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From [email protected] Fri Feb  4 16:13:40 1994
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From: [email protected] (Steven Miale)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.lang.misc
Subject: RFD: comp.lang.python
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Request For Discussion: comp.lang.python

Purpose
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The newsgroup will be for discussion on the Python computer language.
Possible topics include requests for information, general programming,
development, and bug reports. The group will be unmoderated.


What is Python?
---------------

Python is a relatively new very-high-level language developed in
Amsterdam.  Python is a simple, object-oriented procedural language,
with features taken from ABC, Icon, Modula-3, and C/C++.

Its central goal is to provide the best of both worlds: the dynamic
nature of scripting languages like Perl/TCL/REXX, but also support for
general programming found in the more traditional languages like Icon,
C, Modula,...

Python may be FTP'd from the following sites:

	ftp.cwi.nl in directory /pub/python (its "home site", also has a FAQ)
	ftp.uu.net in directory /languages/python
	gatekeeper.dec.com in directory /pub/plan/python/cwi


Rationale
---------

Currently there is a mailing list with over 130 subscribers.
The activity of this list is high, and to make handling the
traffic more reasonable, a newsgroup is being proposed. We
also feel that comp.lang.misc would not be a suitable forum
for this volume of discussion on a particular language.


Charter
-------

Comp.lang.python is an unmoderated newsgroup which will serve
as a forum for discussing the Python computer language. The
group will serve both those who just program in Python and
those who work on developing the language. Topics that
may be discussed include:

	- announcements of new versions of the language and
	  applications written in Python.

	- discussion on the internals of the Python language.

	- general information about the language.

	- discussion on programming in Python.


Discussion
----------

Any objections to this RFD will be considered and, if determined
to be appropriate, will be incorporated. The discussion period
will be for a period of 21 days after which the first CFV will be
issued.

From [email protected] Wed Feb 16 17:44:17 1994
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Steven Miale)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.lang.misc,comp.lang.icon,comp.lang.modula3,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++
Subject: 2nd RFD: comp.lang.python
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Date: 16 Feb 1994 14:34:17 -0500
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Second Request For Discussion: comp.lang.python

Purpose
-------

The newsgroup will be for discussion on the Python computer language.
Possible topics include requests for information, general programming,
development, and bug reports. The group will be unmoderated.


What is Python?
---------------

Python is a relatively new very-high-level language developed in
Amsterdam.  Python is a simple, object-oriented procedural language,
with features taken from ABC, Icon, Modula-3, and C/C++.

Its central goal is to provide the best of both worlds: the dynamic
nature of scripting languages like Perl/TCL/REXX, but also support for
general programming found in the more traditional languages like Icon,
C, Modula,...

Python may be FTP'd from the following sites:

	ftp.cwi.nl in directory /pub/python (its "home site", also has a FAQ)
	ftp.uu.net in directory /languages/python
	gatekeeper.dec.com in directory /pub/plan/python/cwi


Rationale
---------

Currently there is a mailing list with over 130 subscribers.
The activity of this list is high, and to make handling the
traffic more reasonable, a newsgroup is being proposed. We
also feel that comp.lang.misc would not be a suitable forum
for this volume of discussion on a particular language.


Charter
-------

Comp.lang.python is an unmoderated newsgroup which will serve
as a forum for discussing the Python computer language. The
group will serve both those who just program in Python and
those who work on developing the language. Topics that
may be discussed include:

	- announcements of new versions of the language and
	  applications written in Python.

	- discussion on the internals of the Python language.

	- general information about the language.

	- discussion on programming in Python.


Discussion
----------

Any objections to this RFD will be considered and, if determined
to be appropriate, will be incorporated. The discussion period
will be for a period of 21 days after which the first CFV will be
issued.

From [email protected] Thu Feb 24 17:55:02 1994
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Andrew Solovay)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.lang.misc
Subject: CFV: comp.lang.python
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                     FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
                  unmoderated group comp.lang.python

Newsgroups line:
comp.lang.python        The Python computer language.

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 GMT, 17 March 1994.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting
questions only contact [email protected]  For questions about the
proposed group contact [email protected] (Steven Miale).

The vote-taker will post each CFV to the Python mailing list at
[email protected] shortly after it is posted to
news.announce.newsgroups. He will send an abridged RESULT posting
(without the full list of voters) to the mailing list after voting
ends; the full RESULTs will be posted to all the newsgroups where the
CFV was posted.

