From [email protected] Mon Feb  3 20:51:59 1997
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Wolfgang Bujatti 
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.environment,sci.bio.ecology,talk.environment,misc.legal,alt.politics.greens,bionet.toxicology,uk.environment,de.soc.umwelt
Subject: RFD: sci.environment.waste
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                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
               unmoderated group sci.environment.waste

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a
world-wide unmoderated Usenet group sci.environment.waste. This is not
a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural
details are below.

Newsgroups line:
sci.environment.waste	Conditioning, recycling, and impact of wastes.

RATIONALE: sci.environment.waste

The increasing quantity and the hazards of human wastes evolved to a
very serious environmental problem. They can impair the general well-
being of man, animals, vegetation, their basis of existence or their
natural environment. Keywords: fractioning of wastes, dumping sites,
hazard potential for subsequent generations, recycling, conditioing to
inert them, combustion plants

Waste-related discussions are currently taking place on environmental
newsgroups - particularly on sci.environment - but as this topic needs
an integrated approch by environmentalists, biologists, ecologists,
chemists, technicians and lawyers the Usenet community would be better
served by a more specific forum. Moreover it would ease the traffic at
sci.environment (about 30 postings a day).

This newsgroup is proposed to provide a forum for scientific
discussion on the one hand by people who are distressed by the
negative effects which their wastes can take on our natural
environment (soil, water, air and the seas) and on the other hand by
people involved in collecting, fractioning, conditioning, recycling or
dumping wastes.

This unmoderated group is not being created as sci.bio.ecology.waste
or misc.legal.waste as it is intended for the integrated discussion of
all waste-related topics, not only a specific biological ar legal
talk.

I've chosen the label waste instead of a more specific description
(such as recycling or dumping) since this is the usual description for
departements of administrations, non governmental organisations and
enterprises.

CHARTER: sci.environment.waste

An unmoderated newsgroup which would provide a world wide forum for a
serious discussion by people involved with collecting, fractioning,
dumping, conditioning and recycling wastes or people which treat them,
so that they can reused for a different purpose, as well as by people,
who are cronfronted with the dangers of wastes in everyday life.

To assist governments, NGOs, environmentalists and scientists in the
acquisition of waste-related information as well as an informative
arena on the many different world wide techniques of conditioning,
recycling and reusing wastes.

Specific topics may include but are not limited to:

+ the many different types of wastes and their effection on the
ecosystems in the soil, the rivers, the atmosphere and the seas and
oceans + dumping (nowadays or in the past) of toxic wastes in landfill
sites + sealing and watertighten of landfill sites and underground
dumping sites + different world-wide skills and techniques of
conditioning, recycling and reusing wastes + environmental impact of
waste treating plants and landfill sites + pros and cons of waste
combustion and the rank of its spent air + energy production as
thermal recycling of wastes + specific problems of transport of
hazardous wastes and waste oils + the effection of "waste-loss" on the
seas and oceans + pacticable collection systems + wastewater use,
compostable materials + reuse of tyres, waste-paper, packings, etc. +
hazards of waste batteries, neon tubes, refrigerator-liquid, synthetic
products, etc.

Binaries are only allowed by adding format or extension in the subject
line. Messages that advertise products not related to waste management
or waste effects are banned. On-topic advertising is limited to once
per week.

Discussions about saving the nature without context to wastes,
particularly the talk about energy-production, should better take
place on sci.environment, sci.bio.conservation or sci.energy and
scientific discussions about topics which also apply to other things
than wastes would be better discussed on the other scientific groups
or the bionet environment.

The general "netiquette" FAQs posted in news.announce.newusers and
news.answers apply to the proposed group.

END CHARTER.

PROCEDURE:

This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase
of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroup
should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for
a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this
proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For
Votes (CFV) will be posted by a neutral vote taker. Please do not
attempt to vote until this happens.

All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.

This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How
to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these
documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any
questions about the process.

