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Computer Underground Digest (M) ( comp.society.cu-digest )
 
From [email protected] Fri Jun 19 13:20:12 1992
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From: [email protected] (Chip Rosenthal)
Subject: RFD: comp.society.cu-digest
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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Organization: Unicom Systems Development, Austin, TX
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1992 04:06:09 GMT
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    PROPOSAL:	comp.society.cu-digest (moderated)

    CHARTER:	The Computer Underground Digest

    SUMMARY:    The proposed newsgroup will be used to distributed the
		Computer Underground Digest.  The CuD is an open forum
		for issues relating to the phenomena of computer
		cracking.  It has been in publication since 1990, and
		is widely distributed in a number of electronic forms.

The Computer Underground Digest began publication in early 1990 to
discuss the issues related to computer cracking -- and the crackdown
on cracking.  Shortly thereafter, a gateway was instituted to distribute
CuD via alt.society.cu-digest.  If this proposal passes, the gateway
destination will be changed to comp.society.cu-digest and the
alt.society.cu-digest newsgroup will be decomissioned.

Since the CuD is an edited periodical (a la RISKS Digest), it is best
handled as a moderated newsgroup.  The editors of the CuD are reachable
via Internet mail at the address <[email protected]>.  That
would be used as the `mailpaths' address for the moderated group.

If you have never seen the CuD, volume 4, issue 26 was posted to
alt.society.cu-digest recently.  You might want to check it out.

I asked the editors of the CuD to contribute a brief description
for inclusion in ths RFD.  This is what they provided:

  | Computer underground Digest (or CuD) began in March, 1990, to continue
  | discussion of so-called "hacker crackdowns," especially the
  | Phrack/Craig Neidorf indictment, that Pat Townson (moderator of
  | Telecom Digest) was unable to publish. CuD's editors, Jim Thomas and
  | Gordon Meyer, assumed that CuD would be a temporary forum.  But, as
  | articles came in and the scope of the discussions expanded, CuD has
  | become an established electronic journal.
  | 
  | Although classified as a "hack-symp 'zine" by The Village Voice, CuD
  | encourages articles that reflect a diversity of opinion, politics, and
  | ideology.  CuD is an open forum dedicated to sharing information among
  | computerists and to the presentation and debate of diverse views.
  | Readers are encouraged to submit reasoned articles relating to
  | computer culture and communication.  Discussions of the legal,
  | ethical, social, and political implications of "cyberspace" and
  | computer culture provide the core of CuD articles. The editors
  | strongly encourage debate over the content and direction of computer
  | technology in contemporary society.

I am not involved in the production of the CuD in any way.  I merely
operate the gateway to distribute CuD via USENET.  This proposal is
being made with the knowledge and support of the CuD editors.  I would
be glad to answer questions regarding this RFD or the USENET gateway.
Questions regarding the content of the CuD should be directed to the
editors at <[email protected]>.  Followups have been directed
to news.groups.  Mail replies have been directed to an alias which
reaches both the moderators and myself.  If there is consensus that
this proposal is reasonable, I will bring it to a vote in approximately
two weeks.
-- 
Chip Rosenthal  512-482-8260 | Let the wayward children play.  Let the wicked
Unicom Systems Development   | have their day.  Let the chips fall where they
<[email protected]>   | may.  I'm going to Disneyland.  -Timbuk 3

From [email protected] Mon Jun 29 16:54:53 1992
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From: [email protected] (Chip Rosenthal)
Subject: 2nd RFD: comp.society.cu-digest moderated
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Followup-To: news.groups
Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence)
Reply-To: [email protected]
Organization: Unicom Systems Development, Austin, TX
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1992 19:58:13 GMT
Approved: [email protected], [email protected]
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    PROPOSAL:	comp.society.cu-digest

    CHARTER:	The Computer Underground Digest (moderated)

    SUMMARY:    The proposed newsgroup will be used to distribute the
		Computer Underground Digest.  The CuD is an open forum
		for issues relating to the phenomena of computer
		cracking.  It has been in publication since 1990, and
		is widely distributed in a number of electronic forms.
		The CuD is currently distributed via alt.society.cu-digest.
		If this proposal passes, alt.society.cu-digest will
		be decomissioned.

The initial RFD for comp.society.cu-digest was issued a week ago.
Please refer to posting <[email protected]> for
additional details on the proposal.

Discussion has been light, but entirely favorable.  To date, the only
concern raised to me is the length of the newsgroup name.  My feeling
is that this newsgroup should be anchored within `comp.society', and
about the only feasible alternative would be `comp.society.cud'.  This
issue has actually been hashed out before.  It was discussed way back
when `alt.society.cu-digest' was created, and the `cud' name was
eschewed as something more likely to do with cows.  I am certainly
open to comments and discussion on the naming issue.

Unless there are any additional concerns raised, I plan to procede to
a vote in about a week.  Please do not post or email votes at this
time, they cannot be counted until the call for votes is issued.  Thanks.
-- 
Chip Rosenthal  512-482-8260 | Let the wayward children play.  Let the wicked
Unicom Systems Development   | have their day.  Let the chips fall where they
<[email protected]>   | may.  I'm going to Disneyland.  -Timbuk 3

From [email protected] Tue Jul 14 00:49:21 1992
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From: [email protected] (Chip Rosenthal)
Subject: CFV: comp.society.cu-digest moderated
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Followup-To: poster
Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence)
Reply-To: [email protected]
Organization: Unicom Systems Development, Austin, TX
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1992 02:02:36 GMT
Approved: [email protected], [email protected]
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*** Votes will be automatically tabulated by vote counting software.
*** The instructions for submitting a vote are simple, but important.
*** Please review them carefully.  Thanks.

