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From [email protected] Wed Jun 15 12:57:53 1994
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From: [email protected] (Ben Olasov)
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Subject: RFD: comp.cad.autocad
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Request For Discussion

This is a formal Request For Discussion of the creation of the
newsgroup comp.cad.autocad.  This is not a Call For Votes.  A Call For
Votes will be issued in the groups to which this message is posted
[news.announce.newgroups, alt.cad, alt.cad.autocad and
alt.architecture] 21 to 30 days from the date that this message
first appears.  Voting is to be recorded by a neutral third party.

Group Name:	comp.cad.autocad
Status:		Unmoderated
Summary:	Issues relating to the use of AutoDesk's AutoCad software
Distribution:	Worldwide
Proposed by:	Ben Olasov ([email protected])

Charter:

The charter for comp.cad.autocad is to be essentially the
same as that for alt.cad.autocad, e.g. the discussion of issues
relating to the use of AutoDesk's AutoCad software.


Background:

The newsgroup alt.cad.autocad has been carried on Usenet for
approximately two years now with traffic in excess of 8000 messages.
The following excerpt from a recent USENET readership report [as
posted to news.lists] summarizes readership activity:

>This is the full set of data from the USENET readership report for Apr 94.
>Explanations of the figures are in a companion posting.
> 
>        +-- Estimated total number of people who read the group, worldwide.
>        |     +-- Actual number of readers in sampled population 
>        |     |     +-- Propagation: how many sites receive this group at all
>        |     |     |      +-- Recent traffic (messages per month)
>        |     |     |      |      +-- Recent traffic (kilobytes per month)
>        |     |     |      |      |      +-- Crossposting percentage
>        |     |     |      |      |      |    +-- Cost ratio: $US/month/rdr
>        |     |     |      |      |      |    |      +-- Share: % of newsrders
>        |     |     |      |      |      |    |      |   who read this group.
>        V     V     V      V      V      V    V      V
> 848  61000   447   58%   597   897.4     2%  0.01   1.0%  alt.cad.autocad

Traffic in comp.cad.autocad is expected to be primarily a continuation
of that in alt.cad.autocad, that is, questions and answers of a
technical nature and discussions of technical issues related to usages
of AutoCad within a research or industrial context.  Posting of source
code for any of AutoCad's programming extensions is both permitted and
encouraged in moderation, particularly in response to a query.
Advertising, while not encouraged, is permitted to the extent that it
constitutes valid information about the availability of relevant
technologies.  Normally, messages having a content which tends to
promote a particular product or service are acceptable only as
responses to reader queries.

A FAQ is expected to be made available soon, at which point readers
will be encouraged to refer to the FAQ prior to posting questions.

Please direct all discussion to news.groups.
-- 
Ben Olasov	[email protected]

From [email protected] (RonDippold) Thu Jul 28 17:25:26 1994
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From: [email protected] (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.cad,alt.cad.autocad,alt.architecture,sci.electronics.cad
Subject: CFV: comp.cad.autocad
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		     FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
		  unmoderated group comp.cad.autocad

Newsgroups line:
comp.cad.autocad	AutoDesk's AutoCAD software.

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 18 August 1994.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting
questions only contact [email protected]  For questions about the
proposed group contact Ben Olasov <[email protected]>.


CHARTER

The discussion of issues relating to the use of AutoDesk's AutoCad
software product.  This includes questions and answers of a technical
nature regarding, and discussions regarding, technical issues related
to usages of AutoCad within a research or industrial context.  Posting
of source code for any of AutoCad's programmiing extensions is both
permitted and encouraged in moderation, particularily in response to a
query.  Advertising, while not encouraged, is permitted to the extent
that it coonstitutes valid information about the availability of
technologies relevant to AutoCad.  Normally, messages having a content
which tends to promote a particular product or service are acceptable
only as responses to reader queries.

alt.cad.autocad is presently bidirectionally gatewayed to the Bitnet
redistribution list AUTOCAD, and will continue to be gatewayed under
the name comp.cad.autocad should the new group be created.

alt.cad.autocad is presently not carried by a large number of sites
simply by virtue of its membership in the alt hierarchy which suffers
>from a widespread perception among Internet administrators of
fostering superfluous newsgroups devoid of validity as information
resources.  As such, these negative linkages have effectively
prevented alt.cad.autocad from reaching many potential readers.  This
conclusion is evinced by a recent Usenet readership summary [posted to
news.lists] which finds that a mere 58% of Usenet sites receive
alt.cad.autocad at all.


HOW TO VOTE

Send MAIL to:   [email protected]
Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.

Your mail message should contain one of the following statements:
      I vote YES on comp.cad.autocad
      I vote NO on comp.cad.autocad

You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome.
Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The
votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge-
ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again.
It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.

One vote counted per person, no more than one per account. Addresses and
votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.