DISTRIBUTION:

This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:
news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.environment,sci.bio.conservat
ion,sci.bio.ecology,talk.environment,misc.legal,alt.politics.greens,b
ionet.toxicology,uk.environment,de.soc.umwelt
  news.announce.newgroups (moderated),
  news.groups (moderated),
  sci.environment,
  sci.bio.conservation,
  sci.bio.ecology,
  talk.environment,
  misc.legal,
  alt.politics.greens,
  bionet.toxicology,
  uk.environment,
  de.soc.umwelt

and the following mailing lists:

  [email protected] (Drug, pesticide or harzardous waste
toxicology; effects of toxins on man or the environment)
  Subscribe via: [email protected], and put in the body
                SUB ToxList firstname lastname,

  [email protected] (Groundwater topics.)
  Subscribe via: [email protected], and put in the body
                subscribe GROUNDWATER,

  [email protected] (Interdisciplinary discussion; main focus
on ecology and the biosphere)
  Subscribe via: [email protected] , and put in the body
                SUBSCRIBE BIOSPH-L firstname lastname,

  [email protected] (Queries to Infoterra network and
requesting infos from UNEP; subscribers are encouraged to respond to
queries as well)
  Subscribe via: [email protected], and put in the body
                subscribe Infoterra your-email@address

-
Proponent: Wolfgang Bujatti 
Mentor: Jonathan Grobe 

From [email protected] Wed Mar  5 13:30:19 1997
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Jani Patokallio 
Reply-To: [email protected]
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.legal,sci.bio.ecology,sci.engr.chem,sci.environment,talk.environment
Subject: CFV: sci.environment.waste
Followup-To: poster
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
Approved: [email protected]
Expires: 27 Mar 1997 00:00:00 GMT
Archive-Name: sci.environment.waste
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 21:21:59 GMT
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Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:139

                     FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
               unmoderated group sci.environment.waste

Newsgroups line:
sci.environment.waste	Impact of Wastes and Waste Management Methods.

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 26 Mar 1997.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Wolfgang Bujatti 
Mentor: Jonathan Grobe 
Votetaker: Jani Patokallio 

RATIONALE: sci.environment.waste

Keywords: waste management, hazardous waste, garbage, refuse,
industrial waste, municipal solid waste, domestic refuse, source reduction,
collecting and fractioning of wastes, waste processing, reuse, recycling,
incineration, waste treatment, conditioning to inert them, waste disposal,
composting, hazard potential for subsequent generations, greenhouse gases

The increasing quantity and the hazards of wastes evolved to a
very serious environmental problem. They can impair the general well-
being of man, animals, vegetation, their basis of existence or their
natural environment.

Waste-related discussions are currently taking place on environmental
newsgroups - particularly on sci.environment - but as this topic needs
an integrated approch by environmentalists, biologists, ecologists,
chemists, technicians and lawyers the Usenet community would be better
served by a more specific forum. Moreover it would ease the traffic at
sci.environment (about 30 postings a day).

This newsgroup is proposed to provide a forum for scientific
discussion on the one hand by people who are interested in the
effects which their wastes can take on our natural environment
(soil, water, air and the seas) and on the other hand by
people involved in collecting, fractioning, processing, treating, recycling
or dumping wastes or other waste management methods.

This group is proposed as unmoderated group. A moderation should be the
last precaution against off-topic posts, spam, or repetitive flaming
(attacks). As this newsgroup has the aim to bring together very differnent
groups of people it wouldn't be easy for a moderator to filter the postings
to serve all. Sci.environment is an unmoderated group too.

This group is not being created as sci.bio.ecology.waste,
sci.engr.environment.waste or misc.legal.waste as it is intended
to maintain a scientifically and factually based focus of all waste-related
topics rather than a primarily opinion based focus nor an only
specific biological, technical or legal talk.

I've chosen the label waste instead of a more specific description
(such as recycling or dumping) since this is the usual description for
departements of administrations, non governmental organisations and
enterprises.

CHARTER: sci.environment.waste

An unmoderated newsgroup which would provide a world wide forum for a
serious discussion by people who try to reduce wastes, which are involved
with collecting, fractioning, processing, treating, recycling or dumping
wastes or with other waste management methods or people which treat them,
so that they can reused for a different purpose, as well as by people,
who are cronfronted with the dangers of wastes in everyday life.

