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From [email protected] Thu Sep 17 14:46:07 1992
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From: [email protected] (John Werner)
Subject: RFD: comp.sys.mac.macapp3
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   This is an official Request For Discussion for a new newsgroup for
discussions about the version 3 of the MacApp object-oriented application
framework. 

[Note: This is being posted to usenet and mailed to the MacApp3 mailing
list.] 

NAME:
   comp.sys.mac.macapp3     (but certainly open for debate)

STATUS:
   unmoderated

   The newsgroup will be gatewayed with the existing Macapp 3 mailing list.
 Messages sent to the list will be echoed to the news group, and vice
versa.

CHARTER:
   This group will be a forum for discussion of version 3 of the MacApp
object oriented application framework used to write many Macintosh
applications. It is anticipated that most posts will be technical in
nature, but "advocacy" for new features, meeting announcements, and other
MacApp discussion will also be welcome. 

REASONS:
   There is presently a MacApp 3 mailing list, called MacApp3Tech$,
maintained by Apple. The list started on the AppleLink bbs/mail system, but
has been accessible from the Internet for several years. There are 350
people who subscribe via AppleLink, and about 165 who subscribe via
Internet mail.  Current traffic on the mailing list averages about 75-100
messages per week. 

   Many of the current subscribers, both on AppleLink and the Internet,
have expressed interest in reading a newsgroup rather than a large number
of individual email messages. 

--------------------------------------------------------

   Here are some possible issues for discussion. Usenet readers should post
followup discussion to news.groups, _not_ to comp.sys.mac.programmer.  You
can also mail directly to me, especially with ideas about the group name. 

1) Scope of the group.  The MacApp3Tech$ mailing list is intended for
discussions about MacApp version 3 only.  Many "meta-issues" get discussed
there too: the future of MacApp; scheduling for MADA meetings, etc.  There
is a separate list for discussions about MacApp 2.  Presumably a new list
will be created for users of the new Bedrock framework when it becomes
available. 

   Should the newsgroup we create be specific to MacApp 3?  I think so; we
don't want to inundate mailing-list readers with messages about MacApp 2,
Bedrock, TCL, or whatever.  Other newsgroups can be created for those
mailing lists later if there is enough interest.

2) There are several possible names for the group: 
comp.sys.mac.macapp              Nice and simple.
comp.sys.mac.macapp3             More specific - I like this one
comp.sys.mac.oop.macapp3         For MacApp 3; maybe others later
comp.sys.mac.frameworks.macapp3  For MacApp 3; maybe others later 

3) Why not just put the group under "comp.sys.mac.programmer"?  Many people
think that having a group and a hierarchy with the same name is a bad idea.
 So c.s.m.programmer would have to be renamed to c.s.m.programmer.misc.  If
someone else wants to run such a reorganization later, fine.  But I'd like
to keep this vote simple.

4) Are there enough votes? Usenet guidelines require a 2:1 Yes:No vote
ratio, _and_ 100 more Yes votes than No votes.  We can probably expect 50
or so No votes. Will there be 150 Yes votes? 

5) Signal-to-noise ratio on the mailing list.  Creating a parallel Usenet
group will make the MacApp mailing list much more accessible to the masses.
 The amount of discussion will probably go up, but the signal-to-noise
ratio will probably go down.  Keeping the newsgroup limited to MacApp 3
will minimize this.  I think the tradeoff will be worth it; what do others
think?

6) AppleLink allows people to attach binary "enclosures" to mail messages. 
The AppleLink/Internet gateway appends these enclosures (uuencoded) to the
end of the mail message, and will do the same when posting messages to the
new group.  Nobody has time to rewrite the gateway software right now.  Big
enclosures attached to MacApp3Tech$ messages have been fairly rare, but
users of the mailing list will have to be careful not to use them. 


   Assuming there is some consensus on the group name and charter, I'll
post a Call For Votes after the discussion dies down.
-- 
John Werner                         [email protected]
UC Berkeley School of Education     510-642-9651

From [email protected] Fri Oct 16 16:53:51 1992
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From: [email protected] (John Werner)
Subject: CFV: comp.sys.mac.oop.{macapp3,misc}
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   This is a Call For Votes for the creation of two newsgroups for
discussing object-oriented programming on the Macintosh.  For those keeping
score at home, the RFD went out on Thursday, September 17th, with the name
"RFD: comp.sys.mac.macapp3".  During the discussion period a straw poll was
taken to pick a new name, and a .misc group was added to the proposal.

GROUP NAMES:
 comp.sys.mac.oop.macapp3  unmoderated; gatewayed to existing mailing list
 comp.sys.mac.oop.misc     unmoderated

VOTING PROCEDURE:
On each of the two newsgroups, you may vote Yes, No, or Abstain.  To vote,
copy the following ballot into a mail message, and if you wish to vote Yes
or No on a group, replace the 'A' with a 'Y' or 'N'.  Then mail the ballot
to "[email protected]".

BALLOT:
comp.sys.mac.oop.macapp3: A
comp.sys.mac.oop.misc:    A

Following are the group charters and more detailed voting rules:

CHARTERS:
   comp.sys.mac.oop.macapp3 will be a forum for discussion of version 3 of
the MacApp object oriented application framework used to write many
Macintosh applications. It is anticipated that most posts will be technical
in nature, but "advocacy" for new features, MacApp-related meeting
announcements, and other MacApp discussion will also be welcome.  

   comp.sys.mac.oop.misc is intended for discussion of other
object-oriented programming issues on the Macintosh.  Possibilities include
discussion of the Think Class Library and the forthcoming Bedrock library,
as well as object-related C++ and Object Pascal issues.

