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From [email protected] Wed May 31 20:45:25 2000 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Chirantan Basu) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.invest.misc Subject: RFD: misc.invest.long-term moderated Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <[email protected]> Approved: [email protected] Archive-Name: misc.invest.long-term Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 03:38:39 GMT Lines: 70 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:11491 news.groups:355203 misc.invest.misc:23127                       REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)                 moderated group misc.invest.long-term  This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a world-wide moderated Usenet newsgroup misc.invest.long-term. This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below.  Newsgroup lines: misc.invest.long-term	A moderated newsgroup for long-term investors. (Moderated)  RATIONALE: misc.invest.long-term  The need for a moderated newsgroup on investments is an acute one. The existing Usenet newsgroups, particularly misc.invest.stocks and misc.invest.canada, appear to have been taken over by day traders, stock promoters, and short term speculators.  For long-term investors, a serious discussion on the strengths and weaknesses of individual securities or portfolio selections is becoming more difficult.  CHARTER: misc.invest.long-term  To promote a serious exchange of information and ideas on securities listed on major exchanges worldwide, and on general investment topics.  Moderation Policies:  1. The moderator will attempt to facilitate an open and vigrous exchange of ideas and information on various securities of interest to investors.  2. Posts from code names would be discouraged.  3. Posts perceived to be veiled "stock promotion (or demotion)" exercises will be rejected.  4. Contributors will be encouraged to clearly indicate their association (e.g. long, short) with the security in question.  END CHARTER.  MODERATOR INFO: misc.invest.long-term  Moderator:  C. Basu <[email protected]>  END MODERATOR INFO.  PROCEDURE:  This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes.  In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups should be raised and resolved.  The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it.  Please do not attempt to vote until this happens.  All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.  This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal".  Please refer to these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the process.  DISTRIBUTION:   news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, misc.invest.misc  Proponent: Chirantan Basu <[email protected]>  From [email protected] Fri Jul  7 01:15:06 2000 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Chirantan Basu) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.invest.misc Subject: 2nd RFD: misc.invest.long-term moderated Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <[email protected]> Approved: [email protected] Archive-Name: misc.invest.long-term Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 08:14:42 GMT Lines: 142 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:11527 news.groups:357835 misc.invest.misc:23571                       REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)                 moderated group misc.invest.long-term  This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a world-wide moderated Usenet newsgroup misc.invest.long-term.  This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups. Procedural details are below.  CHANGES from previous RFD:  1. The rationale and charter sections have been clarified. 2. A second moderator has been added. 3. The distribution list has been expanded.  Newsgroup lines: misc.invest.long-term	A moderated newsgroup for long-term investors. (Moderated)  RATIONALE: misc.invest.long-term  We currently have several newsgroups in the misc.invest hierarchy for different aspects of  investing. The most popular of them appears to be misc.invest.stocks, where short-term (and long-term) investors can chat about various publicly traded stocks. Derivatives can be discussed in misc.invest.options and misc.invest.futures, mutual funds in misc.invest.mutual-funds, real estate in misc.invest.real-estate, and momentum investing in misc.invest.technical. Investors looking for guidance on tax and estate planning can visit misc.invest.financial-plan. We even have at least two geographically focused newsgroups - misc.invest.canada and aus.invest.  There is a need for one newsgroup where individuals with a long-term (3 years +) investment horizon can come together and thoughtfully discuss the intricacies of different securities and  strategies in a moderated environment designed to encourage like minded investors from all over the world. The proposed moderated newsgroup, misc.invest.long-term, can fulfil that need.   CHARTER: misc.invest.long-term  To promote a serious exchange of information and ideas on specific securities and investment strategies. The term "securities" refers to publicly traded financial products such as stocks, bonds, money market instruments, mutual funds, and derivatives. The term "strategies" refers to ways investors can incorporate an appropriate mix of securities in their portfolio in order to enhance long-term capital appreciation and/or income according to their financial needs.  