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From [email protected] Fri Apr 14 17:44:02 1995
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From: [email protected] (J. Eric Townsend)
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Subject: RFD: comp.os.magic-cap
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REQUEST FOR  DISCUSSION (RFD)
=============================

Newsgroup    : comp.os.magic-cap
Status       : unmoderated
Distribution : world-wide
Summary      : Discussion of the Magic Cap operating system
Proposers    : [email protected]

This is a formal Request For Discussion on the creation of the newsgroups
comp.os.magic-cap.

This RFD has been posted in accordance with the Guidelines for Newsgroup
Creation. Its language is based on previously submitted RFDs. The RFD is
being cross-posted to the following relevant news groups :

news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.handhelds,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen

NOTE : Follow ups are defined to ensure that further discussion takes place in
news.groups only. Please watch this group if you are interested in the ensuing
 discussion.

CHARTER

The comp.os.magic-cap newsgroup will be open to discussion of all
subjects (programming, user experiences, rants) related to the Magic
Cap operating system from General Magic.  This would include the
topics:

* Generation/Posting/Support of a FAQ for Magic Cap.

* Discussion of Magic Cap third party hardware and software.

* Comparison between hardware platforms supporting the Magic Cap OS.

* Trading of tips for using Magic Cap on travel or in foreign countries.


RATIONALE

There are many systems available that can run the Magic Cap operating
system.  Sony and Motorola are both selling Magic Cap based personal
communicators. General Magic has announced the Magic Cap for Windows
product that provide MS Windows users with a Magic Cap platform.
Matsushita and others have announced plans to use Magic Cap as a base
operating system for personal communicators.  Many of the users and
developers (and potential users and developers) for these systems also
use the Internet as a means of communication and have been cobbling
together mailing lists and WWW servers.  The comp.os.magic-cap
newsgroup would reach a much broader audience and provide a better
forum for discussion than the loose collection of resources.


PROCEDURE

Please post any response to this message to news.groups. If you use the
followup feature on your newsreader, this should happen automatically. It is
important to understand that all discussions about the merits of this proposal
should occur on news.groups only.

-- 
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From [email protected] Mon May 15 18:18:48 1995
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Warren Lavallee)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.handhelds,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.newton.misc
Subject: CFV: comp.os.magic-cap
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                          FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
                     unmoderated group comp.os.magic-cap

Newsgroups line:
comp.os.magic-cap	Everything about General Magic's Magic Cap OS.

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 5 June 1995.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting
questions only contact Warren Lavallee <[email protected]>.  For
questions about the proposed group contact J. Eric Townsend
<[email protected]>.

DISTRIBUTION

This CFV will be cross posted to:
	comp.sys.handhelds
	comp.sys.palmtops
	comp.sys.pen
	comp.sys.newton.misc
and EMailed to:
	[email protected]
	[email protected]

CHARTER

The comp.os.magic-cap newsgroup will be open to discussion of all
subjects (programming, user experiences, rants) related to the Magic
Cap operating system from General Magic.  This would include the
topics:
* Generation/Posting/Support of a FAQ for Magic Cap.

* Discussion of Magic Cap third party hardware and software.

* Comparison between hardware platforms supporting the Magic Cap OS.

* Trading of tips for using Magic Cap on travel or in foreign countries.

RATIONALE

There are many systems available that can run the Magic Cap operating
system.  Sony and Motorola are both selling Magic Cap based personal
communicators. General Magic has announced the Magic Cap for Windows
product that provide MS Windows users with a Magic Cap platform.
Matsushita and others have announced plans to use Magic Cap as a base
operating system for personal communicators.  Many of the users and
developers (and potential users and developers) for these systems also
use the Internet as a means of communication and have been cobbling
together mailing lists and WWW servers.  The comp.os.magic-cap
newsgroup would reach a much broader audience and provide a better
forum for discussion than the loose collection of resources.

HOW TO VOTE

Send MAIL to:   [email protected]
Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.