GATEWAY:
   There is presently a MacApp 3 mailing list, called MacApp3Tech$,
maintained by Apple.  There will be a bidirectional gateway between the
mailing list and the new comp.sys.mac.oop.macapp3 newsgroup.  The mailing
list currently has about 500 subscribers, and traffic averages about 75-100
messages per week. 

VOTING RULES:
* One vote per person.  If you vote more than once, only the _last_ vote
will be counted.  

* Votes that are ambiguous will not be counted.  Rejected votes will be
returned to the sender with an explanation of why they were rejected.

* Votes posted to any newsgroup will not be counted.  Votes MUST be mailed
to the voting address, "[email protected]".

* According to Usenet guidelines, for a group to be created there must be
at least a 2:1 ratio of Yes to No votes, and at least 100 more Yes votes
than No votes.

VOTING PERIOD:
* Votes will be collected starting when this CFV is posted, and ending at
12:01am PST (8:01am GMT) Monday, November 9, 1992.

* Halfway through the voting period (about October 28) a second Call For
Votes will be posted, along with an acknowledgement listing the names of
everyone who has voted so far.

RESULTS:
* After the voting period had ended the results will be posted, along with
a list of everyone who voted and what their votes were.
-- 
John Werner                         [email protected]
UC Berkeley School of Education     510-642-9651

From [email protected] Mon Nov  2 15:42:59 1992
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From: [email protected] (John Werner)
Subject: 2nd CFV and VOTE ACK: comp.sys.mac.oop.{macapp3,misc}
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   This is the second Call For Votes for the creation of two newsgroups for
discussing object-oriented programming on the Macintosh.  At the end of
this post is a list of all people who have voted so far.  If you sent
in a vote and your name doesn't appear on the list, try again.

For those keeping score at home, the RFD went out on Thursday, September
17th, with the name "RFD: comp.sys.mac.macapp3".  During the discussion
period a straw poll was taken to pick a new name, and a .misc group was
added to the proposal.  The first CFV was issued on Friday, October 16th.  

GROUP NAMES:
 comp.sys.mac.oop.macapp3  unmoderated; gatewayed to existing mailing list
 comp.sys.mac.oop.misc     unmoderated

VOTING PROCEDURE:
On each of the two newsgroups, you may vote Yes, No, or Abstain.  To vote,
copy the following ballot into a mail message, and if you wish to vote Yes
or No on a group, replace the 'A' with a 'Y' or 'N'.  Then mail the ballot
to "[email protected]".

BALLOT:
comp.sys.mac.oop.macapp3: A
comp.sys.mac.oop.misc:    A

Following are the group charters and more detailed voting rules:

CHARTERS:
   comp.sys.mac.oop.macapp3 will be a forum for discussion of version 3 of
the MacApp object oriented application framework used to write many
Macintosh applications. It is anticipated that most posts will be technical
in nature, but "advocacy" for new features, MacApp-related meeting
announcements, and other MacApp discussion will also be welcome.  

   comp.sys.mac.oop.misc is intended for discussion of other
object-oriented programming issues on the Macintosh.  Possibilities include
discussion of the Think Class Library and the forthcoming Bedrock library,
as well as object-related C++ and Object Pascal issues.

GATEWAY:
   There is presently a MacApp 3 mailing list, called MacApp3Tech$,
maintained by Apple.  There will be a bidirectional gateway between the
mailing list and the new comp.sys.mac.oop.macapp3 newsgroup.  The mailing
list currently has about 500 subscribers, and traffic averages about 75-100
messages per week. 

VOTING RULES:
* One vote per person.  If you vote more than once, only the _last_ vote
will be counted.  

* Votes that are ambiguous will not be counted.  Rejected votes will be
returned to the sender with an explanation of why they were rejected.

* Votes posted to any newsgroup will not be counted.  Votes MUST be mailed
to the voting address, "[email protected]".

* According to Usenet guidelines, for a group to be created there must be
at least a 2:1 ratio of Yes to No votes, and at least 100 more Yes votes
than No votes.

VOTING PERIOD:
* Votes will be collected starting when this CFV is posted, and ending at
12:01am PST (8:01am GMT) Monday, November 9, 1992.

* Halfway through the voting period (about October 28) a second Call For
Votes will be posted, along with an acknowledgement listing the names of
everyone who has voted so far.

RESULTS:
* After the voting period had ended the results will be posted, along with
a list of everyone who voted and what their votes were.

VOTE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT:
Votes have been received from the following people as of 10:00am PST
Wednesday October 28, 1992.  If you sent in a vote and your name isn't on
the list, try again.  The list contains 291 names and is sorted by userid.