    PROPOSAL:	comp.society.cu-digest

    CHARTER:	The Computer Underground Digest (moderated)

    SUMMARY:    The proposed newsgroup will be used to distribute the
		Computer Underground Digest.  The CuD is an open forum
		for issues relating to the phenomena of computer
		cracking.  It has been in publication since 1990, and
		is widely distributed in a number of electronic forms.
		The CuD is currently distributed via alt.society.cu-digest.
		If this proposal passes, alt.society.cu-digest will
		be decomissioned.


To vote in favor of the proposed newsgroup:  Send an email message
to [email protected] with the word YES in the subject
of your message.

To vote against of the proposed newsgroup:  Send an email message
to [email protected] with the word NO in the subject
of your message.

The word "YES" or "NO" may be in upper or lower (or MiXeD!) case,
but it *must* appear in the Subject: header of your message.  The
body of the email message will be ignored.  The tabulating software
will send you back a confirmation indicating whether your vote
was counted as a yes or no vote, or whether it was an ambiguous
vote not counted at all.

The polls will open as soon as this message appears in
news.announce.newgroups, and will run through 11:59pm CDT on
Tuesday, August 4.  Occasional reminders will be posted during the
polling period, with a list of names acknowledging valid votes
received.  Actual vote totals will not be disclosed until after
the end of the polling period.

Please direct any inquiries regarding this vote to
[email protected]


The following description is reprinted from the original Request
for Discussion:

The Computer Underground Digest began publication in early 1990 to
discuss the issues related to computer cracking -- and the crackdown
on cracking.  Shortly thereafter, a gateway was instituted to distribute
CuD via alt.society.cu-digest.  If this proposal passes, the gateway
destination will be changed to comp.society.cu-digest and the
alt.society.cu-digest newsgroup will be decomissioned.

Since the CuD is an edited periodical (a la RISKS Digest), it is best
handled as a moderated newsgroup.  The editors of the CuD are reachable
via Internet mail at the address <[email protected]>.  That
would be used as the `mailpaths' address for the moderated group.

If you have never seen the CuD, volume 4, issue 26 was posted to
alt.society.cu-digest recently.  You might want to check it out.

I asked the editors of the CuD to contribute a brief description
for inclusion in ths RFD.  This is what they provided:

  | Computer underground Digest (or CuD) began in March, 1990, to continue
  | discussion of so-called "hacker crackdowns," especially the
  | Phrack/Craig Neidorf indictment, that Pat Townson (moderator of
  | Telecom Digest) was unable to publish. CuD's editors, Jim Thomas and
  | Gordon Meyer, assumed that CuD would be a temporary forum.  But, as
  | articles came in and the scope of the discussions expanded, CuD has
  | become an established electronic journal.
  | 
  | Although classified as a "hack-symp 'zine" by The Village Voice, CuD
  | encourages articles that reflect a diversity of opinion, politics, and
  | ideology.  CuD is an open forum dedicated to sharing information among
  | computerists and to the presentation and debate of diverse views.
  | Readers are encouraged to submit reasoned articles relating to
  | computer culture and communication.  Discussions of the legal,
  | ethical, social, and political implications of "cyberspace" and
  | computer culture provide the core of CuD articles. The editors
  | strongly encourage debate over the content and direction of computer
  | technology in contemporary society.

-- 
Chip Rosenthal  512-482-8260 | Let the wayward children play.  Let the wicked
Unicom Systems Development   | have their day.  Let the chips fall where they
<[email protected]>   | may.  I'm going to Disneyland.  -Timbuk 3



From [email protected] Mon Jul 20 17:25:56 1992
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From: [email protected] (Chip Rosenthal)
Subject: 2nd CFV: comp.society.cu-digest moderated
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Followup-To: poster
Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence)
Reply-To: [email protected]
Organization: Unicom Systems Development, Austin, TX
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 20:44:45 GMT
Approved: [email protected], [email protected]
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*** Votes will be automatically tabulated by vote counting software.
*** The instructions for submitting a vote are simple, but important.
*** Please review them carefully.  Thanks.

--> To those people who have already voted:  ackowledgement of your vote
--> has been emailed back to you.  If you have not received the ack then
--> either your vote was lost on the way here, or the ack was lost on the
--> way back.  Contact me at `cud-vote-request' (not `cud-vote'!) if you
--> have any questions.  A mass confirmation of valid votes received will
--> be posted in about a week, in the 3rd CFV message.  Thanks.

    PROPOSAL:	comp.society.cu-digest

    CHARTER:	The Computer Underground Digest (moderated)

    SUMMARY:    The proposed newsgroup will be used to distribute the
		Computer Underground Digest.  The CuD is an open forum
		for issues relating to the phenomena of computer
		cracking.  It has been in publication since 1990, and
		is widely distributed in a number of electronic forms.
		The CuD is currently distributed via alt.society.cu-digest.
		If this proposal passes, alt.society.cu-digest will
		be decomissioned.


To vote in favor of the proposed newsgroup:  Send an email message
to [email protected] with the word YES somewhere in the
subject of your message.

To vote against of the proposed newsgroup:  Send an email message
to [email protected] with the word NO somewhere in the
subject of your message.

The word "YES" or "NO" may be in upper or lower (or MiXeD!) case,
but it *must* appear somewhere in the Subject: header of your message.
The body of the email message will be ignored.  The tabulating software
will send you back a confirmation indicating whether your vote was
counted as a yes or no vote, or whether it was an ambiguous vote not
counted at all.

The polls are currently open, and votes are being accepted now through
11:59pm CDT on Tuesday, August 4.  Occasional reminders will be posted
during the polling period, with a list of names acknowledging valid
votes received.  Actual vote totals will not be disclosed until after
the end of the polling period.