Your mail message should contain *one* and only one of the following
statements.  DO NOT QUOTE THIS CFV IN YOUR VOTE.
      I vote YES on comp.os.magic-cap
      I vote NO on comp.os.magic-cap
      I vote ABSTAIN on comp.os.magic-cap
      I CANCEL my vote on comp.os.magic-cap

Neither ABSTAIN nor CANCEL messages are counted as votes; they serve
only to cancel any previous vote. Abstentions are noted in the final
vote list, whereas CANCEL removes your vote from that list entirely.
(This is the only difference between the two.)

Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The
votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge-
ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again.
It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.

If you later change your mind you may vote again; only your last valid
vote will count.

Standard Guidelines for voting apply: no more than one vote per person,
no more than one vote per account. If you attempt multiple votes or
other vote fraud, all your votes may be canceled and your name published.

The complete vote list will be posted with the vote result, including
how each person voted. Note that Usenet votes are not done by secret
ballot.

There will then be a five-day period during which the published vote
list may be corrected and any irregularities addressed. The
requirements for group creation are 100 more YES votes than NO votes,
and 2/3 of all counted votes being YES.

From [email protected] Mon May 29 22:35:15 1995
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Warren Lavallee)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.handhelds,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.newton.misc
Subject: 2nd CFV: comp.os.magic-cap
Supersedes: <[email protected]>
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Date: 28 May 1995 19:16:15 -0400
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                          LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
                     unmoderated group comp.os.magic-cap

Newsgroups line:
comp.os.magic-cap	Everything about General Magic's Magic Cap OS.

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 5 June 1995.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting
questions only contact Warren Lavallee <[email protected]>.  For
questions about the proposed group contact J. Eric Townsend
<[email protected]>.

DISTRIBUTION

This CFV will be cross posted to:
	comp.sys.handhelds
	comp.sys.palmtops
	comp.sys.pen
	comp.sys.newton.misc
and EMailed to:
	[email protected]
	[email protected]

CHARTER

The comp.os.magic-cap newsgroup will be open to discussion of all
subjects (programming, user experiences, rants) related to the Magic
Cap operating system from General Magic.  This would include the
topics:
* Generation/Posting/Support of a FAQ for Magic Cap.

* Discussion of Magic Cap third party hardware and software.

* Comparison between hardware platforms supporting the Magic Cap OS.

* Trading of tips for using Magic Cap on travel or in foreign countries.

RATIONALE

There are many systems available that can run the Magic Cap operating
system.  Sony and Motorola are both selling Magic Cap based personal
communicators. General Magic has announced the Magic Cap for Windows
product that provide MS Windows users with a Magic Cap platform.
Matsushita and others have announced plans to use Magic Cap as a base
operating system for personal communicators.  Many of the users and
developers (and potential users and developers) for these systems also
use the Internet as a means of communication and have been cobbling
together mailing lists and WWW servers.  The comp.os.magic-cap
newsgroup would reach a much broader audience and provide a better
forum for discussion than the loose collection of resources.

HOW TO VOTE

Send MAIL to:   [email protected]
Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.

Your mail message should contain *one* and only one of the following
statements.  DO NOT QUOTE THIS CFV IN YOUR VOTE.
      I vote YES on comp.os.magic-cap
      I vote NO on comp.os.magic-cap
      I vote ABSTAIN on comp.os.magic-cap
      I CANCEL my vote on comp.os.magic-cap

Neither ABSTAIN nor CANCEL messages are counted as votes; they serve
only to cancel any previous vote. Abstentions are noted in the final
vote list, whereas CANCEL removes your vote from that list entirely.
(This is the only difference between the two.)

Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The
votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge-
ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again.
It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.

If you later change your mind you may vote again; only your last valid
vote will count.

Standard Guidelines for voting apply: no more than one vote per person,
no more than one vote per account. If you attempt multiple votes or
other vote fraud, all your votes may be canceled and your name published.

The complete vote list will be posted with the vote result, including
how each person voted. Note that Usenet votes are not done by secret
ballot.

There will then be a five-day period during which the published vote
list may be corrected and any irregularities addressed. The
requirements for group creation are 100 more YES votes than NO votes,
and 2/3 of all counted votes being YES.