[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (AH Al_ashaab )
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[email protected] (Aaron Rosenbaum)
[email protected] (Tim Dierks, software saboteur)
[email protected] (Alberto J. Canas)
[email protected] (Alan Fisher)
[email protected] (Alexander Hopmann)
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[email protected] (Al Velella)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Anders Blomdell )
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[email protected] (John Andrews)
[email protected] (TraveLogix Inc, A Murarka,PRT)
[email protected] (Luigi Andolfato 322508/IF)
[email protected] (Ari Hypp|nen )
[email protected] (Arne Henrik Juul )
[email protected] (Brian Excarnate )
[email protected] (Eric L. Nelson)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Hablutzel, Bob,CST)
[email protected] (David Richardson, UTA, +1 817 856 6609)
[email protected] (M. Babin)
[email protected] (James Barrett)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Blair M. Burtan)
[email protected] (Bengt Baverman )
[email protected]
[email protected] (Brian Hamlin)
[email protected] (Bob Hoffman)
[email protected] (Michael Kistenmacher)
[email protected] (Brian Bechtel)
[email protected] (Beckie Pack )
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Andreas 'Ideograf' Magnusson )
[email protected] (Cameron McNairy 374-8232)
[email protected] (L L Campbell )
[email protected] (John Cavallo)
[email protected] (Murray Nesbitt)
[email protected] (Charles Lakos)
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Ernest Cline )
[email protected] (Cory Kempf)
[email protected] (Craig Heilman)
[email protected] (Chuck Shotton)
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[email protected] (wrobel)
[email protected] (Carlson, Eric)
[email protected] (Gary Czychi )
[email protected] (Office Product Tech, B Toback,PRT)
[email protected] (David Graham)
[email protected] (Dan Schaeffer)
[email protected] (Daniel Leiderman )
[email protected] (Daniel Weinberg )
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[email protected] (David Goldsmith )
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ehanson@umbc5.umbc.edu (Mr. Erik Hanson)
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gilliam@asel.udel.edu (Dan Gilliam )
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iwasaki@tech.spt.sony.co.jp (Shoji Iwasaki )
jackl@apple.com (Jack Littleton)
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jbrennan@trivia.coginst.uwf.edu
jdurham@hirollers.atg.amex-trs.com (Jeff Durham)
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jshockey@world.std.com (John C Shockey)
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kris@milo.et.byu.edu (Kris Jorgensen)
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llopis@vents.uji.es (Jose Luis Llopis Borras )
lmontoya@trivia.coginst.uwf.edu (Luis Montoya)
lsr@taligent.com (Larry Rosenstein)
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malcolm@apple.com
Mark.D.Larimer@cdc.com
Mary.Curtin@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
maureen@skivs.ski.org
mbrad@Athena.MIT.EDU
mcgee@ils.nwu.edu (Steven McGee)
mcmath@csb1.nlm.nih.gov (Chuck 'Big Brain, No Thoughts' McMath)
mdb@apple.com (Mitch Bayersdorfer )
mha@memory.ithaca.ny.us (Mark H. Anbinder)
mhpower@stan.mit.edu
miller@cs.rochester.edu
mkovacs@mcs.kent.edu (Michael Kovacs)
mssrh@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
mwalker@Novell.COM
mwilkinson@cix.compulink.co.uk (Martyn Wilkinson )
neeri@iis.ethz.ch (Matthias Neeracher )
neilj@cc.uow.edu.au
nicky@apple.com
nishimu@janis.macro.co.jp (Toshio Nishimura)
nobody@Kodak.COM (Matthew Coriale (x37975))
NONE.FRED@AppleLink.Apple.COM (France - nOne Corp, F Miserey,IDV)
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pdsaffer@ing.puc.cl (pdsaffer)
