. Efforts to produce a manufacturer independent standard for Borland Pascal. Operating system specific applications of Borland Pascal. Machine specific applications of Borland Pascal. comp.lang.pascal.ansi-iso This group will serve for discussions of all Pascal implementations based on the ISO and ANSI Pascal standards, programs and programming in those languages, the standards themselves, and other issues. As discussed in the previous RFD round, it is not the intent to discuss only standard features/functions, but ANY application of or extention to Pascals that use the standards for a basis. I forsee these including: Further (upcoming) standards for Pascal, including the object Pascal standard. Operating system specific applications of standard Pascal. Machine specific applications of standard Pascal. Portable GUI interfaces for standard Pascal. And others. comp.lang.pascal.mac This group will serve for discussions of the macintosh based Think Pascal, Apple Pascal, Codewarrior Pascal and other Macintosh Pascals, programs and programming in that language, and other issues. Some subjects are: Efforts to create a manufacturer indepenent standard for Macintosh Pascal. Operating system specific issues with Macintosh Pascals (esp. the Macintosh OS). Machine specific issues with Macintosh Pascals (esp. The macintosh). HOW TO VOTE Erase everything above the top "-=-=-=-" line and erase everything below the bottom "-=-=-=-" line. Do not erase anything between these lines and do not change the group name. Basically, remove everything except the ballot - we have to save them all on disk. Give your name on the line that asks for it. Place a YES or NO in the brackets next to the group name to vote for or against it. Don't worry about spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply inserts. Send MAIL to: [email protected] Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list. -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- comp.lang.pascal Ballot (Don't remove this marker) Give your real name here: If you do not give a real name your vote may be rejected. [Your Vote] Group ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [ ] comp.lang.pascal.misc (replaces comp.lang.pascal) [ ] comp.lang.pascal.borland [ ] comp.lang.pascal.mac [ ] comp.lang.pascal.ansi-iso -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Neither ABSTAIN nor CANCEL messages are counted as votes; they serve only to cancel any previous vote. Abstentions are noted in the final vote list, whereas CANCEL removes your vote from that list entirely. (This is the only difference between the two.) Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge- ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. If you later change your mind you may vote again; only your last valid vote will count. Standard Guidelines for voting apply: no more than one vote per person, no more than one vote per account. If you attempt multiple votes or other vote fraud, all your votes may be canceled and your name published. The complete vote list will be posted with the vote result, including how each person voted. Note that Usenet votes are not done by secret ballot. There will then be a five-day period during which the published vote list may be corrected and any irregularities addressed. The requirements for group creation are 100 more YES votes than NO votes, and 2/3 of all counted votes being YES. From [email protected] Tue Jun 6 18:46:55 1995 Status: RO Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Warren Lavallee) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.lang.pascal Subject: RESULT: comp.lang.pascal reorganization all groups pass Supersedes: <[email protected]> Followup-To: news.groups Date: 6 Jun 1995 16:52:10 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 554 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:6997 news.groups:152593 comp.lang.pascal:70687 RESULT comp.lang.pascal results - 441 valid votes Yes No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group ---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : ------------------------------------------- 368 47 