From [email protected] Tue Jun  6 18:47:02 1995
Status: RO
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Warren Lavallee)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.handhelds,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.newton.misc
Subject: RESULT: comp.os.magic-cap passes 179:21
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                                RESULT
          unmoderated group comp.os.magic-cap passes 179:21

There were 179 YES votes and 21 NO votes, for a total of 200 valid votes.
There were 3 abstains and 1 invalid ballot.

For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO)
votes.   There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.

There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.  If no
serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of
news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter.

  comp.os.magic-cap passed on Thu May 18 17:46:16 1995

Newsgroups line:
comp.os.magic-cap	Everything about General Magic's Magic Cap OS.

This vote was being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting
questions only contact Warren Lavallee <[email protected]>. For questions
about the proposed group contact J. Eric Townsend <[email protected]>.

CHARTER

The comp.os.magic-cap newsgroup will be open to discussion of all
subjects (programming, user experiences, rants) related to the Magic
Cap operating system from General Magic.  This would include the
topics:
* Generation/Posting/Support of a FAQ for Magic Cap.

* Discussion of Magic Cap third party hardware and software.

* Comparison between hardware platforms supporting the Magic Cap OS.

* Trading of tips for using Magic Cap on travel or in foreign countries.

[This collection of addresses is (C)1995 by Consultix Computer Services.
Permission is strictly NOT given to use this list or any part thereof to
make a mailing list, or for mass-mailings.  Any other use is fine.]
comp.os.magic-cap Final Vote Ack