Per.Mildner@csd.uu.se (Per Mildner )
Peter.Rohleder@gmd.de (Peter Rohleder )
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ph@ssd.Kodak.Com (Pete Hoch 253-1985)
philip@research.canon.oz.au (Philip Craig)
PNCSPPC@ccvax1.cc.ncsu.edu (Phil Calvert )
pradhan@camis.stanford.edu (Malcolm Pradhan )
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quesnel@sound.music.mcgill.ca
quinn@cs.uwa.edu.au (Quinn )
rae@alias.com (Reid Ellis)
Ralph.Martin@computing-maths.cardiff.ac.uk (Ralph Martin )
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reiman@kaleida.com (Charlie Reiman)
rfloyd@cs.duke.edu (Rick Floyd)
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rhb@mstr.hgc.edu (Roger H. Brown)
rhemrev@edte.utwente.nl (Albert Rhemrev )
rich@grayhawk.rent.com (Richard R. Harms)
rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller)
RJ_Cummings@vos.stratus.com
rlr@vena.med.utas.edu.au (Ross Leon Richardson)
rmh@taligent.com (Rick Holzgrafe)
Roanne.Steele@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Roanne Steele )
robert@info.win.tue.nl (Robert J.P.B. Lukassen)
roberts@prepress.com
Roger.W.Brown@Dartmouth.EDU (Roger W. Brown)
rolfb@ling.gu.se (Rolf Borg Sandahl-Baewer)
ron_beloin@qmrelay.mail.cornell.edu (Ron Beloin)
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salber@imag.fr (Daniel Salber)
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sarago@paola.dei.unipd.it (Tomaso Paoletti 345392/IL)
sch@lola.et.byu.edu (Scott Hill)
schaller@hsi.com (Dave V. Schaller)
schiffer@dispair.stsci.edu
scotth@wrs.com (Scott Herzinger)
sdobbs@trivia.coginst.uwf.edu (Steve Dobbs)
SESI@AppleLink.Apple.COM (Sys Engineering Sltns, Flack,PRT)
shigeya@dink.foretune.co.jp (Shigeya Suzuki )
shirley@odin.uth.tmc.edu
skh@trout.oki.com
slarghi@ulys.unil.ch
SOFT14@oop.dist.unige.it
sparcom!karl@uu.psi.com (Karl J. Smith)
speck@ruc.dk (Peter Speck)
squeegee@world.std.com (Stephen C. Gilardi)
sracer@media-lab.mit.edu (Andy Hong (Go Speed Racer!) )
ST202153@BROWNVM.brown.edu (Andrew Shearer )
steele@vlsi.cs.caltech.edu (Craig Steele)
stephan@iguwnext.tuwien.ac.at (Stephan Bublava)
Stephen.Marder@vuw.ac.nz (Stephen Marder )
stuart@spss.com
suwa@skunk.nri.co.jp (Shigeo Suwa)
sven@cs.widener.edu (Sven M. Heinicke)
sw@network-analysis-ltd.co.uk (Sak Wathanasin)
TAMONE@uni2a.unige.ch
tburrow@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Tim Burrow)
tcowin@trivia.coginst.uwf.edu
tdslotte@mcs.drexel.edu (Dave Slotter)
teague@apple.com (Terry Teague )
tho@tik.vtt.fi (Timo Honkela )
thomas@camino.mic.cl (Thomas Fruin )
tim@cs.su.oz.au (Tim Nicholson)
tlg@phaedrus.caltech.edu (Todd L. Gustavson )
TOGE%SLACVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Nobukazu Toge)
tom@dtint.dtint.com (Thomas R. Kimpton)
Tom_Becker@umacmail.apldbio.com (Tom Becker)
Tom_Chavez@taligent.com (Tom Chavez )
tomas@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Tom Messerges)
trevor@oerth.equinox.gen.nz ()
tron@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Tron R.)
turk@cosmos.imag.fr (Matthew Turk)
tvw@iexist.att.com (Thomas V Williams)
twhite@trivia.coginst.uwf.edu
twl@cs.brown.edu (Ted Theodore W. Leung)
tyler@marge.et.byu.edu (Tyler Smithson)
ulf@distinct.se (Ulf Olsson)
usr4818a@tso.uc.EDU (Robert E. Winston)
V0893@AppleLink.Apple.COM (Amoco Technology, Jeff Jurvis,VAR)
veloso@husc.harvard.edu
VEMURI@AppleLink.Apple.COM (Vemuri, Sunil,VCA)
walter@Barra.COM
warren-matthew@CS.YALE.EDU (Matthew S. 'Opie' Warren)
weber@rhrk.uni-kl.de
weinbrgl@acf3.NYU.EDU (Lisa Weinberg)
werner@SOE.Berkeley.Edu
WICAT@AppleLink.Apple.COM (Wicat Systems, Michael Rossetti,PRT)
wirehead@cheshire.oxy.edu (David J. Harr)
WOLFGANG@AppleLink.Apple.COM (Engle, Steven,CLA)
wuertz@systech.tik.ethz.ch
ww2@bullwinkle.ssc.gov (Wes Price)
wysocki@netcom.com (Chris Wysocki)

