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From [email protected] Wed Jul  8 15:16:17 1992
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From: [email protected] (Richard Muise)
Subject: RFD: comp.sys.apple2.programmer
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Request For Discussion
=============================================


	This is a request for discussion concerning the creation of the new
newsgroup comp.sys.apple2.programmer. This is a new group to be formed for
the discussion of programming on the Apple II line of computers. The new 
group will be UNMODERATED.

	There are currently two groups serving most of the needs of the
Apple II users : comp.sys.apple2 and comp.binaries.apple2 . The later
only deals with the distribution of programs, and data pertaining to the
Apple II. The former deals with everything else. This makes it difficult
to sometimes recieve the information that programmers, and users may need,
especially if the reader has to sift through over 100 posts a day to find
the relevant information.  This
	This new group will help this problem, and act as a store house for
programming information. It is becoming difficult to find information in
this area, as the Apple II is being left behind in the computer race
dominated by IBM, Macs and Amigas. However the Apple II can't be forgotten,
as it is the dominant computer in many K-12 schools today. It is also for
this important reason that comp.sys.apple2.programmer should be created.


Proposed Charter
==============================================

	Comp.sys.apple2.programmer will be a news group where discussion of
programming techniques, programming information, and hardware information
pertaining to the Apple II line.

Topics that can be covered (there are probably many more, and there is no
restriction, or penalty for posting other topics):

	1] Programming the Apple in any language, such as C, Basic, Assembly,
Forth, and Pascal.

	2] Source code for programs that may be of interest to the Apple II
community. This could include full programs, or parts of a large algorithm.

	3] Programming and the operating systems. There can't be a discussion
of Apple programming without including the operating systems, such as Dos 3.3,
ProDOS, GS/OS, GNO, and other ones I have forgotten.

	4] Information pertaining to the Apple II hardware. This could include
memory maps, locations of important ROM locations, the discussion of GS/OS tools
that interact with hardware. This does not include topics such as : how to
install hardware, how to fix hardware, and what software is compatable with
what software. Perhaps comp.sys.apple2 could handle these topics, as it 
currently does.


What's Next ?   
================================================

	This has been the first RFD for this group. Before the new group is
formed, a discussion must occur concerning whether this group is neccessary,
and whether it should be formed UNMODERATED, and a discussion on the contained
propsed charter. I suspect that the bulk of the discussion will concern the
charter. The charter needs more input on what topics will be discussed. The
final topic (number four (4)) should be altered to what the needs of the new
group will be.

	All discussion is directed to the newsgroup news.groups, as per the 
USENET regulations concern such a RFD. Please don't forget to include the 
new group name (comp.sys.apple2.programmer) in the subject line of your posting.

	The discussion is public. Please post your feelings and opinions.
Any mail sent to me will be posted to the group news.groups . When the final
vote is to begin another message will be posted (the CFV or Call For Votes).
Then the voting will be private. The voting procedure will be posted at that
time. 
	The CFV posting will occur in about 30 days. A pre-post will be
posted to comp.sys.apple2 to insure that the people most concerned with the
discussion will have a reminder that the vote in impending.


Thank you for you time.
Richard Muise
-- 
 " Apple : Changing the world, one person at a time"
 " Friends : Don't let friends do DOS "
       881045m @ dragon.acadiau.ca
       881045m @ ace.acadiau.ca

From [email protected] Tue Aug 11 12:15:46 1992
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From: [email protected] (Richard Muise)
Subject: CFV: comp.sys.apple2.programmer
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	This is the Call for Votes for the creation of the new newsgroup 
comp.sys.apple2.programmer. This news group is about the art of programming
the Apple II line of computers, including clones (Laser,Franklin,...), and
the Mac LC Apple II emulator. This group will be unmoderated. All posting
are welcome. It is suggested that any source code be cross posted to 
comp.sources.apple2. Questions about hardware are also welcome, so long as
they in some way deal with programming the Apple II (ie memory maps, Peek, 
Poke addresses, but not "How do I add RAM to the Apple II"). The latter question
would be better handled to comp.sys.apple2.     
	This new group is also being created to help cut down on the large
bandwidth on comp.sys.apple2. For the moment it is a "catch-all" news group.
This news group, along with comp.binaries.apple2, and comp.sources.apple2
will cut the bandwidth down, while still spurring more work on the Apple II 
line.

