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From [email protected] Tue Nov 29 13:39:44 1994
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Evan Leibovitch)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.unix.unixware,comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.sys.novell
Subject: RFD: comp.unix.unixware reorganization
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	      ***** OFFICIAL REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) *****
			PLEASE READ COMPLETELY


PROPOSAL 1:		RENAME comp.unix.unixware to comp.unix.unixware.misc
                        (maintain status as unmoderated)

PROPOSAL 2:		CREATE comp.unix.unixware.announce (moderated)

PROPOSER:		Evan Leibovitch ([email protected])

CROSS-POSTED:		news.announce.newsgroups
			news.groups
			comp.unix.unixware
			comp.unix.sys5.r4
			comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
			comp.sys.novell


BACKGROUND:

Traffic in the existing comp.unix.unixware newsgroup has grown to the
point where splitting it into multiple groups has been proposed and
endorsed by those readers of the group who participated in a straw poll.
Consensus followed that the first 'split' allow a new group to be created
in which 'announcements' from users or vendors could be posted, free
of side-discussions, in the manner of numerous "announce" newsgroups
already existing in the comp.* namespace.


RATIONALE/CHARTER FOR comp.unix.unixware.announce:

To provide a low-noise forum for official announcements from Novell,
users and third-parties supporting UnixWare products. Product
announcements, listings of events and functions, official statements,
availability of archives sites storing UnixWare binaries or
documentation, price lists, press releases and position papers are
all welcome. Frequently Asked Question (FAQ) files, including but
not limited to the extensive UnixWare FAQ maintained by Jim Vlcek,
are also welcome.

Creation of this group would make the existing UnixWare mailing list
gateway easier to manage; it would make useful announcements easier to
archive and/or allow different Usenet expiry times vis. the existing
group.


RATIONALE FOR MODERATION OF comp.unix.unixware.announce:

It is intended that this group will be restricted to one-time-only
announcements, without discussion. The moderation would merely enforce
this simple policy, without being judgemental regarding content or
source.

All articles posted to this group would include a header re-directing
followup discussions of any kind to comp.unix.unixware. Articles will
be encouraged to contain an "Archive-Name" header for the benefit of
sites with automatic archiving software.

The proposed moderator is myself; Evan Leibovitch, creator of the
original Univel mailing list and later the newsgroups biz,univel.misc
comp.unix.unixware.

Why? Nobody else has come forward during initial discussions. I believe
as a UnixWare VAR I ride a reasonable middle ground between Novell and
end users, as to be not overly siding with one side or another. Indeed,
it seems from this viewpoint that most of the traffic in the newsgroups
so far has not been adversarial. I do not consider the moderation of
this group to be at all controversial.


RATIONALE FOR RENAMING comp.unix.unixware TO comp.unix.unixware.misc:

While the original idea was simply to create a moderated .announce group,
David Lawrence has suggested that it is preferable to rename the current
group at the same time, thus maintaining a consistent namespace. This
will make it easier to create further groups under a comp.unix.unixware.*
hierarchy in the future should the need arise. It will also reduce
cross-posting and simplify news-system administration.


PROCEDURE:

Discussion will take for 30 days from the date of this posting in
news.groups. All discussion - both for and against - will take place
in news.groups.

At the end of this time a call for votes (CFV) will be announced and
voting procedures by a neutral third party described. The two issues,
the renaming of comp.unix.unixware to comp.unix.unixware.misc and the
creation of comp.unix.unixware.announce, will be voted on separately
but described together in a single CFV posting.

What is the Process of Creating a Newsgroup?
-------------------------------------------

---->(a) RFD: Discussion, i.e., public hearing to take place 
	 in the newsgroup news.groups for approximately 30 days) 
     (b) CFV: Call for votes (the voting period will be about 25 days)
     (c) Counting of votes and public display of votes
     (d) Announcement of new newsgroup

(a)-->(b)  assumes  no major disagreements about this newsgroup during
discussion. (c)-->(d) assumes that the vote is favourable., i.e.,

		    Y > N+100 .and. Y > (2/3)(Y+N)

Y  being  the  number of YES votes, N being the number of NO votes for
the creation of the proposed newsgroup.

Thank you.