CHARTER

  Comp.lang.python is an unmoderated newsgroup which will serve
  as a forum for discussing the Python computer language. The
  group will serve both those who just program in Python and
  those who work on developing the language. Topics that
  may be discussed include:

        - announcements of new versions of the language and
          applications written in Python.

        - discussion on the internals of the Python language.

        - general information about the language.

        - discussion on programming in Python.

RATIONALE

  Python is a relatively new very-high-level language developed in
  Amsterdam.  Python is a simple, object-oriented procedural language,
  with features taken from ABC, Icon, Modula-3, and C/C++.

  Its central goal is to provide the best of both worlds: the dynamic
  nature of scripting languages like Perl/TCL/REXX, but also support for
  general programming found in the more traditional languages like Icon,
  C, Modula,...

  Currently there is a mailing list with over 130 subscribers.
  The activity of this list is high, and to make handling the
  traffic more reasonable, a newsgroup is being proposed. We
  also feel that comp.lang.misc would not be a suitable forum
  for this volume of discussion on a particular language.

HOW TO VOTE

Send MAIL to: [email protected] 

Just "Replying" to this post should work if you are not reading this
on a mailing list, and if your newsreader honors the "reply-to" line.
Double-check the address before sending your ballot.

Your mail message should contain one of the following statements:

      I vote YES on comp.lang.python
      I vote NO on comp.lang.python

You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome.
Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The
votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge-
ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again.
It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered
correctly.

Each person may vote only once, no matter how many accounts he or she
may have. Also, only one ballot will be accepted from any account, no
matter how many people may share it. If more than one vote is received
>from any person or any account, only the last vote received will be
counted.

Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final
voting results list. All ballots received are kept in the UVV archives
(including "cancelled" and invalid ballots). The vote files are made
available to the moderator of news.announce.newgroups on request. They
may also, at the discretion of the UVV, be made more widely available
if there is a controversy concerning the vote.

From [email protected] Wed Mar  9 23:35:24 1994
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Andrew Solovay)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.lang.misc
Subject: 2nd CFV: comp.lang.python
Supersedes: <[email protected]>
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                     LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
                  unmoderated group comp.lang.python

Newsgroups line:
comp.lang.python        The Python computer language.

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 GMT, 17 March 1994.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting
questions only contact [email protected]  For questions about the
proposed group contact [email protected] (Steven Miale).

The vote-taker will post each CFV to the Python mailing list at
[email protected] shortly after it is posted to
news.announce.newsgroups. He will send an abridged RESULT posting
(without the full list of voters) to the mailing list after voting
ends; the full RESULTs will be posted to all the newsgroups where the
CFV was posted.

CHARTER

  Comp.lang.python is an unmoderated newsgroup which will serve
  as a forum for discussing the Python computer language. The
  group will serve both those who just program in Python and
  those who work on developing the language. Topics that
  may be discussed include:

        - announcements of new versions of the language and
          applications written in Python.

        - discussion on the internals of the Python language.

        - general information about the language.

        - discussion on programming in Python.

RATIONALE

  Python is a relatively new very-high-level language developed in
  Amsterdam.  Python is a simple, object-oriented procedural language,
  with features taken from ABC, Icon, Modula-3, and C/C++.

  Its central goal is to provide the best of both worlds: the dynamic
  nature of scripting languages like Perl/TCL/REXX, but also support for
  general programming found in the more traditional languages like Icon,
  C, Modula,...

  Currently there is a mailing list with over 130 subscribers.
  The activity of this list is high, and to make handling the
  traffic more reasonable, a newsgroup is being proposed. We
  also feel that comp.lang.misc would not be a suitable forum
  for this volume of discussion on a particular language.

HOW TO VOTE

Send MAIL to: [email protected] 

Just "Replying" to this post should work if you are not reading this
on a mailing list, and if your newsreader honors the "reply-to" line.
Double-check the address before sending your ballot.

Your mail message should contain one of the following statements:

      I vote YES on comp.lang.python
      I vote NO on comp.lang.python

You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome.
Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The
votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge-
ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again.
It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered
correctly.

Each person may vote only once, no matter how many accounts he or she
may have. Also, only one ballot will be accepted from any account, no
matter how many people may share it. If more than one vote is received
>from any person or any account, only the last vote received will be
counted.

Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final
voting results list. All ballots received are kept in the UVV archives
(including "cancelled" and invalid ballots). The vote files are made
available to the moderator of news.announce.newgroups on request. They
may also, at the discretion of the UVV, be made more widely available
if there is a controversy concerning the vote.

