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From [email protected] Sat Apr  4 02:23:05 1992
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.windows.ms,comp.windows.ms.programmer
From: [email protected] (Tom Haapanen)
Subject: RFD:  comp.windows.ms reorganization
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: Waterloo Engineering Software
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1992 17:35:47 GMT

This reorganization proposal includes the moving of the comp.windows.ms
hierarchy from the current comp.windows subtree to the comp.os subtree,
to the comp.os.windows hierarchy.

Further, this proposal includes six new newsgroups designed to reduce the
volume of traffic in the existing groups in the windows hierarchy to
manageable levels, as well as the renaming of the two existing general 
groups to .misc groups for consistency with the rest of the comp hierarchy.
The current level of traffic is approaching 1500 articles/month in the main
group, and is expected to increase with the impending release of Windows 3.1.

These two proposals are first summarized and then detailed below, including
their rationales.  The actual voting will include separate votes for each
group, and for the hierarchy change.  A summary of recent traffic (from the
latest arbitron reports) is also included after the proposals.

The moderator for the proposed comp.os.windows.announce has not yet been
selected.  If you wish to volunteer, please contact [email protected]

Please post comments to news.groups and comp.windows.ms only, or email them
to [email protected]  The discussion period will extend until 3 April, 1992.

----------------------------------------

SUMMARY

    A.  MOVE   comp.windows.ms            TO   comp.os.windows

    B1. RENAME comp.windows.ms            TO comp.os.windows.misc
    B2. RENAME comp.windows.ms.programmer TO comp.os.windows.programmer.misc

    B3. CREATE comp.os.windows.announce *
    B4. CREATE comp.os.windows.apps
    B5. CREATE comp.os.windows.{setup|config} **
    B6. CREATE comp.os.windows.{advocacy|discuss} **
    B7. CREATE comp.os.windows.programmer.tools
    B8. CREATE comp.os.windows.programmer.win32

    *  moderator not yet selected
    ** final group names to be determined during discussion period

----------------------------------------

A. MOVE comp.windows.ms TO comp.os.windows

    "An operating system provides the means for the proper use of [hardware,
    software and data] in the operation of the computer system.  Like a
    government, the operating system performs no useful function by itself.
    It simply provides an environment within which other programs can do
    useful work."  [Operating System Concepts, Silverberg]

    For all the debate about Windows versions deserving the title "Operating
    System", it should not be doubted that Windows is intended to be one.  No
    one would doubt that Windows NT is a complete operating system, and upon
    closer examination, Windows 3.0 Enhanced mode should be recognised as a
    complete operating system which lacks only a native file system. Windows
    Enhanced mode fields all hardware access, and performs all process control
    and memory management functions. Sometimes Windows passes on virtual I/O
    requests to the virtualised MS-DOS which is encapsulated by Windows, in
    order that MS-Dos can use 'old' device drivers, TSRs and applications,
    and sometimes Windows passes on physical I/O requests to its own native
    device driver model known as VxDs or "Virtual Device Drivers".  It is not
    correct to say that Windows runs "on top of" MS-Dos, rather, once Windows
    is loaded Windows runs on top of the hardware, encapsulates MS-DOS, and
    uses it for backward compatibility.  Windows NT does not use any part of
    MS-DOS at any time to perform its functions.

    If comp.os.cpm & comp.os.msdos are deserving of their place in the
    hierarchy, then comp.os.windows is more deserving.  Windows competes
    with OS/2, AT&T Unix, Solaris, NextStep, Univell, OSF/1 and Macintosh
    for the attention of developers and customers.  Windows NT clearly
    belongs in the comp.os hierarchy, and it would be wrong to separate
    comp.os.windows.nt and comp.windows.ms, since they have a common API,
    a common user interface and a common set of applications.

    Now is the time to move comp.windows.ms to comp.os.windows, and to
    discuss relevant issues in the relevant place.

----------------------------------------

B. CREATE and/or RENAME groups as shown below:

    PROPOSED NAME:     comp.os.windows.announce
    PROPOSED STATUS:   Moderated.
    PROPOSED CHARTER:  This moderated newsgroup is intended for all
		       announcements relating to the Windows environment.
		       This may include, but is not limited to, Windows-
		       based software, Windows-compatible hardware and any
		       Windows-related conferences and other events.  No
		       discussion will be permitted in this group.

    PROPOSED NAME:     comp.os.windows.apps
    PROPOSED STATUS:   Unmoderated.
    PROPOSED CHARTER:  This group is intended for discussions about the
		       applications available for running in the Microsoft
		       Windows environment.

    PROPOSED NAME:     comp.os.windows.{setup|config}
    PROPOSED STATUS:   Unmoderated.
    PROPOSED CHARTER:  This group is intended for discussions and questions
		       about the Windows setup and installation process,
		       hardware compatability issues as well as general
		       hardware use and performance issues.

    PROPOSED NAME:     comp.os.windows.{advocacy|discuss}
    PROPOSED STATUS:   Unmoderated.
    PROPOSED CHARTER:  This group is intended for general-level discussions
		       about Windows, and especially rumors, speculation,
		       unannounced products, pricing, support, upgrade poli-
		       cies, and comparisons to other operating systems.

    PROPOSED NAME:     comp.os.windows.misc  (RENAMED)
    PROPOSED STATUS:   Unmoderated.
    PROPOSED CHARTER:  This group is intended for all other discussion and
		       questions about specific Windows issues, such as topics
		       relating to Program and File Managers and use of fonts,
		       except issues covered by comp.os.windows.advocacy.

    PROPOSED NAME:     comp.os.windows.programmer.tools
    PROPOSED STATUS:   Unmoderated.
    PROPOSED CHARTER:  This group is intended for discussion and questions
		       about Windows development tools.  This includes topics
		       such as compiler selection, help compiler, CASE tools,
		       integrated environments and any tool-specific issues
		       (such as using DLLs from Visual Basic).

    PROPOSED NAME:     comp.os.windows.programmer.win32
    PROPOSED STATUS:   Unmoderated.
    PROPOSED CHARTER:  This group is intended for discussion and questions
		       about the Win32 32-bit Windows API (application prog-
		       ramming interface), including Windows NT and Win32s.

    PROPOSED NAME:     comp.os.windows.programmer.misc  (RENAMED)
    PROPOSED STATUS:   Unmoderated.
    PROPOSED CHARTER:  This group is intended for all other discussion and
		       questions about specific Windows development issues,
		       such as DLLs, DDE, OLE, handles, memory management,
		       common dialogs and other relevant issues.

