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From [email protected] Mon Jun 29 16:53:58 1992
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From: [email protected] (Greg Berigan)
Subject: RFD: comp.binaries.apple2 moderated
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This is a Request For Discussion on the moderation of the existing
newsgroup comp.binaries.apple2, moderated by [email protected] (Jawaid
Bazyar), and backup moderator [email protected] (Greg "Life..."
Berigan).

Goals of Moderation (charter):

In anticipation of the school year, there is likely going to be a large
number of inappropriate posts to the newsgroup comp.binaries.apple2 by
new users of USENET.  Only by moderation of the newsgroup can these
posts be redirected to comp.sys.apple2 without it ever appearing in
c.b.a2.  The moderator can then advise the poster directly on the
appropriate newsgroup to post discussion.

Since .apple2 describes both 8-bit and 16-bit platforms, a description
of each file is needed for readers to decide whether or not they want
the program, or even if it will run on their machine.  A moderator can
insure that every binary contains a description outside of the archive,
so that the reader need not download and decode a file just to find out
it won't run on their machine.

Also important are descriptive subjects.  Much time can be saved on the
reader's part if subjects contained a unique keyword of what a program
requires to run, the name of the software, and a short but concise
summary description.  Also, (n of m) headers, used to denote order of
parts, not only defeat the ability of newsreaders like nn to group like
subjects together as a thread, but have no real function when used with
BinSCII-encoded binaries.  (BinSCIIed files can be re-integrated in any
order, as they also encode the position in the resultant file of each
part.)  An example subject would be:

Subject: GS: BasicPaint II -- a 4x320x200x256 paint program in AppleSoft

Commercial software has occasionally leaked through comp.binaries.apple2,
often due to people thinking that if its beta release was shareware, the
full version is also shareware.  A moderator can prevent commercial
software from being distributed through c.b.a2.  HOWEVER, utilities for
commercial software that can be distributed freely WILL be sent out,
with an appropriate keyword in the subject.  An example would be the GNO
utilities that have been coming through lately.

Although viruses are not common for the Apple II, there are some out
there.  A moderator could run virus-checking software on files uploaded
to c.b.a2 to reduce the risk of infective programs.  Viruses have not
been a problem of the past, and likely will not be a problem in the
future, but some checking would be useful if ever any come through.

With moderation, the moderator could also check uploaded archives for
corruption.  While some corruption of archives occur in transit,
arriving at some locations corrupted and others in working order,
moderation can insure that the source posting was free of errors, and
helps to track down what caused the corruption.

Since there is also a BITNET mailing list for Apple II binaries, known
as APPLE2-L, a moderator could have postings forwarded to that list.
That way the two would be more alike, and the APPLE2-L readers won't
miss out on stuff posted to c.b.a2.

Neither the moderator nor his assistants should be held responsible in
any way if a virus or commercial program slips through.  The moderator
and assistants will expend effort to try to ensure this doesn't happen,
but no guarantees are expressed nor implied that that these efforts will
be 100% effective.  The moderator and assistants reserve the right to
cancel any posting in comp.binaries.apple2 that is deemed inappropriate.
-- 
  ///   ____   \\\       |"Sorry, did I say something wrong?  Pardon me for
  | |/ /    \ \| |       | breathing, which I never do anyway so I don't even 
   \\_|\____/|_//        | know why I bother to say it oh God I'm so depressed.
       \_)\\/            | Here's another one of those self-satisfied doors.
gberigan `-' cse.unl.edu | Life... don't talk to me about life...."

From [email protected] Tue Jul 14 00:49:16 1992
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From: [email protected] (Greg "Life..." Berigan)
Subject: 2nd RFD: comp.binaries.apple2 moderated
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Followup-To: news.groups,comp.sys.apple2
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Organization: Ursa Minor Beta, 402-476-8047 @ 2400
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1992 02:02:29 GMT
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This is the 2nd Request For Discussion on the moderation of the existing
newsgroup comp.binaries.apple2.

Moderator: [email protected] (Jawaid Bazyar)
  Backups: [email protected] (Greg "Life..." Berigan)
           . . .

           MORE VOLUNTEERS FOR BACKUP MODERATORS ARE NEEDED!

Goals of Moderation (charter):

   o    Prevent corrupted binaries from being posted.  Corrupted
        articles would only occur in transit.  The moderator would have
        an uncorrupted copy, so users on sites where articles were
        corrupted in transit could request a good copy directly from the
        moderator within 7 days of posting.
   o    Prevent commercial software from being posted.
   o    Software scanned for known viruses, to keep an unknowing user
        from accidentally spreading it, and to inform him so he can
        take action.  This will not protect against new viruses posted
        maliciously, but some protection is better than none.
   o    Ensure that binaries posted will have a reasonable description
        as far as machine type, OS needed, other software needed,
        peripherals, etc.  This would include both descriptive subjects
        and descriptions in the message body.
   o    Make subjects friendlier to subject-grouping newsreaders by
        moving "(part n of m)" information into the message body; The
        subject would contain "(m parts)" instead.  This does not hamper
        the decoding of archives, as BinSCII files can be decoded in any
        order.  This helps the function of newsreaders like "nn" and
        hampers no others.
   o    Ensure that all parts of a binary are posted together, to
        prevent early parts from expiring before later parts arrive.
   o    Maintenance of a canonical archive of comp.binaries.apple2 posts
        in standard usenet format, probably on wuarchive.wustl.edu and
        UUNET.
   o    Provide sure hooks into APPLE2-L and ensure that submissions
        from that source follow these guidelines (hi Grant!)
   o    Prevent naive users from incorrectly posting discussion
        material to comp.binaries; kindly forwards their post to
        comp.sys.apple2, without causing a pointless flame war.  This
        happens far too often to be tolerable.
   o    Prevent the repeat posting of software that appeared within 6
        months.  This does not apply to updated versions of the
        software.