Topics could  include:          - buy/sell/hold recommendations with concise justifications;         - portfolio design including the use of derivatives;         - technical analysis versus fundamental analysis in stockpicking;         - discussion of impending or announced IPOs; and         - balanced evaluations of management performance in           enhancing shareholder value.  Moderation Policies:  1. Contributions perceived to be stock promotion or demotion attempts will be rejected. This policy would not preclude, however, a balanced discussion of the pros and cons of buying, holding or selling publicly traded securities.  2. Contributions perceived to be personal attacks of any kind, including those on fellow contributors, will be rejected.  3. Commercials from individuals or organizations will be rejected.  4. Contributions that are deemed to be better suited to one of the more specialized newsgroups in the misc.invest hierarchy may also be rejected. For example, general discussion of a particular option strategy would be better suited to misc.invest.options; however, the same discussion within the context of security or portfolio hedging would be appropriate for misc.invest.long-term.  5. Where the subject of a contribution is a publicly traded security or impending IPO, the author will be required to clearly indicate his (or her) recent or current association, if any, with the security and/or the company in question. Association would include disclosure of long or short positions of the security in the contributor's portfolio, and/or employment with either the company behind the security or the underwriter/dealer of the security.  END CHARTER.  MODERATOR INFO: misc.invest.long-term  Moderator:  [email protected] (Chirantan Basu)  Chirantan is a licensed stockbroker in Canada (registered with the Ontario Securities Commission), and a partner in a federally incorporated business management consulting group. He is also a six year member of the National Capital Freenet (www.ncf.ca), one of the largest member supported Freenets in the world.  Moderator:  [email protected] (Brian Edmonds)  Brian has been on Usenet for ten years, a moderator for the last five. He is the moderation coordinator for rec.arts.anime.creative, and sole moderator for:      - rec.music.info,      - rec.music.reviews,      - comp.doc.techreports, and      - rec.drugs.announce. Brian runs the moderation software for all five newsgroups.  END MODERATOR INFO.   PROCEDURE:  This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes.  In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups should be raised and resolved.  The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it.  Please do not attempt to vote until this happens.  This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal".  Please refer to these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the process.  DISTRIBUTION:    news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, misc.invest.misc  and pointers to    misc.invest.canada, misc.invest.financial-plan,   misc.invest.futures, misc.invest.marketplace,   misc.invest.mutual-funds,   misc.invest.options, misc.invest.real-estate,   misc.invest.stocks, misc.invest.technical,   aus.invest, ncf.sigs.business.stock-trade  Proponent: Chirantan Basu <[email protected]>  From [email protected][reposted.because.of.HipClone.cancel] Fri Jul  7 18:11:10 2000 Path: news.isc.org!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeeds.sol.net!news.execpc.com!newspeer.sol.net!news.noc.cabal.int!resurrector!guidorepost!not-for-mail From: [email protected] (Chirantan Basu) [reposted because of HipClone cancel] Subject: REPOST: 2nd RFD: misc.invest.long-term moderated Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.invest.misc X-Repost-Date: 7 Jul 2000 21:45:41 GMT Message-ID: <9$-_%%_%_%$--%_%[email protected]> X-Original-Path: ...!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.isc.org!bounce-back X-Original-Message-ID: <[email protected]> Followup-To: news.groups Approved: [email protected] Archive-Name: misc.invest.long-term Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 08:14:42 GMT Sender: [email protected] (Howard Knight) X-Reposted-By: [email protected] (Howard Knight) X-Comments: GtR Repost: The following Usenet article was cancelled, more X-Comments: than likely by someone other than the original poster.  Please X-Comments: see the end of this posting for a copy of the cancel. X-Comments: Guido the Resurrector can be contacted at [email protected] Lines: 158 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:11533 news.groups:357893 misc.invest.misc:23590                       REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)                 moderated group misc.invest.long-term  This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a world-wide moderated Usenet newsgroup misc.invest.long-term.  This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups. Procedural details are below.  CHANGES from previous RFD:  1. The rationale and charter sections have been clarified. 