----------------------------------------

ARBITRON STATISTICS FOR comp.windows.ms.*

       +-- Estimated total number of people who read the group, worldwide.
       |     +-- Actual number of readers in sampled population
       |     |     +-- Propagation: how many sites receive this group at all
       |     |     |      +-- Recent traffic (messages per month)
       |     |     |      |      +-- Recent traffic (kilobytes per month)
       |     |     |      |      |    +-- Crossposting percentage
       |     |     |      |      |    |    +-- Cost ratio: $US/month/rdr
       |     |     |      |      |    |    |     +-- Share: % of newsreaders
       |     |     |      |      |    |    |     |   who read this group.
       V     V     V      V      V    V    V     V
 48  75000  1709  87%  1554  2388.0  6%  0.06  4.0%  comp.windows.ms
157  45000  1021  82%   820  1176.0  7%  0.04  2.4%  comp.windows.ms.programmer
-- 
[ \tom haapanen    "i don't even know what street canada is on" -- al capone ]
[ [email protected]                   "trust the programmer" -- ansi c standard ]
[ waterloo engineering software        "to thine own self be true" -- hamlet ]

From [email protected] Sun Apr 19 22:00:42 1992
Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2220 news.groups:48788 comp.windows.ms:29711 comp.windows.ms.programmer:10793
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.windows.ms,comp.windows.ms.programmer
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Tom Haapanen)
Subject: CFV:  comp.windows.ms reorganization
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Followup-To: poster
Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence)
Reply-To: [email protected]
Organization: Waterloo Engineering Software
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 18:16:09 GMT
Approved: [email protected]
Lines: 179

				CALL FOR VOTES
				--------------
			comp.windows.ms reorganization

This proposal includes the moving of the comp.windows.ms hierarchy from the
current comp.windows subtree to the comp.os subtree, to comp.os.ms-windows.

Further, this proposal includes six new newsgroups designed to reduce the
volume of traffic in the existing groups in the windows hierarchy to
manageable levels, as well as the renaming of the two existing general 
groups to .misc groups for consistency with the rest of the comp hierarchy.
The current level of traffic is approaching 2000 messages/month in the main
group, and is expected to increase with the impending release of Windows 3.1.
The current Arbitron-estimated readership is 95,000.

The proposed moderator for the Windows hierarchy .announce group is Todd Derr
([email protected]).

This Call for Votes consists of two parts: first, the ballot form you need to
fill out to vote for or against the groups, and second, a detailed explanation
of the proposed groups.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~cut here~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~cut here~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

HOW TO VOTE:
    For each of the following proposals, enter YES or NO after the colon at
    the end of the line (or leave blank if you do not wish to express a
    preference).  Return the completed ballot to [email protected], to be
    received by 11:59 pm, May 3, 1992.  Received votes will be
    ackowledged en masse in a posting to news.announce.newgroups.


PART 1:

    MOVE comp.windows.ms TO comp.os.ms-windows         :


PART 2: these group names are relative to either comp.os.ms-windows or to
	comp.windows.ms, depending on the result of the vote in PART 1.

    RENAME base group to .misc                         :
    RENAME base .programmer group to .programmer.misc  :
    CREATE new group .advocacy                         :
    CREATE new group .announce (moderated)             :
    CREATE new group .apps                             :
    CREATE new group .setup                            :
    CREATE new group .programmer.tools                 :
    CREATE new group .programmer.win32                 :

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~cut here~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~cut here~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

A. MOVE comp.windows.ms TO comp.os.ms-windows

    "An operating system provides the means for the proper use of [hardware,
    software and data] in the operation of the computer system.  Like a
    government, the operating system performs no useful function by itself.
    It simply provides an environment within which other programs can do
    useful work."  [_Operating_System_Concepts_, Peterson and Silberschatz]

    For all the debate about Windows versions deserving the title "Operating
    System", it should not be doubted that Windows is intended to be one.  No
    one would doubt that Windows NT is a complete operating system, and upon
    closer examination, Windows 3.0 Enhanced mode should be recognised as a
    complete operating system which lacks only a native file system. Windows
    Enhanced mode fields all hardware access, and performs all process control
    and memory management functions. Sometimes Windows passes on virtual I/O
    requests to the virtualised MS-DOS which is encapsulated by Windows, in
    order that MS-Dos can use 'old' device drivers, TSRs and applications,
    and sometimes Windows passes on physical I/O requests to its own native
    device driver model known as VxDs or "Virtual Device Drivers".  It is not
    correct to say that Windows runs "on top of" MS-Dos, rather, once Windows
    is loaded Windows runs on top of the hardware, encapsulates MS-DOS, and
    uses it for backward compatibility.  Windows NT does not use any part of
    MS-DOS at any time to perform its functions.

    If comp.os.cpm & comp.os.msdos are deserving of their place in the
    hierarchy, then comp.os.windows is more deserving.  Windows competes
    with OS/2, AT&T Unix, Solaris, NextStep, Univell, OSF/1 and Macintosh
    for the attention of developers and customers.  Windows NT clearly
    belongs in the comp.os hierarchy, and it would be wrong to separate
    comp.os.windows.nt and comp.windows.ms, since they have a common API,
    a common user interface and a common set of applications.

    Finally, whether or not you agree that Windows is an operating system,
    millions of Windows users do believe it.  Placing the hierarchy at
    comp.os.ms-windows will make it easier for these users to find the 
    correct newsgroup.

    Now is the time to move comp.windows.ms to comp.os.ms-windows, and to
    discuss relevant issues in the relevant place.

----------------------------------------

B. CREATE and/or RENAME groups as shown below:

    {base-group-name} is either comp.windows.ms or comp.os.ms-windows,
    depending on the result of the vote on moving to the comp.os hierarchy.

    PROPOSED NAME:     {base-group-name}.announce
    PROPOSED STATUS:   Moderated by Todd Derr <[email protected]>
    PROPOSED CHARTER:  This moderated newsgroup is intended for all
		       announcements relating to the Windows environment.
		       This may include, but is not limited to, Windows
		       software products, Windows-compatible hardware and
		       any Windows-related conferences and other events.

    PROPOSED NAME:     {base-group-name}.apps
    PROPOSED STATUS:   Unmoderated.
    PROPOSED CHARTER:  This group is intended for discussions about the
		       applications available for running in the Microsoft
		       Windows environment.

    PROPOSED NAME:     {base-group-name}.setup
    PROPOSED STATUS:   Unmoderated.
    PROPOSED CHARTER:  This group is intended for discussions and questions
		       about the Windows setup and installation process,
		       hardware compatability issues as well as general
		       hardware use and performance issues.

