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From [email protected] Mon May 23 15:55:15 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Jon Shemitz <[email protected]> Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.education,misc.kids Subject: RFD: misc.education.home Followup-To: news.groups Date: 20 May 1994 14:37:47 -0400 Organization: Midnight Beach Lines: 92 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5111 news.groups:104409 misc.education:19489 misc.kids:126578  1 - Proposed Charter:   A forum for the discussion of any and all aspects of home schooling: >from completely unschooled and child-directed to rigidly  curriculum-based and parent-led; from tips and experiences to  meta-discussions of the nature of ideas and the structure of society.   The possible .christian group would be a forum specifically for those  home schoolers who consider Christ the center of their life and the  basis for all their decisions.  The creation of two groups would  constitute a sort of fire wall that should help reduce tension between  those who think that "secular humanism" is simply rationalism and those  who think it is Satanism.   2 - Purpose:  Handle volume, manage diversity, increase accessibility.   2.1 - Volume:  The number of home-schoolers seems to be growing every day.  Ditto the  number of home-schoolers on the internet:  The home-ed mailing list has  grown to the point where a few days of not reading your mail can mean  you'll spend the better part of a day catching up.  People have started  unsubscribing simply because they can't handle the volume, and messages  sometimes bounce back to the list maintainer because some list members'  mailboxes are full!   News readers, however, are better able to handle this sort of volume.   One can read the threads that are personally interesting, and ignore the  threads that are not, without having to scan the first page of each  message.   2.2 - Diversity: A news group would seem better able to contain a high level of  diversity, with less of the violent antipathies that a single mailing  list seemed to entail or the balkanization of discussion that  specialized lists entails.  Instead of telling people to take a given  discussion "out of my mailbox", one can just stop reading the thread, or  even put it in their kill file.  Similarly, the ability to totally  ignore messages from the people you find the most objectionable would  certainly help reduce friction in a group as polarized as home  schoolers.                2.3 - Accessibility: Further, a news group is a sort of central place that everyone can  find.  I posted the prelimary RFD's to the four home schooling mailing  lists that I know of, but the odds are good both that there are several  home schooling mailing lists that I've never heard of and that there are  many home schoolers who have never found any of the existing mailing  lists.   3 - Dangling Issues:   3.1 - Need: Do home schoolers (and potential home schoolers) want a newsgroup?  (I  got about 50 replies from the mailing lists supporting a newsgroup; we  need at least 100 yes votes AND a 2/3rds margin to create a group.)  Certainly a "self advertising" newsgroup would get more trash than the  mailing lists -- more bone-headed surveys, more MAKE.MONEY.FAST, and  the like -- but I tend to think that this would be more than balanced by  the greater range of discussion from people who never found the mailing  lists.   3.2 - Name: If a home school group should be created, what should it be called and  where does the new group belong in the news group hierarchy?  I lean  towards misc.home-school, but it's been pointed out that the Net Gods  prefer to keep the number of groups directly under misc. to a minimum.     While my personal preference (and seemingly that of at least a few  others on the mailing list) is to put the group under misc.kids as  "education" has connotations of Professional Teachers and all the sort  of dumbing down that many of us are trying to avoid, the moderator  of news.announce.newgroups felt that this *is* an education group, not  another Kids Say The Darndest Things group, and so belongs in  misc.education.  I guess this reduces the naming question to  "misc.education.home or misc.education.home-school?"   One good argument for the former is that it is shorter, which is a good  idea since there will inevitably be fragmentation.  Which brings me to                3.3 - Fire-wall:                     As per the Charter, the differences between Christian and non-Christian  home schoolers seem to generate a lot of flames, but nothing much in the  way of useful discussion.  Perhaps would be a good idea to create >two<  groups:  misc.education.home and misc.education.home.christian (or  misc.education.christian.home)?   3.4 - Mail-link: Some people can not read news groups.  Several of them said they would be  for a news group if and only if it were set up so that all postings go  to a mailing list, and all mail sent to the list gets posted.  I know  this can be done, but don't know how to do it -- is anyone willing to  step forward and volunteer to take care of this?  From [email protected] Tue Jun 14 14:44:24 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Jon Shemitz) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.education,misc.kids Subject: 2nd RFD: misc.education.home-school.