Neither the moderator nor his assistants should be held responsible in
any way if a virus or commercial program slips through.  The moderator
and assistants will expend effort to try to ensure this doesn't happen,
but no guarantees are expressed nor implied that that these efforts will
be 100% effective.  The moderator and assistants reserve the right to
cancel any posting in comp.binaries.apple2 that is deemed inappropriate.

The following blank lines are intentionally left blank.

-- [email protected] (Life...)
-- 
///   ____   \\\  "Sorry, did I say something wrong?  Pardon me for
| |/ /    \ \| |   breathing, which I never do anyway so I don't even 
 \\_|\____/|_//    know why I bother to say it oh God I'm so depressed.
     \_)\\/        Here's another one of those self-satisfied doors.
       `-'         Life... don't talk to me about life...."

From [email protected] Sun Jul 26 21:29:36 1992
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From: [email protected] (Greg "Life..." Berigan)
Subject: 3rd RFD: comp.binaries.apple2 moderated
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Followup-To: news.groups
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Organization: Ursa Minor Beta, 402-476-8047 @ 2400
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 03:50:52 GMT
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This is the 3rd Request For Discussion on the moderation of the existing
newsgroup comp.binaries.apple2, which will go to a vote on Wednesday,
July 29, 1992.  Voting information will be contained in the CFV.

   Moderator: [email protected] (Jawaid Bazyar)
Co-Moderator: [email protected] (Greg "Life..." Berigan)
(NEW) Backup: [email protected] (John Palaima)
(NEW) Backup: [email protected] (Anthony J. Stuckey)

Moderators will be added/removed as needed/necessary to ensure the group
continues to function rapidly and according to its charter.

Goals of Moderation (charter):

   o    Prevent corrupted binaries from being posted.  Corrupted
        articles would only occur in transit.  The moderator would have
        an uncorrupted copy, so users on sites where articles were
        corrupted in transit could request a good copy directly from the
        moderator.
   o    Insure that archives are split at their FiLeStArTfIlEsTaRt
        boundaries, in parts that will not be truncated in transit
        through old links (3 BinSCII parts per post).
   o    Prevent commercial software from being posted.  When in doubt,
        the author would be contacted.
   o    Software scanned for known viruses, to keep an unknowing user
        from accidentally spreading it, and to inform him so he can
        take action, using VirusMD program donated by Morgan Davis.
   o    Articles will have unique, sequential article-ID's, to better
        facilitate the detection of forgeries, and use the References:
        header to help threading newsreaders like trn to group parts
        together.
   o    Ensure that binaries posted will have a reasonable description
        as far as machine type, OS needed, other software needed,
        peripherals, etc.  This would include both descriptive subjects
        and descriptions in the message body.
   o    Make subjects friendlier to subject-grouping newsreaders by
        moving "(part n of m)" information into the message body; The
        subject would contain "(m parts)" instead.  This does not hamper
        the decoding of archives, as BinSCII files can be decoded in any
        order.  This helps the function of newsreaders like "nn" and
        hampers no others.
   o    Ensure that all parts of a binary are posted together, to
        prevent early parts from expiring before later parts arrive.
   o    Maintenance of a canonical archive of comp.binaries.apple2 posts
        in standard usenet format, probably on wuarchive.wustl.edu and
        UUNET.
   o    Provide sure hooks into APPLE2-L and ensure that submissions
        from that source follow these guidelines (hi Grant!)
   o    Prevent naive users from incorrectly posting discussion
        material to comp.binaries; kindly forwards their post to
        comp.sys.apple2, without causing a pointless flame war.  This
        happens far too often to be tolerable.
   o    Prevent the repeat posting of software that appeared within 6
        months.  This does not apply to updated versions of the
        software.
   o    The posting of archives containing documentation for programs
        posted to comp.binaries.apple2 is permitted.
   o    If a posting has not been checked by a moderator within 5 DAYS
        of receipt, the posting will be AUTOMATICALLY APPROVED.

   LEGAL DISCLAIMER:

   Neither the moderator nor his assistants should be held responsible in
   any way if a virus or commercial program slips through.  The moderator
   and assistants will expend effort to try to ensure this doesn't happen,
   but no guarantees are expressed nor implied that that these efforts will
   be 100% effective.  The moderator and assistants reserve the right to
   cancel any posting in comp.binaries.apple2 that is deemed inappropriate.

-- [email protected] (Life...)

From [email protected] Thu Jul 30 13:49:00 1992
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From: [email protected] (Greg "Life..." Berigan)
Subject: CFV: comp.binaries.apple2 moderated
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Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence)
Organization: Megadodo Publications, Light City, Ursa Minor Beta
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:16:03 GMT
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This is a CALL FOR VOTES on the moderation of the existing newsgroup
comp.binaries.apple2.

   Moderator: [email protected] (Jawaid Bazyar)
Co-Moderator: [email protected] (Greg "Life..." Berigan)
      Backup: [email protected] (John Palaima)
      Backup: [email protected] (Anthony J. Stuckey)

NEW CHARTER:

 Submissions are to be virus-free Freeware, Shareware or otherwise
 freely-distributable programs which run on any one or more Apple II,
 Apple III, or their compatibles when running in their Apple II
 compatible mode, their data files excluding those which are already
 covered by existing newsgroups' charters, and their documentation.  A
 description of the submission is also required, which must include
 hardware and software requirements of the submission.  If a description
 is absent, and one is not present inside the archive, the submitter will
 be asked to provide one.  If an article is rejected or diverted to
 another group, the poster will be informed accordingly.  An archive will
 not be  approved and posted  until all of its parts have arrived.
 Ideally, submissions should be made in the same format as the approved
 postings, but this is not required, only preferred.

