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Licensing ( comp.software.licensing )
 
From [email protected] Fri Jun 19 13:20:32 1992
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From: [email protected] (Marc S. Gibian)
Subject: RFD: comp.software.licensing
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Followup-To: news.groups
Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence)
Organization: Software Licensing Technology Group
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1992 04:06:24 GMT
Approved: [email protected]
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RFD: comp.software.licensing

Request for discussion regarding the creation of:  comp.software.licensing
-------------------------------------------------

  NOTE: Please everyone, do *not* respond by email to me or any
  others unless specifically requested to do so, i.e. offline
  discussions or voting when the time comes.  Note also that I
  check the newsgroup "news.groups" daily for new discussion items
  and am keeping a discussion file that gets all discussion items
  appended to it.  A summary will be posted in the upcoming "Call
  for Votes (CFV)".  All current discussion posts pertaining to
  this issue may be found in "news.groups".

Proposed Charter
----------------

This newsgroup will be a forum for discussing software
licensing technology.  It is proposed as an UNMODERATED group to
encourage the free flow of ideas and experiences with this relatively
new and very important technology.  Areas of discussion should
include:

1. Standards in the area, initially including but by no means limited
to the LS API (License Service) that was announced a few weeks ago and
endorsed by many significant players in the software product arena.

2. Experience as developers including software licensing in products,
using commercial software licensing products, or home grown solutions.

3. Experience distributing software licensed with software licensing
technology, as well as the distribution of licenses.

4. Experience as administrators of systems running software licensed
with software licensing technology.

5. Experience as users of software licensed with software licensing
technology.

Given the breadth of areas impacted by this technology, there is no
existing newsgroup which includes the audiences interested in this
technology, and thus this proposal for creating the comp.software.licensing
group.

The tenative date for closure of the discussion period is July 9, 1992.

How to respond or take part in this discussion:
-----------------------------------------------

1.  Just go to the news group "news.groups" and post your discussion
articles there.  Please make sure the post includes the new newsgroup
title "comp.software.licensing" in the subject line so all participants
can more easily find your article.

2.  Discussion items are totally open, but usually include ideas on the
group charter and the name and classification of the new newsgroup.

What's the next step:
---------------------

1.  Keep watching for new posts to "news.announce.newgroups" and in
this newsgroup for further calls for discussion and the up and coming
"Call for Votes (CFV)".

2.  During the 30 day voting period, you may request a copy of the
complete, unadulterated file containing all discussion posts, which
will result in me emailing the file to you.

3.  Unless the discussion causes an unexpected delay, the call for
votes should be posted around July 10, 1992.

As per usenet rules, followups are directed to news.groups

From [email protected] Thu Jul 16 14:41:19 1992
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From: [email protected] (Marc S. Gibian)
Subject: CFV: comp.software.licensing
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Followup-To: poster
Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1992 18:34:19 GMT
Approved: [email protected]
Lines: 101

************* 1st Call For Votes on comp.software.licensing ***************

OFFICIAL VOTING DAYS
--------------------

         Start Date: July  16, 1992
           End Date: August 6, 1992

  Votes received on or in-between these dates will be counted.  The
time/date stamp contained in the "From:" line of YOUR email will be
used to determine your offical time of voting.  MY local time or the
date/time set on my local hub when your email is received will not
be used.  Voting starts at 12:00:01am on the "Start Date", and ends at
11:59:59pm of the "End Date" (00:00:01 and 23:59:59 for those using
24 hour notation).

------------------------------------------------------------------
The 30-day discussion period is now up, so it's time for VOTING!!!
------------------------------------------------------------------

The discussion that took place contained no major objections and no
clear desire to make any changes to the original RFD.  I have appended
the RFD, minus disucssion instructions, to this CFV and will be happy
to forward all postings that where made as part of the discussion upon
email request ([email protected]).

----------------------
How to cast your vote:
----------------------

1) Send your vote via email only, using the proper SUBJECT LINE to the 
following address:

        [email protected]

2) Yes votes should use the following subject header, or something similiar:

Subject: Yes, create new comp.software.licensing newsgroup

3) No votes should use the subject header, or something similiar:

Subject: No, do not create comp.software.licensing newsgroup

4) NOTE: No content to the email message is necessary and will be
ignored if it exists.  This is because the vote is either for
complete acceptance or complete rejection of the creation of the new
newsgroup called "comp.software.licensing"

5) All votes will be acknowledge via email.