{misc,christian} Followup-To: news.groups Date: 14 Jun 1994 11:52:22 -0400 Organization: Midnight Beach Lines: 127 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5203 news.groups:106246 misc.education:20045 misc.kids:131039  Since this is a follow-up to my 5-20-94 proposal to create  misc.education.home and misc.education.home.christian, I'm going to omit  all of the rationale for newsgroup creation that appeared in the 1st  RFD.  (I'll be glad to mail a copy of the 1st RFD to anyone who can't  find an archived copy.)  My intent in this 2nd RFD is to briefly  summarize the discussion to date and the few resulting changes in my  proposal.   Since a number of the people who have responded to the 1st RFD seem to  know as little about newsgroup creation as I did a couple of months ago,  I think I should mention that YOU CANNOT YET VOTE FOR THE NEW GROUP(S)!  The newsgroup creation process has a number of rules which are intended  to reduce the possibility of acrimony over creation (or non-creation)  and they must be followed or the group will not be created.  One  important one is that the actual voting period must be preceded by ca 30  days of open discussion.  Another is that all votes must be sent to a  neutral volunteer during the publicly announced voting period:  I cannot  say "Oh, 25 people voted yes during the discussion period", even if some  of those 25 do so publicly.  I will arrange for the formal vote on or  around June 20th.   1 - Proposed Charter(s):   misc.education.home-school.misc is a forum for the discussion of any and all  aspects of home-schooling: from completely unschooled and child-directed  to rigidly curriculum-based and parent-led; from tips and experiences to  meta-discussions of the nature of ideas and the structure of society.   misc.education.home-school.christian is a forum specifically for those  home-schoolers who consider Christ the center of their life and the  basis for all their decisions.  Keeping all such religious references  and justifications in the .christian group constitutes a vital fire wall  that helps reduce tension between those who think that "secular  humanism" is simply rationalism and those who think it is Satanism.   2 - Issues:   2.1 - Need:  The number of people who want at least the general newsgroup seems to be  more than enough to create one.  Similarly, the people who oppose  newsgroup creation (primarily because they feel it will degrade the  discussions) can so far be counted on one hand -- much, much less than  one in three!   2.2 - Name:  In the 1st RFD, I proposed that we call the new group misc.education.home.  Several people pointed out that this also includes things like the sort  of Famous Writers' schools that advertise on match books or even  home-owners' education, and thus that the more specific name  misc.education.home-school was better.  This seems like a good point to  me, so this 2nd RFD bears the longer name, as will the CFV (barring some  mass uprising to the contrary).   Also, the Net God in charge of newsgroup creation feels that it's best  not to create a group and subgroup simultaneously:  it's better to  create two sibling groups.  That is, rather than  misc.education.home-school and misc.education.home-school.christian, we  should create misc.education.home-school.misc and  misc.education.home-school.christian.  The reasoning is that this makes  it easier for sysadmins to take only the general group; helps cuts down  on cross-posting; and prevents any feeling that Christians are being  stigmatized by being banished to a subgroup.  Personally, I think that a  31 character group name is sort of long and unwieldy, but since few  people type in a newsgroup name each time they want to read it, I  suppose this really isn't an issue.   2.3 - Fire-wall:  The proposal to create two groups has been the most controversial part  of the RFD.  However, since there seems to be four or five supporters  for every one opponent, it looks like we will be creating two groups.  Further, since most of the opposition seemed to be from fundamentalist  Christians who object to being stigmatized by being relegated to a  subgroup, creating two fourth level groups may erase much of that  opposition.   The remaining opposition was of the form "Why assume there will be  trouble?  Why not create one group and split it if it proves  necessary?", which seems to fly against the experience of the home-ed  mailing list:  Before there was an explicitly Christian mailing list,  there *were* a lot of flame wars.  Since then, there have been fewer  flame wars, and they have been much milder.     The broad (or secular) home-ed mailing list sees perhaps ten or fifteen  times as many messages per day as the explicitly Christian list.  Many  people participate in both lists, generally displaying very accurate  judgment as to what would offend those people on the main list who don't  share their (particular variety of) fundamentalist beliefs.   Finally, if we wait for trouble, we're facing over two months of totally  avoidable flames as we circulate a RFD to split the group then wait  through a CFV.  This brings me to:   3.4 - Moderation: Several people posted messages saying, in effect, "If home-schoolers are  so polarized, maybe the group(s) should be moderated."  I don't have a  feel for the balance of opinion here, but I think the group(s) should be  unmoderated for three basic reasons:  1) Perhaps most importantly, the  mailing list fire wall basically does work.  Given that moderation,  however benign, will slow and restrict discussion, I think that we  should avoid it unless and/or until it seems absolutely necessary.  