 Repeat submissions of programs will not be posted unless it is a repeat
 of a 6-month-or-older posting.  It is recommended that users consult a
 comp.binaries.apple2 archive site to obtain these programs.  Newer
 versions of postings are not classified as a repeat submission.

 Postings which have forged approval, contain commercial software, or
 contain code designed to cause harm to an unsuspecting user or is
 otherwise a virus, are explicitly improper, and will be cancelled.
 Submissions which are somehow not categorized in the above as proper or
 improper will be decided on a case-by-case basis in open discussion in
 comp.sys.apple2.  Disagreements on the quality or state of being proper
 of a posting should be discussed in comp.sys.apple2.

 Inappropriate submissions which are already covered by existing
 newsgroups' charters will be forwarded to said group, with a message to
 the submitter informing such, such as articles which do not contain a
 binary posting, or source code which would be forwarded to
 comp.sources.apple2.

 The approved posts will have subjects containing keywords identifying
 CPU requirements, the name of the archive's contents, a count of the
 number of postings which make up the complete archive, and a short
 summary of the program, which includes a listing of additional hardware
 and software requirements.  Postings in comp.binaries.apple2 will be
 encoded as BinSCIIed ShrinkIT files, until such (unforseen at this
 writing) time that they are usurped in preference, using the newest
 commonly-available bug-free versions.  Postings will not exceed 1000
 lines per post -- typically 3 BinSCII parts per post -- in order to
 prevent truncation through old net links.  Articles will be given
 unique, sequential article-IDs to help detect forgeries, and will use
 the References: header for the benefit of threaded newsreaders (like
 trn).  In case of extended moderator absence, submissions not checked
 for 5 days after receipt will be automatically approved in their
 submission form, and clearly marked that they had not been checked.
 Postings will be forwarded to the APPLE2-L mailing list as approved, as
 well as archived on an anonymously accessible FTP site.  Old postings
 will also be available on request from the moderator(s).

 LEGAL DISCLAIMER:

 Neither the moderator nor his assistants should be held responsible in
 any way if a virus or commercial program slips through.  The moderator
 and assistants will expend effort to try to ensure this doesn't happen,
 but no guarantees are expressed nor implied that that these efforts will
 be 100% effective.


HOW TO VOTE:

All votes should be sent to the address "[email protected]".  Every
received vote will be sent an ACK in response which will include the
text that contains the actual vote and how the vote was received.
Sample vote lines are:

On the moderation of comp.binaries.apple2, I vote YES.
On the moderation of comp.binaries.apple2, I vote NO.
On the moderation of comp.binaries.apple2, I ABSTAIN.

Votes can be in any format, as long as they are clear as to who is
voting, how the person is voting, and what proposal is being voted on.
(Please, do NOT include the entire Call For Votes in your ballot.)
Only one vote per ballot.  In case of multiple ballots from the same
address, only the most recently received vote will be counted.  ABSTAIN
votes have no effect upon success or fail of the proposal other than
removing a previous YES or NO vote from the same voter.

Votes received after August 28th (Central Time) will not be counted.

Periodic reposts of the Call For Votes will be made to news.announce.-
newgroups, news.groups, and comp.sys.apple2.  These will contain a Mass
Voter Acknowledgement, which will list all the addresses from which
votes have been received, categorized only as valid and invalid.  If
your net address does not appear in the list, and you did not receive an
ack, please resend your vote.
-- 
-- [email protected] (Life...)

From [email protected] Mon Aug 17 11:51:02 1992
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From: [email protected] (Greg "Life..." Berigan)
Subject: 2nd CFV and VOTE ACK: comp.binaries.apple2 moderated
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Followup-To: poster
Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence)
Organization: Megadodo Publications, Light City, Ursa Minor Beta
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:38:32 GMT
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This is the 2nd CALL FOR VOTES on the moderation of the existing
newsgroup comp.binaries.apple2.

   Moderator: [email protected] (Jawaid Bazyar)
Co-Moderator: [email protected] (Greg "Life..." Berigan)
      Backup: [email protected] (John Palaima)
      Backup: [email protected] (Anthony J. Stuckey)

CHARTER:

Submissions are to be virus-free Freeware, Shareware or otherwise
freely-distributable programs which run on any one or more Apple II,
Apple III, or their compatibles when running in their Apple II
compatible mode, their data files excluding those which are already
covered by existing newsgroups' charters, and their documentation.  A
description of the submission is also required, which must include
hardware and software requirements of the submission.  If a description
is absent, and one is not present inside the archive, the submitter will
be asked to provide one.  If an article is rejected or diverted to
another group, the poster will be informed accordingly.  An archive will
not be  approved and posted  until all of its parts have arrived.
Ideally, submissions should be made in the same format as the approved
postings, but this is not required, only preferred.

Repeat submissions of programs will not be posted unless it is a repeat
of a 6-month-or-older posting.  It is recommended that users consult a
comp.binaries.apple2 archive site to obtain these programs.  Newer
versions of postings are not classified as a repeat submission.

Postings which have forged approval, contain commercial software, or
contain code designed to cause harm to an unsuspecting user or is
otherwise a virus, are explicitly improper, and will be cancelled.
Submissions which are somehow not categorized in the above as proper or
improper will be decided on a case-by-case basis in open discussion in
comp.sys.apple2.  Disagreements on the quality or state of being proper
of a posting should be voiced in comp.sys.apple2.

Inappropriate submissions which are already covered by existing
newsgroups' charters will be forwarded to said group, with a message to
the submitter informing such, such as articles which do not contain a
binary posting, or source code which would be forwarded to
comp.sources.apple2.

