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From [email protected] Tue Oct 11 13:06:55 1994
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From: [email protected] (Taneli Huuskonen)
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Subject: RFD: misc.health.arthritis
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REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION
======================

Group Name:    misc.health.arthritis
Status:        Unmoderated
Distribution:  Worldwide
Summary:       Discussion about arthritis and related issues
Proposed by:   Taneli Huuskonen ([email protected])


This is the official Request For Discussion concerning the creation of a
new group called misc.health.arthritis.  The group would be intended as
a more widespread forum for such discussions as currently take place in
the existing newsgroup alt.support.arthritis.  If an agreement about
the new group is reached within a discussion period lasting 21-30 days,
this RFD will be followed with a Call For Votes.  The CFV will be posted
to the same newsgroups as this RFD, namely:

alt.med.fibromyalgia
alt.support.arthritis
news.announce.newgroups
news.groups
sci.med.immunology

Any subsequent discussion is directed to news.groups.


Rationale
---------

The existing alt.support.arthritis has proved to be
a much-used discussion forum for both doctors and lay people, with a
remarkably good signal-to-noise ratio, and many people have expressed
their satisfaction with the group in their postings.  I have myself
found both the factual information and the personal sharing of
experiences very important.  Channeling the same discussions to
misc.health.arthritis would make them accessible to a wider audience,
as many Usenet sites do not carry the alt hierarchy of newsgroups
at all.

There was some concern about some current readers of
alt.support.arthritis being unable to access the new group.  This
problem seems to be cleared, at least for residents of Southern
Ontario.  If a similar situation persists somewhere else, please
make it known, so that alternative solutions can be sought
together.  For details, please refer to my recent postings on
alt.support.arthritis and followups to them by Linda Mayhew.

There is an existing misc.health hierarchy, which already has the
following groups: misc.health.diabetes, misc.health.aids, and
misc.health.alternative.  The new group would fit in well.


Charter
-------

The proposed group would be intended for discussions about different
aspects of arthritis mainly from the patient's point of view.  Medical
discussions are supposed to be informational only, not intended for a
substitute of consulting a properly trained medical practitioner.

Anyone with an interest in arthritis is free to post, including but not
limited to patients, their friends and family members, doctors, and
other medical professionals dealing with different forms of arthritis.

The following are examples of intended topics:

- symptoms and causes of different forms of arthritis
- treatments, both conventional and alternative
- arthritis-related practical problems and ways to overcome them
- social issues relevant to arthritis patients
- emotional support
- different resources available to people with arthritis

Scientific discussions that are likely to interest arthritis patients in
general are welcome on misc.health.arthritis, even if cross-posted to
sci.med.immunology.

Commercial advertisements may NOT be posted to the proposed group.
-- 
Taneli Huuskonen |  finger [email protected]  | Garanteely speling
-----------------|-------------------------------------| & grammer errur free
 Did I claim | S e va'gy tala'n me'g jobban boldogi't  |---------------------
 something?  | Mint ha ott volne'k, ahol lenni va'gyok.  -Peto"fi Sa'ndor


From [email protected] (RonDippold) Mon Nov 21 12:51:48 1994
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                          FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
                   unmoderated group misc.health.arthritis

Newsgroups line:
misc.health.arthritis	Arthritis and related disorders.

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 12 December 1994.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting
questions only contact [email protected]  For questions about the
proposed group contact Taneli Huuskonen <[email protected]>.


CHARTER

The proposed group would be intended for discussions about different
aspects of arthritis and related autoimmune disorders, such as lupus and
scleroderma, mainly from the patient's point of view.  Medical
discussions are supposed to be informational only, not intended for a
substitute of consulting a properly trained medical practitioner.

Anyone with an interest in arthritis is free to post, including but not
limited to patients, their friends and family members, doctors, and
other medical professionals dealing with different forms of arthritis.

The following are examples of intended topics:

- symptoms and causes of different forms of arthritis
- treatments, both conventional and alternative
- arthritis-related practical problems and ways to overcome them
- social issues relevant to arthritis patients
- emotional support
- different resources available to people with arthritis

Scientific discussions that are likely to interest arthritis patients in
general are welcome on misc.health.arthritis, even if cross-posted to
sci.med.immunology.

Commercial advertisements may NOT be posted to the proposed group.