2)  The home-ed list can sometimes see a hundred messages a day, and the newsgroup will generate even higher volume.  Where will we find someone  (with good connectivity) who's willing to read each and every one of  those messages?  3) It's not enough to find someone on a good site who's  willing to wade through a slush pile:  They must also be someone that  people know, and trust to not reject messages simply because they  disagree with them.            I suspect that moderation is the biggest remaining issue that we must  resolve before we can issue a Call For Votes.  Please send your opinions  to me via email, and I'll save them in a ftp-able file at  deeptht.armory.com in the directory /pub/user/jon.   3.5 - Mail-link:  We still have a problem here.  Some people can not read news groups.  Several of them said they would be for a news group if and only if it  were set up so that all postings go to a mailing list, and all mail sent  to the list gets posted.  I know this can be done, but don't know how to  do it -- so far, no one has been willing to step forward and volunteer  to take care of this.  (Even if I did know how, news service to  armory.com can be erratic.) I don't know if the absence of a gateway  would generate enough NO votes to prevent the group(s) being created,  but I'd really rather not find out!   Please, I know that maintaining a mailing list is a thankless job, but  really, isn't there anyone out there who feels it's about time to give  something back to Usenet?  From [email protected] (RonDippold) Wed Jun 29 16:04:12 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.kids,misc.education Subject: CFV: misc.education.home-school.{misc,christian} Followup-To: poster Date: 29 Jun 1994 13:28:53 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 91 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 21 Jul 1994 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] (Ron Dippold Voting Alias) Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5302 news.groups:107450 misc.kids:133919 misc.education:20402  		     FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) 	  unmoderated group misc.education.home-school.misc 	unmoderated group misc.education.home-school.christian  Newsgroups line: misc.education.home-school.misc		Almost anything about home-schooling. misc.education.home-school.christian	Christian home-schooling.  Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 20 July 1994.  After this CFV appears on news.announce.newgroups it will be sent to the mailing lists:   home-ed                         [email protected]   home-ed-politics                [email protected]   homeschool_train_up_a_child     [email protected]   The Learning List               [email protected]   This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions only contact [email protected]  For questions about the proposed group contact Jon Shemitz <[email protected]>.   CHARTER   misc.education.home-school.misc is a forum for the discussion of any and  all aspects of home-schooling: from completely unschooled and  child-directed to rigidly curriculum-based and parent-led; from tips and  experiences to meta-discussions of the nature of ideas and the structure  of society.   misc.education.home-school.christian is a forum specifically for those  home-schoolers who consider Christ the center of their life and the  basis for all their decisions.  Keeping all such religious references  and justifications in the .christian group constitutes a vital fire wall  that helps reduce tension between those who think that "secular  humanism" is simply rationalism and those who think it is Satanism.   Neither group yet has a mailing list for a news<->mail gateway.   Hopefully, this WILL happen before the end of the voting period.  In  either case, a 2nd CFV will be posted, which will make it clear whether  or not the gateways will be created.  Anyone who would vote AGAINST  ungated newsgroups is cordially requested to wait until this 2nd CFV, to  give us every possible chance to establish the gateways.     The volume on the home-ed mailing list has grown to be totally  unmanageable, filling mailboxes and creating pleas to abort threads that  get `too tangential'.  Newsreaders are better able to handle this  volume, as one can simply ignore threads that are not interesting to  you.  Newsgroups are also better able to handle diversity, as one can  always add the most personally objectionable individuals to your kill  file.  Finally, the discussion process for the creation of these  newsgroups has made it amply clear that there are many home-schoolers  who read news but who have never found the mailing lists.   HOW TO VOTE  Erase everything above the top "-=-=-=-" line and erase everything below the bottom "-=-=-=-" line.  Do not erase anything between these lines and do not change the group names.  Give your name on the line that asks for it. For each group, place a YES or NO in the brackets next to it to vote for or against it.  If you don't want to vote on a particular group, just leave the space blank.  Don't worry about spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply inserts.  Send MAIL to:   [email protected] Check the 'To:' address before you send it off!  -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- misc.education.home-school vote Ballot   (Don't remove this marker)  Give your real name here:  [Your Vote]  Group ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [         ]  misc.education.home-school.misc [         ]  misc.education.home-school.christian -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-   Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge- ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.  Only one vote per person, no more than one vote per account.  Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.  From [email protected] (RonDippold) Tue Jul 12 15:10:54 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.kids,misc.education Subject: 2nd CFV: misc.education.home-school.{misc,christian} Supersedes: <[email protected]> Followup-To: poster Date: 11 Jul 1994 23:45:46 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 102 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 21 Jul 1994 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] (Ron Dippold Voting Alias) NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5321 news.groups:108157 misc.kids:135719 misc.education:20707                       LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)           unmoderated group misc.education.home-school.misc         unmoderated group misc.education.home-school.christian  Newsgroups line: misc.education.home-school.misc         Almost anything about home-schooling. misc.education.home-school.christian    Christian home-schooling.  Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 20 July 1994.  After this CFV appears on news.announce.newgroups it will be sent to the mailing lists:   home-ed                         [email protected]   home-ed-politics                [email protected]   homeschool_train_up_a_child     [email protected]   The Learning List               [email protected]   This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions only contact [email protected]  For questions about the proposed group contact Jon Shemitz <[email protected]>.   CHARTER   misc.education.home-school.misc is a forum for the discussion of any and  all aspects of home-schooling: from completely unschooled and  child-directed to rigidly curriculum-based and parent-led; from tips and  experiences to meta-discussions of the nature of ideas and the structure  of society.   misc.education.home-school.christian is a forum specifically for those  home-schoolers who consider Christ the center of their life and the  basis for all their decisions.  Keeping all such religious references  and justifications in the .christian group constitutes a vital fire wall  that helps reduce tension between those who think that "secular  humanism" is simply rationalism and those who think it is Satanism.   Neither group yet has a mailing list for a news<->mail gateway.   Hopefully, this WILL happen before the end of the voting period.  In  either case, a 2nd CFV will be posted, which will make it clear whether  or not the gateways will be created.  Anyone who would vote AGAINST  ungated newsgroups is cordially requested to wait until this 2nd CFV, to  give us every possible chance to establish the gateways.     The volume on the home-ed mailing list has grown to be totally  unmanageable, filling mailboxes and creating pleas to abort threads that  get `too tangential'.  Newsreaders are better able to handle this  volume, as one can simply ignore threads that are not interesting to  you.  Newsgroups are also better able to handle diversity, as one can  always add the most personally objectionable individuals to your kill  file.  Finally, the discussion process for the creation of these  newsgroups has made it amply clear that there are many home-schoolers  who read news but who have never found the mailing lists.   HOW TO VOTE  Erase everything above the top "-=-=-=-" line and erase everything below the bottom "-=-=-=-" line.  Do not erase anything between these lines and do not change the group names.  Give your name on the line that asks for it. For each group, place a YES or NO in the brackets next to it to vote for or against it.  If you don't want to vote on a particular group, just leave the space blank.  Don't worry about spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply inserts.  Send MAIL to:   [email protected] Check the 'To:' address before you send it off!  -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- misc.education.home-school vote Ballot   (Don't remove this marker)  Give your real name here:  [Your Vote]  Group ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [         ]  misc.education.home-school.misc [         ]  misc.education.home-school.christian -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-   Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge- ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.  Only one vote per person, no more than one vote per account.  Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.    misc.education.home-school vote Bounce List - No need to revote ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                                                       Chris Eich [email protected]                                          Paulo da Costa [email protected]                                     Harry Rockefeller [email protected]                                         James Neufeld [email protected]          MR BRADLEY PETTIJOHN [email protected]                         Thomas D. Johnston, MD  From [email protected] (RonDippold) Thu Jul 21 18:26:40 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.kids,misc.education Subject: RESULT: misc.education.home-school.