From werner@soe.berkeley.edu Tue Nov 10 15:49:23 1992
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From: werner@soe.berkeley.edu (John Werner)
Subject: RESULT: comp.sys.mac.oop.{macapp3,misc} pass {372:50,409:36}
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The voting for comp.sys.mac.oop.macapp3 and comp.sys.mac.oop.misc ended at
midnight last night.  Here are the results:

                           Yes  No  Abstain  Yes-No    Yes/(Yes+No)
comp.sys.mac.oop.macapp3   372  50  37        322       88%
comp.sys.mac.oop.misc      409  36  14        373       92%

Both groups meet the criteria of at least 100 more yes and at least 2/3 Yes
votes, so both pass.  The groups will be newgrouped by David Lawrence
(news.announce.newgroups moderator) unless problems are found during the
usual 5-day waiting period.

Following is a list of all votes on the newsgroups.  Column 1 is the vote
on comp.sys.mac.oop.macapp3; column2 is for comp.sys.mac.oop.misc.

Y Y  91babik@gw.wmich.edu
Y Y  a-kraus@uiuc.edu
Y Y  A.H.Al_ashaab@lut.ac.uk (AH Al_ashaab )
A Y  A.J.Lewis@ecs.southampton.ac.uk
Y Y  a2td3@park1.park.se \ \  (J\ rgen Hal\ n)
Y A  aaron@gamma.com (Aaron Rosenbaum)
Y Y  absurd@applelink.apple.com (Tim Dierks, software saboteur)
Y Y  acanas@trivia.coginst.uwf.edu (Alberto J. Canas)
Y Y  adamw@panix.com (Adam Wildavsky)
Y Y  aes@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu (Andrew E. Scheck )
N Y  afcmarty@aol.com
Y Y  afisher@netcom.com (Alan Fisher)
Y Y  agostin@ecf.toronto.edu (AGOSTINELLI  GREGORY A )
Y Y  aih1@cornell.edu (Alexander Hopmann)
N N  alan_s@cix.compulink.co.uk (Alan Staniforth )
Y Y  alv@pearl.sw.stratus.com (Al Velella)
A Y  aml@world.std.com (Andrew M Langmead)
Y Y  anders@verity.com
Y Y  andersb@control.lth.se (Anders Blomdell )
Y Y  Andrew_Gilmartin@Brown.Edu
N N  andrews@sp95.csrd.uiuc.edu (John Andrews)
Y Y  ANUP@AppleLink.Apple.COM (TraveLogix Inc, A Murarka,PRT)
Y Y  apl@paola.dei.unipd.it (Luigi Andolfato 322508/IF)
Y Y  aplumb@ucsd.edu
Y Y  Ari.Hypponen@hut.fi (Ari Hypp|nen )
N N  arnej@kari.fm.unit.no (Arne Henrik Juul )
A A  aslakson@cs.umn.edu (Brian Excarnate )
Y Y  aubourg@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Eric Aubourg)
Y Y  auvnele@acis11.tamu.edu (Eric L. Nelson)
N N  awolfe@Princeton.EDU
Y Y  B.HABLUTZEL@AppleLink.Apple.COM (Hablutzel, Bob,CST)
A Y  B645ZAX@UTARLG.UTA.EDU (David Richardson, UTA, +1 817 856 6609)
Y Y  babin@lobby.ti.com (M. Babin)
N N  barrett@cc.gatech.edu (James Barrett)
Y Y  bcoleman@hayes.com
Y Y  bear@netcom.com (Blair M. Burtan)
Y Y  BELL@NSSDCA.GSFC.NASA.GOV (E. V. Bell, II - NSSDC/HSTX/GSFC/NASA -
(301)513-1663)
Y Y  bengtb@stacken.kth.se (Bengt Baverman )
Y Y  bentley@tai.chi.il.us (Mike Bentley)
Y Y  bettany_d@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
A Y  bhamlin@netcom.com (Brian Hamlin)
Y Y  bhanson@umaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu (Brad Hanson )
Y Y  bhoffman@array.array.com (Bob Hoffman)
Y Y  blackbox@pfunk.hanse.de (Michael Kistenmacher)
Y Y  blob@gallant.apple.com (Brian Bechtel)
Y Y  boesch@wsl.ethz.ch
Y Y  boo@apple.com (Beckie Pack )
Y Y  bowman@reed.edu
N N  brian@eagle.natinst.com (Brian H. Powell)
Y Y  briano@spss.com
Y Y  Bruce@hoult.actrix.gen.nz
A Y  c164-aa@po.berkeley.edu (Paul DuBois)
Y Y  c89andma@und.ida.liu.se (Andreas 'Ideograf' Magnusson )
Y Y  cameron@homer.et.byu.edu (Cameron McNairy 374-8232)
Y Y  campbell@bach.udel.edu (L L Campbell )
Y Y  Carlos_Bazzarella@go.com
Y Y  cas@FenK.WAU.NL (Cas Meyer)
N Y  casgrain@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Casgrain Philippe)
Y Y  cavallo@okeeffe.gsfc.nasa.gov (John Cavallo)
Y Y  ccicpg!conexch!kent@uunet.UU.NET
Y Y  CFHACC@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (C.F. Haupt - ISC/ACUS Software Support
[x5342])
Y Y  chaffee@reed.edu (Alex Chaffee)
N N  chance!pseudo!mjn@sq.com (Murray Nesbitt)
Y N  charles@probitas.cs.utas.edu.au (Charles Lakos)
A Y  CHARLESW@QUCDN.QueensU.CA
Y Y  chiasson@ukraine.corp.mot.com
Y Y  chris@carnival.lbl.gov (Chris Moll)
Y Y  Chris_Knepper@taligent.com (Chris Knepper )
N N  christer@cs.umu.se (Christer Ericson)
Y Y  chubbard@ecn.purdue.edu (Christopher T Hubbard )
N Y  CLAS005@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