2. A second moderator has been added. 3. The distribution list has been expanded.  Newsgroup lines: misc.invest.long-term	A moderated newsgroup for long-term investors. (Moderated)  RATIONALE: misc.invest.long-term  We currently have several newsgroups in the misc.invest hierarchy for different aspects of  investing. The most popular of them appears to be misc.invest.stocks, where short-term (and long-term) investors can chat about various publicly traded stocks. Derivatives can be discussed in misc.invest.options and misc.invest.futures, mutual funds in misc.invest.mutual-funds, real estate in misc.invest.real-estate, and momentum investing in misc.invest.technical. Investors looking for guidance on tax and estate planning can visit misc.invest.financial-plan. We even have at least two geographically focused newsgroups - misc.invest.canada and aus.invest.  There is a need for one newsgroup where individuals with a long-term (3 years +) investment horizon can come together and thoughtfully discuss the intricacies of different securities and  strategies in a moderated environment designed to encourage like minded investors from all over the world. The proposed moderated newsgroup, misc.invest.long-term, can fulfil that need.   CHARTER: misc.invest.long-term  To promote a serious exchange of information and ideas on specific securities and investment strategies. The term "securities" refers to publicly traded financial products such as stocks, bonds, money market instruments, mutual funds, and derivatives. The term "strategies" refers to ways investors can incorporate an appropriate mix of securities in their portfolio in order to enhance long-term capital appreciation and/or income according to their financial needs.  Topics could  include:          - buy/sell/hold recommendations with concise justifications;         - portfolio design including the use of derivatives;         - technical analysis versus fundamental analysis in stockpicking;         - discussion of impending or announced IPOs; and         - balanced evaluations of management performance in           enhancing shareholder value.  Moderation Policies:  1. Contributions perceived to be stock promotion or demotion attempts will be rejected. This policy would not preclude, however, a balanced discussion of the pros and cons of buying, holding or selling publicly traded securities.  2. Contributions perceived to be personal attacks of any kind, including those on fellow contributors, will be rejected.  3. Commercials from individuals or organizations will be rejected.  4. Contributions that are deemed to be better suited to one of the more specialized newsgroups in the misc.invest hierarchy may also be rejected. For example, general discussion of a particular option strategy would be better suited to misc.invest.options; however, the same discussion within the context of security or portfolio hedging would be appropriate for misc.invest.long-term.  5. Where the subject of a contribution is a publicly traded security or impending IPO, the author will be required to clearly indicate his (or her) recent or current association, if any, with the security and/or the company in question. Association would include disclosure of long or short positions of the security in the contributor's portfolio, and/or employment with either the company behind the security or the underwriter/dealer of the security.  END CHARTER.  MODERATOR INFO: misc.invest.long-term  Moderator:  [email protected] (Chirantan Basu)  Chirantan is a licensed stockbroker in Canada (registered with the Ontario Securities Commission), and a partner in a federally incorporated business management consulting group. He is also a six year member of the National Capital Freenet (www.ncf.ca), one of the largest member supported Freenets in the world.  Moderator:  [email protected] (Brian Edmonds)  Brian has been on Usenet for ten years, a moderator for the last five. He is the moderation coordinator for rec.arts.anime.creative, and sole moderator for:      - rec.music.info,      - rec.music.reviews,      - comp.doc.techreports, and      - rec.drugs.announce. Brian runs the moderation software for all five newsgroups.  END MODERATOR INFO.   PROCEDURE:  This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes.  In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups should be raised and resolved.  The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it.  Please do not attempt to vote until this happens.  This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal".  Please refer to these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the process.  DISTRIBUTION:    news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, misc.invest.misc  and pointers to    misc.invest.canada, misc.invest.financial-plan,   misc.invest.futures, misc.invest.marketplace,   misc.invest.mutual-funds,   misc.invest.options, misc.invest.real-estate,   misc.invest.stocks, misc.invest.technical,   aus.invest, ncf.sigs.business.stock-trade  Proponent: Chirantan Basu <[email protected]>  ========= WAS CANCELLED BY =======: Path: news.sol.net!spool0-nwblwi.newsops.execpc.com!newspump.sol.net!news.execpc.com!newspeer.sol.net!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gblx.net!