{misc,christian} pass 235:28, 206:53 Supersedes: <[email protected]> Followup-To: news.groups Date: 21 Jul 1994 17:31:46 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 330 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5379 news.groups:109055 misc.kids:137680 misc.education:21039                                 RESULT       misc.education.home-school vote results - 280 valid votes   Yes   No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group ---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : -------------------------------------------  235   28 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : misc.education.home-school.misc  206   53 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : misc.education.home-school.christian   Newsgroups line: misc.education.home-school.misc         Almost anything about home-schooling. misc.education.home-school.christian    Christian home-schooling.  This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions only contact [email protected]  For questions about the proposed group contact Jon Shemitz <[email protected]>.   CHARTER   misc.education.home-school.misc is a forum for the discussion of any and  all aspects of home-schooling: from completely unschooled and  child-directed to rigidly curriculum-based and parent-led; from tips and  experiences to meta-discussions of the nature of ideas and the structure  of society.   misc.education.home-school.christian is a forum specifically for those  home-schoolers who consider Christ the center of their life and the  basis for all their decisions.  Keeping all such religious references  and justifications in the .christian group constitutes a vital fire wall  that helps reduce tension between those who think that "secular  humanism" is simply rationalism and those who think it is Satanism.   The volume on the home-ed mailing list has grown to be totally  unmanageable, filling mailboxes and creating pleas to abort threads that  get `too tangential'.  Newsreaders are better able to handle this  volume, as one can simply ignore threads that are not interesting to  you.  Newsgroups are also better able to handle diversity, as one can  always add the most personally objectionable individuals to your kill  file.  Finally, the discussion process for the creation of these  newsgroups has made it amply clear that there are many home-schoolers  who read news but who have never found the mailing lists.   misc.education.home-school vote Final Vote Ack                                       misc.education.home-school.christian ----+                                          misc.education.home-school.misc ---+|                                                                             || [email protected]                                   Abhay A. Ghaisas YN [email protected]                                                 Atle Bjanes YY [email protected]                                    F. P. Adams, Jr. YY [email protected]                                                  Steve Adams YY [email protected]                                                 Edith Weil YN [email protected]                                       Andrew Mossberg Y- [email protected]                                       Anita Kilgour -N [email protected]                                         Alan Moses YY [email protected]                                      Alan Marston Y- [email protected]                               Alastair Dickson Y- [email protected]                                        Anne Bennett Y- [email protected]                                      Donna Horne Y- [email protected]                    Sterfan Antersrberger NN [email protected]                                                Alan S. Koch YY [email protected]                                                 Jim Ault YY [email protected]                   AXTCC - Midnight 786-4646/786-1889 YY [email protected]                                        Ed Bailey NN [email protected]                                               Rita Baker YY [email protected]                                     Ben Armstrong YY [email protected]                                           Beth Crespo YY [email protected]                                  Rebecca Smith YY [email protected]                                                          YY [email protected]                                         Alice Bertelson YY [email protected]                                            Blair Gallant YY [email protected]                                  Brad W. Johnson NY [email protected]                                          Johan Blixt -N [email protected]                                           Brad Andrews YY [email protected]                                            Paul Brand YY [email protected]                          Candace Leatherman YY [email protected]                                Carol Thomas YY [email protected]                                         Carol Deboo Pitkin Y- [email protected]                                         Christopher Burian YY [email protected]                                          Chuck Cilek YY [email protected]                                            Frank Graubart NN [email protected]                                            Chris Cardiff YY [email protected]                                                    Chris Eich YY [email protected]                      Christopher K. Koenigsberg YN [email protected]                                  