To assist governments, NGOs, environmentalists and scientists in the
acquisition of scientific and legal waste-related information as well as an
informative arena on the many different world wide techniques of
conditioning, recycling and reusing wastes.

Specific topics may include but are not limited to:

+ the many different types of wastes and their effection on the
  ecosystems in the soil, the rivers, the atmosphere and the seas and oceans
+ industrial and municipal solid waste (domestic refuse)
+ dumping (nowadays or in the past) of toxic wastes in landfill sites
+ sealing and watertighten of landfill sites and underground dumping sites
+ different world-wide skills and techniques of waste reduction in the
  production-process, of processing, treating, recycling and reusing wastes
  and other waste management methods
+ environmental impact of waste treating plants and landfill sites
+ pros and cons of waste incineration and the rank of its spent air
+ waste-to-energy
+ specific problems of transport of hazardous wastes on land, air and sea
+ pacticable collection systems
+ wastewater and sludges use, composting
+ reuse of tyres, waste-paper, packings, etc.
+ hazards of waste batteries, neon tubes, refrigerator-liquid, synthetics, etc.
+ greenhouse gases

The following types of posts are strictly PROHIBITED in this newsgroup:

* Material and advertisments unrelated to conditioning, recycling, and
  impact of wastes (off-topic)
* Spam (defined as articles posted to more than 5 newsgroups)
* Make-money-fast or other chain or fraudulent schemes
* Forged posts (anonymous posts are allowed)
* Personal insults or repetitive flaming (attacks)

The use of e-mail addresses from articles posted to this group for the
purpose of sending junk (mass unsolicited) e-mail or for compiling a
list so that others may do so is specifically PROHIBITED.

Binaries are only allowed by adding format or extension in the subject
line. On-topic advertising and employment (help and/or position wanted)
noticesis are limited to once per week. Please send such post only on
fridays.

Discussions about saving the nature without context to wastes should better
take place on sci.environment or sci.bio.conservation, and the talk about
energy-production (with the only exception of waste-to-energy discussion)
and production techniques (with the only exception of waste reduction in the
production-process) should better take place on sci.energy or on the
sci.engr hierarchy.

The general "netiquette" FAQs posted in news.announce.newusers and
news.answers apply to the proposed group. Participants are encouraged to
use descriptive Subjects (e.g., "Burning PCBs" rather than just "Help" or
"Question").

In the absence of moderation, prohibitions can, of course, only be
enforced by the collective will of the group and/or by after-the-fact
complaints to the offender's service provider.

END CHARTER.

HOW TO VOTE:

Follow these instructions *exactly*!  Votes are counted by computer.
You should send E-MAIL (posts to a newsgroup are invalid) to:

    [email protected]

Please do not assume that just replying to this message will work.
Check the address before you mail your vote.  Your mail message
should contain one and only one of the following vote statements:

    I vote YES on sci.environment.waste
    I vote NO on sci.environment.waste

    Voter name:

If your mail software does not indicate your real name (for example, AOL and
Delphi do not), include _exactly_ the statement above on a _separate_ line
and add your name after the colon.  Having your name in your signature line
is NOT enough!  Do NOT join the lines together or remove the words
"Voter name"!

You may also vote ABSTAIN (which does exactly that) or CANCEL (which
removes any earlier votes).  ABSTAIN does not affect the final vote count
in any way but is listed, whereas CANCEL is not.

IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES:

Standard Guidelines for voting apply.  One person, one vote.  Votes
must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker.  Anonymous,
forwarded or proxy votes are not valid.  Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI
forms are considered to be anonymous votes.

Vote counting is automated.  Failure to follow these directions may
mean that your vote does not get counted.  If you do not receive an
acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker
about the problem.  It's your responsibility to make sure your vote
is registered correctly.  Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of
the most recent valid vote.  Addresses and votes of all voters will
be published in the final voting results post.