6) The results will be posted a few days after then close of the voting
period, to let email find its way through the network.

7) As per the rules, if there are more than 100 yes votes than no votes
by that date AND at least 2/3 of the total number of valid votes
received are yes votes, the newsgroup will be created.

=============================================================================
RFD: comp.software.licensing

Request for discussion regarding the creation of:  comp.software.licensing
-------------------------------------------------

  NOTE: Please everyone, do *not* respond by email to me or any
  others unless specifically requested to do so, i.e. offline
  discussions or voting when the time comes.  Note also that I
  check the newsgroup "news.groups" daily for new discussion items
  and am keeping a discussion file that gets all discussion items
  appended to it.  A summary will be posted in the upcoming "Call
  for Votes (CFV)".  All current discussion posts pertaining to
  this issue may be found in "news.groups".

Proposed Charter
----------------

This newsgroup will be a forum for discussing software
licensing technology.  It is proposed as an UNMODERATED group to
encourage the free flow of ideas and experiences with this relatively
new and very important technology.  Areas of discussion should
include:

1. Standards in the area, initially including but by no means limited
to the LS API (License Service) that was announced a few weeks ago and
endorsed by many significant players in the software product arena.

2. Experience as developers including software licensing in products,
using commercial software licensing products, or home grown solutions.

3. Experience distributing software licensed with software licensing
technology, as well as the distribution of licenses.

4. Experience as administrators of systems running software licensed
with software licensing technology.

5. Experience as users of software licensed with software licensing
technology.

Given the breadth of areas impacted by this technology, there is no
existing newsgroup which includes the audiences interested in this
technology, and thus this proposal for creating the comp.software.licensing
group.

From [email protected] Tue Jul 28 17:19:15 1992
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From: [email protected] (Marc S. Gibian)
Subject: 2nd CFV: comp.software.licensing
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Followup-To: poster
Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence)
Organization: Software Licensing Technology Group
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:24:55 GMT
Approved: [email protected]
Lines: 106

************* 2nd Call For Votes on comp.software.licensing ***************

OFFICIAL VOTING DAYS
--------------------

         Start Date: July  16, 1992
           End Date: August 6, 1992

  Votes received on or in-between these dates will be counted.  The
time/date stamp contained in the "From:" line of YOUR email will be
used to determine your offical time of voting.  MY local time or the
date/time set on my local hub when your email is received will not
be used.  Voting starts at 12:00:01am on the "Start Date", and ends at
11:59:59pm of the "End Date" (00:00:01 and 23:59:59 for those using
24 hour notation).

------------------------------------------------------------------
Voting started on July 16, so it's time to get those votes in!!!
------------------------------------------------------------------

The discussion that took place contained no major objections and no
clear desire to make any changes to the original RFD.  I have appended
the RFD, minus disucssion instructions, to this CFV and will be happy
to forward all postings that where made as part of the discussion upon
email request ([email protected]).

----------------------
How to cast your vote:
----------------------

1) Send your vote via email only, using the proper SUBJECT LINE to the 
following address:

        [email protected]

2) Yes votes should use the following subject header, or something similiar:

Subject: Yes, create new comp.software.licensing newsgroup

3) No votes should use the subject header, or something similiar:

Subject: No, do not create comp.software.licensing newsgroup

4) NOTE: No content to the email message is necessary and will be
ignored if it exists.  This is because the vote is either for
complete acceptance or complete rejection of the creation of the new
newsgroup called "comp.software.licensing"

5) All votes will be acknowledge via email.  

(please vote as soon as you are ready, all votes received between 
July 25 and August 2 will be acknowledged as soon as possible after 
August 3... I will be around, but not able to check my email during 
that interval)

6) The results will be posted a few days after then close of the voting
period, to let email find its way through the network.

7) As per the rules, if there are more than 100 yes votes than no votes
by that date AND at least 2/3 of the total number of valid votes
received are yes votes, the newsgroup will be created.

=============================================================================
RFD: comp.software.licensing

Request for discussion regarding the creation of:  comp.software.licensing
-------------------------------------------------

  NOTE: Please everyone, do *not* respond by email to me or any
  others unless specifically requested to do so, i.e. offline
  discussions or voting when the time comes.  Note also that I
  check the newsgroup "news.groups" daily for new discussion items
  and am keeping a discussion file that gets all discussion items
  appended to it.  A summary will be posted in the upcoming "Call
  for Votes (CFV)".  All current discussion posts pertaining to
  this issue may be found in "news.groups".