Please direct any inquiries regarding this vote to
[email protected]

Please refer to the original CFV or RFD for additional information
on the newsgroup proposal.
-- 
Chip Rosenthal  512-482-8260 | Let the wayward children play.  Let the wicked
Unicom Systems Development   | have their day.  Let the chips fall where they
<[email protected]>   | may.  I'm going to Disneyland.  -Timbuk 3

From [email protected] Tue Jul 28 17:19:33 1992
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From: [email protected] (Chip Rosenthal)
Subject: 3rd CFV and VOTE ACK: comp.society.cu-digest moderated
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Followup-To: poster
Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence)
Reply-To: [email protected]
Organization: Unicom Systems Development, Austin, TX
References: <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:25:09 GMT
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--> This is the final call for votes.  If you have not participated or
--> if your name does not appear in the list below, please get you vote
--> in by Aug 4.

*** Votes will be automatically tabulated by vote counting software.
*** The instructions for submitting a vote are simple, but important.
*** Please review them carefully.  Thanks.

    PROPOSAL:	comp.society.cu-digest

    CHARTER:	The Computer Underground Digest (moderated)

    SUMMARY:    The proposed newsgroup will be used to distribute the
		Computer Underground Digest.  The CuD is an open forum
		for issues relating to the phenomena of computer
		cracking.  It has been in publication since 1990, and
		is widely distributed in a number of electronic forms.
		The CuD is currently distributed via alt.society.cu-digest.
		If this proposal passes, alt.society.cu-digest will
		be decomissioned.

To vote in favor of the proposed newsgroup:  Send an email message
to [email protected] with the word YES somewhere in the
subject of your message.

To vote against of the proposed newsgroup:  Send an email message
to [email protected] with the word NO somewhere in the
subject of your message.

The word "YES" or "NO" may be in upper or lower (or MiXeD!) case,
but it *must* appear somewhere in the Subject: header of your message.
The body of the email message will be ignored.  The tabulating software
will send you back a confirmation indicating whether your vote was
counted as a yes or no vote, or whether it was an ambiguous vote not
counted at all.

The polls are currently open, and votes are being accepted now through
11:59pm CDT on Tuesday, August 4.  Occasional reminders will be posted
during the polling period, with a list of names acknowledging valid
votes received.  Actual vote totals will not be disclosed until after
the end of the polling period.

Please direct all inquiries regarding this vote to
[email protected]  (Please do not mail votes to
that address -- use [email protected]' for votes.)

Please refer to the original CFV or RFD for additional information
on the newsgroup proposal.

As of Friday 7/23 at 22:50 CDT, 209 votes have been received.  Two of
those votes are ambigiuous and will not be counted in the total.  They
are:

  [email protected]                      Sven Heinicke
  [email protected]               TSUNETOMI

The remaining 207 votes have been tabulated as valid.  Duplicate votes
have been manually removed, and any duplicates in the following list
are mistakes and should be brought to the vote taker's notice.  (In
the event of duplicates, the last received unambiguous vote has been
counted.)  Valid votes have been received from the following people:

  [email protected]                    Anne Balsamo
  [email protected]                  andrew farmer
  [email protected]                   Adrian Cox
  [email protected]                  Mike Swiston
  [email protected]              Dave Grebe
  [email protected]            Andy Finkenstadt
  [email protected]                      Antti Autio
  [email protected]                  
  [email protected]                   Alan Ralph
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  [email protected]              Matthew Mcgehrin
  [email protected]                      David Barr
  [email protected]              Barrett P. Eynon
  [email protected]              Michael H. Riddle
  [email protected]                     Elizabeth Schwartz
  [email protected]                 William F. Mullin
  [email protected]                             Bill Kennedy
  [email protected]                Bill McCormick
  [email protected] Austin Phelps
  [email protected]                  
  [email protected]                 James Salsman
  [email protected]                          Brendan Kehoe
  [email protected]                        
  [email protected]                   bryan o'connor
  [email protected]                Eric Hunt
  [email protected]                    
  [email protected]                        Bryan Buus
  [email protected]                 davies
  [email protected]         Bruce W. Mohler
  [email protected]                    
  [email protected]                    
  [email protected]                    Chris Galas
  [email protected]                  Christopher Horn
  [email protected]                              Christopher Davis
  [email protected]           
  [email protected]_nephi.bxbmts.bxb.MTS.dec.com     "Ken Coar - Ce que je fais est secre
  [email protected]                Andrei Cogan
  [email protected]                         
  [email protected]                "Ofer Inbar"
  [email protected]                     Roger Crew
  [email protected]                   Joel C. Justen
  [email protected]                   Ryker O' Shea
  [email protected]                       
  [email protected]       Coyt D Watters
  damon@umbc3.umbc.edu                     Mr. Damon Kelly
  david@IRIS.CLAREMONT.EDU                 David Hoekman
  del@ecn.purdue.edu                       de l`abattoir
  dhesi@cirrus.com                         Rahul Dhesi
  djoyce@black.clarku.edu                  Dave Joyce
  dk@cs.kiev.ua                            Dmitry S. Kohmanyuk
  dkyburz@techdata.com                     
  dnelson@icaen.uiowa.edu                  David Nelson
  doug@telerama.pgh.pa.us                  Doug Luce
  drac@terret.NMSU.Edu                     
  drlecter%admiral.UUCP@CS.YALE.EDU        
  dsinet!marka@rutgers.edu                 Mark Anacker
  dstalder@gmuvax2.gmu.edu                 Darren Stalder
  dweber@urbana.mcd.mot.com                Daniel Weber
  dwfraser@mailbox.syr.edu                 Wally
  eab@msc.edu                              Edward Bertsch
  eck@saul.cis.upenn.edu                   Brian Eck
  edward@pro-ren.cts.com                   
  efs@summa4.MV.COM                        Ed Sinamark
  ELE@PSUVM.PSU.EDU                        "jeremy"
  elitman@wam.umd.edu                      Eric A. Litman
  emr@mullian.ee.Mu.OZ.AU                  "Elizabeth M. Reid"
  emv@msen.com                             Edward Vielmetti
  eravin@panix.com                         Ed Ravin
  ericl@ocean.washington.edu               Eric Lundquist
  ewen@naos.actrix.gen.nz                  Ewen McNeill
  font@chinug.acns.nwu.edu                 Dwight Lee
  fore@athena.cs.uga.edu                   Howard Fore
  gabe@angus.mi.org                        B. Gabriel Helou
  ggw@wolves.Durham.NC.US                  Gregory G. Woodbury
  gjb@bullit.void.oz.au                    Greg Black
  greer@sunblock.gsfc.nasa.gov             Greg Greer
  gswan@psych.toronto.edu                  
  hagar@hagki.toppoint.de                  Oliver Fink
  hansonk@spot.Colorado.EDU                "   @}->-->---"
  howell@grover.llnl.gov                   Louis Howell
  hronicek@CERF.NET                        Fred Hronicek
  hrose@eff.org                            Helen Trillian Rose
  hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu                   Matt Hucke
  infoage!bradcox@hsi.hsi.com              Brad Cox
  jake@melmac.umd.edu                      Rob Borsari
  janl@ifi.uio.no                          Jan Nicolai Langfeldt
  jds@hardy.math.okstate.edu               Jennifer Smith
  jeff@freedom.NMSU.Edu                    
  jerry@teetot.acusd.edu                   Jerry Stratton
  jesup@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com           Randell Jesup
  jfritz@rdrc.rpi.edu                      
  jgd@csd4.csd.uwm.edu                     John G Dobnick
  jhawk@panix.com                          John Hawkinson
  jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca               John Henders
  jhl@naif.Jpl.Nasa.Gov                    
  jim@kf5iw.lonestar.org                   Jim Blocker
  jkyser@netcom.com                        Jeff Kyser
  jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu             Jay Maynard
  jmcarli@srv.PacBell.COM                  Jerry M. Carlin
  john@rtfm.mlb.fl.us                      John M. Blasik
  jonm@microsoft.com                       
  jpugh@apple.com                          Jon Pugh
  jss@goessel.b17d.ingr.com                Jeff Shelly
  jstewart@sdl.psych.wright.edu            John M. Stewart-
  juts.ccc.amdahl.com!ked01@hellgate.utah. Kim DeVaughn
  jvs@portal.vpharm.com                    James Schultz
  kanderso@reed.edu                        Karl Anderson
  kd2a+@andrew.cmu.edu                     Kelly Derek Deyoe
  kohler@wam.umd.edu                       Mark Kohler
  kragh@cyberia.mi.org                     Kragh J. Hertel
  Kurt.Jaeger@rus.uni-stuttgart.de         Kurt Jaeger aka PI
  langston@wam.umd.edu                     Richard B. Langston