The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of
persons who would read a proposed newsgroup.  Soliciting votes from
disinterested parties defeats this purpose.  Please do not distribute
this CFV.  If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted
to news.announce.newgroups.  Distributing pre-marked or otherwise
edited copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud.
When in doubt, ask the votetaker.

DISTRIBUTION:

In addition to the groups named in the Newsgroups: header, the CFV
and the eventual RESULT posts will be mailed to these mailing lists:

Mailing list name: waste
Submission address: [email protected]
Request address (optional): [email protected]

Mailing list name: WASTENET
Submission address: [email protected]
Request address (optional): [email protected]

Mailing list name: SOIL-CHEM
Submission address: [email protected]
Request address (optional): [email protected]

Mailing list name: GROUNDWATER
Submission address: [email protected]
Request address (optional): [email protected]

Mailing list name: awma
Submission address: [email protected]
Request address (optional): [email protected]

Mailing list name: nuc_center
Submission address: [email protected]
Request address (optional): [email protected]

Mailing list name: toxic_waste
Submission address: [email protected]
Request address (optional): [email protected]

Mailing list name: wastewater-modelling
Submission address: [email protected]
Request address (optional): [email protected]

Mailing list name: wsponds
Submission address: [email protected]
Request address (optional): [email protected]

Mailing list name: EIA
Submission address: [email protected]
Request address (optional): [email protected]

Mailing list name: Infoterra
Submission address: [email protected]
Request address (optional): [email protected]

Pointers directing readers to this CFV will be posted in these groups:

alt.politics.greens
bionet.toxicology
de.soc.umwelt
uk.environment

This CFV was created with uvpq 1.0beta (Feb 23 1997).
PQ datestamp: 970122

-- 
Voting address    : [email protected]
Voting information: http://www.hut.fi/~jpatokal/uvv/

From [email protected] Sat Mar 15 15:45:18 1997
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Jani Patokallio 
Reply-To: [email protected]
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.legal,sci.bio.conservation,sci.bio.ecology,sci.engr.chem,sci.environment,talk.environment
Subject: 2nd CFV: sci.environment.waste
Followup-To: poster
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Supersedes: <[email protected]>
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
Approved: [email protected]
Expires: 27 Mar 1997 00:00:00 GMT
Archive-Name: sci.environment.waste
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 23:33:14 GMT
Lines: 240
Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:175

                      LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
               unmoderated group sci.environment.waste

Newsgroups line:
sci.environment.waste	Impact of Wastes and Waste Management Methods.

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 26 Mar 1997.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Wolfgang Bujatti 
Mentor: Jonathan Grobe 
Votetaker: Jani Patokallio 

RATIONALE: sci.environment.waste

Keywords: waste management, hazardous waste, garbage, refuse,
industrial waste, municipal solid waste, domestic refuse, source reduction,
collecting and fractioning of wastes, waste processing, reuse, recycling,
incineration, waste treatment, conditioning to inert them, waste disposal,
composting, hazard potential for subsequent generations, greenhouse gases

The increasing quantity and the hazards of wastes evolved to a
very serious environmental problem. They can impair the general well-
being of man, animals, vegetation, their basis of existence or their
natural environment.

Waste-related discussions are currently taking place on environmental
newsgroups - particularly on sci.environment - but as this topic needs
an integrated approch by environmentalists, biologists, ecologists,
chemists, technicians and lawyers the Usenet community would be better
served by a more specific forum. Moreover it would ease the traffic at
sci.environment (about 30 postings a day).

This newsgroup is proposed to provide a forum for scientific
discussion on the one hand by people who are interested in the
effects which their wastes can take on our natural environment
(soil, water, air and the seas) and on the other hand by
people involved in collecting, fractioning, processing, treating, recycling
or dumping wastes or other waste management methods.

This group is proposed as unmoderated group. A moderation should be the
last precaution against off-topic posts, spam, or repetitive flaming
(attacks). As this newsgroup has the aim to bring together very differnent
groups of people it wouldn't be easy for a moderator to filter the postings
to serve all. Sci.environment is an unmoderated group too.

