From [email protected] Sun Apr  5 01:28:08 1992
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.motif
From: Rich Thomson 
Subject: RFD:  comp.windows.x.intrinsics
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: UUNET Communications Services
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1992 18:09:20 GMT

[Please note that followups are directed to news.groups]

There is an increasing amount of traffic in the newsgroup comp.windows.x.
It is becoming increasingly harder to filter information according to
one's interests.  Many proposals have gone by before about splitting
comp.windows.x.  This proposal does not address a generic splitting of
comp.windows.x into several groups, but does propose the creation of a
new group to handle questions and threads relating to the Xt toolkit,
also known as the Intrinsics.

Proposed name:		comp.windows.x.intrinsics
Proposed status:	unmoderated

Commentary is directed to news.groups.

After the sufficient period of time, this RFD will be replaced with a
call for votes on the creation of the new group, provided no
significant objections are offered during the discussion period.

						-- Rich
-- 
	Repeal the personal income tax; vote Libertarian in 1992.
Disclaimer: I speak for myself, except as noted; Copyright 1992 Rich Thomson
UUCP: ...!uunet!dsd.es.com!rthomson			Rich Thomson
Internet: [email protected]	IRC: _Rich_		PEXt Programmer

From [email protected] Thu May  7 07:26:50 1992
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From: Rich Thomson 
Subject: CFV:  comp.windows.x.intrinsics
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Followup-To: poster
Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence)
Organization: ES
Date: Thu, 7 May 1992 06:16:08 GMT
Approved: [email protected]
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The call for discussion period has ended without significant objection.
This is the first formal CALL FOR VOTES for creation of the newsgroup:

	 comp.windows.x.intrinsics		Unmoderated

The voting period will end on June 6th, 1992.  This call for votes and a
mass vote acknowledgement will occur on May 18th and 25th.

To cast a YES vote for comp.windows.x.intrinsics:

    Send a message with the word YES in the subject line (preferred)
    or the body of the message to [email protected] (Rich Thomson)
	
To cast a NO vote for comp.windows.x.intrinsics:

    Send a message with the word NO in the subject line (preferred)
    or the body of the message to [email protected] (Rich Thomson)
	
=-=-=-=- DO NOT POST YOUR VOTE!  Posted votes will not be counted. -=-=-=-=

Proposed Charter:

    The new group will not be moderated.

    This newsgroup will be for discussion of the Xt Intrinsics, often
    referred to as the "X Toolkit".  The Intrinsics is an object-
    oriented system for creating user interface components in the X
    Window System.  This includes, but is not limited to:

    o	questions about the Intrinsics

    o	questions about writing custom widgets

    Currently there is a newsgroup for discussion of the Motif widget
    set, a set of user-interface components built on top of the Xt
    Intrinsics.  However, there is no specific place for discussing
    the Athena widget set, the first widget set developed on top of
    Xt.  It is expected that some questions will be of relevance to both
    comp.windows.x.intrinsics and comp.windows.x.motif.

From [email protected] Sat May 23 13:06:11 1992
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Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: Rich Thomson 
Subject: 2nd CFV and VOTE ACK:  comp.windows.x.intrinsics
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Followup-To: poster
Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence)
Organization: Design Systems Division, Evans & Sutherland, SLC, UT
Date: Sat, 23 May 1992 16:58:33 GMT
Approved: [email protected]
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This is the second formal CALL FOR VOTES and the first formal VOTE
ACKNOWLEDGEMENT for the creation of the newsgroup:

	 comp.windows.x.intrinsics		Unmoderated

The voting period will end on June 6th, 1992.  This call for votes and a
mass vote acknowledgement will occur on May 18th and 25th.

To cast a YES vote for comp.windows.x.intrinsics:

    Send a message with the word YES in the subject line (preferred)
    or the body of the message to [email protected] (Rich Thomson)
	
To cast a NO vote for comp.windows.x.intrinsics:

    Send a message with the word NO in the subject line (preferred)
    or the body of the message to [email protected] (Rich Thomson)
	
=-=-=-=- DO NOT POST YOUR VOTE!  Posted votes will not be counted. -=-=-=-=

Proposed Charter:

    The new group will not be moderated.