    PROPOSED NAME:     {base-group-name}.advocacy
    PROPOSED STATUS:   Unmoderated.
    PROPOSED CHARTER:  This group is intended for general-level discussions
		       about Windows, and especially rumors, speculation,
		       unannounced products, pricing, support, upgrade poli-
		       cies, and comparisons to other operating systems.

    PROPOSED NAME:     {base-group-name}.misc  (RENAMED)
    PROPOSED STATUS:   Unmoderated.
    PROPOSED CHARTER:  This group is intended for all other discussion and
		       questions about specific Windows issues, such as topics
		       relating to Program and File Managers and use of fonts,
		       except issues covered by {base-group-name}.advocacy.

    PROPOSED NAME:     {base-group-name}.programmer.tools
    PROPOSED STATUS:   Unmoderated.
    PROPOSED CHARTER:  This group is intended for discussion and questions
		       about Windows development tools.  This includes topics
		       such as compiler selection, help compiler, CASE tools,
		       integrated environments and any tool-specific issues
		       (such as using DLLs from Visual Basic).

    PROPOSED NAME:     {base-group-name}.programmer.win32
    PROPOSED STATUS:   Unmoderated.
    PROPOSED CHARTER:  This group is intended for discussion and questions
		       about the Win32 32-bit Windows API (application prog-
		       ramming interface), including Windows NT and Win32s.

    PROPOSED NAME:     {base-group-name}.programmer.misc  (RENAMED)
    PROPOSED STATUS:   Unmoderated.
    PROPOSED CHARTER:  This group is intended for all other discussion and
		       questions about specific Windows development issues,
		       such as DLLs, DDE, OLE, handles, memory management,
		       common dialogs and other relevant issues.

----------------------------------------

ARBITRON STATISTICS FOR comp.windows.ms.*

       +-- Estimated total number of people who read the group, worldwide.
       |     +-- Actual number of readers in sampled population
       |     |     +-- Propagation: how many sites receive this group at all
       |     |     |      +-- Recent traffic (messages per month)
       |     |     |      |      +-- Recent traffic (kilobytes per month)
       |     |     |      |      |    +-- Crossposting percentage
       |     |     |      |      |    |    +-- Cost ratio: $US/month/rdr
       |     |     |      |      |    |    |     +-- Share: % of newsreaders
       |     |     |      |      |    |    |     |   who read this group.
       V     V     V      V      V    V    V     V
Last month (March):
 31  95000  1940  86%  1850  2852.2 12%  0.05  4.5%  comp.windows.ms
142  53000  1090  82%   680  1006.6  4%  0.03  2.5%  comp.windows.ms.programmer

Previous month (February):
 48  75000  1709  87%  1554  2388.0  6%  0.06  4.0%  comp.windows.ms
157  45000  1021  82%   820  1176.0  7%  0.04  2.4%  comp.windows.ms.programmer
-- 
[ \tom haapanen    "i don't even know what street canada is on" -- al capone ]
[ [email protected]                   "trust the programmer" -- ansi c standard ]
[ waterloo engineering software      "to thine own self be true" -- polonius ]

From [email protected] Mon Apr 20 12:46:45 1992
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.windows.ms,comp.windows.ms.programmer,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.msdos.misc
From: [email protected] (The vote taker)
Subject: 2nd CFV:  comp.windows.ms reorganization
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Waterloo Engineering Software
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1992 14:53:00 GMT

			      2nd CALL FOR VOTES
			      ------------------
			comp.windows.ms reorganization

This proposal includes the moving of the comp.windows.ms hierarchy from the
current comp.windows subtree to the comp.os subtree, to comp.os.ms-windows.

Further, this proposal includes six new newsgroups designed to reduce the
volume of traffic in the existing groups in the windows hierarchy to
manageable levels, as well as the renaming of the two existing general 
groups to .misc groups for consistency with the rest of the comp hierarchy.
The current level of traffic is approaching 2000 messages/month in the main
group, and is expected to increase with the impending release of Windows 3.1.
The current Arbitron-estimated readership is 95,000.

The proposed moderator for the Windows hierarchy .announce group is Todd Derr
([email protected]).

This Call for Votes consists of two parts: first, the ballot form you need to
fill out to vote for or against the groups, and second, a detailed explanation
of the proposed groups.

NOTE: Votes received to date have been acknowledged individually by mail. 
      If you have voted and haven't received an acknowledgement message, 
      please contact [email protected]

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~cut here~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~cut here~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

HOW TO VOTE:
    For each of the following proposals, enter YES or NO after the colon at
    the end of the line (or leave blank if you do not wish to express a
    preference).  Return the completed ballot to [email protected], to be
    received by 11:59 pm, May 3, 1992.  Received votes will be acknowledged
    individually by mail, and also in the results, which will be posted to
    news.announce.newgroups.


PART 1:

    MOVE comp.windows.ms TO comp.os.ms-windows         :


PART 2: these group names are relative to either comp.os.ms-windows or to
	comp.windows.ms, depending on the result of the vote in PART 1.

    RENAME base group to .misc                         :
    RENAME base .programmer group to .programmer.misc  :
    CREATE new group .advocacy                         :
    CREATE new group .announce (moderated)             :
    CREATE new group .apps                             :
    CREATE new group .setup                            :
    CREATE new group .programmer.tools                 :
    CREATE new group .programmer.win32                 :

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~cut here~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~cut here~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

A. MOVE comp.windows.ms TO comp.os.ms-windows

    "An operating system provides the means for the proper use of [hardware,
    software and data] in the operation of the computer system.  Like a
    government, the operating system performs no useful function by itself.
    It simply provides an environment within which other programs can do
    useful work."  [_Operating_System_Concepts_, Peterson and Silberschatz]

    For all the debate about Windows versions deserving the title "Operating
    System", it should not be doubted that Windows is intended to be one.  No
    one would doubt that Windows NT is a complete operating system, and upon
    closer examination, Windows 3.0 Enhanced mode should be recognised as a
    complete operating system which lacks only a native file system. Windows
    Enhanced mode fields all hardware access, and performs all process control
    and memory management functions. Sometimes Windows passes on virtual I/O
    requests to the virtualised MS-DOS which is encapsulated by Windows, in
    order that MS-Dos can use 'old' device drivers, TSRs and applications,
    and sometimes Windows passes on physical I/O requests to its own native
    device driver model known as VxDs or "Virtual Device Drivers".  It is not
    correct to say that Windows runs "on top of" MS-Dos, rather, once Windows
    is loaded Windows runs on top of the hardware, encapsulates MS-DOS, and
    uses it for backward compatibility.  Windows NT does not use any part of
    MS-DOS at any time to perform its functions.