  lefty@apple.com                          Lefty
  liz@grian.cps.altadena.ca.us             Liz Allen
  lnz@lucid.com                            Leonard N. Zubkoff
  loki@access.digex.com                    Alan Dudley
  lorrayne@smiley.mitre.org                
  luke@modus.sublink.org                   Luciano Mannucci
  Lyndon.Nerenberg@ampr.ab.ca              Lyndon Nerenberg
  M.M.L.Kuunders@research.ptt.nl           Martien Kuunders
  magnus@thep.lu.se                        Magnus Olsson
  malloy@nprdc.navy.mil                    Sean Malloy
  markc@hpcvss.cv.hp.com                   Mark F. Cook
  marko@decay.meaddata.com                 Mark Osbourne
  marmoset@mondo.engin.umich.edu           Dave Walker
  martelli@cadlab.sublink.org              Alex Martelli
  MBAYA@ANTIOC.ANTIOCH.EDU                 "Matthew J. Baya"
  mcbride@cheshire.oxy.edu                 Michael Paul McBride
  md3b+@andrew.cmu.edu                     Matthew Donald Drown
  medley@sun44.synercom.hounix.org         Bert Medley
  mic@cs.ubc.ca                            Michelangelo Grigni
  michaelb@mars.cse.fau.edu                Michael Rogero Brown
  MILLERL@WILMA.WHARTON.UPENN.EDU          "Loren J. Miller"
  miron@extropia.wimsey.bc.ca              Miron S. Cuperman
  mjb@doc.imperial.ac.uk                   Matthew Jude Brown
  mjforres@mailbox.syr.edu                 Maurice Forrester
  mkovacs@mcs.kent.edu                     
  mnemonic@eff.org                         Mike Godwin
  moore@cs.utk.edu                         
  morpheus@entropy.mcds.com                SINless
  mudrc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu                    "Daniel R. Crowson"
  n13@krypton.mankato.msus.edu             Leonard J. Schmidt
  nickless@antares.mcs.anl.gov             Bill Nickless
  nukey@oaknet.chi.il.us                   Jason Phelan
  olsen@xn.ll.mit.edu                      
  olwejo!bob@cs.utexas.edu                 Bob Kupiec
  oneil@aio.jsc.nasa.gov                   Graham O'Neil
  OTTO@vaxb.acs.unt.edu                    
  owens@cookiemonster.cc.buffalo.edu       Bill Owens
  Pat.Cain@actrix.gen.nz                   Pat Cain
  patrick1@dorsai.com                      Patrick Lee
  patrik@cup.portal.com                    
  peirce@gumby.cc.wmich.edu                Leonard J. Peirce
  petruz@uqbar.cirfid.unibo.it             Petruz Boonenkamp
  pford@unmvax.cs.unm.edu                  Paul E. Ford
  phiber@phantom.com                       Phiber Optik
  phred@well.sf.ca.us                      Fred Heutte
  plutchak@porter.geo.brown.edu            Joel Plutchak
  PMW1@PSUVM.PSU.EDU                       "Peter M. Weiss +1 814 863 1843"
  pockrand@src.honeywell.com               Mitch Pockrandt
  pringle@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au           Glen Pringle
  pshuang@Athena.MIT.EDU                   
  rac@intercon.com                         Robert A. Carolina
  rad@mogul.railnet.nshore.org             "Rick DeMattia"
  rberry@sheltie.chapel-hill.nc.us         Robert Berry
  red@uhura.neoucom.EDU                    Richard E. Depew
  rf27+@andrew.cmu.edu                     Robert Bruce Findler
  rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu             Richard H. Miller
  rmm@isr.harvard.edu                      Robert M. McPeek
  rob@wzv.win.tue.nl                       Rob J. Nauta
  root@sanger.chem.nd.edu                  Doctor Math
  rtw@mtuxj.att.com                        
  russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca      Russell Schulz
  ryan.bayne@canrem.com                    Ryan Bayne
  sandia!marms@unmvax.cs.unm.edu           Mike Arms
  SAUL_SY@hnrc.tufts.edu                   Saul Tannenbaum
  schottd@ucs.orst.edu                     Derek Schott
  scullyl@xanth.CS.ORST.EDU                Lyle Scully
  sethb@fid.Morgan.COM                     Seth Breidbart
  shrdlu@willow.sdd.trw.com                Lynda L. True
  sorensen@spl.ecse.rpi.edu                Jeffrey Sorensen
  spm2d@ash.cs.Virginia.EDU                
  sridhar@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu               Sridhar Venkataraman
  srogers@tad.eds.com                      Steve Rogers
  storm@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU               Stormbringer
  stu@valinor.mythical.com                 Stu Labovitz
  swildner@channelz.GUN.de                 Sascha Wildner
  tak@hitl.washington.edu                  "Mark Takacs (Tak)"
  tastewar@Athena.MIT.EDU                  
  tinsel@isis.cs.du.edu                    Thomas Insel
  TK0JUT2%NIU.bitnet@UICVM.UIC.EDU         Cu Digest (tk0jut2@mvs.cso.niu.edu)
  tkoppel%server@carl.org                  Ted Koppel
  torda@igc.ethz.ch                        Andrew Torda
  Troll@cup.portal.com                     
  troyer@ips.id.ethz.ch                    
  tsdavies@mailbox.syr.edu                 Real life?  Ha!
  U54418@UICVM.UIC.EDU                     
  urlichs@smurf.sub.org                    Matthias Urlichs
  vato@csv.warwick.ac.uk                   Ian Dickinson
  wb8foz@SCL.CWRU.Edu                      David Lesher
  wbmorris@eos.ncsu.edu                    ------------------------------------
  wgb@succubus.tnt.com                     William G. Bunton
  wierius!tom@enuucp.eas.asu.edu           Tom Parker
  wixer!bladex@cs.utexas.edu               David Smith
  wmf@chinet.chi.il.us                     Bill Fischer
  woj@remus.rutgers.edu                    
  zane@ddsw1.mcs.com                       Sameer Parekh
-- 
Chip Rosenthal  512-482-8260 | Let the wayward children play.  Let the wicked
Unicom Systems Development   | have their day.  Let the chips fall where they
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The comp.society.cu-digest vote is now complete.  The proposal has
passed YES=247 to NO=13.  Detailed voting results are at the end of
this message.  I believe the voting list is free of duplicate votes.
In the event of duplicate voting, the most recently received unambiguous
vote was counted.