The approved posts will have subjects containing keywords identifying
CPU requirements, the name of the archive's contents, a count of the
number of postings which make up the complete archive, and a short
summary of the program, which includes a listing of additional hardware
and software requirements.  Postings in comp.binaries.apple2 will be
encoded as BinSCIIed ShrinkIT files, until such (unforseen at this
writing) time that they are usurped in preference, using the newest
commonly-available bug-free versions.  Postings will not exceed 1000
lines per post -- typically 3 BinSCII parts per post -- in order to
prevent truncation through old net links.  Articles will be given
unique, sequential article-IDs to help detect forgeries, and will use
the References: header for the benefit of threaded newsreaders (like
trn).  In case of extended moderator absence, submissions not checked
for 5 days after receipt will be automatically approved in their
submission form, and clearly marked that they had not been checked.
Postings will be forwarded to the APPLE2-L mailing list as approved, as
well as archived on an anonymously accessible FTP site.  Old postings
will also be available on request from the moderator(s).

LEGAL DISCLAIMER:

Neither the moderator nor his assistants should be held responsible in
any way if a virus or commercial program slips through.  The moderator
and assistants will expend effort to try to ensure this doesn't happen,
but no guarantees are expressed nor implied that that these efforts will
be 100% effective.


HOW TO VOTE:

All votes should be sent to the address "[email protected]".  Every
vote will be sent an ACK which will include the text that contains the
actual vote and how the vote was received.  Sample vote lines are:

On the moderation of comp.binaries.apple2, I vote YES.
On the moderation of comp.binaries.apple2, I vote NO.
On the moderation of comp.binaries.apple2, I ABSTAIN.

Votes can be in any format, as long as they clearly identify themselves
as votes, are clear as to who is voting ("I vote" is sufficient), how the
person is voting, and what proposal is being voted on.  (Please, do NOT
include the entire Call For Votes in your ballot.)

Only one vote per ballot per voter.  In case of multiple ballots from the
same address/voter, only the most recently received vote will be counted.  
ABSTAIN votes have no effect upon success or fail of the proposal other
than removing a previous YES or NO vote.

Votes received after August 28th (Central Time) will not be counted.

Periodic reposts of the Call For Votes will be made to news.announce.-
newgroups, news.groups, comp.sys.apple2, and comp.binaries.apple2
(according to the wishes of the moderator of news.announce.newgroups).
These will contain a Mass Voter Acknowledgement, which will list all the
addresses from which votes have been received.  If your net address does
not appear in the list, and you did not receive an ack, please resend
your vote.

MASS VOTER ACKNOWLEDGEMENT:

Apparent duplicates:

[dropped] [email protected] (mdd)
          [email protected] (Mike Dodd)

[dropped] mlyons%[email protected] (Michael A. Lyons)
          [email protected] (Michael A. Lyons)

[invalid] [email protected] (guest)
          [email protected]


Bounced Acks:

[email protected]
[email protected] (Michael Levine) *
[email protected] (Cameron Silver) *
[email protected] (Jean-Marie Soudy) *

These votes have been counted.

* Apparently a machine in ausom.oz.au's path messes around with the
headers.  Reply-to: headers get altered, and the "From " and "From:"
addresses do not coincide.


Unrecognized or Ambiguous votes (not counted):

Jay Maynard <[email protected]>
[email protected] (guest)
Rene Gaudet <[email protected]>


Valid Votes (101 -- ABSTAINs not listed):

"Doug Ashbrook" <[email protected]>
"Gary Williams"  <[email protected]>
"H. Grant Delaney PH 2206" <[email protected]>
"Joe Luzzi" <[email protected]>
Alexander Kourakos <[email protected]>
Andrew Guillaume <[email protected]>
Bill Bridson <[email protected]>
Brian Tao <[email protected]>
David E A Wilson <[email protected]>
[email protected]
Doctor Science <[email protected]>
Eric Shepherd <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Don Fairall)
Jacob S. Buchholz <[email protected]>
Jawaid Bazyar <[email protected]>
Jerry Penner <[email protected]>
Jim (J.A.) Dean <[email protected]>
Jonathan Cooper <[email protected]>
[email protected]
Kent Dickey <[email protected]>
Marc Sira <[email protected]>
[email protected]
[email protected]
Richard Eugene Courtemanche <[email protected]>
Rick Ellis <[email protected]>
Ron <[email protected]>
Stephen Harker <[email protected]>
Sterling IMD <[email protected]>
Steven T Chiang <[email protected]>
Tas Brown <[email protected]>
Tero Sand <[email protected]>
[email protected] (John Daniels)
[email protected] (Andre John Kostur)
[email protected] (Andy Finkenstadt)
[email protected] (Matt Ostanik)
[email protected] (Richard Putman)
[email protected] (Brendan Hoar)
[email protected] (Brian Clark)
[email protected] (Basil Johnson)
[email protected] (Scott M. Blackman)
[email protected] (Brett Marlowe)
[email protected] (Brian Huddleston)
[email protected] (Charles Barber)
[email protected] (Carl Rigney)
[email protected] (Amrit Chauhan)
[email protected] (Cameron Silver)
[email protected] (David Kopper)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Doug Granzow)
[email protected] (David Karl Leikam)
[email protected] (david stephenson)
[email protected] (Mike Dodd)
[email protected] (Sandy Duveneck)
[email protected] (Dan Wellman)
[email protected] (Ed McGuire)
[email protected] (Eric Mulholland)
[email protected] (Life...)
[email protected] (Kent Radek)
gray%[email protected] (Lyle H. Gray)
[email protected] (Greg Strain)
[email protected] (Kevin Henigan)
[email protected] (Jason Perez)
[email protected] (Jeff Beadles)
[email protected] (Jeff Holcomb)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Jean-Marie Soudy)
[email protected] (John Knight)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Vincent V. Juodvalkis)
[email protected] (Jeffrey Smoot)
[email protected] (Kevin Lepard (MD-Phd Student) 280-0590)
[email protected] (Tom)
[email protected] (Lunatic Johnathan Bruce E'Sex)
[email protected] (Larry W. Virden, x2487)
[email protected] (James Kyriannis)
[email protected] (Max Heffler)
[email protected] (Michael Frankowski)
[email protected] (Michael Levine)
[email protected] (Michael A. Lyons)
[email protected] (William Moxley)
[email protected] (Frank Nusselder)
[email protected] (Nik Kovalenko)
[email protected] (Nicholas Pyers)
[email protected] (Nicolas Lenz)
[email protected] (Rich Payne)
peora.sdc.ccur.com!bilver!vicstoy!aphelps (Austin Phelps)
[email protected] (Shawn W Platkus)
[email protected] (Dale B. LaFountain)
[email protected] (Steve Reeves)
[email protected] (Richard A Simm)
[email protected] (Richard H. Miller)
[email protected] (Robert Pascale)
[email protected] (System Administrator)
[email protected] (Scott Anderson)
[email protected] (Sang J. Moon)
[email protected] (Stephen Powell)
[email protected] (Sascha Wildner)
[email protected] (Tom Madigan x3438)
[email protected] (tuu)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Eric Samuel Zeisloft)
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From [email protected] Mon Aug 31 21:21:21 1992
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From: [email protected] (Greg "Life..." Berigan)
Subject: RESULT: comp.binaries.apple2 moderated fails 99:64
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Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence)
Organization: Megadodo Publications, Light City, Ursa Minor Beta
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 00:56:32 GMT
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The proposal on the moderation of the existing newsgroup comp.binaries.-
apple2 FAILED with a 99 YES votes, 64 NO, and 2 ABSTAINs.