From [email protected] Tue Mar 28 19:47:11 1995
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Steve Bonine)
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Subject: 2nd CFV: comp.unix.unixware.*
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                      LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
              unmoderated group comp.unix.unixware.misc
             moderated group comp.unix.unixware.announce

Newsgroups lines:
comp.unix.unixware.misc	Products of Novell's Unix Systems Group.
comp.unix.unixware.announce	Announcements related to UnixWare. (Moderated)

Votes must be received by 29:59:59 UTC, 12 April 1995.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions
only contact Steve Bonine <[email protected]>.  For questions about the proposed
group contact Evan Leibovitch <[email protected]>.

BACKGROUND:

Traffic in the existing comp.unix.unixware newsgroup has grown to the
point where splitting it into multiple groups has been proposed and
endorsed by those readers of the group who participated in a straw poll.
Consensus followed that the first 'split' allow a new group to be created
in which 'announcements' from users or vendors could be posted, free
of side-discussions, in the manner of numerous "announce" newsgroups
already existing in the comp.* namespace.

CHARTERS and RATIONALES

CHARTER FOR comp.unix.unixware.announce:

This group is intended To provide a low-noise forum for official
announcements from Novell, users and third-parties supporting UnixWare
products. Product announcements, listings of events and functions,
official statements, availability of archives sites storing UnixWare
binaries or documentation, price lists, press releases and position
papers are all welcome. Frequently Asked Question (FAQ) files, including
but not limited to the extensive UnixWare FAQ maintained by Jim Vlcek,
are also welcome.

Creation of this group would make the existing UnixWare mailing list
gateway easier to manage; it would make useful announcements easier to
archive and/or allow different Usenet expiry times vis. the existing
group.


RATIONALE FOR MODERATION OF comp.unix.unixware.announce:

It is intended that this group will be restricted to one-time-only
announcements, without discussion. The moderation would merely enforce
this simple policy, without being judgemental regarding content or
source.

All articles posted to this group would include a header re-directing
followup discussions of any kind to comp.unix.unixware.misc. Articles
will be encouraged to contain an "Archive-Name" header for the benefit
of sites with automatic archiving software.

The proposed moderator is myself; Evan Leibovitch, creator of the
original Univel mailing list and later the newsgroups biz.univel.misc
and comp.unix.unixware.

Why? Nobody else has come forward during initial discussions. I believe
as a UnixWare VAR I ride a reasonable middle ground between Novell and
end users, as to be not overly siding with one side or another. Indeed,
it seems from this viewpoint that most of the traffic in the newsgroups
so far has not been adversarial. I do not consider the moderation of
this group to be at all controversial.


CHARTER OF comp.unix.unixware.misc:

This will be almost identical to the original charter of the group
comp.unix.unixware, which itself is derived from biz.univel.misc.

This is a general-purpose forum for discussion about products of
Novell's Unix Systems Group, primarily its implementation of Unix
for PC-architecture systems sold under the name UnixWare. Product
announcements and advertisements are now discouraged; postings of
this kind should use the new group comp.unix.unixware.announce.


RATIONALE FOR RENAMING comp.unix.unixware TO comp.unix.unixware.misc:

While the original idea was simply to create a moderated .announce group,
David Lawrence has suggested that it is preferable to rename the current
group at the same time, thus maintaining a consistent namespace. This
will make it easier to create further groups under a comp.unix.unixware.*
hierarchy in the future should the need arise. It will also reduce
cross-posting and simplify news-system administration.

As comp.unix.unixware was gatewayed to the 'univel' mailing list, the
comp.unix.unixware.misc will be, also once renamed.

HOW TO VOTE

Send MAIL to:   [email protected]
Just replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.

-=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
comp.unix.unixware Ballot    <CUU-002> (Don't remove this marker)

Please give your real name here:

[Your Vote]  Group
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[         ]  comp.unix.unixware.misc (replaces comp.unix.unixware)
[         ]  comp.unix.unixware.announce
-=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome.
Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The
votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge-
ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again.
It is your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.