Thanks to all who participated.


=== Note to News Administrators ==============================================

If you maintain a "mailpaths" file, the entry you should use
for the new newsgroup will be:

	comp.society.cu-digest		tk0jut2@mvs.cso.niu.edu

During a transition period of approximately on month, the CuD will be
cross-posted between the `comp' and the `alt' newsgroup.  Once the
new group is stable, I shall send out `rmgroup' messages for the `alt'
group.  Please do *not* use aliases to map the old `alt' group to the
new `comp' newsgroup.  Thanks.

==============================================================================


    PROPOSAL:	comp.society.cu-digest

    CHARTER:	The Computer Underground Digest (moderated)

    SUMMARY:    This newsgroup will be used to distribute the Computer
		Underground Digest.  The CuD is an open forum for
		issues relating to the phenomena of computer cracking.
		It has been in publication since 1990, and is widely
		distributed in a number of electronic forms.  The CuD
		has been distributed via alt.society.cu-digest.  The
		alt.society.cu-digest newsgroup will be decomissioned
		once the new newsgroup is stable.


=== OFFICIAL VOTE TALLY ===

	Total Votes Cast:      263
	Valid Votes Cast:      260
	
	Ambiguous Votes:         3 (excluded from count)
	Yes Votes:             247 (95.00% of valid votes)
	No Votes:               13 (5.00% of valid votes)
	
	Yes-No Margin:         234
	
	Percentage Test:      pass (is yes/valid >= 66.67%?)
	Margin Test:          pass (is yes-no >= 100?)
	
	VOTE RESULT:          PASS (do both tests pass?)