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.lang.pascal.misc (replaces comp.lang.pascal) 356 46 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.lang.pascal.borland 370 42 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.lang.pascal.mac 329 63 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.lang.pascal.ansi-iso 3 invalid votes comp.lang.pascal.misc (replaces comp.lang.pascal) passed on Wed May 17 14:39:06 1995 comp.lang.pascal.borland passed on Wed May 17 14:21:50 1995 comp.lang.pascal.mac passed on Wed May 17 12:00:51 1995 comp.lang.pascal.ansi-iso passed on Thu May 18 05:02:25 1995 For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes. There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter. Newsgroups line: comp.lang.pascal.misc Pascal in general and ungrouped Pascals. comp.lang.pascal.borland Borland's Pascal. comp.lang.pascal.mac Macintosh based Pascals. comp.lang.pascal.ansi-iso Pascal according to ANSI and ISO standards. This vote was being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact Warren Lavallee <[email protected]>. For questions about the proposed group contact Scott A. Moore <[email protected]>. CHARTER comp.lang.pascal.misc This group will serve for discussions about Pascal that are language independent, conversion of one Pascal language to another, Pascal versions that do not fit into one of the other groups, and other issues. comp.lang.pascal.borland This group will serve for discussions about the various implementations of Borland Pascal, programming and programs written in that language, and other issues. Topics that will typically be discussed here are: Status of the Borland Pascal language. Efforts to produce a manufacturer independent standard for Borland Pascal. Operating system specific applications of Borland Pascal. Machine specific applications of Borland Pascal. comp.lang.pascal.ansi-iso This group will serve for discussions of all Pascal implementations based on the ISO and ANSI Pascal standards, programs and programming in those languages, the standards themselves, and other issues. As discussed in the previous RFD round, it is not the intent to discuss only standard features/functions, but ANY application of or extention to Pascals that use the standards for a basis. I forsee these including: Further (upcoming) standards for Pascal, including the object Pascal standard. Operating system specific applications of standard Pascal. Machine specific applications of standard Pascal. Portable GUI interfaces for standard Pascal. And others. comp.lang.pascal.mac This group will serve for discussions of the macintosh based Think Pascal, Apple Pascal, Codewarrior Pascal and other Macintosh Pascals, programs and programming in that language, and other issues. Some subjects are: Efforts to create a manufacturer indepenent standard for Macintosh Pascal. Operating system specific issues with Macintosh Pascals (esp. the Macintosh OS). Machine specific issues with Macintosh Pascals (esp. The macintosh). [This collection of addresses is (C)1995 by Consultix Computer Services. Permission is strictly NOT given to use this list or any part thereof to make a mailing list, or for mass-mailings. Any other use is fine.] comp.lang.pascal Final Vote Ack comp.lang.pascal.ansi-iso ------+ comp.lang.pascal.mac -----+| comp.lang.pascal.borland ----+|| comp.lang.pascal.misc (replaces comp.lang.pascal) ---+||| |||| [email protected] Jason Stone YYYY [email protected] Alberto Gonzalez YYYY [email protected] Eric Richter YYYY [email protected] Alexander Avilov YYYY [email protected] Michael Dales YYYY [email protected] Andreas Pfaller YYYY [email protected] Alex T. Vermeulen YYNY [email protected] Aaron R. Priven Y--- [email protected] Marcel Achim YYYY [email protected] Al Fargnoli N--- [email protected] Susan Lesch YYYY [email protected] Angus M. Fraser YYYY [email protected] Lester Kovac YYYY [email protected] Aidan Hollinshead YYYY [email protected] Andre-John Mas YYYY [email protected] Alan Wood YYYY [email protected] Allan Proudfoot YYYY [email protected] Alexander Dyas YYYY [email protected] Alexis DROGOUL YYYY [email