From [email protected] (RonDippold) Tue Aug  9 11:07:36 1994
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.cad,alt.cad.autocad,alt.architecture,sci.electronics.cad
Subject: 2nd CFV: comp.cad.autocad
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                     LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
                  unmoderated group comp.cad.autocad

Newsgroups line:
comp.cad.autocad        AutoDesk's AutoCAD software.

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 18 August 1994.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting
questions only contact [email protected]  For questions about the
proposed group contact Ben Olasov <[email protected]>.


CHARTER

The discussion of issues relating to the use of AutoDesk's AutoCad
software product.  This includes questions and answers of a technical
nature regarding, and discussions regarding, technical issues related
to usages of AutoCad within a research or industrial context.  Posting
of source code for any of AutoCad's programmiing extensions is both
permitted and encouraged in moderation, particularily in response to a
query.  Advertising, while not encouraged, is permitted to the extent
that it coonstitutes valid information about the availability of
technologies relevant to AutoCad.  Normally, messages having a content
which tends to promote a particular product or service are acceptable
only as responses to reader queries.

alt.cad.autocad is presently bidirectionally gatewayed to the Bitnet
redistribution list AUTOCAD, and will continue to be gatewayed under
the name comp.cad.autocad should the new group be created.

alt.cad.autocad is presently not carried by a large number of sites
simply by virtue of its membership in the alt hierarchy which suffers
>from a widespread perception among Internet administrators of
fostering superfluous newsgroups devoid of validity as information
resources.  As such, these negative linkages have effectively
prevented alt.cad.autocad from reaching many potential readers.  This
conclusion is evinced by a recent Usenet readership summary [posted to
news.lists] which finds that a mere 58% of Usenet sites receive
alt.cad.autocad at all.


HOW TO VOTE

Send MAIL to:   [email protected]
Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.

Your mail message should contain one of the following statements:
      I vote YES on comp.cad.autocad
      I vote NO on comp.cad.autocad

You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome.
Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The
votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge-
ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again.
It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.

One vote counted per person, no more than one per account. Addresses and
votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.



comp.cad.autocad Bounce List - No need to revote
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[email protected]                                       Roland BAUER
[email protected]                                        Michael Fredericks

From [email protected] (RonDippold) Fri Aug 19 20:03:08 1994
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.cad,alt.cad.autocad,alt.architecture,sci.electronics.cad
Subject: RESULT: comp.cad.autocad passes 183:15
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                               RESULT
	   unmoderated group comp.cad.autocad passes 183:15

There were 183 YES votes and 15 NO votes, for a total of 198 valid votes. 
There were 2 abstains and 3 invalid ballots.

For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO)
votes.   There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes. 

There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.  If no
serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of
news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter.


Newsgroups line:
comp.cad.autocad        AutoDesk's AutoCAD software.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting
questions only contact [email protected]  For questions about the
proposed group contact Ben Olasov <[email protected]>.


CHARTER

The discussion of issues relating to the use of AutoDesk's AutoCad
software product.  This includes questions and answers of a technical
nature regarding, and discussions regarding, technical issues related
to usages of AutoCad within a research or industrial context.  Posting
of source code for any of AutoCad's programmiing extensions is both
permitted and encouraged in moderation, particularily in response to a
query.  Advertising, while not encouraged, is permitted to the extent
that it coonstitutes valid information about the availability of
technologies relevant to AutoCad.  Normally, messages having a content
which tends to promote a particular product or service are acceptable
only as responses to reader queries.

alt.cad.autocad is presently bidirectionally gatewayed to the Bitnet
redistribution list AUTOCAD, and will continue to be gatewayed under
the name comp.cad.autocad should the new group be created.

alt.cad.autocad is presently not carried by a large number of sites
simply by virtue of its membership in the alt hierarchy which suffers
>from a widespread perception among Internet administrators of
fostering superfluous newsgroups devoid of validity as information
resources.  As such, these negative linkages have effectively
prevented alt.cad.autocad from reaching many potential readers.  This
conclusion is evinced by a recent Usenet readership summary [posted to
news.lists] which finds that a mere 58% of Usenet sites receive
alt.cad.autocad at all.