=== SCAN FOR DUPLICATE VOTES ===

	<no duplicates found>


=== TOP TEN VOTING DOMAINS ===

	   6 ac.uk
	   5 umd.edu
	   5 orst.edu
	   4 syr.edu
	   4 mit.edu
	   4 il.us
	   4 eff.org
	   4 cmu.edu
	   3 upenn.edu
	   3 uio.no


=== DISTRIBUTION OF VOTES RECEIVED ===

	 7/13    9  *****
	 7/14   86  ****************************************
	 7/15   29  **************
	 7/16   10  *****
	 7/17    6  ***
	 7/18    5  ***
	 7/19    5  ***
	 7/20    8  ****
	 7/21   23  ***********
	 7/22   17  ********
	 7/23    5  ***
	 7/24    3  **
	 7/25    3  **
	 7/26    0  *
	 7/27    1  *
	 7/28    6  ***
	 7/29   18  *********
	 7/30   10  *****
	 7/31    8  ****
	 8/01    2  *
	 8/02    5  ***
	 8/03    2  *
	 8/04    2  *


=== OFFICIAL VOTE RECORD ===

	Key:
	  a  ambiguous vote - discarded from total
	  n  no vote
	  y  yes vote

a sludge@oaknet.chi.il.us                  Corey Hojka
a sven@cs.widener.edu                      Sven Heinicke
a tsunetom@xanth.CS.ORST.EDU               TSUNETOMI
n aultj@rpi.edu                            Jim Ault
n avolk@Juliet.Caltech.Edu                 Andrew Robert Volk
n jesup@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com           Randell Jesup
n john@rtfm.mlb.fl.us                      John M. Blasik
n karrer@bernina.ethz.ch                   Andreas Karrer
n magnus@thep.lu.se                        Magnus Olsson
n owens@cookiemonster.cc.buffalo.edu       Bill Owens
n peirce@gumby.cc.wmich.edu                Leonard J. Peirce
n plutchak@porter.geo.brown.edu            Joel Plutchak
n srogers@tad.eds.com                      Steve Rogers
n stu@valinor.mythical.com                 Stu Labovitz
n TJW@vms.cis.pitt.edu                     "Terry J. Wood"
n tkoppel%server@carl.org                  Ted Koppel
y "kafka"@nluug.nl                         kafka@desert.hacktic.nl
y ab45@prism.gatech.edu                    Anne Balsamo
y adf@aficom.ocunix.on.ca                  andrew farmer
y adrian@robots.ox.ac.uk                   Adrian Cox
y alanc@soda.berkeley.edu                  Alan Coopersmith
y alchemy@cs1.bradley.edu                  Mike Swiston
y am471@cleveland.Freenet.Edu              Dave Grebe
y andy@homebase.vistachrome.com            Andy Finkenstadt
y Antti.Autio@otol.fi                      Antti Autio
y AOSGBAC@Ox.CalState.EDU                  
y aralph@cix.clink.co.uk                   Alan Ralph
y audrey@edi.com                           Audrey Helou
y a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com             
y ba556@cleveland.Freenet.Edu              Matthew Mcgehrin
y barr@darwin.psu.edu                      David Barr
y barry@playfair.stanford.edu              Barrett P. Eynon
y bc335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu              Michael H. Riddle
y betsys@ra.cs.umb.edu                     Elizabeth Schwartz
y bill@balrog.aecom.yu.edu                 William F. Mullin
y bill@WLK.COM                             Bill Kennedy
y billmcc@seanews.akita.com                Bill McCormick
y bilver!vicstoy!aphelps@peora.sdc.ccur.co Austin Phelps
y bjorn@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE                   Bjorn Knutsson
y blake@pro-party.cts.com                  
y bovik@delta.eecs.nwu.edu                 James Salsman
y brendan@eff.org                          Brendan Kehoe
y Bret.Johnson@p1.f1110.n226.z1.fidonet.or Bret Johnson
y brock@cs.unca.edu                        
y bryan@wupost.wustl.edu                   bryan o'connor
y bsc835!ehunt@uunet.UU.NET                Eric Hunt
y buck@sunyit.edu                          Jesse Buckley
y buhr@ccu.UManitoba.CA                    
y buus@spica.bu.edu                        Bryan Buus
y bwdavies@mailbox.syr.edu                 davies
y bwmohle@pbsdts.sdcrc.PacBell.COM         Bruce W. Mohler
y carlton@apollo.hp.com                    
y ccs@aberystwyth.ac.uk                    
y ceg@pnet51.orb.mn.org                    Chris Galas
y charlesr@wspcrd.peachtreecityga.NCR.COM  Charles Rutledge
y chip                                     Chip Rosenthal
y chorn@eastwind.mcds.com                  Christopher Horn
y ckd@eff.org                              Christopher Davis
y cklausme@jarthur.Claremont.EDU           
y coar@am_nephi.bxbmts.bxb.MTS.dec.com     "Ken Coar - Ce que je fais est secre
y coganman@ocf.Berkeley.EDU                Andrei Cogan
y cook@cps.msu.edu                         
y cos@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu                "Ofer Inbar"
y crew@CS.Stanford.EDU                     Roger Crew
y crpi!joel@uunet.UU.NET                   Joel C. Justen
y cs_e401@kingston.ac.uk                   Ryker O' Shea
y culpb@ucs.orst.edu                       
y cwatters@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu       Coyt D Watters
y damon@umbc3.umbc.edu                     Mr. Damon Kelly
y dante@tid.es                             Donn Hoffman
y david@IRIS.CLAREMONT.EDU                 David Hoekman
y david@ruc.dk                             David Stodolsky
y death@eitc.edu                           Death Devil
y del@ecn.purdue.edu                       de l`abattoir
y dhesi@cirrus.com                         Rahul Dhesi
y djoyce@black.clarku.edu                  Dave Joyce
y dk@cs.kiev.ua                            Dmitry S. Kohmanyuk
y dkyburz@techdata.com                     
y dnelson@icaen.uiowa.edu                  David Nelson
y dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz               dogbowl
y doug@telerama.pgh.pa.us                  Doug Luce
y drac@terret.NMSU.Edu                     
y drlecter%admiral.UUCP@CS.YALE.EDU        
y dsinet!marka@rutgers.edu                 Mark Anacker
y dstalder@gmuvax2.gmu.edu                 Darren Stalder
y dvdjns@hale.cts.com                      
y dweber@urbana.mcd.mot.com                Daniel Weber
y dwfraser@mailbox.syr.edu                 Wally
y eab@msc.edu                              Edward Bertsch
y eck@saul.cis.upenn.edu                   Brian Eck
y editor@chinet.chi.il.us                  Alex Zell
y edward@pro-ren.cts.com                   
y efs@summa4.MV.COM                        Ed Sinamark
y ELE@PSUVM.PSU.EDU                        "jeremy"
y elitman@wam.umd.edu                      Eric A. Litman
y emr@mullian.ee.Mu.OZ.AU                  "Elizabeth M. Reid"
y emv@msen.com                             Edward Vielmetti
y eravin@panix.com                         Ed Ravin
y ericl@ocean.washington.edu               Eric Lundquist
y ewen@naos.actrix.gen.nz                  Ewen McNeill
y fletcher@cs.utexas.edu                   Fletcher Mattox
y font@chinug.acns.nwu.edu                 Dwight Lee
y fore@athena.cs.uga.edu                   Howard Fore
y gabe@angus.mi.org                        B. Gabriel Helou
y ggw@wolves.Durham.NC.US                  Gregory G. Woodbury
y gjb@bullit.void.oz.au                    Greg Black
y gmhgate!cbp@uu3.psi.com                  Christopher Preston
y greer@sunblock.gsfc.nasa.gov             Greg Greer
y gswan@psych.toronto.edu                  
y hagar@hagki.toppoint.de                  Oliver Fink
y hansonk@spot.Colorado.EDU                "   @}->-->---"
y heiko@groucho.chemie.fu-berlin.de        Heiko Schlichting
y howell@grover.llnl.gov                   Louis Howell
y hronicek@CERF.NET                        Fred Hronicek
y hrose@eff.org                            Helen Trillian Rose
y hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu                   Matt Hucke
y infoage!bradcox@hsi.hsi.com              Brad Cox
y J87Y@VAX5.CIT.CORNELL.EDU                
y jake@melmac.umd.edu                      Rob Borsari
y jamesp@csn.org                           James Powell
y janl@ifi.uio.no                          Jan Nicolai Langfeldt
y jds@hardy.math.okstate.edu               Jennifer Smith
y jeff@freedom.NMSU.Edu                    
y jerry@teetot.acusd.edu                   Jerry Stratton
y jfritz@rdrc.rpi.edu                      
y jgd@csd4.csd.uwm.edu                     John G Dobnick
y jhawk@panix.com                          John Hawkinson
y jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca               John Henders