This group is not being created as sci.bio.ecology.waste,
sci.engr.environment.waste or misc.legal.waste as it is intended
to maintain a scientifically and factually based focus of all waste-related
topics rather than a primarily opinion based focus nor an only
specific biological, technical or legal talk.

I've chosen the label waste instead of a more specific description
(such as recycling or dumping) since this is the usual description for
departements of administrations, non governmental organisations and
enterprises.

CHARTER: sci.environment.waste

An unmoderated newsgroup which would provide a world wide forum for a
serious discussion by people who try to reduce wastes, which are involved
with collecting, fractioning, processing, treating, recycling or dumping
wastes or with other waste management methods or people which treat them,
so that they can reused for a different purpose, as well as by people,
who are cronfronted with the dangers of wastes in everyday life.

To assist governments, NGOs, environmentalists and scientists in the
acquisition of scientific and legal waste-related information as well as an
informative arena on the many different world wide techniques of
conditioning, recycling and reusing wastes.

Specific topics may include but are not limited to:

+ the many different types of wastes and their effection on the
  ecosystems in the soil, the rivers, the atmosphere and the seas and oceans
+ industrial and municipal solid waste (domestic refuse)
+ dumping (nowadays or in the past) of toxic wastes in landfill sites
+ sealing and watertighten of landfill sites and underground dumping sites
+ different world-wide skills and techniques of waste reduction in the
  production-process, of processing, treating, recycling and reusing wastes
  and other waste management methods
+ environmental impact of waste treating plants and landfill sites
+ pros and cons of waste incineration and the rank of its spent air
+ waste-to-energy
+ specific problems of transport of hazardous wastes on land, air and sea
+ pacticable collection systems
+ wastewater and sludges use, composting
+ reuse of tyres, waste-paper, packings, etc.
+ hazards of waste batteries, neon tubes, refrigerator-liquid, synthetics, etc.
+ greenhouse gases

The following types of posts are strictly PROHIBITED in this newsgroup:

* Material and advertisments unrelated to conditioning, recycling, and
  impact of wastes (off-topic)
* Spam (defined as articles posted to more than 5 newsgroups)
* Make-money-fast or other chain or fraudulent schemes
* Forged posts (anonymous posts are allowed)
* Personal insults or repetitive flaming (attacks)

The use of e-mail addresses from articles posted to this group for the
purpose of sending junk (mass unsolicited) e-mail or for compiling a
list so that others may do so is specifically PROHIBITED.

Binaries are only allowed by adding format or extension in the subject
line. On-topic advertising and employment (help and/or position wanted)
noticesis are limited to once per week. Please send such post only on
fridays.

Discussions about saving the nature without context to wastes should better
take place on sci.environment or sci.bio.conservation, and the talk about
energy-production (with the only exception of waste-to-energy discussion)
and production techniques (with the only exception of waste reduction in the
production-process) should better take place on sci.energy or on the
sci.engr hierarchy.

The general "netiquette" FAQs posted in news.announce.newusers and
news.answers apply to the proposed group. Participants are encouraged to
use descriptive Subjects (e.g., "Burning PCBs" rather than just "Help" or
"Question").

In the absence of moderation, prohibitions can, of course, only be
enforced by the collective will of the group and/or by after-the-fact
complaints to the offender's service provider.

END CHARTER.

HOW TO VOTE:

Follow these instructions *exactly*!  Votes are counted by computer.
You should send E-MAIL (posts to a newsgroup are invalid) to:

    [email protected]

Please do not assume that just replying to this message will work.
Check the address before you mail your vote.  Your mail message
should contain one and only one of the following vote statements:

    I vote YES on sci.environment.waste
    I vote NO on sci.environment.waste

    Voter name:

If your mail software does not indicate your real name (for example, AOL and
Delphi do not), include _exactly_ the statement above on a _separate_ line
and add your name after the colon.  Having your name in your signature line
is NOT enough!  Do NOT join the lines together or remove the words
"Voter name"!

You may also vote ABSTAIN (which does exactly that) or CANCEL (which
removes any earlier votes).  ABSTAIN does not affect the final vote count
in any way but is listed, whereas CANCEL is not.

IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES:

Standard Guidelines for voting apply.  One person, one vote.  Votes
must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker.  Anonymous,
forwarded or proxy votes are not valid.  Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI
forms are considered to be anonymous votes.

Vote counting is automated.  Failure to follow these directions may
mean that your vote does not get counted.  If you do not receive an
acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker
about the problem.  It's your responsibility to make sure your vote
is registered correctly.  Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of
the most recent valid vote.  Addresses and votes of all voters will
be published in the final voting results post.

The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of
persons who would read a proposed newsgroup.  Soliciting votes from
disinterested parties defeats this purpose.  Please do not distribute
this CFV.  If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted
to news.announce.newgroups.  Distributing pre-marked or otherwise
edited copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud.
When in doubt, ask the votetaker.

DISTRIBUTION:

In addition to the groups named in the Newsgroups: header, the CFV
and the eventual RESULT posts will be mailed to these mailing lists:

Mailing list name: waste
Submission address: [email protected]
Request address (optional): [email protected]

Mailing list name: WASTENET
Submission address: [email protected]
Request address (optional): [email protected]

Mailing list name: SOIL-CHEM
Submission address: [email protected]
Request address (optional): list[email protected]

Mailing list name: GROUNDWATER
Submission address: [email protected]
Request address (optional): [email protected]

Mailing list name: awma
Submission address: [email protected]
Request address (optional): [email protected]

Mailing list name: nuc_center
Submission address: [email protected]
Request address (optional): [email protected]

Mailing list name: toxic_waste
Submission address: [email protected]
Request address (optional): [email protected]

Mailing list name: wastewater-modelling
Submission address: [email protected]
Request address (optional): [email protected]

Mailing list name: wsponds
Submission address: [email protected]
Request address (optional): [email protected]

Mailing list name: EIA
Submission address: [email protected]
Request address (optional): [email protected]

Mailing list name: Infoterra
Submission address: [email protected]
Request address (optional): [email protected]

Pointers directing readers to this CFV will be posted in these groups:

alt.politics.greens
bionet.toxicology
de.soc.umwelt
uk.environment

This CFV was created with uvpq 1.0beta (Feb 23 1997).
PQ datestamp: 970122

-- 
Voting address    : [email protected]
Voting information: http://www.hut.fi/~jpatokal/uvv/

From [email protected] Thu Mar 27 07:45:43 1997
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Jani Patokallio 
Reply-To: [email protected]
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.legal,sci.bio.conservation,sci.bio.ecology,sci.engr.chem,sci.environment,talk.environment
Subject: RESULT: sci.environment.waste passes 389:27
Followup-To: news.groups
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Supersedes: <[email protected]>
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
Approved: [email protected]
Archive-Name: sci.environment.waste
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:42:05 GMT
Lines: 635
Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:230

                                RESULT
        unmoderated group sci.environment.waste passes 389:27

There were 389 YES votes and 27 NO votes, for a total of 416 valid votes.
There was 1 abstain and 3 invalid ballots.

For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO)
votes.   There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.

There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.  If no
serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of
news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter.

Newsgroups line:
sci.environment.waste	Impact of Wastes and Waste Management Methods.

The voting period closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 26 Mar 1997.

This vote was conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Wolfgang Bujatti 
Mentor: Jonathan Grobe 
Votetaker: Jani Patokallio 

RATIONALE: sci.environment.waste

Keywords: waste management, hazardous waste, garbage, refuse,
industrial waste, municipal solid waste, domestic refuse, source reduction,
collecting and fractioning of wastes, waste processing, reuse, recycling,
incineration, waste treatment, conditioning to inert them, waste disposal,
composting, hazard potential for subsequent generations, greenhouse gases

The increasing quantity and the hazards of wastes evolved to a
very serious environmental problem. They can impair the general well-
being of man, animals, vegetation, their basis of existence or their
natural environment.

Waste-related discussions are currently taking place on environmental
newsgroups - particularly on sci.environment - but as this topic needs
an integrated approch by environmentalists, biologists, ecologists,
chemists, technicians and lawyers the Usenet community would be better
served by a more specific forum. Moreover it would ease the traffic at
sci.environment (about 30 postings a day).