    This newsgroup will be for discussion of the Xt Intrinsics, often
    referred to as the "X Toolkit".  The Intrinsics is an object-
    oriented system for creating user interface components in the X
    Window System.  This includes, but is not limited to:

    o	questions about the Intrinsics

    o	questions about writing custom widgets

    Currently there is a newsgroup for discussion of the Motif widget
    set, a set of user-interface components built on top of the Xt
    Intrinsics.  However, there is no specific place for discussing
    the Athena widget set, the first widget set developed on top of
    Xt.  It is expected that some questions will be of relevance to both
    comp.windows.x.intrinsics and comp.windows.x.motif.

=-=-=-=- DO NOT POST YOUR VOTE!  Posted votes will not be counted. -=-=-=-=

Votes have been received from the following addresses:

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From [email protected] Wed Jun  3 09:54:22 1992
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Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: Rich Thomson 
Subject: 3rd CFV and VOTE ACK:  comp.windows.x.intrinsics
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Followup-To: poster
Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence)
Organization: Design Systems Division, Evans & Sutherland, SLC, UT
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1992 19:33:08 GMT
Approved: [email protected]
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This is the third and final formal CALL FOR VOTES and the second
formal VOTE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT for the creation of the newsgroup:

	 comp.windows.x.intrinsics		Unmoderated

The voting period will end on June 6th, 1992.

To cast a YES vote for comp.windows.x.intrinsics:

    Send a message with the word YES in the subject line (preferred)
    or the body of the message to [email protected] (Rich Thomson)
	
To cast a NO vote for comp.windows.x.intrinsics:

    Send a message with the word NO in the subject line (preferred)
    or the body of the message to [email protected] (Rich Thomson)
	
=-=-=-=- DO NOT POST YOUR VOTE!  Posted votes will not be counted. -=-=-=-=

Proposed Charter:

    The new group will not be moderated.

    This newsgroup will be for discussion of the Xt Intrinsics, often
    referred to as the "X Toolkit".  The Intrinsics is an object-
    oriented system for creating user interface components in the X
    Window System.  This includes, but is not limited to:

    o	questions about the Intrinsics

    o	questions about writing custom widgets

    Currently there is a newsgroup for discussion of the Motif widget
    set, a set of user-interface components built on top of the Xt
    Intrinsics.  However, there is no specific place for discussing
    the Athena widget set, the first widget set developed on top of
    Xt.  It is expected that some questions will be of relevance to both
    comp.windows.x.intrinsics and comp.windows.x.motif.

=-=-=-=- DO NOT POST YOUR VOTE!  Posted votes will not be counted. -=-=-=-=

Votes have been received from the following addresses:

"David W. Schuler" 
"Jonathan Creighton" 
Adrian Howard 
Andy Malis 
Arne Asplem 
Bisogna pur ispirarsi a qualche modello! 
Blair Zajac 
Brett B. Doehr 
Bruce Kilgore 
[email protected] (Chris Handy [CONTRACTOR])
Danny Vanderryn 
David Partain 
David Raz 
Francois Yergeau 
[email protected] (Gerhard Eckel)
Herman Verkade 
Hulley W J 
Ik Su Yoo 
Izar Tarandach 
James Hsieh 
Jamie Gritton 
Jim Fournier 
Jim Mattson 
Jim Muth 
Johannes Sixt 
John G Dobnick 
John Morton 
[email protected]
Kate Blane 
Markus Stumpf 
[email protected] (Matt Cohen)
Matthew Newman 
Mehul Sanghvi 
Mike Arras 
Paul Weipeng Yan 
Peter Ware 
Rainer Klute 
Robert Belanger 
Roland Kaltefleiter 
Roy S. Rapoport 
Rupen D. Sheth 
[email protected]
Sinclair Budd 
Steve Cole 
Steve Cole 
[email protected]
Ted Lemon 
Ted Lemon 
Tim Hagman (lbs) 
Tom Limoncelli 
Tony Wilson 
Torbj|rn B{ckstr|m 
Vic Ryan 
[email protected] (Amy Chan x2941)
[email protected] (Amy Chan x2941)
[email protected] (Allen Hom)
[email protected] (Alec Yin)
[email protected] (Andy Finkenstadt)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Thierry Besancon)
[email protected] (Ruth White)
[email protected] (H. David Bonnett)
[email protected] (Grant Totten)
[email protected] (Chris Richardson)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Tang Chee Kin)
chrisp%[email protected] (Chris Pointon)
[email protected] (Bob Craycroft x629)
[email protected]es.duPont.com (Cristy)
[email protected] (Roger Reynolds)
david d `zoo' zuhn 
[email protected] (David Flanagan)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Dave Sill)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Donald H. Locker)
[email protected] (David Mischel)
[email protected] (George Drapeau)
[email protected] (Ed Brill)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Clifford D. Morrison)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Eirikur Hjartarson)
[email protected] (Tom Ekberg)
[email protected] (David Van Beveren)
eyckmans%[email protected]
[email protected] (Joe Giampapa)
[email protected] (David Boyle)
[email protected] (Greg Hilton)
[email protected] (Stephan Heilmayr)
[email protected] (Martin Janzen)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Joe Hartley)
[email protected] (J M Lake)
[email protected] (Joe Coco)
[email protected] (Joe Wang)
[email protected] (John McCracken)
[email protected] (John M. Blasik)
[email protected] (John Gallant)
[email protected] (Jordan Hayes)
[email protected] (Jeff Francis)
[email protected] (Kaleb Keithley)
[email protected] (Kate Blane 9/4/90)
[email protected]
[email protected] (ASTS Ken Sall)
[email protected] (luis fernandes)
[email protected] (luis fernandes)
[email protected] (Chris Larsen 8993)
[email protected] (Larry W. Virden)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Marc Albert)
[email protected] (Mark Levison)
[email protected] (Resident.Alien)
[email protected] (Mark Osbourne)
[email protected]
matwood%[email protected] (Mark Atwood)
[email protected] (Todd Earles)
[email protected] (Mark Polhamus)
[email protected] (Alan Epstein)
[email protected] (Mike Moore)
mmartin%[email protected]
[email protected] (Michael Moore)
[email protected] (Steve Pietrowicz)
[email protected] (Steve Pietrowicz)
[email protected] (Skip Montanaro)
nestler!rwu (Ruediger Wurth)
[email protected] (Gustaf Neumann)
[email protected] (Nuno Manuel Correia)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Ray Shea)
[email protected] (Vinod Reddy)
[email protected] (Jan-Olav Eide)
oler%[email protected] (Ole Robert Hestvik)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Pat J. Pinchera)
[email protected] (Prashanth Prakash)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Raphael Manfredi)
[email protected] (S.Ramakrishnan)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Rich Hilliard)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Richard H. Miller)
[email protected]
[email protected] (S Ramakrishnan)
[email protected] (Ron Lipsius)
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Siegurd Weber)
[email protected] (Scott Barman)
[email protected] (Scott Carpenter)
[email protected] (Arthur Lim)
[email protected] (Tim Wise)
seufert!mauritiu (Peter Mauritius)
[email protected] (Simon Leinen)
[email protected] (Steve Rogers)
[email protected] (Vern Staats)
[email protected] (Steve Sandke)
[email protected] (Mike_Strawbridge_x3852)
[email protected] (Adarsh Pannu x3610)
[email protected] (Jean-Philippe Martin-Flatin)
[email protected] (Terry Suitor)
[email protected] (Greg Holmberg)
[email protected] (Tim Frost)
[email protected] (Tom Kovar)
[email protected] (Tom Kovar)
[email protected] (Tom Albrecht)
[email protected] (Kam C. Tsang)
[email protected] (Kerry Kimbrough)
visual.com!dbl%[email protected] (David B. Lewis)
visual.com!dbl%[email protected] (David B. Lewis)
[email protected] (Kyle Marvin)
westhawk!thp (Timothy H Panton.)
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (/usr/spool/mail/young)
[email protected] (T.........)
[email protected] (Zixiong WANG)

From [email protected] Thu Jun 11 14:30:50 1992
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Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: Rich Thomson 
Subject: RESULT: comp.windows.x.intrinsics passes 198: 21
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Followup-To: news.groups
Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence)
Organization: Design Systems Division, Evans & Sutherland, SLC, UT
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1992 22:57:18 GMT
Approved: [email protected]
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The call for votes period has ended with a passing result for

	comp.windows.x.intrinsics	Unmoderated

There were 198 yes votes and 21 no votes out of a total of 219 votes.
This meets the Usenet requirements of at least 100 more yes votes than
no votes with at least 2/3 of the total vote being yes votes.  One
vote was received after the official voting period ended and was
discounted.  Where possible, I identified multiple votes from the same
person to eliminate duplicate votes.