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!63.211.125.72!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!news01!news02.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <[email protected]> Control: cancel <[email protected]> Subject: cmsg cancel <[email protected]> From: [email protected] (Chirantan Basu) Newsgroups: news.groups Lines: 1 Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 15:30:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 167.206.118.228 X-Trace: news02 962983805 167.206.118.228 (Fri, 07 Jul 2000 11:30:05 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 11:30:05 EDT Organization: Optimum Online  cancel  From [email protected][reposted.because.of.HipClone.cancel] Fri Jul  7 18:11:11 2000 Control: cancel <9$-_%%_%_%$--%_%[email protected]> Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Chirantan Basu) [reposted because of HipClone cancel] Subject: cmsg cancel <9$-_%%_%_%$--%_%[email protected]> Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.invest.misc Message-ID: [email protected]> Followup-To: news.groups Approved: [email protected] Archive-Name: misc.invest.long-term Date: 08 Jul 00 01:11:10 GMT Sender: [email protected] (Howard Knight) Lines: 2 Xref: news.isc.org control.cancel:8181509  Unapproved article for news.announce.newgroups auto-cancelled by daemon on behalf of moderator.  From [email protected] Wed Jul 19 12:59:37 2000 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Neil Crellin <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.invest.misc Subject: CFV: misc.invest.long-term moderated Followup-To: poster Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: [email protected] Expires: 10 Aug 2000 00:00:00 GMT Archive-Name: misc.invest.long-term Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 19:55:00 GMT Lines: 197 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:11547 news.groups:360219 misc.invest.misc:23766                       FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)                 moderated group misc.invest.long-term  This CFV is to be distributed only by the votetaker.  It is not to be posted to newsgroups, or mailed to mailing lists or individuals, except by the votetaker.  Ballots or CFVs provided by anyone else will be invalid.  Newsgroups line: misc.invest.long-term	Moderated newsgroup for long-term investors. (Moderated)  Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 9 Aug 2000.  This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.  Proponent: Chirantan Basu <[email protected]> Votetaker: Neil Crellin <[email protected]>  RATIONALE: misc.invest.long-term  We currently have several newsgroups in the misc.invest hierarchy for different aspects of investing. The most popular of them appears to be misc.invest.stocks, where short-term (and long-term) investors can chat about various publicly traded stocks. Derivatives can be discussed in misc.invest.options and misc.invest.futures, mutual funds in misc.invest.mutual-funds, real estate in misc.invest.real-estate, and momentum investing in misc.invest.technical. Investors looking for guidance on tax and estate planning can visit misc.invest.financial-plan. We even have at least two geographically focused newsgroups - misc.invest.canada and aus.invest.  There is now a need for one newsgroup where individuals with a long-term (3 years +) investment horizon can come together and thoughtfully discuss the intricacies of different securities and strategies in a moderated environment designed to encourage like minded investors from all over the world. The proposed moderated newsgroup, misc.invest.long-term, can fulfil that need.  CHARTER: misc.invest.long-term  To promote a serious exchange of information and ideas on specific securities and investment strategies. The term "securities" refers to publicly traded financial products such as stocks, bonds, money market instruments, mutual funds, and derivatives.  The term "strategies" refers to ways investors can incorporate an appropriate mix of securities in their portfolio in order to enhance long-term capital appreciation and/or income according to their financial needs.  Topics could include:  - buy/sell/hold recommendations with concise justifications; - portfolio design including the use of derivatives; - technical analysis versus fundamental analysis in stockpicking; - discussion of impending or announced IPOs; and - balanced evaluations of management performance in   enhancing shareholder value.  Moderation Policies:  1. Contributions perceived to be stock promotion or demotion attempts will be rejected. This policy would not preclude, however, a balanced discussion of the pros and cons of buying, holding or selling publicly traded securities.  2. Contributions perceived to be personal attacks of any kind, including those on fellow contributors, will be rejected.  3. Commercials from individuals or organizations will be rejected.  4. Contributions that are deemed to be better suited to one of the more specialized newsgroups in the misc.invest hierarchy may also be rejected.     