Voted Yes
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[email protected]                                              Leene, A.
[email protected]                                          Neklan Brozensky
[email protected]                                           Manuel Veloso
[email protected]                                      L. Regius Brown
[email protected]                         VADM Andrew P. Gibbons
[email protected]                                               Tony Jones
[email protected]                                           Alan Robell
[email protected]                                                  Albert Nurick
[email protected]                                               Allan MACKINNON
[email protected]                     Andy McMullin
[email protected]                                        Andy Belk
[email protected]                           Angelique Di Schino
[email protected]                                         Simon Auyeung
[email protected]                                        ndrew Lewis Tepper
[email protected]                                              Asif Taiyabi
[email protected]                                                 Barry Nathan
[email protected]                                          William J. Edney
[email protected]                               Ben Burch (via RadioMail)
[email protected]                                           Bruce Horrocks
[email protected]                                                        Bill Peet
[email protected]                                               Alan K Biocca
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[email protected]                          Lawrence R. Brandt
[email protected]                                                         Brian
[email protected]                                               Brenda Holloway
[email protected]                                        Brian Goldberg
[email protected]                                       Bruce Barrett
[email protected]                                                     Brent Townshend
[email protected]                                               bradley g wherry
[email protected]                                            Christopher Ramos
[email protected]                                    The Delta Project
[email protected]                                            C J Silverio
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[email protected]                                      Cameron Laird
[email protected]                                         Chris Stamper
[email protected]                                         Christopher M. Goodman
[email protected]                                              Christian Colin
[email protected]                                                 Cedric Pansky
[email protected]                                               Curtis Eubanks
[email protected]                                              Chris Fine
[email protected]                                                  John Curry
[email protected]                                              Curtis Shenton
[email protected]                                             Dave Beckett
[email protected]                                      Martin Nisshagen
[email protected]                                         David B. Alford
[email protected]                                                   Dave Kloba
[email protected]                               Dean Blevins - FES OPS
[email protected]                                                    Dave Coker
[email protected]                                                      Dean Yu
[email protected]                                              David L. Ellis
[email protected]                                             Chris Derossi
[email protected]                                              Dewayne Adams
[email protected]                                                       David Mankins
[email protected]                                                 Don Woods
[email protected]                                                 Ray Rischpater
[email protected]                                                 Dave Theodore
edh@europa.com                                                      Ed Hurtley
eike@ilink.de                                                      Eike Dierks
ely@netcom.com                                                        Dave Ely
eric_berdahl@taligent.com                                         Eric Berdahl
fischer@fokus.gmd.de
Florent.Autreau@France.Sun.COM
fndry!remon@uu3.psi.com
Frederic.Stark@improve.fdn.org                                  Frederic STARK
fujisawa@st.rim.or.jp                                             Jun Fujisawa
gaillard@panix.com                                                 Ed Gaillard
Gary_Connor@advres.com                                             Gary Connor
gdignard@noc.tor.hookup.net                                     Gilles Dignard
george_wood@email.sps.mot.com
gil@microunity.com                                                   Gil Elbaz
gordon_sheridan@genmagic.com                                   Gordon Sheridan
greg@genmagic.com                                                Greg Marriott
hardy@catamount.com                                                Hardy Macia
haynes@asel.udel.edu                                               Carl Haynes
hemstree@hp-vcd.vcd.hp.com                             Charles H. Hemstreet IV
ibm@tc1030.pto.ford.com                                         Brian M. Leach
ind01696@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu
isis@netcom.com                                                     Mike Cohen
iw@canon.co.uk                                                   Ian Wilkinson
jaek@spk41.usace.mil                                                   Jae Kim
jamest@netspace.net.au                                       James Thevathasan
JBENSMAN@tad.eds.com                                             Bensman, Jeff
jck@iiidns.iii.org.tw                                           Jiun-Chung Kuo
jennine@aimla.com                                             Jennine Townsend
jet@abulafia.genmagic.com                                     J. Eric Townsend
jg@meer.meer.net                                              John Giannandrea
jhayashi@notable.com                                               Joe Hayashi
jhoward@solar.sky.net                                              John Howard
Jim_Niemann@servera.meridiantc.com                                 Jim Niemann
John.Fuchs-Chesney@meiko.sf.ca.us                           John Fuchs-Chesney
jomac@dbug.org                                                  Joe McAllister
jonboy@io.org                                                           Jonboy
jorb@mcs.com                                                        Jor Bratko
JSnodgrass@aol.com
jtcurran@panix.com                                                 John Curran
jvk@ts.umu.se                                                Johan van Ketwich
jvp@ananda.wdgarl.wes.mot.com                                  Jim Van Peursem
karun@faline.bellcore.com                                       N. Karunanithi
keith@cognisense.com                                                Keith Wood
kenji_armstrong@genmagic.com                                   Kenji Armstrong
kenshi@grfn.ORG                                                     Tony Hayes
kerskine@ftp.com                                                 Keith Erskine
kieran@mahal.genmagic.com                                      Kieran Sherlock
kigntut@pothole.com                                            Donald Eastlake
kimketo@utu.fi                               Kimmo Ketolainen +358 40 500 2957
kula@netcom.com                                                     Kula Corp.
kvogt@rtc.gov                                                    Keith T. Vogt
l15d@zfn.uni-bremen.de                                        Martin Schroeder
lee@pixar.com                                                      Lee Unkrich
leeAnnh@lexicus.lexicus.mot.com                                LeeAnn Heringer
Lee_Block@risc.sps.mot.com
levined@ccmail.nhq.sony.com                                       David Levine
lewis@sar.usf.edu                                                 Victor Lewis
lowell@ibm.net                                                      Jon Lowell
magda%hobbes@corona.att.com
mao@TFS.COM                                                    Michael O'Brien
markn@decisionsys.com                                               Mark Novak
massagliaj@popeye.byu.edu                                       John Massaglia
Matt_Spolin@hgsi.com                                               Matt Spolin
mhoy@chipotle.genmagic.com                                            Mark Hoy
michaelc@wv.MENTORG.COM                                       Michael Cullinan
michael_cohen@eshop.com                                          Michael Cohen
might@apix.com                                                      Brad Might
mikearch@is.net                                              Michael Archuleta
mkr@panix.com                                                Michael Rosenberg
mmorgan@ccnet.com                                                  Mike Morgan
moofie@lexicus.lexicus.mot.com                                Steve Klingsporn
mteitel@igc.apc.org                                              Martin Teitel
n0ovf@vax1.mankato.msus.edu                                    Chris Schmelzer
newman@metrowerks.com                                              Dave Newman
nick@inferno.fc.hp.com                                          Nick Ingegneri
Nigel@dataman.demon.co.uk                                        Nigel Ballard
nzimmer@entergy.com
oggy@ipc.sony.co.jp                                              Hiroshi Ogino
opt3md@his.com                                                   Paul Trentham
palpha6@radiomail.net                                              Rick Tasher
paulk@usa1.com                                                   Paul Kerrigan
PDCBen@aol.com
phemant@shakti.ncst.ernet.in                              Hemant Vasant Sawant
philipj@cogs.susx.ac.uk                                           Philip Jones
Philippe.Leblanc@csee-com.fr                                  Philippe Leblanc
phil_goldman@genmagic.com                                         Phil Goldman
pierre@best.com                                                 Pierre Omidyar
pshuang@MIT.EDU
psrc@cmprime.att.com                                         Paul S R Chisholm
pumph@filbert.corp.sgi.com                                       Rick Pumphrey
rayg@cs.bu.edu                                                  Raymond Gasser
rdclark@netcom.com                                               Richard Clark
rick%slime@corona.att.com
rick@irisdev.com                                                     Rick Ross
rmg@miranda.genmagic.com                                        Richard Geiger
Robert_A._Tell@troubbs.org                                      Robert A. Tell
robo2@halcyon.com                                            James D Robertson
rtsuk@meer.net                                                        Rob Tsuk
rvmeenen@consultdata.knoware.nl                          Robbert J. van Meenen
satz@cisco.com                                                       Greg Satz
scadle@umich.edu                                                Scott R. Cadle
sclafani@chipotle.genmagic.com                                Michael Sclafani
scott_t@ix.netcom.com                                             Scott Thomas
sharpen@halcyon.com                                         Sharpened Software
Shawn_Clark@itserver.senco.com                                  Shawn C. Clark
sluzynsk@solar.sky.net                                          Steve Luzynski
smirer@netcom.com                                                  Scott Mirer
smith@minerva.cis.yale.edu
snowakowski@VNET.IBM.COM                                      Steve Nowakowski
ssolon@escape.com                                                 Samuel Solon
steve@maller.com                                                  Steve Maller
tbranham@mm.wellesley.edu                                          Tom Branham
techman@io.org                                                     David Szego
TeddyTheBear@magnet.at                                             Hannes WOLF
timo@genmagic.com                                                   Timo Bruck
webb+@cmu.edu                                                       Jon A Webb
WILKENS_THOMAS@Tandem.COM
wiseman@ix.netcom.com                                                       83
yjc@po.cwru.edu                                                    Jerome Chan
zellers@firstperson.com                                          Steve Zellers
zeren@clipper.ens.fr                                                Mark Zeren
zstern@mv.us.adobe.com                                            Zalman Stern