This newsgroup is proposed to provide a forum for scientific
discussion on the one hand by people who are interested in the
effects which their wastes can take on our natural environment
(soil, water, air and the seas) and on the other hand by
people involved in collecting, fractioning, processing, treating, recycling
or dumping wastes or other waste management methods.

This group is proposed as unmoderated group. A moderation should be the
last precaution against off-topic posts, spam, or repetitive flaming
(attacks). As this newsgroup has the aim to bring together very differnent
groups of people it wouldn't be easy for a moderator to filter the postings
to serve all. Sci.environment is an unmoderated group too.

This group is not being created as sci.bio.ecology.waste,
sci.engr.environment.waste or misc.legal.waste as it is intended
to maintain a scientifically and factually based focus of all waste-related
topics rather than a primarily opinion based focus nor an only
specific biological, technical or legal talk.

I've chosen the label waste instead of a more specific description
(such as recycling or dumping) since this is the usual description for
departements of administrations, non governmental organisations and
enterprises.

CHARTER: sci.environment.waste

An unmoderated newsgroup which would provide a world wide forum for a
serious discussion by people who try to reduce wastes, which are involved
with collecting, fractioning, processing, treating, recycling or dumping
wastes or with other waste management methods or people which treat them,
so that they can reused for a different purpose, as well as by people,
who are cronfronted with the dangers of wastes in everyday life.

To assist governments, NGOs, environmentalists and scientists in the
acquisition of scientific and legal waste-related information as well as an
informative arena on the many different world wide techniques of
conditioning, recycling and reusing wastes.

Specific topics may include but are not limited to:

+ the many different types of wastes and their effection on the
  ecosystems in the soil, the rivers, the atmosphere and the seas and oceans
+ industrial and municipal solid waste (domestic refuse)
+ dumping (nowadays or in the past) of toxic wastes in landfill sites
+ sealing and watertighten of landfill sites and underground dumping sites
+ different world-wide skills and techniques of waste reduction in the
  production-process, of processing, treating, recycling and reusing wastes
  and other waste management methods
+ environmental impact of waste treating plants and landfill sites
+ pros and cons of waste incineration and the rank of its spent air
+ waste-to-energy
+ specific problems of transport of hazardous wastes on land, air and sea
+ pacticable collection systems
+ wastewater and sludges use, composting
+ reuse of tyres, waste-paper, packings, etc.
+ hazards of waste batteries, neon tubes, refrigerator-liquid, synthetics, etc.
+ greenhouse gases

The following types of posts are strictly PROHIBITED in this newsgroup:

* Material and advertisments unrelated to conditioning, recycling, and
  impact of wastes (off-topic)
* Spam (defined as articles posted to more than 5 newsgroups)
* Make-money-fast or other chain or fraudulent schemes
* Forged posts (anonymous posts are allowed)
* Personal insults or repetitive flaming (attacks)

The use of e-mail addresses from articles posted to this group for the
purpose of sending junk (mass unsolicited) e-mail or for compiling a
list so that others may do so is specifically PROHIBITED.

Binaries are only allowed by adding format or extension in the subject
line. On-topic advertising and employment (help and/or position wanted)
noticesis are limited to once per week. Please send such post only on
fridays.

Discussions about saving the nature without context to wastes should better
take place on sci.environment or sci.bio.conservation, and the talk about
energy-production (with the only exception of waste-to-energy discussion)
and production techniques (with the only exception of waste reduction in the
production-process) should better take place on sci.energy or on the
sci.engr hierarchy.

The general "netiquette" FAQs posted in news.announce.newusers and
news.answers apply to the proposed group. Participants are encouraged to
use descriptive Subjects (e.g., "Burning PCBs" rather than just "Help" or
"Question").

In the absence of moderation, prohibitions can, of course, only be
enforced by the collective will of the group and/or by after-the-fact
complaints to the offender's service provider.

END CHARTER.

sci.environment.waste Final Vote Ack

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