    If comp.os.cpm & comp.os.msdos are deserving of their place in the
    hierarchy, then comp.os.windows is more deserving.  Windows competes
    with OS/2, AT&T Unix, Solaris, NextStep, Univell, OSF/1 and Macintosh
    for the attention of developers and customers.  Windows NT clearly
    belongs in the comp.os hierarchy, and it would be wrong to separate
    comp.os.windows.nt and comp.windows.ms, since they have a common API,
    a common user interface and a common set of applications.

    Finally, whether or not you agree that Windows is an operating system,
    millions of Windows users do believe it.  Placing the hierarchy at
    comp.os.ms-windows will make it easier for these users to find the 
    correct newsgroup.

    Now is the time to move comp.windows.ms to comp.os.ms-windows, and to
    discuss relevant issues in the relevant place.

----------------------------------------

B. CREATE and/or RENAME groups as shown below:

    {base-group-name} is either comp.windows.ms or comp.os.ms-windows,
    depending on the result of the vote on moving to the comp.os hierarchy.

    PROPOSED NAME:     {base-group-name}.announce
    PROPOSED STATUS:   Moderated by Todd Derr <[email protected]>
    PROPOSED CHARTER:  This moderated newsgroup is intended for all
		       announcements relating to the Windows environment.
		       This may include, but is not limited to, Windows
		       software products, Windows-compatible hardware and
		       any Windows-related conferences and other events.

    PROPOSED NAME:     {base-group-name}.apps
    PROPOSED STATUS:   Unmoderated.
    PROPOSED CHARTER:  This group is intended for discussions about the
		       applications available for running in the Microsoft
		       Windows environment.

    PROPOSED NAME:     {base-group-name}.setup
    PROPOSED STATUS:   Unmoderated.
    PROPOSED CHARTER:  This group is intended for discussions and questions
		       about the Windows setup and installation process,
		       hardware compatability issues as well as general
		       hardware use and performance issues.

    PROPOSED NAME:     {base-group-name}.advocacy
    PROPOSED STATUS:   Unmoderated.
    PROPOSED CHARTER:  This group is intended for general-level discussions
		       about Windows, and especially rumors, speculation,
		       unannounced products, pricing, support, upgrade poli-
		       cies, and comparisons to other operating systems.

    PROPOSED NAME:     {base-group-name}.misc  (RENAMED)
    PROPOSED STATUS:   Unmoderated.
    PROPOSED CHARTER:  This group is intended for all other discussion and
		       questions about specific Windows issues, such as topics
		       relating to Program and File Managers and use of fonts,
		       except issues covered by {base-group-name}.advocacy.

    PROPOSED NAME:     {base-group-name}.programmer.tools
    PROPOSED STATUS:   Unmoderated.
    PROPOSED CHARTER:  This group is intended for discussion and questions
		       about Windows development tools.  This includes topics
		       such as compiler selection, help compiler, CASE tools,
		       integrated environments and any tool-specific issues
		       (such as using DLLs from Visual Basic).

    PROPOSED NAME:     {base-group-name}.programmer.win32
    PROPOSED STATUS:   Unmoderated.
    PROPOSED CHARTER:  This group is intended for discussion and questions
		       about the Win32 32-bit Windows API (application prog-
		       ramming interface), including Windows NT and Win32s.

    PROPOSED NAME:     {base-group-name}.programmer.misc  (RENAMED)
    PROPOSED STATUS:   Unmoderated.
    PROPOSED CHARTER:  This group is intended for all other discussion and
		       questions about specific Windows development issues,
		       such as DLLs, DDE, OLE, handles, memory management,
		       common dialogs and other relevant issues.

----------------------------------------

ARBITRON STATISTICS FOR comp.windows.ms.*

       +-- Estimated total number of people who read the group, worldwide.
       |     +-- Actual number of readers in sampled population
       |     |     +-- Propagation: how many sites receive this group at all
       |     |     |      +-- Recent traffic (messages per month)
       |     |     |      |      +-- Recent traffic (kilobytes per month)
       |     |     |      |      |    +-- Crossposting percentage
       |     |     |      |      |    |    +-- Cost ratio: $US/month/rdr
       |     |     |      |      |    |    |     +-- Share: % of newsreaders
       |     |     |      |      |    |    |     |   who read this group.
       V     V     V      V      V    V    V     V
Last month (March):
 31  95000  1940  86%  1850  2852.2 12%  0.05  4.5%  comp.windows.ms
142  53000  1090  82%   680  1006.6  4%  0.03  2.5%  comp.windows.ms.programmer

Previous month (February):
 48  75000  1709  87%  1554  2388.0  6%  0.06  4.0%  comp.windows.ms
157  45000  1021  82%   820  1176.0  7%  0.04  2.4%  comp.windows.ms.programmer
-- 
[ \tom haapanen    "i don't even know what street canada is on" -- al capone ]
[ [email protected]                   "trust the programmer" -- ansi c standard ]
[ waterloo engineering software      "to thine own self be true" -- polonius ]

From [email protected] Tue May  5 12:07:19 1992
Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2292 news.groups:50335 comp.windows.ms:32155 comp.windows.ms.programmer:11379 comp.os.os2.misc:18960
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.windows.ms,comp.windows.ms.programmer,comp.os.os2.misc
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (The vote taker)
Subject: RESULT:  comp.windows.ms reorganization passes
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Followup-To: news.groups
Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence)
Organization: Waterloo Engineering Software
Date: Tue, 5 May 1992 15:55:00 GMT
Approved: [email protected]
Lines: 411

This article contains the results of the comp.windows.ms reorganization vote.
Voting was closed at 11:59 pm on May 3, 1992.  A total of 324 votes (plus
several duplicates) were received; no votes were disqualified.  

SUMMARY
-------
The following is a summary of the votes for each proposal:

    Total votes:		 324
     
    Proposal                    Group                Yes   No  Margin  Pct
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    MOVE comp.windows.ms to     comp.os.ms-windows   226   82   144    73%
    RENAME base group to        .misc                276   36   240    88%
    RENAME .programmer group to .programmer.misc     229   72   157    76%
    CREATE new group            .advocacy            230   70   160    77%
    CREATE new group            .announce            285   27   258    91%
    CREATE new group            .apps                284   28   256    91%
    CREATE new group            .setup               263   46   219    85%
    CREATE new group            .programmer.tools    239   64   175    79%
    CREATE new group            .programmer.win32    224   73   151    75%

As shown, all proposals meet the two voting criteria in the guidelines,
(YES - NO > 100) and (YES > 2 * NO).  Individual votes are listed at the
end of this article.  