Why vote yes?
-------------

If you are a reader of the existing alt.support.arthritis and you wish
more people could participate, or if you'd like to read it but your site
doesn't carry it, you have a reason to vote FOR the creation of the new
group.

-- Taneli Huuskonen



HOW TO VOTE

Send MAIL to:   [email protected]
Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.

Your mail message should contain one of the following statements:
      I vote YES on misc.health.arthritis
      I vote NO on misc.health.arthritis

You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome.
Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The
votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge-
ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again.
It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.

One vote counted per person, no more than one per account. Addresses and
votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.

From [email protected] (RonDippold) Thu Dec  1 15:35:57 1994
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From: [email protected] (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold)
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Subject: 2nd CFV: misc.health.arthritis
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                          LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
                   unmoderated group misc.health.arthritis

Newsgroups line:
misc.health.arthritis   Arthritis and related disorders.

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 12 December 1994.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting
questions only contact [email protected]  For questions about the
proposed group contact Taneli Huuskonen <[email protected]>.


CHARTER

The proposed group would be intended for discussions about different
aspects of arthritis and related autoimmune disorders, such as lupus and
scleroderma, mainly from the patient's point of view.  Medical
discussions are supposed to be informational only, not intended for a
substitute of consulting a properly trained medical practitioner.

Anyone with an interest in arthritis is free to post, including but not
limited to patients, their friends and family members, doctors, and
other medical professionals dealing with different forms of arthritis.

The following are examples of intended topics:

- symptoms and causes of different forms of arthritis
- treatments, both conventional and alternative
- arthritis-related practical problems and ways to overcome them
- social issues relevant to arthritis patients
- emotional support
- different resources available to people with arthritis

Scientific discussions that are likely to interest arthritis patients in
general are welcome on misc.health.arthritis, even if cross-posted to
sci.med.immunology.

Commercial advertisements may NOT be posted to the proposed group.


Why vote yes?
-------------

If you are a reader of the existing alt.support.arthritis and you wish
more people could participate, or if you'd like to read it but your site
doesn't carry it, you have a reason to vote FOR the creation of the new
group.

-- Taneli Huuskonen



HOW TO VOTE

Send MAIL to:   [email protected]
Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.

Your mail message should contain one of the following statements:
      I vote YES on misc.health.arthritis
      I vote NO on misc.health.arthritis

You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome.
Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The
votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge-
ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again.
It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.

One vote counted per person, no more than one per account. Addresses and
votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.



misc.health.arthritis Bounce List - No need to revote
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[email protected]                                                 B.J. Herbison

From [email protected] (RonDippold) Wed Dec 14 15:15:29 1994
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Subject: RESULT: misc.health.arthritis passes 143:11
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                                    RESULT
	unmoderated group misc.health.arthritis passes 143:11

There were 143 YES votes and 11 NO votes, for a total of 154 valid votes. 
There was 1 abstain.

For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO)
votes.   There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes. 

There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.  If no
serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of
news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter.


Newsgroups line:
misc.health.arthritis   Arthritis and related disorders.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting
questions only contact [email protected]  For questions about the
proposed group contact Taneli Huuskonen <[email protected]>.


CHARTER

The proposed group would be intended for discussions about different
aspects of arthritis and related autoimmune disorders, such as lupus and
scleroderma, mainly from the patient's point of view.  Medical
discussions are supposed to be informational only, not intended for a
substitute of consulting a properly trained medical practitioner.

Anyone with an interest in arthritis is free to post, including but not
limited to patients, their friends and family members, doctors, and
other medical professionals dealing with different forms of arthritis.

The following are examples of intended topics:

- symptoms and causes of different forms of arthritis
- treatments, both conventional and alternative
- arthritis-related practical problems and ways to overcome them
- social issues relevant to arthritis patients
- emotional support
- different resources available to people with arthritis

Scientific discussions that are likely to interest arthritis patients in
general are welcome on misc.health.arthritis, even if cross-posted to
sci.med.immunology.

Commercial advertisements may NOT be posted to the proposed group.


Why vote yes?
-------------

If you are a reader of the existing alt.support.arthritis and you wish
more people could participate, or if you'd like to read it but your site
doesn't carry it, you have a reason to vote FOR the creation of the new
group.