Only one vote per person, no more than one vote per account.  Addresses and
votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.

comp.unix.unixware reorganization Bounce List - No need to revote
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@ig1.att.att.com:[email protected]                                 Bill Williams
[email protected]                                           Stephen M. Dunn

From [email protected] Fri Apr 14 17:44:26 1995
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Steve Bonine)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.unix.unixware,comp.sys.novell,comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.sys5.r3,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.unix.sys5.misc,biz.sco.general
Subject: RESULT: comp.unix.unixware.* passes
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                                RESULT
     comp.unix.unixware reorganization results - 185 valid votes

 Yes   No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group
---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : -------------------------------------------
 156   21 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : comp.unix.unixware.misc (replaces comp.unix.unixware)
 156   23 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : comp.unix.unixware.announce
   2 invalid votes

Newsgroups lines:
comp.unix.unixware.misc	Products of Novell's Unix Systems Group.
comp.unix.unixware.announce	Announcements related to UnixWare. (Moderated)

Voting closed 29:59:59 UTC, 12 April 1995.

This vote was conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions
only contact Steve Bonine <[email protected]>.  For questions about the proposed
group contact Evan Leibovitch <[email protected]>.

CHARTERS

comp.unix.unixware.announce:

This group is intended To provide a low-noise forum for official
announcements from Novell, users and third-parties supporting UnixWare
products. Product announcements, listings of events and functions,
official statements, availability of archives sites storing UnixWare
binaries or documentation, price lists, press releases and position
papers are all welcome. Frequently Asked Question (FAQ) files, including
but not limited to the extensive UnixWare FAQ maintained by Jim Vlcek,
are also welcome.

comp.unix.unixware.misc:

This will be almost identical to the original charter of the group
comp.unix.unixware, which itself is derived from biz.univel.misc.

This is a general-purpose forum for discussion about products of
Novell's Unix Systems Group, primarily its implementation of Unix
for PC-architecture systems sold under the name UnixWare. Product
announcements and advertisements are now discouraged; postings of
this kind should use the new group comp.unix.unixware.announce.