protected] Alf Christophersen YYYY [email protected] Allan Kelly YYYY [email protected] Ammon Skidmore YNYY [email protected] Andres Lessing YYYY [email protected] Ananda M. Kar YYYY [email protected] Anders Sundin Y-Y- [email protected] Anders Ekeland YY-- [email protected] Anthony Williams YYYY [email protected] Brian Arnold YYYY [email protected] Arthur Marsh YYYY [email protected] Jim Ault YYYY [email protected] Avi Rappoport YYYY [email protected] Denis Boucher YYYY [email protected] William G. Royds YY-Y [email protected] Brian Badger NYNN [email protected] Bengt Larsson YY-Y [email protected] Glenn Berntson YYYN [email protected] Benjamin White YYYY [email protected] Bill Catambay YYYY [email protected] Bill Tschumy YYYY [email protected] binder christof YYYY [email protected] B.J. Herbison YYYY [email protected] Brad Kilmer YY-- [email protected] Jerry N--- BLEWIS%[email protected] Bradley A. Lewis YYYY [email protected] Bruce Lum -Y-- [email protected] Magnus Bodin YYYY [email protected] Bob Swart (aka Dr.Bob) NYNN [email protected] Ranko Bojanic YNYN [email protected] Mike Leahy YYYN [email protected] Bob Peck YYYY [email protected] Brian Grainger YYYY [email protected] Brian Key YYYY [email protected] Bruce Pihlamae YYYY [email protected] Bruce Edmundson YYYY [email protected] Bob Schor NYYY [email protected] Blake Stone YYYY [email protected] Brad Stowers YYYY [email protected] Bob Williams YYYY [email protected] Richard Gadsden Y--- [email protected] Scott Howard NNNN [email protected] Cyril DUMOULIN YYYY [email protected] Carl Efird NYYY [email protected] Christopher John Fynn YYYY [email protected] Mel Chandler YYYY Chang#m#[email protected] Esther Chang Chwee Hong --Y- [email protected] Remo Williams YYYN [email protected] Hans Schou NYYY [email protected] Christopher Eltschka YYYY [email protected] M. Brooks Clark YYYY [email protected] Manuel G. Claros --Y- [email protected] Chris Burke YYYN [email protected] Thomas Cloutier NNYY [email protected] Chris Stamper -YYY [email protected] Chris Mayer YYYN [email protected] Chris McCauley YYYY [email protected] Michele Coleman YYYY [email protected] James Roberts-Thomson YYYY [email protected] Thierry Faucounau YNYY [email protected] Christopher Pearson YYNN creagan#m#[email protected] John Creagan YYYY [email protected] K. Crouch ---- [email protected] Donald A Croyle YYYY [email protected] Christoph Sold Y-YY [email protected] Michiel Wijers NNNN [email protected] Christopher Swan YYYY [email protected] Christopher Ward NNNN [email protected] Curtis White YYYY [email protected] Dave Blakeman YYYY [email protected] your name here> NNYY [email protected] David Harrison YYYN [email protected] David Sisson YNNY [email protected] David B. Zwiefelhofer> YYYY [email protected] David A. Jay YYYY [email protected] Britt Bolen --Y- [email protected] D.C.Trucker YYYY [email protected] Daniel Devolder YYYY [email protected] David Kilzer YYYY [email protected] Richard S. MacDonald YYYY [email protected] Duncan Margetts YYYY [email protected] Duncan Murdoch YYY- [email protected] Dave O'Brien YYYY [email protected] DOUG LURIE YYYY [email protected] David P. Leemon YYY- [email protected] Dennis Robert Cohen YYYY [email protected] Scott Bennett ([email protected]) YYYY [email protected] Dave Scheets YYYY [email protected] Ebbe Jonsson YYYY [email protected] Paul Eggert YYYN [email protected] Elizabeth I Foggie YYYY [email protected] muni savyon . YY-- [email protected] Ellery Taylor YY-Y [email protected] Ethan Brodsky NNNN [email protected] Glenn Crouch YYYY [email protected] Eric Scharff NNNN [email protected] Wolfgang Gross YYYY [email protected] Markus Andreasson YYYY [email protected] Vladimir Fast -YY- [email protected] Fernando Manuel Ramos Soares YYYY [email protected] Frank Heyne YYNY [email protected] Bill Florac YYYY [email protected] Floyd Johnson YNNN [email protected] Niels Foldager YYYY [email protected] ALBERT L. FOWLER YYYY [email protected] Degott Francois-Regis YNYN [email protected] Greg Franklin YNYY [email protected] Friedrich Pluennecke YYYY [email protected] Francis Uy Y--- [email protected] Gert