N A  cline@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu (Ernest Cline )
Y Y  cory@enigami.MV.COM (Cory Kempf)
N Y  craigh@cserver.plexus.com (Craig Heilman)
N N  cristy@magick.es.dupont.com (Cristy)
Y Y  crunch@netcom.com (John Draper)
Y Y  crussell@samson.hac.com (Chris Russell)
N N  cshotton@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Chuck Shotton)
Y Y  csrd@marlin.jcu.edu.au
A Y  cubsfan@cultnet.ch (wrobel)
Y Y  CYNIC@AppleLink.Apple.COM (Carlson, Eric)
N Y  czychi@bernina.ethz.ch (Gary Czychi )
Y Y  D2188@AppleLink.Apple.COM (Office Product Tech, B Toback,PRT)
Y Y  D4102@AppleLink.Apple.COM (National Standards, Tomas Beas,PRT)
A Y  D_Gladstone@cs.aukuni.ac.nz
Y Y  dagraham@unix1.tcd.ie (David Graham)
N Y  daley@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (John Daley)
Y Y  Dan_Schaeffer@bdis.com (Dan Schaeffer)
Y Y  dani@bgumail.bgu.ac.il (Daniel Leiderman )
Y Y  danielw@well.sf.ca.us (Daniel Weinberg )
Y Y  dank@calvin.usc.edu (Dan King)
A Y  danwood@netcom.com (Daniel J Wood)
Y Y  Daryl_Spitzer@mindlink.bc.ca (Daryl Spitzer)
Y Y  daveg@apple.com (Dave Green )
Y Y  daven@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Dave Nicozisin)
Y Y  David.Empson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Y Y  David.Evans@cc.uow.edu.au
Y Y  David.Wilson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Y Y  david@scsun.unige.ch (Roessli David )
Y Y  David_Goldsmith@taligent.com (David Goldsmith )
N Y  davidp@calvin.usc.edu (David Peterson)
Y Y  dbw@acri.fr (David Winterburn)
Y Y  dcoster@coster.pppl.gov (David Coster)
Y Y  de19@umail.umd.edu (Dana S Emery)
Y Y  decvax!hildreth@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Lon Hildreth)
N Y  decwrl!ub-gate.UB.com!outpost.SF-Bay.org!peirce@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU
(Michael Peirce)
Y Y  Dennis_Jelcic@pigeon.cpg.cdc.com (Dennis Jelcic)
Y Y  dent@DIALix.oz.au (Andrew Dent )
Y Y  derek@cambridge.apple.com
Y Y  dlopez@shearson.com (David Lopez)
Y Y  dmt@zavodovski.island.COM (Darryl Trujillo)
Y Y  dn5@apix.psu.edu (D. Jay Newman)
Y Y  dnater@verity.com (Dan Nater)
Y Y  dominy@netcom.com (Robert Dominy)
Y N  dougy@xvt.com (Doug Young )
Y Y  draper@odin.mda.uth.tmc.edu
Y Y  dsk@ahab.eecs.nwu.edu (Daniel S. Katz)
Y Y  Duane_Murphy.WC_QM_KNET@wc_smtp_knet.wc.novell.com (Duane Murphy )
Y Y  dunlop@glenn.uwaterloo.ca (J. Douglas Dunlop )
Y Y  dupont@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Lucien Dupont)
Y Y  dwar@world.std.com (David Warrington )
N N  dziuk@hsi.com (Ronald V. Dziuk Jr.)
Y Y  e-weidl@uchicago.edu (Eric Weidl)
Y Y  edw@caligula.cts.com (Ed Watkeys)
Y Y  ehanson@umbc5.umbc.edu (Mr. Erik Hanson)
A Y  eijkhout@cs.utk.edu
Y Y  ejgraves@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Eric James Graves)
N N  ejo@kaja.gi.alaska.edu (Eric J. Olson)
Y Y  ekaftan@ing.puc.cl (ekaftan)
Y Y  ely@norton.norton.com (Dave Ely)
Y Y  emcguire@intellection.com (Ed McGuire)
A Y  emg@jobone.Metaphor.COM (Mike Greenawalt)
Y Y  emgertz@sdcc3.ucsd.edu
Y Y  Eric_Berdahl@taligent.com (Eric Berdahl )
Y Y  ericr@SSD.intel.com (Eric Richards )
A Y  erlingm@ifi.uio.no (Erling Mork )
N N  es2j+@andrew.cmu.edu (Edward John Sabol )
Y Y  esseye!jdbbs!muondev!gosciak@uunet.UU.NET (Doug Gosciak)
N Y  evans@natural.com (Christopher Evans)
A N  exuhag@exu.ericsson.se (James Hague)
Y Y  farrell@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (tod farrell)
Y Y  fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy)
Y Y  fdm@WLV.IIPO.GTEGSC.COM (Frank D. Malczewski)
A Y  fegge@iesd.auc.dk (Ole Rasmussen )
Y Y  fgiraffe@well.sf.ca.us (Frank Giraffe )
Y Y  fjo@chinet.chi.il.us (Frank Owen)
A Y  FLC3527@TAMXRD.TAMU.EDU (Trey Campbell)
A Y  flemmon@auspex.com (Frank Lemmon)
Y Y  fms00@spa.amdahl.com (Myke Smith )
Y Y  francis@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Straw Man Dude )
Y Y  frank@mlb.geomechanics.csiro.au
N N  franke@karnak.llnl.gov (Norman Franke, III)
Y Y  freek@ruc.dk (Mads Freek Petersen) (Mads Freek Petersen)
Y Y  fritschs@informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Stephan Fritsch )
Y Y  frodo@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca (Kevin Wilson Jiang)
Y Y  gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A Drosehn )
Y Y  gallo@asel.udel.edu (Andy Gallo )