Proposed Charter
----------------

This newsgroup will be a forum for discussing software
licensing technology.  It is proposed as an UNMODERATED group to
encourage the free flow of ideas and experiences with this relatively
new and very important technology.  Areas of discussion should
include:

1. Standards in the area, initially including but by no means limited
to the LS API (License Service) that was announced a few weeks ago and
endorsed by many significant players in the software product arena.

2. Experience as developers including software licensing in products,
using commercial software licensing products, or home grown solutions.

3. Experience distributing software licensed with software licensing
technology, as well as the distribution of licenses.

4. Experience as administrators of systems running software licensed
with software licensing technology.

5. Experience as users of software licensed with software licensing
technology.

Given the breadth of areas impacted by this technology, there is no
existing newsgroup which includes the audiences interested in this
technology, and thus this proposal for creating the comp.software.licensing
group.

From [email protected] Tue Aug  4 16:11:14 1992
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From: [email protected] (Marc S. Gibian)
Subject: 3rd CFV: comp.software.licensing 
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Followup-To: poster
Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1992 18:38:57 GMT
Approved: [email protected]
Lines: 102

*********** 3rd and Final Call For Votes on comp.software.licensing ***********

OFFICIAL VOTING DAYS
--------------------

         Start Date: July  16, 1992
           End Date: August 6, 1992


  Votes received on or in-between these dates will be counted.  The
time/date stamp contained in the "From:" line of YOUR email will be
used to determine your offical time of voting.  MY local time or the
date/time set on my local hub when your email is received will not
be used.  Voting starts at 12:00:01am on the "Start Date", and ends at
11:59:59pm of the "End Date" (00:00:01 and 23:59:59 for those using
24 hour notation).

------------------------------------------------------------------
Only a few voting days remain so get those votes in now!!
------------------------------------------------------------------

The discussion that took place contained no major objections and no
clear desire to make any changes to the original RFD.  I have appended
the RFD, minus disucssion instructions, to this CFV and will be happy
to forward all postings that where made as part of the discussion upon
email request ([email protected]).

----------------------
How to cast your vote:
----------------------

1) Send your vote via email only, using the proper SUBJECT LINE to the 
following address:

        [email protected]

2) Yes votes should use the following subject header, or something similiar:

Subject: Yes, create new comp.software.licensing newsgroup

3) No votes should use the subject header, or something similiar:

Subject: No, do not create comp.software.licensing newsgroup

4) NOTE: No content to the email message is necessary and will be
ignored if it exists.  This is because the vote is either for
complete acceptance or complete rejection of the creation of the new
newsgroup called "comp.software.licensing"

5) All votes will be acknowledge via email.  

6) The results will be posted a few days after then close of the voting
period, to let email find its way through the network.

7) As per the rules, if there are more than 100 yes votes than no votes
by that date AND at least 2/3 of the total number of valid votes
received are yes votes, the newsgroup will be created.

=============================================================================
RFD: comp.software.licensing

Request for discussion regarding the creation of:  comp.software.licensing
-------------------------------------------------

  NOTE: Please everyone, do *not* respond by email to me or any
  others unless specifically requested to do so, i.e. offline
  discussions or voting when the time comes.  Note also that I
  check the newsgroup "news.groups" daily for new discussion items
  and am keeping a discussion file that gets all discussion items
  appended to it.  A summary will be posted in the upcoming "Call
  for Votes (CFV)".  All current discussion posts pertaining to
  this issue may be found in "news.groups".

Proposed Charter
----------------

This newsgroup will be a forum for discussing software
licensing technology.  It is proposed as an UNMODERATED group to
encourage the free flow of ideas and experiences with this relatively
new and very important technology.  Areas of discussion should
include:

1. Standards in the area, initially including but by no means limited
to the LS API (License Service) that was announced a few weeks ago and
endorsed by many significant players in the software product arena.

2. Experience as developers including software licensing in products,
using commercial software licensing products, or home grown solutions.

3. Experience distributing software licensed with software licensing
technology, as well as the distribution of licenses.

4. Experience as administrators of systems running software licensed
with software licensing technology.

5. Experience as users of software licensed with software licensing
technology.

Given the breadth of areas impacted by this technology, there is no
existing newsgroup which includes the audiences interested in this
technology, and thus this proposal for creating the comp.software.licensing
group.