Of the total 324 voters, 34 were from Microsoft.  Although this is a
relatively high number, it is only about 10% of the total votes.  In 
addition, all proposals would have passed even if the Microsoft votes
were not to be counted.


CHARTERS
--------
comp.os.ms-windows.announce (MODERATED)
    announcements relating to the Windows environment.  This may include,
    but is not limited to, Windows software products, Windows-compatible
    hardware and any Windows-related conferences and other events.
    *** Moderated by Todd Derr <[email protected]> ***

comp.os.ms-windows.apps
    This group is intended for discussions about the applications
    available for running in the Microsoft Windows environment.

comp.os.ms-windows.setup
    This group is intended for discussions and questions about the Windows
    setup and installation process, hardware compatability issues as well
    as general hardware use and performance issues.

comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
    This group is intended for general-level discussions about Windows,
    and especially rumors, speculation, unannounced products, pricing, 
    upgrade policies, and comparisons to other operating systems.

comp.os.ms-windows.misc (RENAMED from comp.windows.ms)
    This group is intended for all other discussion and questions about
    specific Windows issues, such as topics relating to Program and File
    Managers and use of fonts, except issues covered by
    comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy.

comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools
    This group is intended for discussion and questions about Windows
    development tools.  This includes topics such as compiler selection,
    help compiler, CASE tools, integrated environments and any tool-
    specific issues (such as using DLLs from Visual Basic).

comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
    This group is intended for discussion and questions about the Win32
    32-bit Windows API (application programming interface), including
    Windows NT and Win32s.

comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc (RENAMED from comp.windows.ms.programmer)
    This group is intended for all other discussion and questions about
    specific Windows development issues, such as DLLs, DDE, OLE, handles,
    memory management, common dialogs and other relevant issues.


VOTER LISTING
-------------
The vote listing shows a Y or N for each of the nine categories (see SUMMARY
for the order of categories), or '-' for categories where the voter did not
indicate a preference.