This proposal now cannot be raised again for 6 months.  Below is a copy
of the proposal.  If you wish to skip it, use your newsreader search
function (typically the "/" key followed by the search string) to search
for the text "RESULTS:".

   Moderator: [email protected] (Jawaid Bazyar)
Co-Moderator: [email protected] (Greg "Life..." Berigan)
      Backup: [email protected] (John Palaima)
      Backup: [email protected] (Anthony J. Stuckey)

CHARTER:

Submissions are to be virus-free Freeware, Shareware or otherwise
freely-distributable programs which run on any one or more Apple II,
Apple III, or their compatibles when running in their Apple II
compatible mode, their data files excluding those which are already
covered by existing newsgroups' charters, and their documentation.  A
description of the submission is also required, which must include
hardware and software requirements of the submission.  If a description
is absent, and one is not present inside the archive, the submitter will
be asked to provide one.  If an article is rejected or diverted to
another group, the poster will be informed accordingly.  An archive will
not be  approved and posted  until all of its parts have arrived.
Ideally, submissions should be made in the same format as the approved
postings, but this is not required, only preferred.

Repeat submissions of programs will not be posted unless it is a repeat
of a 6-month-or-older posting.  It is recommended that users consult a
comp.binaries.apple2 archive site to obtain these programs.  Newer
versions of postings are not classified as a repeat submission.

Postings which have forged approval, contain commercial software, or
contain code designed to cause harm to an unsuspecting user or is
otherwise a virus, are explicitly improper, and will be cancelled.
Submissions which are somehow not categorized in the above as proper or
improper will be decided on a case-by-case basis in open discussion in
comp.sys.apple2.  Disagreements on the quality or state of being proper
of a posting should be voiced in comp.sys.apple2.

Inappropriate submissions which are already covered by existing
newsgroups' charters will be forwarded to said group, with a message to
the submitter informing such, such as articles which do not contain a
binary posting, or source code which would be forwarded to
comp.sources.apple2.

The approved posts will have subjects containing keywords identifying
CPU requirements, the name of the archive's contents, a count of the
number of postings which make up the complete archive, and a short
summary of the program, which includes a listing of additional hardware
and software requirements.  Postings in comp.binaries.apple2 will be
encoded as BinSCIIed ShrinkIT files, until such (unforseen at this
writing) time that they are usurped in preference, using the newest
commonly-available bug-free versions.  Postings will not exceed 1000
lines per post -- typically 3 BinSCII parts per post -- in order to
prevent truncation through old net links.  Articles will be given
unique, sequential article-IDs to help detect forgeries, and will use
the References: header for the benefit of threaded newsreaders (like
trn).  In case of extended moderator absence, submissions not checked
for 5 days after receipt will be automatically approved in their
submission form, and clearly marked that they had not been checked.
Postings will be forwarded to the APPLE2-L mailing list as approved, as
well as archived on an anonymously accessible FTP site.  Old postings
will also be available on request from the moderator(s).

LEGAL DISCLAIMER:

Neither the moderator nor his assistants should be held responsible in
any way if a virus or commercial program slips through.  The moderator
and assistants will expend effort to try to ensure this doesn't happen,
but no guarantees are expressed nor implied that that these efforts will
be 100% effective.


RESULTS:

All votes have been ordered by their date rather than alphabetically.
Those interested in testing for duplicates by alphabetising them are
invited to save this post to their account, edit appropriately, and do
so.  However, duplicates won't affect the results -- there weren't even
100 YES votes total, so even if all no votes were eliminated, the
proposal would still fail by 1 vote.