Voted No
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ananda@cs.utexas.edu                                             Ananda M. Kar
cdi@slip.net                                                        Steve Mann
csaamw@urc.tue.nl                                               Michiel Wijers
cward@Think.COM                                               Christopher Ward
fmc@aphasia.us.com                                             Frank McConnell
iwj10@cus.cam.ac.uk                                                Ian Jackson
jim.poston@megasystem.com                                           Jim Poston
jvittal@gte.com                                                    John Vittal
khan@JTP.CS.NYU.EDU                                               Hasnain Khan
kim@shell.portal.com                                              Kim DeVaughn
mb@agar.oche.de                                                 Marcus Breiing
patl@lcs.mit.edu                                           Patrick J. LoPresti
radrayer@panix.com                                              Rebecca Drayer
rew@CrystalData.COM                                               Ryan Waldron
rick@bcm.tmc.edu                                             Richard H. Miller
smarry@turing.toronto.edu                                         Smarasderagd
sobi@mcs.com                                                        Lee Sobier
stainles@bga.com                                                  Dwight Brown
tgm@netcom.com                                            Thomas G. McWilliams
WFCB/WFCB1/HeringerMR%Western_Farm_Credit_Bank@mcimail.com    Heringer, Mark R
widenius@cc.helsinki.fi                                         Risto Widenius

Abstained
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crouchkp@flidh101.delcoelect.com                              Kenneth P Crouch
mmt@RedBrick.COM                                          M Mike Taksar KC6ZPS
otto@vaxb.acs.unt.edu                                                  M. Otto


Votes in error
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choke@nbn.com                                                   Creighton Hoke
   ! Conflicting votes

 
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