Aaron Bregel <[email protected]>                   Y N N Y Y Y Y N Y
Aaron Wallace <[email protected]>                Y N N Y Y Y Y N Y
Adam Walkees <[email protected]>                       Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Ade Barkah <[email protected]>             N N N N N N N N N
Adrian Goldman <[email protected]>                 N - - - - - - - -
Ake Knutsson <[email protected]>                            Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Aki Saari <[email protected]>                       Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Alan Walford <[email protected]>                    Y N N Y N Y Y N Y
Alex Telford <[email protected]>                     Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Alexander Kasman <[email protected]>                 Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Alistair Banks <[email protected]>                   Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Alonzo Gariepy <[email protected]>                     Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
[email protected]                            Y Y Y N Y Y N N Y
[email protected]                                    Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Andrei L. Davydov <[email protected]>                    Y Y N Y Y Y Y N Y
Andrew Boyko <[email protected]>                        N Y Y N Y Y Y Y N
Andrew BW Colfelt <[email protected]>             Y N N Y Y Y Y Y Y
Andrew Schouten <[email protected]>                     Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Andrew Walters <[email protected]>           Y N - N Y N N - -
[email protected]                                            Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Ashok Aiyar <[email protected]>                           Y N N Y Y Y Y Y N
Ben Combee <[email protected]>                     Y Y Y N Y Y Y Y Y
Bengt Larsson <[email protected]>                       Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Benjamin Fan <[email protected]>                 Y Y N N Y N N N N
Beth Schwindt <[email protected]>                     Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Bill McCormick <[email protected]>     Y Y Y Y Y Y - Y Y
[email protected]                            - Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
[email protected]                                     Y Y Y Y N Y Y Y Y
Bob Grudem <[email protected]>                         Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Bob Rusbasan <[email protected]>                Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
[email protected]                                        Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Brad Debroni <[email protected]>                       Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Brad Taplin <[email protected]>              N Y Y N Y Y Y Y N
Brian Corrigan <[email protected]>              Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Brian Dockter <[email protected]>                             N Y Y - - - - - -
Brian J. Catlin <[email protected]>      N Y N N Y Y N N N
Brian Kerman <[email protected]>                           N Y N Y Y Y Y N N
Brian McCashin <[email protected]>                    Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Brian Smithson <[email protected]>              Y Y Y N N Y Y Y N
Brian Vetter <[email protected]>                   Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Brian Wyld <[email protected]>                          Y Y Y - - - - Y Y
Bruce Barnett <[email protected]>                 Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Bruce C. Wright <[email protected]>                      N Y N N Y Y Y N N
Bruce Oneel  <[email protected]>                  Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
C.B. Leyerle <[email protected]>                          Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Carl M. Kadie <[email protected]>                         Y Y - - Y Y Y - -
Carl Rigney <[email protected]>                                 Y Y Y N N N N N N
Carlo Sgro <[email protected]>                           N Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Caroline Moran <[email protected]>                   Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
cc.curtin.edu.au!Chamberlain_WT                           Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Charles Fee <[email protected]>                        N Y N Y N N N N N
Charles Forsythe <[email protected]>                N Y Y Y Y Y N Y N
Charlie Lear <[email protected]>                       N Y Y N Y Y Y Y Y
[email protected]                                      N N N N N N N N N
Chip Rosenthal <[email protected]>                 - - - - - - N N N
Chris Guzak <[email protected]>                        Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Chris Lafournaise <[email protected]>             Y Y Y Y Y Y N Y N
[email protected]                            Y N N Y Y Y Y Y Y
[email protected]                                   N Y N Y Y Y Y Y N
Christoph Mueller <[email protected]>                Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Christopher Biow <[email protected]>                        Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Claus Giloi <[email protected]>                       Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Claus Kjaergaard <[email protected]>                    N N N N Y Y Y Y Y
Clay Bridges <[email protected]>                           Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Corne Brouwers <[email protected]>                             Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Curt Lindner <[email protected]>                  Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
[email protected]                                      N Y Y N Y Y Y Y Y
Dale Lutz <[email protected]>                                    - Y Y Y Y Y Y Y N
Dan Steele <[email protected]>                         Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Daniel Bien <[email protected]>             Y N N Y Y Y Y Y Y
Danny Yarbrough <[email protected]>            Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Dario Alcocer <[email protected]>                    Y Y Y Y Y Y Y N N
Dave Sill <[email protected]>                        N Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Dave Weinstein <dweinste@carl.org>                        Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
daveg@ee.ubc.ca                                           N Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
David A. Sinclair <sinclair@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu>        N Y N Y Y Y Y Y N
David C. Copley <COPLEYD@acoust.byu.edu>                  Y Y N Y N N N N Y
David Chappell <david@catt.ncsu.edu>                      N N N N N N N N N
David Goldsmith <David_Goldsmith@taligent.com>            Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
DAVID HOLE <FAHOLE@cc.usu.edu>                            Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
David J Leitko <davidjl@rigel.cs.pdx.edu>                 Y Y Y Y N Y Y Y Y
David Mork <mork@u.washington.edu>                        Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
David Shepherd <des@inmos.co.uk>                          N - - - - - - - -
davide@tekig6.pen.tek.com                                 Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Dean Dierschow <dean@xocolatl.com>                        Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Demian A. Johnston <dj1l+@andrew.cmu.edu>                 N Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Dennis Adler <dennisad@microsoft.com>                     Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Don Rubin <rubin@visual1.jhuapl.edu>                      N N N Y Y Y Y Y Y
Don Wilcox <wilcox@wucs1.wustl.edu>                       Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Donald H. Locker <dhl@msl.com>                            N Y Y N Y Y Y Y Y
Doug Henrich <doughe@microsoft.com>                       Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Doug McDonald <mcdonald@aries.scs.uiuc.edu>               N Y N N N Y N N N
Ed Grether <egrether@eecs.wsu.edu>                        Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Ed McGuire <emcguire@intellection.com>                    Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Ed Schwalenberg <ed@odi.com>                              Y Y Y N Y Y Y Y Y
Edmund Hack <hack@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>                       Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
elik@microsoft.com                                        Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Ellen Yu <eyu@terminus.umd.edu>                           Y Y Y N Y Y Y Y Y
Emil Granbom <emil@dna.lth.se>                            Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Eric Bell <ebell@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu>                    N N N N Y Y Y N Y
Eric Cook <eric@bermuda.rain.com>                         Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Eric Hunt <bsc835!ehunt@uunet.uu.net>                     Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Eric Swenson <ejs@borland.com>                            Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Eric Thomas Stuebe <ets1@cec1.wustl.edu>                  - - - Y Y Y Y - -
F0O@psuvm.psu.edu                                         Y Y Y N Y Y Y Y Y
failsafe@cellar.org                                       Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Felix Andrew <felixa@microsoft.com>                       Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Francois Yergeau <yergeau@phy.ulaval.ca>                  Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Frank Kaefer <fkk@stasys.sta.sub.org>                     N N N N N N N N N
Frank Maloney <frankm@microsoft.com>                      Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
G. W. Erhart <archie!gwe>                                 N Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Gareth Edwards <gde@st-andrews.ac.uk>                     Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y N