BAD (not replaced by valid -- not counted)

Jay Maynard <[email protected]>             Wed Jul 29 21:00:32 1992
Rene Gaudet <[email protected]>                  Fri Aug  7 22:16:24 1992
[email protected] (Tyrie Grubic)                   Wed Aug 19 12:14:31 1992


BOUNCED (date is of the bounced ack message -- all counted)

[email protected]                                   Thu Jul 30 21:19:29 1992
  [I have trouble reaching .BITNET machines.]
[email protected] (Michael Levine)                  Fri Jul 31 08:56:16 1992
[email protected] (Cameron Silver)                  Fri Jul 31 08:57:37 1992
[email protected] (Jean-Marie Soudy)                Fri Jul 31 08:59:24 1992
  [This is just an addressing problem with ausom.oz.au.]
[email protected]@telesys                         Sat Aug 22 10:22:46 1992
  [Mail seems to have gotten through by stripping second "@telesys".]
[email protected] (Martin Georg)                  Fri Aug 28 23:27:20 1992
  [mail.Germany.EU.net said "Service unavailable".]
[email protected] (Andrew Robert Volk)             Fri Aug 28 23:30:39 1992
  [again, the .BITNET problem... my system tries appending ".forgn".]


DUPLICATES (starred ("*") votes counted)

[email protected] (guest)                      Wed Jul 29 21:59:18 1992
[email protected] (Basil Johnson)              Sun Aug  2 13:53:47 1992*

[email protected] (Shawn W Platkus)               Wed Jul 29 20:33:18 1992
[email protected] (Shawn W Platkus)               Tue Aug 18 21:39:15 1992*

[email protected] (Richard A Simm)                       Wed Jul 29 23:17:38 1992
[email protected] (Richard A Simm)                       Mon Aug 17 23:49:58 1992*

[email protected] (Kevin Lepard (MD-Phd Student) 280-0590)                                                                               Thu Jul 30 08:27:44 1992
[email protected] (Kevin Lepard (MD-Phd Student) 280-0590)                                                                               Tue Aug 18 08:44:41 1992*

mlyons%[email protected] (Michael A. Lyons)          Thu Jul 30 20:06:22 1992
[email protected] (Michael A. Lyons)              Fri Jul 31 04:34:35 1992
[email protected] (Albert Moore)                      Mon Aug 17 19:01:08 1992
[email protected] (Brian Fink)                       Mon Aug 17 19:01:11 1992
[email protected] (Eric Shaw)                Mon Aug 17 19:01:13 1992
[email protected] (Bill Logsdon)                   Mon Aug 17 19:01:15 1992
[email protected] (Bill Triplett)                  Mon Aug 17 19:01:18 1992
[email protected] (Jered Heeschen)                Mon Aug 17 19:01:20 1992
[email protected] (Craig Fancourt)                Mon Aug 17 19:01:46 1992
  [Mr. Lyons may be responsible for more NO votes than these.]

[email protected]                       Tue Aug  4 10:53:51 1992
[email protected]                       Thu Aug 20 12:01:43 1992*

[email protected] (Grover Thomas)                Sun Aug 16 08:15:08 1992
[email protected] (Grover Thomas)                Tue Aug 18 01:32:55 1992*

  [All above exact duplicates the votes were likely sent in error, when
   the voter failed to notice them in CFV2.]