N N  garym@flash.telesoft.com (Gary Morris @pulsar)
Y Y  Gavin.Eadie@um.cc.umich.edu
Y Y  geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen)
A Y  geoffk@coombs.anu.edu.au (Geoffrey Keating)
N N  georg@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de (Georg Schwarz )
Y Y  GER.XSE0035@AppleLink.Apple.COM (Germany - CATS Software GmbH,IDV)
Y Y  GER.XSE0097@AppleLink.Apple.COM (Germany - Proficomp, M Greve,IDV)
Y Y  gfrancis@comtch.spk.wa.us (Greg Francis)
Y Y  gilbertd@sunflower.bio.indiana.edu (Don Gilbert)
Y Y  gilliam@asel.udel.edu (Dan Gilliam )
Y Y  gillisp@u.washington.edu (Steven Gillispie )
Y Y  gisler@sstcx1.lanl.gov (Galen Gisler)
Y Y  gleeson@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Red Mountain)
N Y  gmarzot@mitre.org (G. S. Marzot)
Y Y  gotimer@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Gene Gotimer)
Y A  gray@asel.udel.edu
A Y  green@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Bradley Green )
Y A  greene@moe.optics.rochester.edu (Pamela Greene  )
Y Y  Greg@information-systems.east-anglia.ac.uk (Greg Newton-Ingham)
Y Y  grossman@odin.mda.uth.tmc.edu
Y Y  grstate@zeus.UWaterloo.ca (Gavriel State)
Y Y  GUELZOW@BrandonU.CA (Andreas J. Guelzow, Brandon Univ.)
Y N  gwg@salmon.aux.apple.com (Gene Garbutt)
Y Y  gzucchin@ulys.unil.ch
Y Y  H_Haddon@ACAD.FANDM.EDU (Harry Haddon, F & M College)
N Y  hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Y Y  Hans.Carlsson@udac.uu.se
N N  hards4@evans.ee.adfa.oz.au (Brad Hards)
Y Y  haydenh@netcom.com (Hayden Harman)
Y Y  haynes@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Carl W. Haynes III)
Y Y  hechtel@meteor.wisc.edu (Leslie Hartten)
Y Y  HECK@kit.uni-kl.de (Klaus Heck )
Y Y  heilmayr@math.berkeley.edu (Stephan Heilmayr)
Y Y  helinp@vipunen.hut.fi (Petri Helin )
Y Y  herbison@erlang.enet.dec.com (B.J.  19-Oct-1992 1313 )
Y Y  hoepfner@heasfs.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patrick Hoepfner)
Y Y  hoyt@staff.tc.umn.edu
A Y  huberf@informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Franz Huber )
Y Y  huff@MCCLB0.MED.NYU.EDU (Edward J. Huff)
Y Y  ipetoud@ulys.unil.ch
Y Y  irobinson@cix.compulink.co.uk (Ian Robinson )
Y Y  iscjcw@uccvma.ucop.edu (Jerry Wilcox )
Y Y  iwasaki@tech.spt.sony.co.jp (Shoji Iwasaki )
Y Y  jackl@apple.com (Jack Littleton)
Y Y  jan@buitje.nikhefk.nikhef.nl (Jan van der Laan )
A Y  jay@wanda.Princeton.EDU (Jay Lieske Jr )
Y Y  jbezdek@trivia.coginst.uwf.edu (Jim Bezdek)
Y Y  jbrennan@trivia.coginst.uwf.edu
Y Y  jcoffey@trivia.coginst.uwf.edu
Y Y  jdougan@prodigy.bc.ca (John R. Dougan)
Y Y  jdurham@hirollers.atg.amex-trs.com (Jeff Durham)
Y Y  jean@biomac.univ-lyon1.fr (Jean Thioulouse )
Y Y  jeffh@apple.com (Jeff Holcomb)
Y Y  jerry@wallis.uni-paderborn.de (Gerald Siek )
Y Y  Jerry_Jahnke@tikal.biosci.arizona.edu (Jerry Jahnke)
Y Y  jerryg@apple.com (Jerry Godes )
Y Y  jh@nbn.com (John Harkin)
Y A  jhughson@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JR Hughson )
Y A  jimmy@che.che.tulane.edu (Jim Williams)
Y Y  jimwong@owlnet.rice.edu (Jim Wong )
Y Y  jjamison@bellahs.com (John Jamison RD AC)
Y Y  jjones@trivia.coginst.uwf.edu (Jeremy Jones)
Y Y  jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki )
Y Y  john@jlc.MV.COM (John Leslie)
Y Y  john@library.nrl.navy.mil (John E. Rose)
N Y  Jonathan.A.Young@williams.edu (Jonathan Young )
Y Y  joshr@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov (Joshua Rabinowitz-Summer-91 )
Y Y  jpb@newssun.med.miami.edu (Joe Block)
Y Y  jpugh@apple.com (Jon Pugh)
Y Y  jra@vipunen.hut.fi (Janne O Rajala )
Y Y  jrb@mbunix.mitre.org
Y Y  jshockey@world.std.com (John C Shockey)
A Y  jsjacob@soda.berkeley.edu (John S. Jacob )
Y Y  jvaughan@itsmail1.hamilton.edu (Jon Vaughan)
A Y  jvp@cpre1.ee.iastate.edu (Jim Van Peursem )
Y Y  jwbaxter@halcyon.halcyon.com
Y Y  jyerkes@trivia.coginst.uwf.edu
Y Y  k044477@hobbes.kzoo.edu (Jamie R. McCarthy)
A Y  karna@vtinsv.ins.vtt.fi (Juha-Petri Karna)
Y Y  keesr@cc.mey.nl (Kees de Ridder)
Y Y  ken_grigsby@alinkgateway.farallon.com (Ken Grigsby)
N N  kenney@saturn.hsi.com (Brian Kenney )
Y Y  kford@trivia.coginst.uwf.edu
Y Y  khutson@cs.rice.edu (R. Kent Hutson)
Y Y  kire@nada.kth.se (Jan-Erik M}ngs )
Y Y  kjf@Cadence.COM (Ken Friedenbach)
Y Y  kn@doc.ic.ac.uk (Keng Ng)