Gary Walsh <gary.walsh@canrem.com>                        Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Geoffrey Rowell <growe@unisaa.ctp.com>                    Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Geraint Edwards <gedge@computing-maths.cardiff.ac.uk>     N Y Y N Y Y Y N N
Gil Freund <hujivms.huji.ac.il!GILF>                      Y Y Y N Y Y Y Y Y
Gordon Goldsborough <GOLDSBOROUGH@brandonu.ca>            Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Gordon Letwin <gordonl@microsoft.com>                     Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Graham Lawrence <cmu.unige.ch!LAWRENCE>                   Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Greg Hitchcock <gregh@microsoft.com>                      Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Greg Lindahl <gl8f@fermi.clas.virginia.edu>               Y Y - N - - - - -
gregory d moncreaff <dorsai@iear.arts.rpi.edu>            Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
gt6777d@prism.gatech.edu                                  N N Y Y Y Y N N N
gyugyi@leland.stanford.edu                                Y Y N - Y Y Y N N
hainer+@operations.cis.pitt.edu                           N N N N Y Y N Y Y
Harvey S Cohen <hsc@honet6.att.com>                       Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Heikki T. Suopanki so <suopanki@stekt.oulu.fi>            Y Y N Y Y Y N N N
Herman van der Molen <herman@vuse.vanderbilt.edu>         Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Hugh G. Stocks <hstocks%mizar.usc.edu@usc.edu>            Y Y - Y Y Y Y - -
Ian Crorie <idc@cs.heriot-watt.ac.uk>                     N Y Y - Y Y Y Y Y
Ilkka Hyvarinen <hyvarine@cs.helsinki.fi>                 N Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
It's not over ... <rocker@desire.wright.edu>              N Y N - Y Y N Y Y
J. Scott Farrow <farrow@ucsu.colorado.edu>                Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
J.D. Baldwin <baldwin@csservera.scs.usna.navy.mil>        Y N N N N N N N N
J.W. Butler <jwbutler@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>               N Y Y N Y Y Y Y N
James A. O'Brien <OBRIEN@venus.ycc.yale.edu>              Y Y Y N Y Y Y Y Y
James Barrett <barrett@cc.gatech.edu>                     N N N N N N N N N
James Mumper <jmumper@attmail.att.com>                    N Y Y N Y Y Y Y Y
jasonc@leland.stanford.edu                                N Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Jay Maynard <jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu>                Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Jay Mclain <jaym@microsoft.com>                           Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <lasgout@solaris.inria.fr>           Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Jeff Meyer <moriarty@tc.fluke.com>                        Y Y N Y Y Y Y N N
Jeff Rife <jlr1801@eagle.tamu.edu>                        Y Y Y - Y Y Y Y -
Jeffrey K Cuyle <jkc40@cd.amdahl.com>                     N Y Y Y Y Y Y Y N
Jeroen W. Pluimers <jeroenp@rulfc1.leidenuniv.nl>         Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Jerry <jcalli@unf6.cis.unf.edu>                           Y Y N N Y Y Y Y N
Jerry W. Jordak <jwj2@po.cwru.edu>                        Y Y Y N Y Y Y Y Y
Jim Adcock <jimad@microsoft.com>                          Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Jim DeLaHunt <delahunt@adobe.com>                         Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
joachim@lysator.liu.se                                    Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Joe Bradley <gb7@prism.gatech.edu>                        Y N N N N N N N N
Joe Keane <amdcad!osc!jgk@uunet.uu.net>                   Y Y N - Y Y - N N
Joe M. Abbate <jabbate@ingres.com>                        Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
John Bartlow <johnba@microsoft.com>                       Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
John De Armond <jgd%dixie.com@mathcs.emory.edu>           Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
John Dowdal <jdowdal@wam.umd.edu>                         N Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
John E. Mendenhall <edsr!jem@uunet.uu.net>                N N N N N N N N N
John G Dobnick <jgd@csd4.csd.uwm.edu>                     N Y N N Y N N N N
John Jay Tanlimco <tanlimco@unixg.ubc.ca>                 Y N N Y Y Y Y Y Y
John Lauro <jal@acc2.flint.umich.edu>                     N Y N N Y Y Y N N
John Pennock <jpenn@microsoft.com>                        Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y N
John Robinson <ROBINSON@ac.dal.ca>                        Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
John Starta <starta%tosh@asuvax.eas.asu.edu>              Y Y N N Y Y Y N Y
Jon <jmsie@mtus5.UUCP>                                    Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Jon Kechejian <jonk@microsoft.com>                        Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Jon Ulrigg <jonul@microsoft.com>                          Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
JT Anderson <jta@prodnet.la.locus.com>                    N Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Juergen Stuber <juergen@mpi-sb.mpg.de>                    - Y Y Y Y Y Y - -
Jyri J. Virkki <J_VIRKKI@upr1.upr.clu.edu>                N - - - - - - - -
kab@s1.gov                                                Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Kate Wilson <sph0301@utsph.sph.uth.tmc.edu>               Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Keith Quarles <keith@homxb.att.com>                       Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Ken Blackney <Ken_Blackney@dupr.ocs.drexel.edu>           Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Ken Fasman <ken@welchgate.welch.jhu.edu>                  Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Ken Fowles <kenf@microsoft.com>                           Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Kevin D. Parris <PARRIS@vger.niddk.nih.gov>               Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Kim DeVaughn <ked01@juts.ccc.amdahl.com>                  N N N N N N N N N
Kim Rosenthal Hansen <krh@login.dkuug.dk>                 Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Kirsten Rognstad <kr@iok.unit.no>                         Y Y - Y Y Y Y - -
Kohei MOMOSAKI <momosaki@cradle.titech.ac.jp>             Y - - - Y Y Y Y -
Larry Weeks <dev@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>                    Y Y Y N Y Y Y Y Y
Lars Soltau <space@ncc1701.stgt.sub.org>                  N - - - - - - - -
Lee Fisher <leefi@microsoft.com>                          Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Leo Chouinard <leo@hoss.unl.edu>                          N Y N Y Y N N N N
Ling Chang <lchang@eniac.seas.upenn.edu>                  Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Lonny McMichael <mcmichel@ponder.csci.unt.edu>            Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Magnus <MAR19@phx.cam.ac.uk>                              Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Manuel Bronstein <inf.ethz.ch!bronstei>                   Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Marc Moorcroft <smarry@zooid.guild.org>                   N N N N Y N N N N
Mark A. Holtz <mholtz@sactoh0.sac.ca.us>                  N N N Y Y Y Y Y Y
Mark Atwood <matwood%pale@cs.utah.edu>                    Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Mark Bradford <mark@lightning.mmm.ucar.edu>               N Y - Y Y Y Y - -
Mark D. Shattuck <mds@phy.duke.edu>                       N Y N Y Y Y Y N N
Mark J Handel <SLEJ@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>                 Y Y Y Y Y Y N N N
Mark Laforge <mark.laforge@canrem.com>                    - Y Y N Y Y Y Y Y
Mark Pundsack <pundsack@vlsi.uwaterloo.ca>                N Y Y - Y Y - Y Y
Mark Towfiq <towfiq@ftp.com>                              Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Mark W. Schumann <mark@whizbang.wariat.org>               Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Markku Kaukinen <lesti!mka>                               Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Martin Lafaix <Martin.Lafaix@sophia.inria.fr>             N Y N N Y Y N N N
Martti Toivakka <MTOIVAKKA@finabo.abo.fi>                 Y Y Y N Y Y Y Y Y
Matt Hucke <hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>                       Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Matt Squires <mattsq@microsoft.com>                       Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Matthew Lyle <matt@dbaix.oc.com>                          N Y N N Y N Y Y N
mehta <mehta@ucunix.san.uc.edu>                           - N N N N N N N N
Michael Bryan <michael@resonex.com>                       Y Y N N Y Y Y N N
Michael James Porter <mike@ravel.udel.edu>                Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Michael Lanham <jumper@catt.ncsu.edu>                     N - - - - - - - Y
Michael Patra <micky@srvmp21.physik.tu-berlin.de>         - - - - Y Y Y Y -
Michael Qvortrup <inf.ethz.ch!qvortrup>                   Y Y Y - Y Y Y Y -
Michael Regoli <mr@ogre.cica.indiana.edu>                 Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Michael Sijacic <sijacic@ils.nwu.edu>                     Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Michael Van Kleeck <mikevk@microsoft.com>                 Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Michael Warning <warninm@xanth.cs.orst.edu>               Y Y N - Y - - Y Y
Michael.Niermann@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de         - Y - Y - Y Y - -
Mikael Lundgren <Mikael.Lundgren@udac.uu.se>              Y Y Y - Y Y Y Y Y
Mike Batchelor <mike@batpad.lgb.ca.us>                    Y Y N Y N Y N N N
Mike Dryfoos <mikedr@microsoft.com>                       Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Mike Levis <mlevis@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>                    N N N N N N N N N