Most of the "NO" votes expressed concern that the newsgroup be gated into a
mailing list, in a similar fashion to the xpert/comp.windows.x gateway.
However, the proposed charter of the group did not include such a
gateway and I personally don't have the time to devote to creating
such a gateway.  Should someone volunteer, I'm sure many of those who
voted "NO" would be grateful.

Proposed Charter:

    The new group will not be moderated.

    This newsgroup will be for discussion of the Xt Intrinsics, often
    referred to as the "X Toolkit".  The Intrinsics is an object-
    oriented system for creating user interface components in the X
    Window System.  This includes, but is not limited to:

    o	questions about the Intrinsics

    o	questions about writing custom widgets

    Currently there is a newsgroup for discussion of the Motif widget
    set, a set of user-interface components built on top of the Xt
    Intrinsics.  It is expected that some questions will be of
    relevance to both comp.windows.x.intrinsics and
    comp.windows.x.motif.

Votes were received from the following people as of Sunday, June 7, 1992:

YES votes:
"David W. Schuler" 
"Jonathan Creighton" 
"Perry R. Ross" 
"Robert Forsman" 
Adrian Howard 
Alvin Starr 
Andy Malis 
Arne Asplem 
Bill Taylor 
Bisogna pur ispirarsi a qualche modello! 
Blair Zajac 
Brett B. Doehr 
Bruce Kilgore 
Christine Detig 
[email protected] (Chris Handy [CONTRACTOR])
David Partain 
David Raz 
Francois Yergeau 
[email protected] (Gerhard Eckel)
Herman Verkade 
Hulley W J 
Izar Tarandach 
James Hsieh 
Jamie Gritton 
[email protected]
Jim Fournier 
Jim Mattson 
Jim Muth 
Jimmy Gibson 
Joachim Schrod 
Johannes Sixt 
John G Dobnick 
John Morton 
[email protected] (John Mani)
Kate Blane 
LZIEGLER%[email protected]
Matthew Newman 
Mehul Sanghvi 
Mike Arras 
Paul Weipeng Yan 
Peter Ware 
Philip Daniels 
Rainer Klute 
Robert Belanger 
Roland Kaltefleiter 
Roy S. Rapoport 
Rupen D. Sheth 
[email protected]
Sinclair Budd 
Sonja Orlavski 
Stefan Esser 
Steve Cole 
[email protected]
Ted Lemon 
Tim Hagman (lbs) 
Tom Limoncelli 
Tony Wilson 
Torbj|rn B{ckstr|m 
Vic Ryan 
[email protected] (Amy Chan x2941)
[email protected] (Allen Hom)
[email protected] (Alec Yin)
[email protected] (Andy Finkenstadt)
[email protected] (Andy Doolittle)
asherman%[email protected] (Aaron Sherman)
[email protected] (Andreas Vogel)
[email protected] (Thierry Besancon)
[email protected]
[email protected] (H. David Bonnett)
butler%[email protected] (Michael Butler)
[email protected] (Grant Totten)
[email protected] (Chris Richardson)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Tang Chee Kin)
chrisp%[email protected] (Chris Pointon)
[email protected] (Jeff Cohen)
[email protected] (Bob Craycroft x629)
[email protected] (Roger Reynolds)
[email protected] (Cullen Jennings)
[email protected] (Curt Schroeder)
[email protected] (Christopher)
david d `zoo' zuhn 
[email protected] (David Flanagan)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Dave Sill)
[email protected] (Brian Dealy - CSC)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Donald H. Locker)
[email protected] (Dave Brooks)
[email protected] (Michael Doel)
[email protected] (George Drapeau)
[email protected] (J. Daniel Smith)
[email protected] (Ed Brill)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Clifford D. Morrison)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Eirikur Hjartarson)
[email protected] (Tom Ekberg)
[email protected]
[email protected] (David Van Beveren)
[email protected] (Emmett A. Cunningham)
eyckmans%[email protected]
[email protected] (Thomas Fettig)
[email protected] (Joe Giampapa)
[email protected] (David Boyle)