YES

Bill Bridson <[email protected]>                Wed Jul 29 18:39:10 1992
[email protected] (Eric Mulholland)             Wed Jul 29 19:48:40 1992
[email protected] (Life...)                         Wed Jul 29 20:05:46 1992
[email protected] (Brett Marlowe)                Wed Jul 29 20:44:58 1992
Richard Eugene Courtemanche <[email protected]>           Wed Jul 29 23:07:02 1992
Jawaid Bazyar <[email protected]>                         Wed Jul 29 23:26:48 1992
[email protected] (Steve Reeves)                Wed Jul 29 23:44:13 1992
Jacob S. Buchholz <[email protected]>       Wed Jul 29 23:50:05 1992
[email protected] (Tom)                       Thu Jul 30 00:07:39 1992
[email protected] (John Daniels)             Thu Jul 30 00:24:19 1992
Jerry Penner <[email protected]>                   Thu Jul 30 00:24:28 1992
[email protected] (Michael Frankowski)              Thu Jul 30 01:45:13 1992
[email protected] (Andre John Kostur)                     Thu Jul 30 01:45:45 1992
[email protected] (Dale B. LaFountain)          Thu Jul 30 02:36:46 1992
Tero Sand <[email protected]>                     Thu Jul 30 02:43:43 1992
[email protected] (Jeffrey Smoot)                          Thu Jul 30 07:28:50 1992
Doctor Science <[email protected]>           Thu Jul 30 09:18:31 1992
[email protected] (Nik Kovalenko)            Thu Jul 30 09:20:37 1992
"Doug Ashbrook" <[email protected]>                       Thu Jul 30 09:21:26 1992
[email protected] (Don Fairall)               Thu Jul 30 09:53:03 1992
[email protected]                                  Thu Jul 30 10:05:58 1992
[email protected] (Vincent V. Juodvalkis) Thu Jul 30 11:11:49 1992
"Joe Luzzi" <[email protected]>          Thu Jul 30 11:28:10 1992
Steven T Chiang <[email protected]>          Thu Jul 30 12:27:52 1992
[email protected] (Richard H. Miller)       Thu Jul 30 12:42:01 1992
[email protected] (Carl Rigney)                              Thu Jul 30 15:29:59 1992
[email protected] (Lunatic Johnathan Bruce E'Sex)     Thu Jul 30 15:34:22 1992
Rick Ellis <[email protected]>                   Thu Jul 30 22:01:39 1992
Tas Brown <[email protected]>           Thu Jul 30 22:47:15 1992
[email protected] (Kent Radek)                      Fri Jul 31 00:02:07 1992
Andrew Guillaume <[email protected]>               Fri Jul 31 00:20:26 1992
[email protected]                             Fri Jul 31 02:40:47 1992
[email protected] (Greg Strain)                    Fri Jul 31 05:02:14 1992
[email protected] (Doug Granzow)                Fri Jul 31 07:13:31 1992
[email protected]                         Fri Jul 31 07:32:45 1992
[email protected] (Jean-Marie Soudy)                Fri Jul 31 07:37:08 1992
[email protected] (David Kopper)                 Fri Jul 31 08:20:57 1992
[email protected] (Jason Perez)               Fri Jul 31 08:54:36 1992
"Gary Williams"  <[email protected]>            Fri Jul 31 10:34:08 1992
[email protected] (Tom Madigan x3438)            Fri Jul 31 11:41:51 1992
Brian Tao <[email protected]>                      Fri Jul 31 12:05:21 1992
[email protected] (Scott Anderson)               Fri Jul 31 17:07:34 1992
Alexander Kourakos <[email protected]>        Fri Jul 31 19:40:08 1992
[email protected] (Dan Wellman)              Sat Aug  1 02:47:04 1992
[email protected] (Brian Clark)                 Sat Aug  1 03:45:37 1992
gray%[email protected] (Lyle H. Gray)                  Sat Aug  1 07:48:51 1992
[email protected]                                   Sat Aug  1 11:37:36 1992
[email protected] (Sascha Wildner)              Sat Aug  1 17:17:13 1992
[email protected] (Frank Nusselder)                     Sat Aug  1 21:33:33 1992
[email protected] (Basil Johnson)              Sun Aug  2 13:53:47 1992
[email protected] (System Administrator)         Mon Aug  3 09:20:25 1992
[email protected]             Mon Aug  3 09:47:59 1992
[email protected] (Sandy Duveneck)                   Mon Aug  3 12:00:45 1992
[email protected] (David Karl Leikam)               Mon Aug  3 12:11:34 1992
[email protected] (Jeff Holcomb)                         Mon Aug  3 12:36:17 1992
Sterling IMD <[email protected]>                   Mon Aug  3 20:08:44 1992
[email protected] (Stephen Powell)           Tue Aug  4 18:59:06 1992
[email protected] (Amrit Chauhan)          Thu Aug  6 00:03:31 1992
[email protected] (Brendan Hoar)           Sat Aug  8 09:04:45 1992
[email protected] (Matt Ostanik)             Sun Aug  9 02:15:16 1992
Eric Shepherd <[email protected]>                Sun Aug  9 21:30:23 1992
Ron <[email protected]>                          Mon Aug 10 15:39:43 1992
David E A Wilson <[email protected]>                 Tue Aug 11 20:44:07 1992
Rob Knauerhase <[email protected]>                    Sun Aug 16 18:29:16 1992
[email protected]                                   Mon Aug 17 11:29:31 1992
Arne Henrik Juul <[email protected]>                  Mon Aug 17 11:45:20 1992
[email protected]                             Mon Aug 17 13:51:57 1992
Steven E Nash <[email protected]>        Mon Aug 17 14:00:32 1992
[email protected] (Otto Heuer #3)             Mon Aug 17 14:21:26 1992
[email protected] (Matthew Elvey)            Mon Aug 17 15:14:24 1992
[email protected]                                   Mon Aug 17 19:55:59 1992
Tim Meekins <[email protected]>               Mon Aug 17 22:38:56 1992
[email protected] (Grover Thomas)                Tue Aug 18 01:32:55 1992
[email protected] (Mike Ungerman)                Tue Aug 18 08:22:56 1992
[email protected] (Kevin Lepard (MD-Phd Student) 280-0590)                                                                               Tue Aug 18 08:44:41 1992
"Diane M. Wink" <[email protected]>            Tue Aug 18 09:12:43 1992
[email protected] (Chris Deschu)           Tue Aug 18 14:55:43 1992
uunet.UU.NET!web!feline!gray (Kelly Gray)              Tue Aug 18 15:34:24 1992
Thekid <[email protected]>                     Tue Aug 18 22:00:48 1992
[email protected] (Francis A. Uy)                        Tue Aug 18 23:51:18 1992
[email protected] (Kevin Gapp)                     Wed Aug 19 00:27:53 1992
[email protected]@telesys (Kevin W. Reed)         Wed Aug 19 02:25:01 1992
[email protected] (Edward Floden)                 Wed Aug 19 04:38:58 1992
P. Phillips <[email protected]>           Wed Aug 19 09:57:52 1992
[email protected] (Randy Fromm)                Wed Aug 19 19:56:48 1992
[email protected] (Chris Jacobson)               Thu Aug 20 02:54:40 1992
[email protected] (John N Schmidt)                  Thu Aug 20 11:43:31 1992
PHILLIPS NW <[email protected]>              Fri Aug 21 04:44:01 1992
cactus.org!wixer!cactus.org!wixer!pro-cajun.cts.com!sysadm (System Administrator)                                                      Fri Aug 21 08:28:22 1992
Kent Landfield <[email protected]>                 Sat Aug 22 01:05:42 1992
[email protected] (Stephen Snyder 73312)    Sat Aug 22 14:52:56 1992
[email protected] (Gabe Helou)                           Sat Aug 22 23:29:56 1992
[email protected] (Martin Georg)                  Sun Aug 23 00:28:28 1992
[email protected] (Paul Schultz)                          Mon Aug 24 20:51:12 1992
[email protected] (Mike Garvey)                           Tue Aug 25 17:55:14 1992
[email protected] (Jim Cahill)                     Tue Aug 25 18:28:18 1992
Dwight Starr <[email protected]>        Wed Aug 26 14:14:59 1992
[email protected] (Hank Leukart)             Thu Aug 27 13:47:55 1992
"Tony J Neyens" <[email protected]>                      Fri Aug 28 14:11:19 1992