A. Tijssen YYYY [email protected] Margaret Garrison YYYY [email protected] Laurent Gasser ([email protected]) YYYY [email protected] Charles Standing YYYY [email protected] Peter Gedeck YYYY [email protected] George Scriban YYYY [email protected] Germano Rossi -Y-- [email protected] Guang Mei YYYY [email protected] Bill Godfrey NY-Y [email protected] Gordon Findlay NNNN [email protected] Graham Keellings YYYY [email protected] Gregory B. Raymond YY-Y [email protected] Frank Jan Sorensen YYYY [email protected] George S. Cowan YYYY [email protected] Thomas C. Willett YYYY [email protected] Graham Minchin NNNN [email protected] Greg Whitehead YYYY [email protected] Willem van Schaik YYYY [email protected] Dan Luther YYYY [email protected] Hallvard Vassbotn YYYY [email protected] Larry Hamel YYYY [email protected] Paul Hargreaves YYYY [email protected] Martin Heller YYYY [email protected] Michael Heyers YYYY [email protected] Howard L. Kaplan YYYY [email protected] Howard Lee Harkness NNNN [email protected] Dr Hugh Matthews YYYY [email protected] Eric Hunt YYYY [email protected] Ian Piper NNNN [email protected] Igor David Schneider YYYY [email protected] Ian K. Erickson YNY- [email protected] Keith MacDonald Y-Y- [email protected] Lutz Kotoll YYYY [email protected] Oliver Fromme YYYY [email protected] Irina Rempt YYYY [email protected] Ian Robinson YYYY [email protected] John Cavallino YYYN [email protected] Jacques B.M. Guy YYYY [email protected] Jos van Kan YY-N [email protected] Jacques Charest YYYY [email protected] Joseph Enfield YYYY [email protected] Jaeson M. Engle YYYY [email protected] Jakob Paikin YYYY [email protected] Eric Jackson --Y- [email protected] Joseph Churchill YYYY [email protected] James N. Potts YYYY [email protected] Jan Petersen YYYY [email protected] Jason Krause YYYY [email protected] replace with your name> YYYY [email protected] Jason Goldman YYYY [email protected] Jacob de Boer NNYN [email protected] Joseph S. Bui YYYY [email protected] Joshua Dunfield --N- [email protected] Jeffrey David Cohen NYYY [email protected] Jason Costomiris YYYY [email protected] James Derrick YYYY [email protected] Jan Dillen YYYY [email protected] Jeremy Madea YYYY [email protected] Jean-Marc Lasgouttes YYYY [email protected] James E. Clarkson YY-Y [email protected] Jeff Zeitlin NNNN [email protected] Jeffrey Posnick YNYY [email protected] Jeffrey Carlyle YYYY [email protected] Jeroen W. Pluimers YYYN [email protected] Jerry Wilcox YYYY [email protected] Julian Fletcher --Y- [email protected] Jaroslaw Glodo YYYY [email protected] Jack Hartman YYYY [email protected] Jake Peters YYYY [email protected] John Hughes YYYY [email protected] Jim Jewett Y--- [email protected] Jake Aust YYYY [email protected] John Kondis YYYY [email protected] Jerry M. Wright YYYY [email protected] Joar Nilsson Y-YY [email protected] Joe Medal YYYY [email protected] Jon Duerdoth YYYY [email protected] Jon Shemitz YY-- [email protected] Trevor Tymchuk YYYY [email protected] James J. Orleff YYYY [email protected] Josh Kortbein YYYY [email protected] Joe Block YYYY [email protected] John C. Penman YYYY [email protected] Jose Luiz Pereira de Almeida --Y- [email protected] Jack Sheriff YYYN [email protected] Jim Hill NNNN [email protected] Juan Jose Mendez Jimenez, from Madrid (SPAIN YYYY [email protected] Juan Mariposa YYYY [email protected] Jussi Jarvelainen YYNN [email protected] replace with your name> Jonathan Vaugha YYYY [email protected] James V. Bacus YYYY [email protected] Jerry W. Wicks --Y- [email protected] Jonathan Woithe YYYY [email protected] Mike Warot YYYY [email protected] Kevin A. Walsh YNYN [email protected] Keith Rogers YYYY [email protected] Keith Rowland YYYN [email protected] Armin Kempkes YYYY [email protected] Ken Iwasa YYYY [email protected] Hasnain Khan NNNN [email protected] Keith Hawes YYYY [email protected] nathan f. wallace NYYN [email protected] Kim Greve YYYY [email protected] Kim DeVaughn YYYY [email protected] Kimmo Ketolainen +358 40 500 2957 YYYY [email protected] Kuno Jansen YYYY [email protected] KAI MAN HO YYYY [email protected] R. John Koshel YYYY [email