For example, general discussion of a particular option strategy    would be better suited to misc.invest.options; however, the    same discussion within the context of security or portfolio    hedging would be appropriate for misc.invest.long-term.  5. Where the subject of a contribution is a publicly traded security or impending IPO, the author will be required to clearly indicate his (or her) recent or current association, if any, with the security and/or the company in question. Association would include disclosure of long or short positions of the security in the contributor's portfolio, and/or employment with either the company behind the security or the underwriter/dealer of the security.  END CHARTER.  MODERATOR INFO: misc.invest.long-term  Moderator: [email protected] (Chirantan Basu) Moderator: [email protected] (Brian Edmonds) Administrative contact address: [email protected] Article submission address: [email protected]  END MODERATOR INFO.  IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: READ THIS BEFORE VOTING  The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest in reading the proposed newsgroup, and soliciting votes from uninterested parties defeats this purpose.  Do *not* distribute this CFV;  instead, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing specific voting instructions or pre-marked copies of this CFV is considered vote fraud.  This is a public vote:  All email addresses, names and votes will be listed in the final RESULT post.  The name used may be either a real name or an established Usenet handle.  At most one vote is allowed per person or per account.  Duplicate votes will be resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote.  Voters must mail their ballots directly to the votetaker.  Anonymous, forwarded, or proxy votes are not valid, nor are votes mailed from WWW/HTML/CGI forms (which should not exist).  Votes from nonexistent accounts are also invalid, and the votetaker will reject any "munged" address he cannot decipher immediately.  Please direct any questions to the votetaker at <[email protected]>  HOW TO VOTE:  Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before and after the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" and "END OF BALLOT" lines.  Don't worry about the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply inserts.  Please, DO NOT send the entire CFV back to me!  Fill in the ballot as shown below.  Please provide your REAL NAME and indicate your desired vote in the appropriate locations inside the ballot.  Examples of how to properly indicate your vote:    [ YES     ]  example.yes.vote   [ NO      ]  example.no.vote   [ ABSTAIN ]  example.abstention   [ CANCEL  ]  example.cancellation  DO NOT modify, alter or delete any information in this ballot! If you do, the voting software will probably reject your ballot.  When finished, MAIL the ballot to: < [email protected] > Just "replying" to this message should work, but check the "To:" line.  If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker about the problem.  You are responsible for reading your ack and making sure your vote is registered correctly.  If these instructions are unclear, please consult the Introduction to Usenet Voting or the Usenet Voting FAQ at http://www.stanford.edu/~neilc/uvv.  ======== BEGINNING OF BALLOT: Delete everything before this line ======= .----------------------------------------------------------------------- | 1ST CALL FOR VOTES: misc.invest.long-term | Official Usenet Voting Ballot  (Do not remove this line!) |----------------------------------------------------------------------- | Please provide your real name, or your vote may be rejected.  Place | ONLY your name (ie. do NOT include your e-mail address or any other | information; ONLY your name) after the colon on the following line:  Voter name:  | Insert YES, NO, ABSTAIN, or CANCEL inside the brackets for each | newsgroup listed below (do not delete the newsgroup name):   Your Vote   Newsgroup  ---------   ----------------------------------------------------------- [         ]  misc.invest.long-term (moderated)  ======== END OF BALLOT: Delete everything after this line ==============  DISTRIBUTION:  Pointers directing readers to this CFV will be posted in these groups:  aus.invest misc.invest.canada misc.invest.financial-plan misc.invest.futures misc.invest.marketplace misc.invest.mutual-funds misc.invest.options misc.invest.real-estate misc.invest.stocks misc.invest.technical ncf.sigs.business.stock-trade  This CFV was created with uvpq 1.0 (Feb  6 1999). PQ datestamp: 980322  --  Voting address: [email protected]  From [email protected] Thu Aug  3 14:14:28 2000 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Neil Crellin <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.invest.misc Subject: 2nd CFV: misc.invest.long-term moderated Followup-To: poster Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Supersedes: <[email protected]> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: [email protected] Expires: 10 Aug 2000 00:00:00 GMT Archive-Name: misc.invest.long-term Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 21:02:18 GMT Lines: 201 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:11558 news.groups:362104 misc.invest.misc:24023                        LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)                 moderated group misc.invest.long-term  This CFV is to be distributed only by the votetaker.  