comp.unix.unixware reorganization Final Vote Ack


                                             comp.unix.unixware.announce ----+
                   comp.unix.unixware.misc (replaces comp.unix.unixware) ---+|
                                                                            ||
@ig1.att.att.com:[email protected]                              Bill Williams NN
[email protected]                                      Mike Nielsen YY
[email protected]                                        Larry Abbott YY
[email protected]                                        Stephen Agee Y-
[email protected]                                     Ajmer Singh YY
[email protected]                                   Alexandr Alesinsky YY
[email protected]                           Alan Strassberg YY
[email protected]                                          Andrei B. Ioudine YY
[email protected]                                      Ken Arromdee N-
[email protected]                                   Arthur Marsh YY
[email protected]                                                 Jim Ault YY
[email protected]                                             Adrian Wontroba YY
[email protected]                                             Barrey Jewall YY
[email protected]                                                   Bela Lubkin YY
[email protected]                                 W. J. (Bill) Vermillion YY
[email protected]                                                       B.J. YY
[email protected]                                           Bob Stockler YY
[email protected]                                 Martin H. Booda NN
[email protected]                                      Brian J. Murrell YY
[email protected]                                       Bruce Taylor YY
[email protected]                                                    Bob Smith NN
[email protected]                                                   Simon Casady YY
[email protected]                                 Chris Silva YY
[email protected]                                     Chip Rosenthal YY
[email protected]                                        Leonard Cho YY
[email protected]                              Christopher Sawtell YY
[email protected]                                  Christopher Samuel YY
[email protected]                                     Chris Bare YY
[email protected]                                            Cindy Englander YY
[email protected]                                      Chris Stamper -Y
[email protected]                                                  Ola Aagren YY
[email protected]                                     Craig Orsinger YY
[email protected]                                  K. CROUCH --
[email protected]                                            Christopher Ward NN
[email protected]                                                  Dan Busarow YY
[email protected]                                                 Dan Lorusso YY
[email protected]                                               David Mason YY
[email protected]                                                 David Gray YY
[email protected]                                       bill davidsen YY
[email protected]                                                  NN
[email protected]                                           Carlton Doe YY
[email protected]                                                 Douglas Clinton YY
[email protected]                                              David G King YY
[email protected]                                           Dave Parker YY
[email protected]                                  Doug McCarthy ~ YY
[email protected]                                        David Mosher NY
[email protected]                                     Dana W. Albrecht YY
[email protected]                            Dave Wilbur YY
[email protected]                                                     Ed Hall YY
[email protected]                                          Ed Hew YY
[email protected]                                         Ed Maioriello YY
[email protected]                                             Not available NN
[email protected]                                  Endre Witzoe YY
[email protected]                                        Evan Leibovitch YY
[email protected]                              Louis Towles YY
[email protected]                                                     Fred Horman YY
[email protected]                                         Gary B. Tomlinson  YY
[email protected]                                                Greg YY
[email protected]                                           Graham Crawford YY
[email protected]                                    Lisa A. Selmon YY
[email protected]                                  Greg Whitehead YY
[email protected]                                       James Harvey YY
[email protected]                                             Leon Haverly YY
[email protected]                                       Lennart Regebro YY
[email protected]                                   Henning Holtschneider YY
[email protected]                        Eric M. Hopper -Y
[email protected]                            Howard D. Leadmon YY
[email protected]                                            Ian Hay YY
[email protected]                                                           YY
[email protected]                                             Ian Jackson NN
jac@windmill.hr.att.com                                    Julio A. Cartaya YY
jal@summit.novell.com                                                       YY
jcmurphy@smurfland.cit.buffalo.edu                              Jeff Murphy NN
jcohen@dri.cornell.edu                                  Jeffrey David Cohen YY
jdalmand@news.doas.state.ga.us      James. D. Almand <jdalmand@State.Ga.US> YY
jerijian@seas.ucla.edu                                   Arthur D. Jerijian YY
jht@summit.novell.com                                                       YY
jim@lgx.unisys.ch                                             Jim trethewey YY
jjb@acs.bu.edu                                                  Jason Boyer YY
jjf@dsbc.icl.co.uk                                            J. J. Farrell YY
jkehoe@clark.net                                                 John Kehoe YY
jkt@lichen.SED.Provo.Novell.COM                              Jack Thomasson YY
jls@summit.novell.com                                    Jonathan Schilling YY
jmh@summit.novell.com                                            Jim Hohman YY
Joao.Abreu@doi.cgd.pt                                            Joao Abreu YY
joec@infoark.com                                               Joe Cossette YY
johnb@jsbus.COM                                                John Bazeley YY
jonboy@io.org                                                Trevor Tymchuk NY
jpo@patl.demon.co.uk                                      J. Patrick O'Hara YY
jponko@rsmke.cle.software.rockwell.com                          Jerry Ponko YY
jpr@jpr.com                                              Jean-Pierre Radley YY
jptomkins@peg.apc.org                                           J.P.Tomkins YY
jrm@globalvillag.com                                  John R. MacWilliamson NN
jrm@quest1.questconsult.com                                      John Moyer NN
kbrannen@metronet.com                                         Kevin Brannen YY