How To Vote:
	To vote simply mail a message to [email protected] Note this
is not the same as the forwarding address (sorry). The message header should
contain the words "Yes/Create" or "No/Don't create". The mail should be explict
as to what vote you are casting. The voting starts today, and will end in 21
day, at 23:59 on Monday August 31. After the completion of the vote there is a
five day waiting period before the results will be posted to
news.announce.newgroups and comp.sys.apple2.
	Votes by proxy are not allowed. Votes posted to news groups are not
valid. 

	There must be 100 more Yes/Create votes than No/Don't create votes,
and 2/3 of the valid votes must be Yes/create for the new group to be created.
A list of valid votes, and the voters address will be posted 5 days after the
end of the vote. Only one vote per voter. Of two conflicting votes by a voter
the one dated later will supersede the former.

	Again the voting address is [email protected]
Thank you.
-- 
 " Apple : Changing the world, one person at a time"
 " Friends : Don't let friends do DOS "
       881045m @ dragon.acadiau.ca
       881045m @ ace.acadiau.ca

From [email protected] Mon Aug 24 22:22:26 1992
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From: [email protected] (Richard Muise)
Subject: 2nd CFV and VOTE ACK: comp.sys.apple2.programmer
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This is the second and last Call for Votes for the new news
group Comp.Sys.Apple2.Programmer. This unmoderated group
will cater to people interested in programming the Apple II
line of computers. It is for the starting user to the advanced
software programmer.
	The first CFV was posted August 10,1992. At the end of
this post is a mass acknowledgement of the voters who voted.
The way they voted (Yes/No) is not , and can not be implied.
	The last day for votes is August 31,1992. Votes must be
mailed to [email protected] for the vote to be valid.
	For the group to be created there must be 100 more Yes
votes then no votes, and at least 2/3 of the votes must be Yes.

Here are the voters names (54 votes):
Scott Alfter
Larry W. Virden
Tero Sand
Dale B. LaFountain
Dameon D. Welch
Kent Radek
tuu
Rich Payne
Andrew Robert Volk
Richard Kulawiec
lim thye chean
David.Empson
Amrit Chauhan
Brendan_Hoar
DESROCHERS GARY FREDER
Max Heffler
B.J.   11-Aug-1992 1051
Kapffer
Richard H. Miller
Michael R. Eisler
James L. Brookes
Andreas Karrer
Brian Bening
Bob Sherman
Heath Wilkinson
Eric J. Olson
Jawaid Bazyer
warlock
Marc Sira
Marc Moorcroft
Jeff Hartkopf
Jeff Holcomb
Bill Owens
Kent Dickey
Otto Heuer #3
Daniel Demaggio
Russ Woodroofe
Brain Tao
Lunatic Johnathan Bruce E'Sex
Brain Huddleston
David Kopper
Gregory G. Woodbury 
Derek Taubert
Andrew Guillaume
John J. Wegis
Matt Deatherage
Francis A. Uy
Doug Ashbrook
Rob Knauerhase
shane
Stephen Harker
Michael Crane 
Rob Wilson
-- 
 " Apple : Changing the world, one person at a time"
 " Friends : Don't let friends do DOS "
       881045m @ dragon.acadiau.ca
       881045m @ ace.acadiau.ca

From [email protected] Tue Sep  8 23:34:24 1992
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From: [email protected] (Richard Muise)
Subject: RESULT: comp.sys.apple2.programmer fails 81:10
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The voting period for the creation of comp.sys.apple2.programmer
ended on August 31,1992. The vote failed to get the minimum number of
votes (100). Therefore the vote has failed. The next RFD for the creation
of this group can occur on February 1,1993. I suspect that the minimum
number of votes will be found at that date, as school (University) will
be in for most people, and their will be a larger number of people to 
respond to the RFD. The vote count and ACK is as follows:

Votes for : 81
Votes against: 10

Vote ACK:

Yes votes (81):

Scott Alfter ([email protected])
Adam Barclay ([email protected])
Jawaid Bazyar ([email protected])
Tye Botting ([email protected])
James L. Brookes ([email protected])
Brian Bening ([email protected])
lim thye chean ([email protected])
Armit Chauhan ([email protected])
Brian Clark ([email protected])
Michael Crane ([email protected])
Steve Chiang TM ([email protected])
Kent Dickey ([email protected])
Matt Deatherage ([email protected])
Daniel Demaggio ([email protected])
Benjamin Doherty ([email protected])
Lawrence Dunfield ([email protected])
Jeff Dyason ([email protected])
Lunatic Johnathan Bruce E'Sex ([email protected])
David Empson ([email protected])
Espo ([email protected])
Michael Foegelle ([email protected])
Desrochers Gary Frederic ([email protected])
Leon Garde ([email protected])
Steve George ([email protected])
John Goggan ([email protected])
Eric Gravil ([email protected])
Glenn Gray ([email protected])
Andrew Guillaume ([email protected])
Steve Harker ([email protected])
Jeff Hartkopf ([email protected])
Jeff Holcomb ([email protected])
Max Heffler ([email protected])
Otto Heuer #3 ([email protected])
Robert Hill ([email protected])
Brendan Hoar ([email protected])
Brian Huddleston ([email protected])
B.J. ([email protected])
Chris Jacobson ([email protected])
Basil Johnson ([email protected])
Matthias Kapffer ([email protected])
Rob Knauerhase ([email protected])
David Kopper ([email protected])
Maureen Kopper ([email protected])
Dale B. LaFountain ([email protected])
Life...([email protected])
Lindsey MacPherson ([email protected])
mayhem ([email protected])
Tim Meekins ([email protected])
Richard H. Miller ([email protected]@ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu)
Robert_Paul MUELLER ([email protected])
Tony J Neyens ([email protected])
Frank Nusselder ([email protected])
Rich Payne ([email protected])
Jerry Penner ([email protected])
Austin Phelps ([email protected])
psonnek ([email protected])
Kent Radek ([email protected])
Terry Rawlings ([email protected])
Tero Sand (cust_ts.cc.helsinki.fi)
Ian Schmidt ([email protected])
shane ([email protected])
Jason Simmons ([email protected])
Marc Sira ([email protected])
Danny Spalt ([email protected])
Mitchell Spector ([email protected])
Dale Staines ([email protected])
Brian Tao ( [email protected])
Derek Taubert ([email protected])
Grover Thomas ([email protected])
Gary Turnquist ([email protected])
tuu ([email protected])
Francis A. Uy ([email protected])
Todd VanDerHul, MCP ([email protected])
Larry W. Virden ([email protected])
Andrew Robert Volk ([email protected])
John J. Wegis ([email protected])
Dameon D. Welch ([email protected])
Heath Wilinson ([email protected])
Ron Wilson ([email protected])
Gregory G. Woodbury ([email protected])
Russ Woodroofe ([email protected])
Shane M Zatezalo ([email protected])

No votes (10):

Doug Ashbrook ([email protected])
David Van Beveren ([email protected])
Mike Eisler ([email protected])
Andreas Karrer ([email protected])
Richard Kulawiec ([email protected])
Marc Moorcroft ([email protected])
William Moxley ([email protected])
Eric J. Olson ([email protected])
Bill Owens ([email protected])
Bob Sherman ([email protected])

I feel I must apologize for the mix ups that occured during the
vote. The polling station ([email protected]) had a server crash
during the second week in the vote. Also this message is late (it should
have been posted last week) because I had my wisdom teeth removed on
Wednesday.

thanks to all who helped and participated in the vote.

Richard Muise
-- 
 " Apple : Changing the world, one person at a time"
 " Friends : Don't let friends do DOS "
       881045m @ dragon.acadiau.ca
       881045m @ ace.acadiau.ca

 
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