protected] Keith Power YYYY [email protected] Martin Schr\"oder YYYY [email protected] David Erickson YYYY [email protected] Larry MacNeill -Y-- [email protected] Lars Renman YYYY [email protected] Lars Marius Garshol YYYY [email protected] Laurent Daudelin YYYY [email protected] Lawrence Noel Breakey YYNN [email protected] Lou Busch YYYY [email protected] Luc Dubois YYYY [email protected] Lesley McCrann YYYY [email protected] andrew levine YYYY [email protected] Mick Brown YYYY [email protected] Lars Fosdal YYYY [email protected] Scott Lindhurst YYYY [email protected] Lloyd Woodall --Y- [email protected] Laurent PELE YYYY [email protected] Gino Lucrezi YYYY [email protected] Peter Bierman YYYY [email protected] Lee Walton YYYY [email protected] Mark Vaughan YYYY [email protected] Malcolm Coulter NNNN [email protected] Manfred Marriott YYNN [email protected] Marc Moorcroft NNNN [email protected] Marco van Neerbos YYYY [email protected] Torbjorn Pedersen YYYY [email protected] Mark Delaney YYYY marques#m#[email protected] Augie Marques YYYY [email protected] Mathias Jonsson YYYY [email protected] Matthew E. Kleiderman YYYY [email protected] Matt Thornfield YYYY [email protected] Matthew J. Keller --N- [email protected] Michael J. Bayme Y-Y- [email protected] Philip Taylor Y-YY [email protected] Max WH Braun YYYY [email protected] Mikkel Breiler Benedikt Mikkelsen N--- [email protected] Paul McJones YYYY [email protected] Mark Rogers YYYY [email protected] Joseph Kevin Robertson YYYY [email protected] Mark Chambers YYYY [email protected] Paul van der Eijk YYYY [email protected] Jeff Mealiffe YNYY megamac%[email protected] Steve Walker --Y- [email protected] Meuser YYYY [email protected] Michele Fuortes YYYN [email protected] Michael Fearn-Wannan YYYY [email protected] Matthew Gessner YYYY [email protected] Michael G. Slack YYYY [email protected] Mike Oakes YYYY [email protected] Mikr Bumgarner --Y- [email protected] Mike Wilding YYYY [email protected] Matthew John Morris YYYY [email protected] M Mike Taksar ---- [email protected] Mark Newton YYYY [email protected] David Villegas YYYY [email protected] Alexandre NOUVEL YYYY [email protected] Marc P. Oburg YYYY [email protected] KADI Mohamed YYYY [email protected] Angel Montesinos Amilibia --Y- [email protected] William Moxley YYNY [email protected] Olaf Mittelstaedt YYYY [email protected] Alan Ralph YY-Y [email protected] Jon Mundsack YYYY [email protected] Mark Watts NNNN [email protected] Matt Mora --Y- [email protected] Nigel Bryant YYYY [email protected] Ned Boddie YYYY [email protected] Matthias Neeracher YNYY [email protected] Norbert Hanke YYYY [email protected] Nick Ingegneri NYYY [email protected] Nik Hughes YYYY [email protected] Neal Smith NYYY [email protected] Oscar Pearce YYYY [email protected] david parsons NYYY [email protected] Orville Hemans YYYY [email protected] writeln('M. Otto'); ---- [email protected] Paul H. Smith NNYN [email protected] Patrick J. LoPresti NNNN [email protected] Paul Denning YYYY [email protected] Paul Gavin YYYY [email protected] Philippe Perisset YYYY [email protected] Peter Thomas YYYY [email protected] Peter Summers YYYY [email protected] Peter Figliozzi YYYY [email protected] Phillip Simon Smith YYYY [email protected] Philip Nasadowski YNYY [email protected] Susan D. Pinochet Y-Y- [email protected] Peter Benie YYNY [email protected] Eric Plante YNYY [email protected] Chris Poole YYYY [email protected] Robert Fabiszak YYYY [email protected] Primoz Bradac YYYY [email protected] Grant Christensen YYYY [email protected] Ping Huang YYYY [email protected] Jose De Sousa Boura YYYY [email protected] Andrew Yeung YYYY [email protected] Pete Bastien N--- [email protected] Richard Czerwonka YYYY [email protected] Rebecca Drayer YYYY [email protected] Rafe Aldridge YYYN [email protected] William Raike [email protected] YYYY [email protected] Chris Rankin NNNN [email protected] Janet Ratzloff YYYY [email protected] Lothar Rausch YYYY rave#m#[email protected] Barbara Rave YYYY [email protected] Robert D Small YY-- [email protected] John R. Reagan YYYY [email protected] Douglas N. Reinhart YYYY [email protected] Robert Ford YYYY [email protected] Richard F. Walker YYYY [email protected] Richard Miller YYYN [email protected] Dick Rinewalt YYYY [email protected] ROELOF J ENGELBRECHT YYYY [email protected] Bob Litt YYYY [email protected] Robert Murdock -Y-- [email protected] Robert Anderson YYYY robertson#m#[email protected] Janet Robertson YYYY [email protected] Robin Beech Y-Y- [email protected] Robert P. Smith NNNY [email protected] Rod Ellery YYYY [email protected] Roger Browne YYYY [email protected] Dan Rogovin YYYY [email protected] Rolf Steinort YYYY [email protected] Dr Ross Lazarus YYYY [email protected] Peter N Roth YYYY [email protected] EMMANUEL ROUSSIN YYYY [email protected] Robert Palmqvist YYYY [email protected] replace with your name> --Y- [email protected] Richard Rosenheim YYYY [email protected] J. Rufinus YYYY [email protected] Russell Schulz, non-Delphi user YYYY [email protected] Russell Gold NYYY [email protected] Sverre A.C. Kittelsen YYYY [email protected] Simon Fraser --Y- S29208%[email protected] MOTHER::MOTHER::S29 YYYY [email protected] Paul Francis Gilbert YYYY [email protected] Stefan A. Deutscher YYYY [email protected] Sakari Heino YYNN [email protected] Sal Denaro NNNN [email protected] Scott A. Moore YYYY [email protected] Scott Anderson NNNN [email protected] Sandy Cooper YYYY [email protected] Alfonso Sanz YYYY [email protected] Sigbjorn Berntzen YYYY [email protected] Thomas Scherer YYYY [email protected] [email protected] / David Schrader YYYY [email protected] Steve Summit NYYN [email protected] Peter Sentveld YYYY [email protected] Michael Falk Shopsin YYYY [email protected] Simon Bennett YYYY [email protected] Douglas W Sjoquist YYYY [email protected] Olafur Petursson --Y- [email protected] Sharon Wenzel YYYY [email protected] Jacob Sparre Andersen YYYY [email protected] Stuart Ray YYYY [email protected] Tony Noe YYYY [email protected] Philip Cummins YYYY [email protected] Dwight Brown NNNN [email protected] Steffen Wehrens NNNN [email protected] David Steigerwald YYYN [email protected] Stephan Krueger YYYY [email protected] Stephen Genusa YYYY [email protected] Steve Hampson YYYY [email protected] Martin Wollschlaeger YYYY [email protected] Scott Gifford YYYY [email protected] Janos Szamosfalvi YYNN [email protected] Todd Cochrane YYYY [email protected] Thomas A. Blackadar YYYY [email protected] Timothy Barr YYYY [email protected] David M. Tannen YYYY [email protected] Trey Campbell YYYY [email protected] Tom Thomas YNYN [email protected] Ted Krovetz YYYY [email protected] Thomas Ingold YNYN [email protected] Thomas Gloeckler YYYY [email protected] Terry Kane YYYY [email protected] Thomas K. Gamble YYYY [email protected] Tim Lindner YYYY [email protected] Tom McKeon YYYY [email protected] Tony Hetherington YYYY [email protected] TONY QUINN YYYN [email protected] Jason Townsend YYYY [email protected] Tracy Valleau YYYY TROBINSON%[email protected] Todd C. Robinson YYYY [email protected] Timo Salmi YYYY [email protected] Troy Sandblom YYYY [email protected] Terry Sikes YYYY [email protected] Tim Pierce YNNN [email protected] Brent D. Beach YYYY [email protected] Victor Maurice Faubert ([email protected]) YYYY [email protected] Craig Villalon YYYY [email protected] Fabrizio Oddone Y-Y- [email protected] Wang Sang Meng NNNN [email protected] Warren Volz NNYY [email protected] Wayne Rasband YYYN [email protected] William Decker YYYY [email protected] Wojciech Galazka YYYY [email protected] Risto Widenius NNNN [email protected] W Lewis N--- [email protected] Dick Wisan YYYN [email protected] Matthias Wuttke YYNY [email protected] David W. Shortt <[email protected]> YYYN [email protected] Yadav, Avinash Y-Y- [email protected] Woodrow Yeung YYYY [email protected] Wendy Yeung YYYY [email protected] Gregory S. Youngblood YYYN Votes in error ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected] ! No name given [email protected] Patrick Voelker ! No vote statement in message [email protected] ! No name given
USENET FACT: Big-8
BIG-8 hierarchies are the 8 traditional top hierarchies of the Usenet. See the following page for more