comp.cad.autocad Final Vote Ack

Voted Yes
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[email protected]                                              Ariel V. Agustin
[email protected]                                        Bob Aduddell
[email protected]                                             a.e.mossberg
[email protected]                                       Colin R. Leech
[email protected]                                          Keith Ajmani
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[email protected]                                          Alex Flaxman
[email protected]                                           Alex L. Miller
[email protected]                                                   Alex Nemeth
[email protected]                                  Andrew J Jenkins
[email protected]                                            Andrew Purshottam
[email protected]                                             Gallo Antonio
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[email protected]                                    Alexander V. Batrakov
[email protected]                                       Roland BAUER
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[email protected]                             Broken Hill Proprietary
[email protected]                                                 B.J. Herbison
[email protected]                                           Giuseppe Bottasini
[email protected]                                      John Braden
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[email protected]                                                      Bret Young
[email protected]                                           Casimiro Poblacion
[email protected]                                    Charles Wm. Albrecht
[email protected]                                           Chris Harris
[email protected]                                  Christopher C. Hill
[email protected]                                       CLAFLIN  DAVID
[email protected]                                      Peter Clark
[email protected]                                        David G. Booth
[email protected]                                              Chris Royston
[email protected]                                               Christopher Ward
[email protected]                                         Lee W. Thomas
[email protected]                                           Dale Stilwell
[email protected]                                       Darren Young
[email protected]                                            David McCollough
[email protected]                                               Alan Davis
[email protected]                                                    Dale Evans
[email protected]                                         CADD ES Daryl Kraus
[email protected]                                          Dan Norman
[email protected]                                                      Donald Pirl
[email protected]                                                Dan Smith
[email protected]                                                 Duff Kurland
[email protected]                                               Jay Dunlap
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[email protected]                                            Erwin Zierler
[email protected]                                      E. M. WORLEY
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[email protected]                                                 DaveHatunen
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[email protected]                                     Jon Carey x4350
[email protected]                                         Jeff C. Glover
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[email protected]                                               James Held
[email protected]                                              Jim Schroff
[email protected]                                      James Chandonia
[email protected]                                                Jim Gloystein
[email protected]                                              Jari Hiltunen
[email protected]                                       Jim LaCroix
[email protected]                                               Jose M. daLuz
[email protected]                                          Joe Feldman
[email protected]                                            Joel S. Petersen
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[email protected]                                   John Raffensperger
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[email protected]                                      Kevin Lippert
[email protected]                         Kevin Mullane
[email protected]                                          Branislav Kovacevic
[email protected]                                        Martin Schroeder
[email protected]                                      Larry Moorhead
[email protected]                                                 LeRoy E. House
[email protected]                                            Jiandong Liang
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[email protected]                                                 Michael Castle
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[email protected]                                              Walker MT
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[email protected]                                       Nicholas Napp
[email protected]                                           Nils-Joar Hoimyr
[email protected]                                         Benjamin Olasov
[email protected]                                   Paul Rozmarynowski
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[email protected]                                               Paul Hoffman
[email protected]                                           Pierre Malraison
[email protected]                            Heiko Ploehn
[email protected]                                   Michael J. Quinn
[email protected]                                  Agrawal, Rajiv
[email protected]                                                  Dan Reynolds
[email protected]                                       Bob E Harold
[email protected]                                             Richard Owen
[email protected]                                            Robert Kamins
[email protected]                                                 Rip Kirby
[email protected]                                        Richard A. Magahiz
[email protected]                                           Ross MacDonald
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[email protected]                                                    Rob Fjerstad
[email protected]                                     Roberto Baroncini
[email protected]                                          Rui Soto Marta
[email protected]                                     R. Spencer Ramshaw
[email protected]                                         Richard Thomas
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[email protected]                                         Robert Zimdar
[email protected]                    S.M.Sabri S.M.Ismail
[email protected]                                                Steve Brunberg
[email protected]                                              Art Schrader
[email protected]                                 Markus Selve
[email protected]                                             Sergio Franco
[email protected]                                             Steven M. Goolsby
[email protected]                                    Mark Shymanski
[email protected]                                        David R. Smith
[email protected]                                      Stephen Schutt
[email protected]                                        Terry Rawkins
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[email protected]                                         Chuck Stanley
[email protected]                                Steve Hernandez
[email protected]                                                  Steve Wong
[email protected]                                              Timothy Child
[email protected]                                           Theodore F. Vaida ][
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[email protected]                                      Darren/Torin/Who ever...
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[email protected]                                          Michael Drury
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[email protected]                                       Leonard Sciarra
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[email protected]                                             Ken Weaverling
[email protected]                   John L Webb -- Personal Account
[email protected]                                     Christoph Weise
[email protected]                                        Wayne Green
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[email protected]                                                         Wm Leler
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[email protected]                     Dave Shariff Yadallee

Voted No
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[email protected]                         Stefan Antersberger
[email protected]                                       Brian Newell
[email protected]                              Chris 'Action' Jackson
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[email protected]                                                   Peter Campbell
[email protected]                                        Michael Fredericks
[email protected]                                  Sean P. Ryan
[email protected]                                                Ian Jackson
[email protected]                                     John R. MacWilliamson
[email protected]                                          Miles Constable
[email protected]                                             Richard H. Miller
[email protected]                                                Siamak Ansari
[email protected]                                         Smarasderagd
[email protected]                                               Steve Rogers
[email protected]                                                  Dwight Brown

Abstained
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[email protected]                                            Eric C. Carlson
[email protected]                                          Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS


Votes in error
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[email protected]                                      Accelerated Technologies Inc.
   ! Conflicting votes
[email protected]                                                       Dan Large
   ! Conflicting votes
[email protected]                                                              
   ! Conflicting votes

 
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