From [email protected] Fri Aug  7 20:55:45 1992
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From: [email protected] (Marc S. Gibian)
Subject: RESULT: comp.software.licensing passes 140: 28
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Followup-To: news.groups
Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1992 23:34:00 GMT
Approved: [email protected]
Lines: 178

Its official, the comp.software.licensing vote has concluded and
the final tally is 140 yes votes and 28 no.  This meets the 100
more yes than no requirement, and represents better than a 2/3
yes vote.  Therefore, after the standard waiting period the
comp.software.licensing newgroup will be sent.

*********** Yes Votes *****************

"(Beat Brunner)" <[email protected]>
"D. Keith Herron" <[email protected]>
"Gordon A. Sterling" <[email protected]>
"Ian Pugsley" <"pugsley ian"@a1.meo78b.meo.MTS.dec.com>
"Keith Anderson: Software marketing, Australia & New Zealand 30-Jul-1992 1056" 
"Peter-Ch. Gentz +49 30 314 23897" <[email protected]>
"Phil Tuttiett, NZDRI" <[email protected]>
"Rob Talley (NetAdmin)" <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Dave Cline)
[email protected]
<[email protected]>
Alan Cox <[email protected]>
Alexander Mihai Popovici <[email protected]>
Andrew Stoker <[email protected]>
B.J. 20-Jul-1992 0741 <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Bill Petro)
Bob Wyman <[email protected]>
Chris Dean <[email protected]>
David Erb <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Don Miller)
EWILTS <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Ylitalo Erkki Hiomo8/4 p.50603357)
Ed Trumbull <[email protected]>
Eric Shepherd <[email protected]>
Gerri Moriarty 381-1961 04-Aug-1992 1257 <[email protected]>
Hugh LaMaster -- RCS <[email protected]>
Janet Jackson <[email protected]>
Jason May <[email protected]>
Jeff Jensen <[email protected]>
Jim Ault <[email protected]>
Jim Prall <trigraph!jimp>
John Decatur KA2QHD <[email protected]>
Lewis W Kellum <[email protected]>
Liz Allen <[email protected]>
Mark Russell <[email protected]>
Michael R Linksvayer <[email protected]>
Paul Hudson <[email protected]>
Peter Hermann <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Ari Rabinowitz, WorkStations, x6518)
Richard Elling <[email protected]>
Robert Holibaugh <[email protected]>
Roger Phillips <[email protected]>
Ryan Bayne <[email protected]>
Stewart Daniels <[email protected]>
Tak <[email protected]>
Terry Carroll <[email protected]>
Thomas Hagadorn (LRAD/FRB) <[email protected]>
Timothy VanFosson <[email protected]>
Tor Iver Wilhelmsen <[email protected]>
Vern Cole -- Systems Manager <[email protected]>
Wayne Sanders-Unrein 714-952-5773 17-Jul-1992 1019 <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Lanfranco Albani)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Andy Finkenstadt)
[email protected] (Austin G. Hastings)
[email protected] (Andrea Babini)
[email protected] (Babu Turumella)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Brian Casey)
[email protected] (Brendan Kehoe)
[email protected] (Brian Smithson)
[email protected]
[email protected]
creatv::utrop1::zwet (04-Aug-1992 1538)
[email protected] (Dan Busarow)
[email protected] (Dinah McNutt {sysadminzon})
[email protected] (Keith Rice)
[email protected] (Peter Drivas)
[email protected] (David Van Beveren)
[email protected] (Dan Wallach)
[email protected] (Edward Nemirovsky)
[email protected] (Eric Black)
[email protected] (Rod Erickson)
fromme@ipc1.rrzn.uni-hannover.dbp.de
ggw@wolves.Durham.NC.US (Gregory G. Woodbury)
gjb@bullit.void.oz.au (Greg Black)
gonzalod@amex-trs.com (Gonzalo Diethelm)
gradient!robin@uunet.uu.net
hayes@valkris.hac.com (Brian Hayes 74-35 x65129)
horen@rs.com (Jonathan B. Horen)
ilanc@mcil.comm.mot.com (Ilan Cohen)
infoage!bradcox@hsi.hsi.com (Brad Cox)
jahn@osf.org
jmuir@snll-arpagw.llnl.gov (muir james f)
jnunnele@novell.com (John Nunnely)
john@ahuriri.gen.nz (John McCombs)
john@iastate.edu
johng@cres1.anu.edu.au (John Gallant)
johnk@gordian.com (John Kalucki)
jona@iscp.bellcore.com (Jon Alperin)
kevinl@microsoft.com
kmc@netcom.com (Kevin McCarty)
len@contec.COM (Leonard Mills)
leo@ine.philips.nl
lesterw@microsoft.com
lind@a1.mscf.upenn.edu
grodberg@creatv.enet.dec.com
szabiet@lindas.enet.dec.com
curtin@r2me2.enet.dec.com
riley@ljohub.enet.dec.com
bragaw@smaug.enet.dec.com
mark@lri.rain.com (Mark Reay)
marra@samuel.ENET.dec.com (Dave Marra DTN 226-6893 04-Aug-1992 0627)
martelli@cadlab.sublink.org (Alex Martelli)
mbm@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Malcolm Mladenovic)
mealmei@srv.PacBell.COM (Mark Almeida)
medley@sun44.synercom.hounix.org (Bert Medley)
mframpto@axion.bt.co.uk
mike@pacsoft.com (Mike Stefanik)
mlaprade@viewlogic.com (Marc Laprade)
mob@apollo.hp.com (Mary Bennett)
mox@vpnet.chi.il.us (William Moxley)
mtvnec!lsoule@nec-gw.nec.com (Larry Soule)
nickless@antares.mcs.anl.gov (Bill Nickless)
ottoh3@CFSMO.Honeywell.COM (Otto Heuer #3)
parksoft!dave@inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com (David Hendrix)
pbh@Athena.MIT.EDU
pshuang@Athena.MIT.EDU
rbunten@micrognosis.co.uk
rick@vsystem.wimsey.bc.ca (Rick Vandenberg)
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
ruman@meroot.eng.uci.edu (ruman)
rwl%chronco@uunet.UU.NET (Bob Lord)
sandri@cadlab.sublink.org (Marco Sandri)
sblair@upurbmw.dell.com (Steven C. Blair "Unix Network Services")
seggers@semyam.dinoco.de (Stefan Eggers)
spr@prism.gatech.edu (STEFAN P ROTH)
srogers@tad.eds.com (Steve Rogers)
stehman@cs.clemson.edu
swildner@channelz.GUN.de (Sascha Wildner)
todd@liveware.com (Todd Anthony Nathan)
tpaquett@ita.lgc.com (Trevor Paquette)
ttl@europa.sti.fi (Timo Lehtinen)
turbo@cse.uta.edu (Chris Turbeville)
tynor@prism.gatech.edu (STEVE TYNOR)
uysal%trbilun.BITNET@pucc.Princeton.EDU (Mustafa Uysal)
wileyj@infonode.ingr.com (John Wiley)
wrkgrp!tardis!jmd@uunet.UU.NET (Joseph M DeAngelo)
ws@tools.de (Wolfgang Solfrank)