It is not to be posted to newsgroups, or mailed to mailing lists or individuals, except by the votetaker.  Ballots or CFVs provided by anyone else will be invalid.  Newsgroups line: misc.invest.long-term	Moderated newsgroup for long-term investors. (Moderated)  Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 9 Aug 2000.  This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.  Proponent: Chirantan Basu <[email protected]> Votetaker: Neil Crellin <[email protected]>  RATIONALE: misc.invest.long-term  We currently have several newsgroups in the misc.invest hierarchy for different aspects of investing. The most popular of them appears to be misc.invest.stocks, where short-term (and long-term) investors can chat about various publicly traded stocks. Derivatives can be discussed in misc.invest.options and misc.invest.futures, mutual funds in misc.invest.mutual-funds, real estate in misc.invest.real-estate, and momentum investing in misc.invest.technical. Investors looking for guidance on tax and estate planning can visit misc.invest.financial-plan. We even have at least two geographically focused newsgroups - misc.invest.canada and aus.invest.  There is now a need for one newsgroup where individuals with a long-term (3 years +) investment horizon can come together and thoughtfully discuss the intricacies of different securities and strategies in a moderated environment designed to encourage like minded investors from all over the world. The proposed moderated newsgroup, misc.invest.long-term, can fulfil that need.  CHARTER: misc.invest.long-term  To promote a serious exchange of information and ideas on specific securities and investment strategies. The term "securities" refers to publicly traded financial products such as stocks, bonds, money market instruments, mutual funds, and derivatives.  The term "strategies" refers to ways investors can incorporate an appropriate mix of securities in their portfolio in order to enhance long-term capital appreciation and/or income according to their financial needs.  Topics could include:  - buy/sell/hold recommendations with concise justifications; - portfolio design including the use of derivatives; - technical analysis versus fundamental analysis in stockpicking; - discussion of impending or announced IPOs; and - balanced evaluations of management performance in   enhancing shareholder value.  Moderation Policies:  1. Contributions perceived to be stock promotion or demotion attempts will be rejected. This policy would not preclude, however, a balanced discussion of the pros and cons of buying, holding or selling publicly traded securities.  2. Contributions perceived to be personal attacks of any kind, including those on fellow contributors, will be rejected.  3. Commercials from individuals or organizations will be rejected.  4. Contributions that are deemed to be better suited to one of the more specialized newsgroups in the misc.invest hierarchy may also be rejected.     For example, general discussion of a particular option strategy    would be better suited to misc.invest.options; however, the    same discussion within the context of security or portfolio    hedging would be appropriate for misc.invest.long-term.  5. Where the subject of a contribution is a publicly traded security or impending IPO, the author will be required to clearly indicate his (or her) recent or current association, if any, with the security and/or the company in question. Association would include disclosure of long or short positions of the security in the contributor's portfolio, and/or employment with either the company behind the security or the underwriter/dealer of the security.  END CHARTER.  MODERATOR INFO: misc.invest.long-term  Moderator: [email protected] (Chirantan Basu) Moderator: [email protected] (Brian Edmonds) Administrative contact address: [email protected] Article submission address: [email protected]  END MODERATOR INFO.  IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: READ THIS BEFORE VOTING  The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest in reading the proposed newsgroup, and soliciting votes from uninterested parties defeats this purpose.  Do *not* distribute this CFV;  instead, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing specific voting instructions or pre-marked copies of this CFV is considered vote fraud.  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PQ datestamp: 980322  --  Voting address: [email protected]  From [email protected] Wed Aug  9 17:29:27 2000 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Neil Crellin <[email protected]> Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.invest.misc Subject: RESULT: misc.invest.long-term moderated fails 49:22 Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Supersedes: <[email protected]> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: [email protected] Archive-Name: misc.invest.long-term Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 00:22:27 GMT Lines: 208 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:11560 news.groups:362419 misc.invest.misc:24108                                  RESULT           moderated group misc.invest.long-term fails 49:22  There were 49 YES votes and 22 NO votes, for a total of 71 valid votes.  There were 2 abstentions and 2 invalid ballots.  