[email protected] (Matthias Imhof)
[email protected] (Greg Hilton)
[email protected] (Sridhar Ramachandran)
[email protected] (Harper Mann)
[email protected] (Stephan Heilmayr)
[email protected] (Martin Janzen)
jct%[email protected] (Jim Thompson)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Joe Hartley)
[email protected] (J M Lake)
[email protected] (Joe Wang)
[email protected] (John McCracken)
[email protected] (John Gallant)
[email protected] (Jordan Hayes)
[email protected] (Jeff Francis)
[email protected] (JIM PICKERING)
[email protected] (Kate Blane 9/4/90)
[email protected]
[email protected] (ASTS Ken Sall)
[email protected] (luis fernandes)
[email protected] (W.R. Volz)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Sergey Lozhkin)
[email protected] (Chris Larsen 8993)
[email protected] (Larry W. Virden)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Mark Levison)
[email protected] (Resident.Alien)
[email protected] (Mark S. Bubien)
[email protected] (Mark Osbourne)
[email protected]
matwood%[email protected]
matwood%[email protected] (Mark Atwood)
[email protected] (Todd Earles)
[email protected] (John B. Melby)
[email protected] (Mark Polhamus)
[email protected] (Alan Epstein)
[email protected] (Mike Moore)
mmartin%[email protected]
[email protected] (Michael Moore)
[email protected] (Steve Pietrowicz)
[email protected] (Skip Montanaro)
nestler!rwu (Ruediger Wurth)
[email protected] (Gustaf Neumann)
[email protected] (Nuno Manuel Correia)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Ray Shea)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Vinod Reddy)
[email protected] (Jan-Olav Eide)
oler%[email protected] (Ole Robert Hestvik)
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Prashanth Prakash)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Marc Quinton STNA 7SU p8046 BD24)
[email protected] (Raphael Manfredi)
[email protected] (S.Ramakrishnan)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Rich Hilliard)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Richard H. Miller)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Ricardo Marek)
[email protected] (Nate Rockwell)
[email protected] (Ron Lipsius)
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Siegurd Weber)
[email protected] (Scott Barman)
[email protected] (Arthur Lim)
[email protected] (Tim Wise)
seufert!mauritiu (Peter Mauritius)
[email protected] (Simon Leinen)
[email protected] (Steve Rogers)
[email protected] (Vern Staats)
[email protected] (Alan Steele)
[email protected] (Steve "daffy" Hunt)
[email protected] (Steve Sandke)
[email protected] (Mike_Strawbridge_x3852)
[email protected] (Adarsh Pannu x3610)
[email protected] (Terry Suitor)
[email protected] (Tim Frost)
[email protected] (Tom Kovar)
[email protected] (Tom Albrecht)
[email protected] (Kam C. Tsang)
[email protected] (Kyle Marvin)
[email protected] (Wayne McCormick)
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (/usr/spool/mail/young)
[email protected] (T.........)
[email protected] (Zixiong WANG)

NO votes:
Danny Vanderryn 
Ik Su Yoo 
[email protected]
Markus Stumpf 
[email protected] (Matt Cohen)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Ruth White)
[email protected] (Cristy)
[email protected] (David Mischel)
[email protected] (Joe Coco)
[email protected] (John M. Blasik)
[email protected] (Kaleb Keithley)
[email protected] (Marc Albert)
[email protected] (Kee Hinckley)
[email protected] (Pat J. Pinchera)
[email protected] (Scott Carpenter)
[email protected] (Jean-Philippe Martin-Flatin)
[email protected] (Greg Holmberg)
[email protected] (Kerry Kimbrough)
visual.com!dbl%[email protected] (David B. Lewis)
westhawk!thp (Timothy H Panton.)