****************** NO Votes *********************

Bjorn Knutsson <bjorn@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE>
Ed Schwalenberg <ed@odi.com>
Greg Lindahl <gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU>
Jan Dj{rv <jhd@irfu.se>
Joan Eslinger <wombat@kilimanjaro.key.amdahl.com>
Neil W Rickert <rickert@cs.niu.edu>
Roland Kaltefleiter <kaltef@theo-physik.uni-kiel.dbp.de>
The System <SESSIONS@Arizona.edu>
Tom Fitzgerald <fitz@wang.com>
a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com
akerson@srg.af.mil (Pete Akerson - akerson%srg@uunet.uucp)
bashford@scripps.edu
cdr@kpc.com (Carl Rigney)
chip@chinacat.unicom.com (Chip Rosenthal)
ggw@wolves.Durham.NC.US (Gregory G. Woodbury)
hagar@hagki.toppoint.de (Oliver Fink)
ked01@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Kim DeVaughn)
mhpower@stan.mit.edu
owens@cookiemonster.cc.buffalo.edu (Bill Owens)
plutchak@porter.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller)
root@nebulus.ampr.ab.ca (Dennis S. Breckenridge)
rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Richard Kulawiec)
serges@x10siv.wariat.org (Sergio Stewart)
sharpster@hns.com (Stephen Harpster)
shimeall@cs.nps.navy.mil (timothy shimeall)
snow@netcom.com (Tim Szeliga)
weimer@renoir.jeol.com (Allan Weimer)

 
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