BOUNCE LIST (as of March 7, 1994)
===========

The following people sent valid EMail ballots to me, but my EMail
acknowledgement to them bounced. You need not resend your vote; your
ballot has been accepted. If you would like to double-check how you
voted, send EMail to <[email protected]>.

unmoderated group comp.lang.python Bounce Ack List
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From [email protected] Thu Mar 24 18:07:13 1994
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Andrew Solovay)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.lang.misc
Subject: RESULT: comp.lang.python passes 241:27
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				RESULT
	   unmoderated group comp.lang.python passes 241:27

There were 241 YES votes and 27 NO votes, for a total of 268 valid votes.

For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO)
votes.   There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes. 

There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.  If no
serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of
news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter.


Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT, 17 March 1994.

This vote was conducted by a neutral third party.

Vote-taker's address:		[email protected] (Andrew Solovay)
Group proponent's address:	[email protected] (Steven Miale)


Newsgroups line:
comp.lang.python        The Python computer language.

CHARTER (culled from the Call for Votes):

  Comp.lang.python is an unmoderated newsgroup which will serve
  as a forum for discussing the Python computer language. The
  group will serve both those who just program in Python and
  those who work on developing the language. Topics that
  may be discussed include:

        - announcements of new versions of the language and
          applications written in Python.

        - discussion on the internals of the Python language.

        - general information about the language.

        - discussion on programming in Python.

comp.lang.python Final Vote Ack

Voted Yes
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[email protected]                                              Aaron Jackson
[email protected]                                                    Andy Bensky
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[email protected]                                      AC Capehart
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[email protected]                                                     Alan Morse
[email protected]                                         Olivier MARCE
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[email protected]                                     Dennis Allison
[email protected]                                        Keith Amidon
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[email protected]                                    Andras Salamon
[email protected]                                             Andre v.d. Vlies
[email protected]                             Andrew McParland
[email protected]                                       anthony baxter
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[email protected]                                             Ariel Faigon
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[email protected]                                   Arthur Chance
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[email protected]                                                    Bill Baker
[email protected]                                                   Bennett Todd
[email protected]                                          Greg Boes
[email protected]                                          Brad Saxton
[email protected]                                       Brent Benson
[email protected]                                          Richard Brinkerhoff
[email protected]                                                   Bruce Perens
[email protected]                                 Toby Burnett
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[email protected]                                        Young-il Choo
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[email protected]                     Kurt Wm. Hemr (Harvard Law School)
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[email protected]                                Steven D. Majewski
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[email protected]                                                Stefan Esser
[email protected]                                         Mr. Richard Seabrook
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[email protected]                                             Shinmoe Than
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[email protected]                                        Donald Simard
[email protected]                                          Simon Michael
[email protected]                                                david sims
[email protected]                                       Sjoerd Mullender
[email protected]                                Sharan Kalwani CT/90
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[email protected]                                      Sven Rudolph
[email protected]                                    Steve Jankowski
[email protected]                                     Christopher A. Stewart
[email protected]                                                  Steve Kirsch
[email protected]                             Dan Stromberg - OAC-DCS
[email protected]                                               L. Larrabee Strow
[email protected]                                       Madduluri Sridhar
[email protected]                       Adrian Phillips (Tandem User)
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[email protected]                            Jeffrey Templon
[email protected]                                            Rich Neitzel
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Voted No
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[email protected]                                          Ada Kerman
[email protected]                                        Bulletin Board System
[email protected]                                                   
[email protected]                                Christian L Claiborn
[email protected]                                              
[email protected]                                        Bertil Jonell
[email protected]                                        Eric Dittman
[email protected]                                                Trif
HD0022%[email protected]                           Chip Dunham
[email protected]                                       James Bridson
[email protected]                                                Joel Furr
[email protected]                                                    Jordan Share
[email protected]                                          Julian Macassey
[email protected]                                                      
[email protected]                                          Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS
[email protected]                                              Nim Sudo
[email protected]                                                       Miles
[email protected]                                      Sendhil Revuluri
[email protected]                                                 Rob Vaughn
[email protected]                                                    robs
[email protected]                                               Steve Rogers
[email protected]                                                  Dwight Brown
[email protected]                                               David Reeve Sward
[email protected]                                              BEN OSTROWSKY
[email protected]                                        Ward F. Bush
[email protected]                                             wade hostler
[email protected]                                           The Iron Fist

 
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