y jhl@naif.Jpl.Nasa.Gov                    
y jim@kf5iw.lonestar.org                   Jim Blocker
y jkyser@netcom.com                        Jeff Kyser
y jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu             Jay Maynard
y jmcarli@srv.PacBell.COM                  Jerry M. Carlin
y jonm@microsoft.com                       
y jpugh@apple.com                          Jon Pugh
y jss@goessel.b17d.ingr.com                Jeff Shelly
y jstewart@sdl.psych.wright.edu            John M. Stewart-
y justus@vipunen.hut.fi                    Juhana R{s{nen
y juts.ccc.amdahl.com!ked01@hellgate.utah. Kim DeVaughn
y jvs@portal.vpharm.com                    James Schultz
y jwt!bbs-mike@peora.sdc.ccur.com          Mike Danseglio
y jwtlai@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca               Jim W Lai
y kanderso@reed.edu                        Karl Anderson
y kd2a+@andrew.cmu.edu                     Kelly Derek Deyoe
y kohler@wam.umd.edu                       Mark Kohler
y kragh@cyberia.mi.org                     Kragh J. Hertel
y Kurt.Jaeger@rus.uni-stuttgart.de         Kurt Jaeger aka PI
y langston@wam.umd.edu                     Richard B. Langston
y larsha@ifi.uio.no                        Lars H}kedal
y lefty@apple.com                          Lefty
y liz@grian.cps.altadena.ca.us             Liz Allen
y lnz@lucid.com                            Leonard N. Zubkoff
y loki@access.digex.com                    Alan Dudley
y lorrayne@smiley.mitre.org                
y luke@modus.sublink.org                   Luciano Mannucci
y Lyndon.Nerenberg@ampr.ab.ca              Lyndon Nerenberg
y M.M.L.Kuunders@research.ptt.nl           Martien Kuunders
y malloy@nprdc.navy.mil                    Sean Malloy
y marier@blkcmb.zso.dec.com                
y markc@hpcvss.cv.hp.com                   Mark F. Cook
y marko@decay.meaddata.com                 Mark Osbourne
y markw@GVL.Unisys.COM                     Mark H. Weber
y marmoset@mondo.engin.umich.edu           Dave Walker
y martelli@cadlab.sublink.org              Alex Martelli
y marthag@Athena.MIT.EDU                   
y MBAYA@ANTIOC.ANTIOCH.EDU                 
y mcbride@cheshire.oxy.edu                 Michael Paul McBride
y md3b+@andrew.cmu.edu                     Matthew Donald Drown
y medley@sun44.synercom.hounix.org         Bert Medley
y mic@cs.ubc.ca                            Michelangelo Grigni
y michaelb@mars.cse.fau.edu                Michael Rogero Brown
y miguel@roxanne.nuclecu.unam.mx           Miguel de Icaza A.
y MILLERL@WILMA.WHARTON.UPENN.EDU          "Loren J. Miller"
y miron@extropia.wimsey.bc.ca              Miron S. Cuperman
y mjb@doc.imperial.ac.uk                   Matthew Jude Brown
y mjforres@mailbox.syr.edu                 Maurice Forrester
y mkovacs@mcs.kent.edu                     
y mnemonic@eff.org                         Mike Godwin
y moore@cs.utk.edu                         
y morpheus@entropy.mcds.com                SINless
y mudrc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu                    "Daniel R. Crowson"
y mya@tsoft.sf-bay.org                     Mark AuBuchon
y n13@krypton.mankato.msus.edu             Leonard J. Schmidt
y nickless@antares.mcs.anl.gov             Bill Nickless
y Nigel.Allen@lambada.oit.unc.edu          
y nukey@oaknet.chi.il.us                   Jason Phelan
y olsen@xn.ll.mit.edu                      
y olwejo!bob@cs.utexas.edu                 Bob Kupiec
y oneil@aio.jsc.nasa.gov                   Graham O'Neil
y OTTO@vaxb.acs.unt.edu                    
y pacs!jdearin@cs.utexas.edu               210 - John P. Dearing
y Pat.Cain@actrix.gen.nz                   Pat Cain
y patrick1@dorsai.com                      Patrick Lee
y patrik@cup.portal.com                    
y pcl@ox.ac.uk                             Paul Leyland
y petruz@uqbar.cirfid.unibo.it             Petruz Boonenkamp
y pford@unmvax.cs.unm.edu                  Paul E. Ford
y phiber@phantom.com                       Phiber Optik
y phred@well.sf.ca.us                      Fred Heutte
y PMW1@PSUVM.PSU.EDU                       "Peter M. Weiss +1 814 863 1843"
y pockrand@src.honeywell.com               Mitch Pockrandt
y PORSUPAH@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU          Porsupah
y porten@eniac.seas.upenn.edu              Jeffrey  Porten
y pringle@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au           Glen Pringle
y pshuang@Athena.MIT.EDU                   
y psrc@pegasus.att.com                     Paul S Chisholm
y rac@intercon.com                         Robert A. Carolina
y rad@mogul.railnet.nshore.org             "Rick DeMattia"
y ray.normandeau@factory.com               Ray Normandeau
y rberry@sheltie.chapel-hill.nc.us         Robert Berry
y rcarter@nyx.cs.du.edu                    Ron Carter
y red@uhura.neoucom.EDU                    Richard E. Depew
y rf27+@andrew.cmu.edu                     Robert Bruce Findler
y rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu             Richard H. Miller
y rickert@cs.niu.edu                       Neil W Rickert
y rmm@isr.harvard.edu                      Robert M. McPeek
y rob@wzv.win.tue.nl                       Rob J. Nauta
y root@sanger.chem.nd.edu                  Doctor Math
y rtw@mtuxj.att.com                        
y ruman@meroot.eng.uci.edu                 ruman
y russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca      Russell Schulz
y ryan.bayne@canrem.com                    Ryan Bayne
y sandia!marms@unmvax.cs.unm.edu           Mike Arms
y SAUL_SY@hnrc.tufts.edu                   Saul Tannenbaum
y sboyle@maths.tcd.ie                      doctorgonzo
y schottd@ucs.orst.edu                     Derek Schott
y scott.gregory@canrem.com                 Scott Gregory
y scullyl@xanth.CS.ORST.EDU                Lyle Scully
y sdobson@acpub.duke.edu                   
y sethb@fid.Morgan.COM                     Seth Breidbart
y shawn.mccullar@gate.micromed.com         Shawn Mccullar
y shrdlu@willow.sdd.trw.com                Lynda L. True
y sorensen@spl.ecse.rpi.edu                Jeffrey Sorensen
y spm2d@ash.cs.Virginia.EDU                
y sridhar@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu               Sridhar Venkataraman
y stigkr@ifi.uio.no                        Stig Rune Kristoffersen
y storm@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU               Stormbringer
y swildner@channelz.GUN.de                 Sascha Wildner
y tak@hitl.washington.edu                  "Mark Takacs (Tak)"
y tastewar@Athena.MIT.EDU                  
y tinsel@isis.cs.du.edu                    Thomas Insel
y TK0JUT2%NIU.bitnet@UICVM.UIC.EDU         Cu Digest (tk0jut2@mvs.cso.niu.edu)
y torda@igc.ethz.ch                        Andrew Torda
y Troll@cup.portal.com                     
y troyer@ips.id.ethz.ch                    
y tsdavies@mailbox.syr.edu                 Real life?  Ha!
y tsl@src.umd.edu                          
y twblvs@netcom.com                        Troy Barbee
y U54418@UICVM.UIC.EDU                     
y urlichs@smurf.sub.org                    Matthias Urlichs
y vato@csv.warwick.ac.uk                   Ian Dickinson
y vnend@Princeton.EDU                      David James
y wb8foz@SCL.CWRU.Edu                      David Lesher
y wbmorris@eos.ncsu.edu                    ------------------------------------
y weber@rhrk.uni-kl.de                     
y wgb@succubus.tnt.com                     William G. Bunton
y wierius!tom@enuucp.eas.asu.edu           Tom Parker
y wixer!bladex@cs.utexas.edu               David Smith
y wmf@chinet.chi.il.us                     Bill Fischer
y woj@remus.rutgers.edu                    
y YZKCU@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU                    Yaakov Kayman
y zane@ddsw1.mcs.com                       Sameer Parekh
y zap@netcom.com                           Paul Eastham
-- 
Chip Rosenthal  512-482-8260 | Let the wayward children play.  Let the wicked
Unicom Systems Development   | have their day.  Let the chips fall where they
<chip@chinacat.Unicom.COM>   | may.  I'm going to Disneyland.  -Timbuk 3

 
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