NO

Kent Dickey <[email protected]>                  Wed Jul 29 18:46:52 1992
[email protected]                           Wed Jul 29 19:22:07 1992
[email protected] (James Kyriannis)         Wed Jul 29 21:39:02 1992
[email protected] (Scott M. Blackman)             Wed Jul 29 23:45:54 1992
[email protected] (Rich Payne)                         Thu Jul 30 00:02:27 1992
Jonathan Cooper <[email protected]>                Thu Jul 30 01:35:17 1992
[email protected] (Mike Dodd)                         Thu Jul 30 01:47:05 1992
Stephen Harker <[email protected]>         Thu Jul 30 02:11:34 1992
[email protected]                                   Thu Jul 30 05:55:32 1992
[email protected] (Andy Finkenstadt)       Thu Jul 30 07:13:34 1992
Jim (J.A.) Dean <[email protected]>                       Thu Jul 30 07:16:20 1992
[email protected] (Larry W. Virden, x2487)                 Thu Jul 30 07:28:56 1992
[email protected] (Nicolas Lenz)                   Thu Jul 30 10:13:21 1992
Marc Sira <[email protected]>                     Thu Jul 30 15:16:48 1992
[email protected] (Jeff Beadles)                     Thu Jul 30 20:21:54 1992
[email protected] (tuu)                           Thu Jul 30 21:50:49 1992
[email protected] (Eric Samuel Zeisloft)     Thu Jul 30 23:44:49 1992
[email protected] (Charles Barber)               Fri Jul 31 07:10:07 1992
[email protected] (Michael Levine)                  Fri Jul 31 07:30:13 1992
[email protected] (Cameron Silver)                  Fri Jul 31 07:36:57 1992
[email protected] (Robert Pascale)              Fri Jul 31 07:38:25 1992
[email protected] (Max Heffler)              Fri Jul 31 09:39:36 1992
"H. Grant Delaney PH 2206" <[email protected]>       Fri Jul 31 10:57:30 1992
[email protected] (Brian Huddleston)           Sun Aug  2 14:41:39 1992
[email protected] (Richard Putman)             Sun Aug  2 14:42:35 1992
[email protected] (david stephenson)             Sun Aug  2 14:43:31 1992
[email protected] (Ed McGuire)                 Sun Aug  2 23:50:56 1992
[email protected] (Sang J. Moon)            Mon Aug  3 06:42:30 1992
[email protected] (Kevin Henigan)              Tue Aug  4 08:21:38 1992
[email protected] (William Moxley)                   Tue Aug  4 10:19:05 1992
[email protected] (Nicholas Pyers)                  Wed Aug  5 02:30:31 1992
[email protected] (John Knight)                     Wed Aug  5 20:32:57 1992
peora.sdc.ccur.com!bilver!vicstoy!aphelps (Austin Phelps)                                                                              Sun Aug  9 17:00:48 1992
Po Shan Cheah <[email protected]>            Mon Aug 17 10:47:35 1992
[email protected]                         Mon Aug 17 13:57:51 1992
[email protected]                         Mon Aug 17 14:26:31 1992
Roy LeCates <[email protected]>                    Mon Aug 17 14:50:37 1992
epas.utoronto.ca!nextwave!seacove!philip (Philip McDunnough)                                                                           Mon Aug 17 16:27:39 1992
David A Lyons <[email protected]>                       Mon Aug 17 18:05:30 1992
peora.sdc.ccur.com!jwt!bbs-bdoherty (Benjamin Doherty) Mon Aug 17 21:15:00 1992
[email protected]                                           Mon Aug 17 21:39:12 1992
[email protected] (Richard A Simm)                       Mon Aug 17 23:49:58 1992
[email protected] (Robert_Paul MUELLER)                Tue Aug 18 00:35:55 1992
[email protected] (Dale Smith)                Tue Aug 18 05:42:20 1992
[email protected] (Tye Botting, SysAdmin)      Tue Aug 18 08:02:56 1992
[email protected] (Scot Salmon)                          Tue Aug 18 16:29:02 1992
[email protected] (Jim Murphy)                   Tue Aug 18 17:25:37 1992
[email protected] (Shawn W Platkus)               Tue Aug 18 21:39:15 1992
[email protected] (Scott Gentry)            Wed Aug 19 08:41:52 1992
[email protected] (Chris Arndt)                  Wed Aug 19 10:53:51 1992
Scott P Turner <[email protected]>           Wed Aug 19 23:26:02 1992
sunpitt.East.Sun.COM!csfs!cs690-3!tefft (Andy Tefft)   Thu Aug 20 07:08:26 1992
[email protected]                       Thu Aug 20 12:01:43 1992
[email protected] (Matt Deatherage)                      Thu Aug 20 16:52:58 1992
Steven Nelson <[email protected]>           Fri Aug 21 10:53:34 1992
[email protected] (Dave Harvey)            Fri Aug 21 23:12:13 1992
Jeff Hartkopf <[email protected]>             Sun Aug 23 18:38:51 1992
[email protected] (Glenn Koproske)          Mon Aug 24 07:03:02 1992
[email protected] (Andrew Robert Volk)             Mon Aug 24 23:09:55 1992
Michael V. Kent <[email protected]>                        Tue Aug 25 00:07:19 1992
[email protected] (Stephen Davidson)                Wed Aug 26 04:25:42 1992
[email protected] (Not A Random Name)                Wed Aug 26 06:02:23 1992
[email protected] (John Andersen)                Thu Aug 27 09:16:43 1992


ABSTAIN

[email protected]                                 Wed Jul 29 19:27:13 1992
[email protected] (Curt Schroeder)                   Mon Aug 10 08:49:23 1992
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