-- Taneli Huuskonen


misc.health.arthritis Final Vote Ack

Voted Yes
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[email protected]                                         Fred Marshall
[email protected]                                                            
[email protected]                                          Ashwini Kumar
[email protected]                                                 Tina M. Wood
[email protected]                              Anne-Michelle Singleton
[email protected]                                                 Amy McNulty
[email protected]                                             Ananda M. Kar
[email protected]                                                    Jim Ault
[email protected]                                                   Marianna Miles
[email protected]                                              Barb Beck
[email protected]                                                     Frank Bartel
[email protected]                                 Davidson, Bruce A.
[email protected]                                    Miguel Angel Belmonte
[email protected]                                           Elizabeth Schwartz
[email protected]                                                            
[email protected]                                                 B.J. Herbison
[email protected]                                               Bob Savage
[email protected]                                          Betty Sparks CIRT-IRC
[email protected]                                             Bill Weber (DVNS)
[email protected]                                           Bram Wolthoorn
[email protected]                                                  Chantal Cagle
[email protected]                                          Camilla Cracchiolo
[email protected]                                                         
[email protected]                                                    Daniel
[email protected]                                      Catherine Bellon
[email protected]                                              Mark Kupferman
[email protected]                                   Catherine E. Boyd
[email protected]                                             Roger Burns
[email protected]                                         Cory L. Scott
[email protected]                                                      Holden C.
[email protected]                                            Carlyn Quinton
[email protected]                                              carl e snook
[email protected]                                            Cheryl Walker
[email protected]                                               Christopher Ward
[email protected]                      Danielle Gladding
[email protected]                                                             
[email protected]                                  Frank P. Della Posta
[email protected]                                              Dennis Mahussier
[email protected]                                            Dale Gold
[email protected]                                                 Dave Brown
[email protected]                                                        Dave Sala
[email protected]                                             David Smith
[email protected]                                              Edward Reid
[email protected]                                           Ed Moore
[email protected]                                              Ed Harris
[email protected]                                                           
[email protected]                                             Eugene N. Miya
[email protected]                                                   Emery Lapinski
[email protected]                                                  ex237
[email protected]                                         Cathy Gearhart
[email protected]                                          Janette Wallis
[email protected]                                          Fred Inman
[email protected]                                                   Fred Tempereau
[email protected]                                   Craig Burley
[email protected]                                              Rajeeva Gaur
[email protected]                                                   Gil Neiger
[email protected]                                      John Goodman
[email protected]                                      Mary Gorman
[email protected]                               Grace Panourgias
grady@world.std.com                                                 Dick Grady
hevesh_c@apollo.hp.com                                                        
HSaal@svi.org                                                    Harry J. Saal
hsharpe@nova.umd.edu                                          Howard A. Sharpe
huuskone@cc.helsinki.fi                                       Taneli Huuskonen
jackr722@ix.netcom.com                                       Jack Rhondeau Jr.
jeffg@loki.engr.sgi.com                                         Jeff C. Glover
jim@fs.apl.cul.ca                                                   Jim Nealon
jjmorris@gandalf.rutgers.edu                                      Joyce Morris
jk55@cornell.edu                                   Jim Karpinski/Jane Koestler
john@r-cube.demon.co.uk                                          John Richards
jsteeves@is.dal.ca                                               Jason Steeves
jtillery@tintagel.dungeon.com                    jtillery@tintagel.dungeon.com
julie_hakewill@starbase1.caltech.edu                            Julie Hakewill
J_LADD@delphi.com                                                             
k9hi@netcom.com                                                   Phil Temples
kenji@reseau.toyonaka.osaka.jp                                  Kenji Rikitake
kerrinp@byron.apana.org.au                                         Kerrin Pine
kstaylor@qualcomm.com                                              Kirk Taylor
ksw1@ukc.ac.uk                                                                
kwfrank@ozspace.brisnet.org.au                               K KWFRANK W Frank