Y Y  kneel@Shiva.COM (Neil Redding )
Y Y  koch@eis.cs.tu-bs.de (Andreas Koch)
Y Y  KODAKEN@AppleLink.Apple.COM (Eastman Kodak, K Wieschhoff,PRT)
Y Y  koppi@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Jeffrey Alan Koppi)
Y Y  kosmach@ukraine.corp.mot.com
Y A  kris@milo.et.byu.edu (Kris Jorgensen)
Y Y  krk@oit.itd.umich.edu (Kenneth Knight )
Y Y  ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik)
Y Y  kuo@spot.Colorado.EDU (Andy Y.A. Kuo)
Y Y  LAD0002@AppleLink.Apple.COM (Chile - Apple Center, R Salas,IDV)
Y Y  lari@cs.unc.edu (Humayun Lari )
Y Y  lasleyse@wam.umd.edu (Scott E. Lasley)
Y Y  Laurent.Wenker@dcal.unine.ch
Y Y  lbunch@trivia.coginst.uwf.edu
Y Y  lenoil@catalogic.com (Robert Lenoil )
Y Y  lentz@reber.astro.nwu.edu (Robert A. Lentz)
Y Y  lewis@sophists.com
Y Y  lgtaube@arctic.se (Lars-Gunnar Taube )
Y Y  lhp@daimi.aau.dk
A Y  lindahl@cse.uta.edu (Charlie Lindahl)
Y N  ljthompson@anl.gov (loren thompson)
Y Y  lkimes@ucs.usc.edu (Lance 'Moof' Kimes )
Y Y  llopis@vents.uji.es (Jose Luis Llopis Borras )
Y Y  lmontoya@trivia.coginst.uwf.edu (Luis Montoya)
Y Y  louis@asterix.drev.dnd.ca (Louis Demers)
Y Y  lsr@taligent.com (Larry Rosenstein)
Y Y  lynx@groan.Berkeley.EDU (anonymous somebody)
A Y  macaulay@ecr.mu.oz.au (Alexander_William MACAULAY)
Y Y  macgyver@cis.ohio-state.edu (MacGyver )
Y Y  magik@chinet.chi.il.us (Ben Liberman)
Y Y  malcolm@apple.com
Y Y  Mark.D.Larimer@cdc.com
Y Y  Mark_Taylor@gateway.qm.apple.com (Mark Taylor)
Y Y  Mary.Curtin@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
A Y  maureen@skivs.ski.org
Y Y  mbp@nyssa.wa7ipx.ampr.org (Marlin Prowell)
N Y  mbrad@Athena.MIT.EDU
N N  mcastle@cs.umr.edu
Y Y  mcgee@ils.nwu.edu (Steven McGee)
Y Y  mchale@aosg.gsf.dec.com
Y Y  mcmath@csb1.nlm.nih.gov (Chuck 'Big Brain, No Thoughts' McMath)
Y Y  mdb@apple.com (Mitch Bayersdorfer )
Y Y  mdm@apple.com (Michael McDaniel )
Y Y  medmunds@verity.com
Y Y  medwards@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Michael Kenneth Edwards )
Y Y  mfuortes@cumc.cornell.edu (Michele Fuortes)
Y Y  mha@memory.ithaca.ny.us (Mark H. Anbinder)
N N  mhpower@stan.mit.edu
Y Y  mike@ra.cs.umb.edu (Michael J. Thibodeau)
Y Y  miller@cs.rochester.edu
A Y  mjeffery@reed.edu (Mark Jefferys)
Y Y  mkovacs@mcs.kent.edu (Michael Kovacs)
Y N  mmm%casimir@uunet.UU.NET (Michael Maciag )
Y Y  mphbj639@unix.cc.emory.edu (Stephen Cristol)
N A  mrmike@michelotti.ae.ge.com ('Mr. Mike' Passaretti)
Y Y  mssrh@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
Y Y  MULLER_D@elgc.epfl.ch
Y Y  munroe@DMC.COM
Y Y  mverona@cs.UMD.EDU (Mary Verona)
Y Y  mwalker@Novell.COM
Y Y  mwilkinson@cix.compulink.co.uk (Martyn Wilkinson )
Y Y  NAVARRETE@AppleLink.Apple.COM (Navarrete, Ed)
Y Y  neeri@iis.ethz.ch (Matthias Neeracher )
Y Y  neilj@cc.uow.edu.au
Y Y  newlin@ecn.purdue.edu (John Newlin)
Y Y  nicky@apple.com
Y Y  nishimu@janis.macro.co.jp (Toshio Nishimura)
Y Y  noah@apple.com (Noah Price)
Y N  nobody@Kodak.COM (Matthew Coriale (x37975))
N Y  NONE.FRED@AppleLink.Apple.COM (France - nOne Corp, F Miserey,IDV)
N Y  oliver.oey@acadiau.ca (Oliver Oey )
Y Y  olson@genome.wi.edu (Eric K. Olson)
Y Y  omalley@mace.cc.purdue.edu (John O'Malley)
Y Y  orpheus@reed.edu (P. Hawthorne)
N N  owens@cookiemonster.cc.buffalo.edu (Bill Owens)
Y Y  packer@forum.swarthmore.edu (Asa Packer)
Y Y  paddle@craycos.com (Geoff Paddle)
Y Y  paryavi@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Saiid Paryavi)
Y Y  pbobbie@trivia.coginst.uwf.edu (Patrick Bobbie)
Y Y  pdsaffer@ing.puc.cl (pdsaffer)
Y Y  Per.Mildner@csd.uu.se (Per Mildner )
Y Y  Peter.Rohleder@gmd.de (Peter Rohleder )
Y Y  Peter.van.Raalte@actrix.gen.nz (Peter van Raalte )
Y Y  peterb@gu.uwa.edu.au (Peter Broadribb )
Y Y  pfterry@MSMail.kgs.ukans.edu (pfterry)
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Y Y  pla_kbh@pki-nbg.philips.de (Kurt Behnke (TEAM SOS))
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Y Y  priha@tik.vtt.fi (Ilkka Priha)
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Y Y  quesnel@sound.music.mcgill.ca
Y Y  quinn@cs.uwa.edu.au (Quinn )
Y Y  rae@alias.com (Reid Ellis)
Y Y  Ralph.Martin@computing-maths.cardiff.ac.uk (Ralph Martin )
Y Y  RAMI.RANEL@AppleLink.Apple.COM (Rami Ranel, Developer, Israel,IDV)
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