Mike Quigley <Mike_Quigley@mindlink.bc.ca>                Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Milind Mahajan <milindm@microsoft.com>                    Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
mzanino@cont1.daytonoh.ncr.com                            Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Nathan Schimke <schimken@cs.rpi.edu>                      Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Nathaniel Stitt <nat@netcom.com>                          Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Neto David <a2535net@cdf.toronto.edu>                     Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Ng Pheng Siong <solomon.technet.sg!npngps>                Y Y Y Y Y Y N Y Y
Nick Pemberton <nick@aimed.UUCP>                          Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Nick Rozanski <nar@praxis.co.uk>                          Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Nitin Borwankar <nitin@ingres.com>                        Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Oliver Jones <oj@roadrunner.pictel.com>                   N N Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Olivier PLAUT <plaut@sc2a.unige.ch>                       Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Otto-Ville Ronkainen <ovr@vipunen.hut.fi>                 Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Panos Economopoulos <panos@db.toronto.edu>                - Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Pat Farrell <pfarrell@gmuvax2.gmu.edu>                    Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Patrick Logan <plogan@std.mentorg.com>                    Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Patrick R. Brown <pbrown@csgrad.cs.vt.edu>                Y Y N Y Y Y Y N N
Paul Bonneau <bonneau@hyper.com>                          N Y N Y Y Y Y Y N
Paul S Secinaro <pss1@kepler.unh.edu>                     Y - Y Y Y Y Y - -
Per Abrahamsen <abraham@iesd.auc.dk>                      Y Y - Y Y - - - -
Perry Caro <adobe!caro@sun.com>                           N Y N Y Y Y Y N N
Peter da Silva <peter@taronga.com>                        Y Y - Y Y Y - - -
Peter Gahbler <peter@pgeck.sub.org>                       N N N Y N N N Y N
Peter J. Linstrom <linstrom@eng.umd.edu>                  Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Peter Karrer <pkarrer@bernina.ethz.ch>                    Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Po Shan Cheah <pc30@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu>               Y Y Y N Y Y Y Y Y
pshuang@athena.mit.edu                                    Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
PTDac@levels.unisa.edu.au                                 Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Ralph Brown <rbrown@spca.bbn.com>                         Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Ravi Pandya <ravi@xanadu.com>                             - Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
reed@digital.sps.mot.com                                  Y Y Y N Y Y Y Y Y
Resident.Alien <mark@drd.com>                             Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Rf Jones <rf.jones@sosinc.wsnc.org>                       Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Rhoda Neimand <sybase!rhoda@sun.com>                      Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
rhys@cs.uq.oz.au                                          Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Richard Commander <richardc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>         Y Y N N Y Y Y Y N
Richard H. Miller <rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu>          Y N N Y Y N N Y N
Richard.Ellerbrock@p15.f22.n7101.z5.fidonet.org           N Y - Y Y Y N - -
ring@frith.egr.msu.edu                                    Y Y Y N Y Y Y Y Y
Robert Gerber <gerber@bampas.mko.dec.com>                 Y - - N N N N N N
Robert J. McNamara <rob@cad4.lbl.gov>                     N Y - - - - - - -
Robert L. Howard <rhoward@matd.gatech.edu>                N Y Y N Y Y N Y -
Robert Salesas <Robert_Salesas@mindlink.bc.ca>            Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Rodney Chen <rchen@warren.arc.nasa.gov>                   Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Roger Hadgraft <hadgraft@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au>          Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Roger MacNicol <merk!uvmark!roger>                        N - - Y Y Y Y Y Y
Rolando Vinluan <rvinluan@cs.cornell.edu>                 Y N N Y Y Y Y N Y
Rune J|rgensen <rujo@ulrik.uio.no>                        - Y Y - - Y Y Y Y
Russell Jackson <russell.jackson@sosinc.wsnc.org>         Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Russell Schulz <rschulz@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>             - Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Sarah Warne <sxw21@po.cwru.edu>                           Y N N Y Y Y Y Y N
SCDORCY@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov                              N Y N N N Y Y N N
sinster@cse.ucsc.edu                                      N Y Y N N Y Y Y Y
Sir Meekyel Romanov <meek@csd4.csd.uwm.edu>               Y Y N N Y N N N Y
slewis@hound.att.com                                      Y Y Y N Y Y Y Y Y
Stefan Olson <olson.acme.gen.nz!stefan>                   Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Steve A. Feinstein <saf@netcom.com>                       N Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Steve Adams <adams@spss.com>                              Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Steven White <dipswich@catt.ncsu.edu>                     N Y N N Y Y Y N N
Stu Labovitz <stu@valinor.mythical.com>                   Y Y N Y Y N Y N N
Sven Heinicke <sven@cs.widener.edu>                       N N N N N N N N -
Sven Kratochvil <skr@softpro.softpro.de>                  N Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
swisher@cs.utexas.edu                                     - Y - Y Y Y Y - -
sxjcb%am.mrgate@orca.alaska.edu                           Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Sylvain Tremblay <Sylvain@speedy.cam.org>                 Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Tad Morgan <tmorgan@as.arizona.edu>                       Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
tbel@oahu.cern.ch                                         N Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Ted M. Young <tedyoung@panix.com>                         Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Ted Richards <ted@isgtec.com>                             Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Ted W. Leung <twl@cs.brown.edu>                           Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
thbaca@nmsu.edu                                           Y Y N - Y Y Y N N
The Myth <jfreter@triton.unm.edu>                         Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Themin Suwardy <EDB160RCOT@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au>         Y N Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Thomas Farmer <ferrari.datamark.co.nz!tfarmer>            Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Thomas Gasser <thomasg@epx.hscs.umn.edu>                  Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Thomas Reardon <thomasre@microsoft.com>                   Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Thomas Wong <twong@civil.ubc.ca>                          N Y Y N Y Y N N N
Tim Frost <tim@animal.gcs.co.nz>                          Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Tim Hunter <SASTPH@vm.sas.com>                            Y Y N Y Y Y Y N N
Tim Ihde <tim@moe.usl.com>                                Y Y Y - Y Y Y N N
Tim Powell <tpowell@zoot.pa.dec.com>                      - Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Timothy F. Sipples <sip1@midway.uchicago.edu>             N Y Y N Y Y Y N N
Todd J Derr <infidel@unix.cis.pitt.edu>                   Y Y Y N Y Y Y N Y
Tom Albrecht <tom@tredysvr.tredydev.unisys.com>           Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Tom Fitzgerald <fitz@wang.com>                            N Y Y N Y Y N N N
Tom Haapanen <tomh@wes.on.ca>                             Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Tom Hensel <tomhe@microsoft.com>                          Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Tony Wilson <wilson@stc.nl>                               N Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Turgut Kalfaoglu <turgut@frmop11.bitnet>                  N N N N N N N N N
Ulf Kjelaas  <kjelaas@ucsu.colorado.edu>                  Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
vavra@unirsvl.rsvl.unisys.com                             Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Veli-Pekka Tahvanainen <vpt@jytkoson2.jyu.fi>             N Y Y N Y Y Y Y Y
Vera Heinau <heinau@harpo.chemie.fu-berlin.de>            Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Vidar Sonerud <vsonerud@lise.unit.no>                     Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
W Cameron Leask <cameron@cs.heriot-watt.ac.uk>            Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Wayne McCormick <wayne@ita.lgc.com>                       N Y N Y Y Y Y N N
wboson@leland.stanford.edu                                - Y N N Y Y N N N
Wen-Chun Ni <wcn@cs.brown.edu>                            N Y Y Y Y Y Y Y -
William E. Price <wp16@prism.gatech.edu>                  Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
William Owen Carlson <woc8r@fulton.seas.virginia.edu>     N Y N Y N Y N N N
William Taylor <wrt@steve.cray.com>                       N N N N Y N N Y N
wjb@cogsci.cog.jhu.edu                                    Y Y N N Y Y Y N N
Woodworth Lee <woodwort@tigger.cs.colorado.edu>           Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
Yaacov Fenster  <fenster@taveng.enet.dec.com>             Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
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[ tomh@wes.on.ca                   "trust the programmer" -- ansi c standard ]
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