Lantz@physio.wa.com                                              Lantz Rowland
lauraw@meaddata.com                                                Laura Wanke
lculala@slonet.org                                             Linda C. Culala
leganza@usa.net                                                   Mark Leganza
lorna@rmtmhs.demon.co.uk                                          Lorna Buchan
markb@cccd.edu                                                      Mark Bixby
mcwagner@ix.netcom.com                                           Maxine Wagner
med30065@leonis.nus.sg                                             Tan Min-Han
memson@cix.compulink.co.uk                                          Mike Emson
menin@neb.com                                                      Julie Menin
mg@ac.duke.edu                                                   Michael Grubb
MIBROOKS@delphi.com                                                MIKE BROOKS
mpreston@netcom.com                                                Mar Preston
ms@dream.hb.north.de                                          Martin Schroeder
nanna@ludd.luth.se                                               Johanna Uhlin
nathan@bwh.harvard.edu                                             Nathan Mehl
nerwick@netcom.com                                               Randy Nerwick
neurolab@pavlov.psyc.queensu.ca                                   Peter Donald
nicholl@shrsys.hslc.org                                          Jamie Nicholl
nick@inferno.fc.hp.com                                          Nick Ingegneri
niko@selway.umt.edu                                         Nicholas A Bartoli
otto@vaxb.acs.unt.edu                                                  M. Otto
p01050@psilink.com                                          Robert F. Clements
pa150138@utkvm1.utk.edu                                        Tracy L. Carter
parkerd@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca                                    Diana Parker
peterd@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca                                      Peter Doell
pjp@pjp386.ih.att.com                                                         
PPARKER@TWSUVM.UC.TWSU.EDU                                         Phil Parker
radrayer@panix.com                                              Rebecca Drayer
rdeere@encore.com                                                    Roy Deere
reggie@netcom.com                                                 Reggie Dwork
rew@moontarz.nuance.com                                           Ryan Waldron
rtusler@cix.compulink.co.uk                                      Robert Tusler
rufinus@cae.wisc.edu                                                          
RUTH@ccs4.cc.monash.edu.au                                                Ruth
schaefer@scn.de                                                  Rolf Schaefer
schneip@iia.org                                                 Paul Schneider
sheetz@math.washington.edu                                         Mary Sheetz
slowney@u.washington.edu                                          Susan Lowney
smz@unive.it                                                      Sergio Manzi
somnath@latcs1.lat.oz.au                                         Somnath Ghosh
sproule@MITL.Research.Panasonic.COM                         William J. Sproule
ssj@cnj.digex.net                                               Sanford Jacobs
ssmith@dryad.cs.utsa.edu                                          Sam L. Smith
stamps@westmin.win.net                                          Noreen Palazzo
stcthelib@shrsys.hslc.org                                     Noel S. McFerran
Susan_Finger@WYVERN.CIMDS.RI.CMU.EDU                                          
swagaman@columbus.atlss.lehigh.edu                Stephanie Wagaman - ATLSS/RE
swkirch@chrisco.nrl.navy.mil                                  Steve Kirchoefer
T.Robinson@sheffield.ac.uk                                    TIMOTHY ROBINSON
tegtmeie@panix.com                                           John R. Tegtmeier
teshima@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu                             Lani Teshima-Miller
tfl@psp.co.uk                                                     Thomas F Lee
tgm@netcom.com                                            Thomas G. McWilliams
tmanda@nbnet.nb.ca                                      The Emily/T'Manda Crew
trc@nbnet.nb.ca                                                 Robert Cormier
trogers@ednet1.osl.or.gov                                           Ted Rogers
unicorn@RT66.com                                                       Unicorn
valiant@ritz.mordor.com                                                   Dave
WILLIAM1501@delphi.com                                                        
wmdawes@infi.net                                                 William Dawes
wmson@equinox.shaysnet.com                                   Mickey Williamson
wray@richmond.infi.net                                          Wray Henderson

Voted No
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archer@frmug.fr.net                                             Vincent Archer
crouchkp@flidh103.delcoelect.com                              Kenneth P Crouch
david@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu                                             David
gt5139c@prism.gatech.edu                                   Pete 'Happy' Thomas
IO20738@MAINE.MAINE.EDU                                       Brent Sutherland
jcmurphy@cadman.cit.buffalo.edu                                    Jeff Murphy
mb@agar.oche.de                                                 Marcus Breiing
MHURLEY@delphi.com                                                            
ptbast@owl.WPI.EDU                                                Pete Bastien
rick@bcm.tmc.edu                                             Richard H. Miller
stainles@bga.com                                                  Dwight Brown

Abstained
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mmt@RedBrick.COM                                          M Mike Taksar KC6ZPS

 
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