Cheryl Boyd YY [email protected]                                               Mike Wilson YY [email protected]                                            Paul Ferroni YY [email protected]                          Charles Proctor sr. YY [email protected]                                       Crislip, J. L. YY [email protected]                                Matthew Crosby NN [email protected]                     Kenneth P. Crouch, Jr. YY [email protected]                                               Mark Curley YY [email protected]                                            Christopher Ward YY [email protected]                                       Paulo da Costa NN [email protected]                                            Darien Gardner YY [email protected]                                           Dave O'Shea YY [email protected]                                      Jack Riggen Y- [email protected]                                          Donnie Curtis Y- [email protected]                                                          Y- [email protected]                                     M. Decerbo YY [email protected]                                         Michael M. Dedek YY [email protected]                                  Harry Rockefeller YY [email protected]                                       Michael Bates YY [email protected]                                         David L. Hanson  YY [email protected]                                                     dave mankins YY [email protected]                                     Doug Milford YN [email protected]                                            Laura Dolson YY [email protected]                                    Darrin M. Doud YY [email protected]                                   Douglas A. Myhre YY [email protected]                                       Douglas Wade YY [email protected]                             D. Douglas Valkenaar YY [email protected]                                                   Donald Pirl NY [email protected]                                         David R. Ross YY [email protected]                                                  David Torrey YY [email protected]                                                  Edward Bertsch YY [email protected]                                        Ed Moore YY egbert%[email protected]                                   Egbert Hinzen NN [email protected]ony.com                                                   Ed Taychert YY [email protected]                                                    YY [email protected]                                           Eric W. Anderson YY [email protected]                                              Mark Ferguson YY [email protected]                               Sean P. Ryan NN [email protected]                                             Mark Gahler YY [email protected]                       Matthew E. Galster YY [email protected]                                MaryBeth Garrigan Y- [email protected]                                 Gary Paulson YY [email protected]                                 Gerry Collins YY [email protected]                                               Gary E. Bloom YY [email protected]                          Gregory G. Gaertner YY [email protected]                                  Gregory G Woodbury YN [email protected]                                                Gil Neiger YN [email protected]                                                 Graham Ashby YY [email protected]                                       Karen Guthrie YY [email protected]                                           Griff Wigley Y- [email protected]                                                 Abram Hanna -Y [email protected]                                         Dayna Haugh -Y [email protected]                                          Henry Heerschap YY [email protected]                                                     Hal German Y- [email protected]                               Kenneth P. Hinson YY [email protected]                                               Lonnie Houck YY [email protected]                                         Herman Rubin YN [email protected]                                         Hugh Secker-Walker YY [email protected]                                      Guerney D. H. Hunt YY [email protected]           Sarah Fletcher (using a friend's account) YY [email protected]                                                J. H. Apgar YY [email protected]                                    David Jacobson YY [email protected]                                Janice E. Gee -Y [email protected]                                     Jason Hollister YY [email protected]                                     Jayne Kulikauskas YY [email protected]                                                Joe James YY [email protected]                                           Joshua Dunfield YY [email protected]                          James Alexander Chokey YY [email protected]                                              J.D. Falk YN [email protected]                                       Joseph Fortt YN [email protected]                                      Monument NN [email protected]                                              John Powers YY [email protected]                                        John L. Steeves YY [email protected]                                                 J. 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