For a group to pass, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes.  There must also be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.  A five day discussion period follows this announcement.  Unless serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the group may not be voted on again for six months.  Newsgroups line: misc.invest.long-term	Moderated newsgroup for long-term investors. (Moderated)  The voting period closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 9 Aug 2000.  This vote was conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.  Proponent: Chirantan Basu <[email protected]> Votetaker: Neil Crellin <[email protected]>  RATIONALE: misc.invest.long-term  We currently have several newsgroups in the misc.invest hierarchy for different aspects of investing. The most popular of them appears to be misc.invest.stocks, where short-term (and long-term) investors can chat about various publicly traded stocks. Derivatives can be discussed in misc.invest.options and misc.invest.futures, mutual funds in misc.invest.mutual-funds, real estate in misc.invest.real-estate, and momentum investing in misc.invest.technical. Investors looking for guidance on tax and estate planning can visit misc.invest.financial-plan. We even have at least two geographically focused newsgroups - misc.invest.canada and aus.invest.  There is now a need for one newsgroup where individuals with a long-term (3 years +) investment horizon can come together and thoughtfully discuss the intricacies of different securities and strategies in a moderated environment designed to encourage like minded investors from all over the world. The proposed moderated newsgroup, misc.invest.long-term, can fulfil that need.  CHARTER: misc.invest.long-term  To promote a serious exchange of information and ideas on specific securities and investment strategies. The term "securities" refers to publicly traded financial products such as stocks, bonds, money market instruments, mutual funds, and derivatives.  The term "strategies" refers to ways investors can incorporate an appropriate mix of securities in their portfolio in order to enhance long-term capital appreciation and/or income according to their financial needs.  Topics could include:  - buy/sell/hold recommendations with concise justifications; - portfolio design including the use of derivatives; - technical analysis versus fundamental analysis in stockpicking; - discussion of impending or announced IPOs; and - balanced evaluations of management performance in   enhancing shareholder value.  Moderation Policies:  1. Contributions perceived to be stock promotion or demotion attempts will be rejected. This policy would not preclude, however, a balanced discussion of the pros and cons of buying, holding or selling publicly traded securities.  2. Contributions perceived to be personal attacks of any kind, including those on fellow contributors, will be rejected.  3. Commercials from individuals or organizations will be rejected.  4. Contributions that are deemed to be better suited to one of the more specialized newsgroups in the misc.invest hierarchy may also be rejected.     For example, general discussion of a particular option strategy    would be better suited to misc.invest.options; however, the    same discussion within the context of security or portfolio    hedging would be appropriate for misc.invest.long-term.  5. Where the subject of a contribution is a publicly traded security or impending IPO, the author will be required to clearly indicate his (or her) recent or current association, if any, with the security and/or the company in question. Association would include disclosure of long or short positions of the security in the contributor's portfolio, and/or employment with either the company behind the security or the underwriter/dealer of the security.  END CHARTER.  MODERATOR INFO: misc.invest.long-term  Moderator: [email protected] (Chirantan Basu) Moderator: [email protected] (Brian Edmonds) Administrative contact address: [email protected] Article submission address: [email protected]  END MODERATOR INFO.    misc.invest.long-term Final Voter list  NOTE:  This is not [to be used as] a mailing list.  The email addresses are posted only to help verify the interest poll.  Thank you.  Voted YES ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ basu [at] freenet.carleton.ca                                   Chirantan Basu cx172 [at] freenet.carleton.ca                                     Elat Lerner wspeirs [at] chebucto.ns.ca                                   Walter G. Speirs trevort [at] vianet.on.ca                                       Trevor Tymchuk speirs [at] primus.ca                                       Robert J.N. Speirs morme [at] aveox.com                                              Matthew Orme kimdv [at] best.com                                               Kim DeVaughn carol [at] cflynt.com                                              Carol Flynt cafzali [at] email.com                                            Cyrus Afzali mort-angel [at] excite.com                                          Mort Angel ron_p [at] execpc.com                                             Ron Peterson jeremy [at] exit109.com                                           Jeremy Nixon biow [at] ezmort.com                                          Christopher Biow skumar3 [at] ford.com                                           Shailesh Kumar prs [at] gol.com                                              Peter Stephenson earthscibbs [at] home.com                                        David Ramalho holly-ordway [at] home.com                                     Holly E. Ordway pete-forte [at] home.com                                           Peter Forte kowallek [at] iglou.com                                            D. Kowallek chris [at] kzim.com                                Christopher Robin Zimmerman edenbrook [at] mail.com                                            Ray Pastore mark [at] mathu.com                                                 Mark Mathu brahms [at] mindspring.com                                          Stan Brown dc [at] panix.com                                            David W. Crawford phil [at] panix.com                                             Phil Gustafson mra [at] pobox.com                                                 Mark Atwood kenrbnsn [at] rbnsn.com                                           Ken Robinson edwardp [at] rcn.com                                         Edward P. Dittmer stamper [at] stamper.com                                         Chris Stamper dwolff [at] world.std.com                                          David Wolff pan [at] syix.com                                                          Pan dougob [at] the-spa.com                                           Doug O'brien eidolon [at] zianet.com                                         Neill Massello naddy [at] mips.inka.de                                   Christian Weisgerber hsauer [at] marnie.teuto.de                                      Henning Sauer fungus [at] OCF.Berkeley.EDU                                         Hank Fung rufinus [at] mbe.ece.wisc.edu                                        J Rufinus paulswm [at] earthlink.net                                    Paul S.W. Morgan geletka [at] mister.frogspace.net grobe [at] netins.net                                           Jonathan Grobe kneecap [at] netnet.net                                            Neal Cappel bfrost [at] nyx.net                                              Bonnell Frost cybercpa [at] prodigy.net                                      Susan Wasserman fogazzid [at] softhome.net                                     Daniele Fogazzi kb5cng [at] amsat.org                                            R.L. Thompson edward [at] paleo.org                                              Edward Reid jon [at] thomson2273.freeserve.co.uk                               Jon Thomson chriseb [at] ukshells.co.uk                                     Chris Ebenezer rlcarr [at] animato.arlington.ma.us                              Rich Carriero  Voted NO ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ yan [at] storm.ca                                            Yves Bellefeuille Namara [at] aol.com                                                     Namara stainles [at] bga.com                                             Dwight Brown tjmc [at] enteract.com                                                    tjmc joneshenr [at] hotmail.com                                         Henry Jones wiz [at] lart.com                                                          Wiz coli [at] mindspring.com                                          Erin Johnson gprrspw [at] mindspring.com                                          G.P. Ryan rainfield [at] mindspring.com                                      Andy Elfway olav [at] viking.mv.com                                        Olav Nieuwejaar aahz [at] netcom.com                                                      Aahz tgm [at] netcom.com                                       Thomas G. McWilliams dmescher [at] nortelnetworks.com                                 David Mescher littletoad [at] playful.com                                        little toad bmailman [at] sfo.com                                            Brian Mailman meg [at] Steam.Stanford.EDU                                         meg worley rick [at] bcm.tmc.edu                                           Richard Miller doc [at] america.net                                                 Rob Wynne ruthien [at] concentric.net                                    Moshe Siechmach mmontcha [at] OregonVOS.net                                 Matthew Montchalin billo [at] Radix.Net                                         William R. Oliver denebeim [at] deepthot.org                                        Jay Denebeim  Abstained ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ graham.drabble [at] lineone.net                                 Graham Drabble r.vanette [at] pink.nl                                     Robert-Jan van Ette  Invalid votes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ alex [at] unicorn.us.com                                           A. Matulich     ! Invalid address - rahul blocking votetaker tennyson [at] caverock.net.nz.N-OS-PAM                         Snoopy Tennyson     ! Invalid address - Host not found   --  Neil Crellin, UVV <[email protected]>