kork@imagelan.com                                                Kirk Olsen YY
krman@krman.peinet.pe.ca                                       Kevin MacRae YY
l35286@alfa.ist.utl.pt                             Joao Carlos Neves Cabral YY
larryp@sco.com                                                 Larry Philps YY
laurence@netcom.com                                    Andrew Laurence, CNE YY
lee@dlpco.com                                                   D. Lee Penn YY
Lee_Choquette@Novell.COM                                      Lee Choquette YY
lef@summit.novell.com                                          Larry Feigen YY
ler@lerami.lerctr.org                                        Larry Rosenman YY
list-votes@dream.hb.north.de                               Martin Schr"oder YY
llf@summit.novell.com                                            Lynda Feng YY
loewis@informatik.hu-berlin.de                            Martin von Loewis YY
marc@algorithmics.com                                        Marc Moorcroft NN
mark@lewisham.demon.co.uk                                    Mark Alexander YY
mars@HK.Super.Net                                         Mr. Masrudyn Main YY
matt@Logical.NET                                               Matt Gourley YY
mattc@teportpc.SanDiegoCA.ATTGIS.CO                        Matthew Costello YY
max@texsys.com                                                  Max Heffler YY
mbm@dsbc.icl.co.uk                                       Malcolm Mladenovic YY
mg@ac.duke.edu                                                Michael Grubb YY
MICHAEL@gcccc.guam.net                                 Michael D. Setzer II YY
michael@linus.mitre.org                                     michael aldrich YY
michaelh@cet.co.jp                                          Michael Hancock YY
miked@summit.novell.com                                 D. Michael Drangula YY
mikeq@PrimeNet.Com                                          Michael Quinlan YY
mingus@summit.novell.com                                Marcel-Franck Simon YY
misar@hp56.rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de                      Walter Misar -N
mmt@redbrick.com                                              M Mike Taksar Y-
mrstampe@mailbox.syr.edu                                   Marjorie Stamper -Y
msattler@jungle.com                                         Michael Sattler YY
msohnius@stubai.ukb.novell.com                               Martin Sohnius YY
Nate.Edel@Dartmouth.EDU                                      Nathan K. Edel NN
nick@inferno.fc.hp.com                                       Nick Ingegneri NN
nlm@summit.novell.com                                           nancy mintz YY
nmakry@athena.compulink.forthnet.gr                 Nikolaos Makrymanolakis YY
otto@vaxb.acs.unt.edu                      M. "gave my real name here" Otto --
patl@lcs.mit.edu                                        Patrick J. LoPresti NN
paul@dexter.mindspring.com                                    Paul F. Wells YY
pconnell@novell.co.uk                  Peter Connolly (pconnell@novell.com) YY
pcr@ic.net                                                        phil reed YY
pdecker@lds.loral.com                                      Philip J. Decker YY
pen7cmc@cabell.vcu.edu                                 Charles M. Castevens YY
peter@haywire.DIALix.COM                                         Peter Wemm YY
pierre@shell.portal.com                                     Pierre Uszynski YN
pjt@asbt14.phx1.aro.allied.com                               Philip J. Tait YY
pw@cacs.usl.edu                                        Pirawat Watanapongse YY
quzi@rci.ripco.com                                             Bob Kusumoto YY
r.alphey@dce.vic.gov.au                                      Russell Alphey YY
rick@bcm.tmc.edu                                             Richard Miller YY
rjbu@summit.novell.com                                           Bob Butera YY
rob@chch.planet.co.nz                                            Rob Cooper YY
rob@facl.lan.mcgill.ca                                    Robert Macfarlane YY
roberto@hsc.fr.net                                          Ollivier Robert YY
roger@larry.westfalen.de                                   Roger Schwentker YY
roger@westlinn.com                                           Roger Brubaker YY
rogerk@QueerNet.ORG                                      Roger B.A. Klorese YY
rorsini@iadfw.net                                                  Charlene YY
rutan@cat.com                                                    Kent Rutan YY
rwm@novell.co.uk                                                  Bob Mitze YY
S.R.Iskandarani@ns.nl.cis.philips.com                   ing. Iskandarani S. YY
scott@ccc-van.crusade.org                                      Scott Advani YY
sfuller@netins.net                                             Steve Fuller YY
sgk@itco.msk.su                                              Serge Koloboff YY
snyder@ic.net                                                    Tim Snyder Y-
stainles@bga.com                                               Dwight Brown NN
stephen@bokonon.UUCP                                        Stephen M. Dunn YY
steve@presoft.com                                        Steve Kohlenberger YY
steve@up.edu                                                     Steve Ward YY
stoney@oyster.smcm.edu                                        Stanley Toney YY
SUPERVISOR@ipe-n.et.uni-magdeburg.de                   Martin Wollschlaeger YY
swt@ono.aca.com                                           Stephen W. Thomas YY
tacraft@ccs.carleton.ca                                     Christina Craft YN
tbillany@cix.compulink.co.uk                                  Terry Billany YY
tgm@netcom.com                                         Thomas G. McWilliams NN
thh@cyberscience.com                                             Tom Hughes YY
thorsh@halcyon.com                                             Jeff Thorson YY
timg@hces.com                                              Timothy S Graham YY
tlwake@amoco.com                                                   Tim Wake YY
tma@encore.com                                                     Thanh Ma YY
tom@avatar.ftc.nrcs.usda.gov                                    Tom Rudnick YY
tomc@kendeco.com                                                  Tom Cross YY
tony@bosauto.com                                                 Tony Camas -Y
uhclem@m-net.arbornet.org                                     Jeff Spindler NN
UZ33105@vm1.ulg.ac.be                                           Van de Paar YY
vedge!alan@iros1.IRO.UMontreal.CA                                Alan Rooks YY
vince@gemstar.com                                            Vince Callaway YY
weber@rhrk.uni-kl.de                                   Christoph Weber-Fahr YY
wrightg@wimsey.com                                              Greg Wright NN
wth0019@decster.uta.edu                                        Billy Harris -N
zeus@jhu.edu                                                Jeffrey M. Odom YN


Votes in error
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earth@nanguo.cstpl.com.au                                      Robert Chalmers
   ! No vote statement in message
root@siprel.it                                                 Marco Marcinno'
   ! Invalid address

 
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