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From [email protected] Wed Mar 11 23:00:20 1998
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Marvin Vaun Frandsen <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.legal,alt.lawyers.sue.sue.sue,alt.child-support,alt.dads-rights.unmoderated,alt.mens-rights,alt.support.divorce,us.legal
Subject: RFD: misc.legal.self-represent
Followup-To: news.groups
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Approved: [email protected]
Archive-Name: misc.legal.self-represent
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 06:53:19 GMT
Lines: 90
Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:9856 news.groups:274021 misc.legal:225034 alt.child-support:131551 alt.dads-rights.unmoderated:1746 alt.support.divorce:2279

                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
             unmoderated group misc.legal.self-represent

This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a
world-wide unmoderated Usenet newsroup misc.legal.self-represent.
This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.
Procedural details are below.

Newsgroups line:
misc.legal.self-represent	Representing oneself in legal affairs.

RATIONALE: misc.legal.self-represent

With the advances in the information age, more information is
available now to persons representing themselves in legal
proceedings in and out of court than ever before.  As a result
publishing for "Pro Se" ("For Self") litigants is an expanding
field and more and more persons are electing to rely on
themselves to carry out a wide variety of legal proceedings.

While several newsgroups serve as fora for general legal
discussion, no newsgroup serves as a focused forum for persons
representing themselves in court to exchange information on the
details, mechanics and legal theories necessary to conduct
their cases successfully.  Such discussions, when they occur,
are usually easy to lose and hard to find as they are
inconsistently cross-posed inside of a wide variety of very
busy newsgroups that generally serve other topics.

The presence of many Pro Se topics within these newsgroups
indicates that a community of readers and posters exists which
are concerned with Pro Se issues and which would be well served
by a dedicated newsgroup.

CHARTER: misc.legal.self-represent

This unmoderated newsgroup would be a focused forum for folks
with legal problems and legal experience and information to
share.

Contributions from attorneys, whether exhortations to get a
lawyer or philosophical, or practical comments, would be welcome.

This focused forum would provide a place for folks with legal
problems and legal experience and information to share their
viewpoints, tips, horror stories, heaven stories, favorite
books, references to court rules and case law, recommendations
for attorneys, advice on conduct in court, complaints about
judges, complaints about attorneys, complaints about people
who represent themselves, praises for any of the above,
recommended Internet law sites, recommended approaches to
researching case law, recommendations for legal lists to
subscribe to, and otherwise provide a place for people to engage
in the discussion of a wide spectrum of topics about the perils,
joys, defeats, triumphs, and how-to of representing yourself in
court and in other legal proceedings.

All comments are on a "Caveat Emptor" basis, and would not
constitute legal advice.

Advertisements for legal services would be on-topic.

END CHARTER.

PROCEDURE:

This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes.  In this phase
of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups
should be raised and resolved.  The discussion period will continue
for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this
proposal is posted to news.announce.newsgroups), after which a Call for
Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion
warrants it.  Please do not attempt to vote until this happens.

All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.

This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How
to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal."  Please refer to these
documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any
questions about the process.

DISTRIBUTION:

misc.legal, misc.legal.moderated,
alt.lawyers.sue.sue.sue, alt.child-support,
alt.dads-rights.unmoderated, alt.mens-rights,
alt.support.divorce, us.legal

Proponent: Marvin Vaun Frandsen <[email protected]>

From [email protected] Sun Apr 26 21:45:14 1998
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Neil Crellin <[email protected]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.child-support,alt.dads-rights.unmoderated,alt.lawyers.sue.sue.sue,law.court.federal,misc.legal,us.legal,misc.legal.moderated
Subject: CFV: misc.legal.self-represent
Followup-To: poster
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]>
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
Approved: [email protected]
Expires: 19 May 1998 00:00:00 GMT
Archive-Name: misc.legal.self-represent
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 04:42:21 GMT
Lines: 137
Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:9983 news.groups:279903 alt.child-support:136461 alt.dads-rights.unmoderated:4095 misc.legal:229292 misc.legal.moderated:25311

                     FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
             unmoderated group misc.legal.self-represent

This CFV is to be distributed only by the votetaker.  It is not to be
posted to newsgroups, or mailed to mailing lists or individuals, except by
the votetaker.  Ballots or CFVs provided by anyone else will be invalid.

Newsgroups line:
misc.legal.self-represent	Self-representation in legal proceedings.

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 18 May 1998.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Marvin Vaun Frandsen <[email protected]>
Votetaker: Neil Crellin <[email protected]>

RATIONALE: misc.legal.self-represent

While several newsgroups serve as fora for general legal
discussion, no newsgroup serves as a focused forum for persons
representing themselves in court to exchange information on the
details, mechanics and legal theories necessary to conduct
their cases successfully.  Such discussions, when they occur,
are usually easy to lose and hard to find as they are
inconsistently cross-posed inside of a wide variety of very
busy newsgroups that generally serve other topics.
The presence of many Pro Se topics within these newsgroups
indicates that a community of readers and posters exists which
are concerned with Pro Se issues and which would be well served
by a dedicated newsgroup.

CHARTER: misc.legal.self-represent

This unmoderated newsgroup would be a focused forum for folks
with legal problems and legal experience and information to
share.

Contributions from attorneys, whether exhortations to get a
lawyer or philosophical, or practical comments, would be welcome.

This focused forum would provide a place for folks with legal
problems and legal experience and information to share their
viewpoints, tips, horror stories, heaven stories, favorite
books, references to court rules and case law, recommendations
for attorneys, advice on conduct in court, complaints about
judges, complaints about attorneys, complaints about people
who represent themselves, praises for any of the above,
recommended Internet law sites, recommended approaches to
researching case law, recommendations for legal lists to
subscribe to, and otherwise provide a place for people to engage
in the discussion of a wide spectrum of topics about the perils,
joys, defeats, triumphs, and how-to of representing yourself in
court and in other legal proceedings.

All comments are on a "Caveat Emptor" basis, and would not
constitute legal advice.

Advertisements for legal services would be on-topic.

END CHARTER.

IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: READ THIS BEFORE VOTING

Standard Guidelines for voting apply.  One vote per person, one account
per voter.  Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker.
Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid.  Votes mailed by
WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered to be anonymous votes.

Vote counting is automated.  Failure to follow these directions may
mean that your vote does not get counted.  If you do not receive an
acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker
about the problem.  It's your responsibility to make sure your vote
is registered correctly.  Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of
the most recent valid vote.  Addresses and votes of all voters will
be published in the final voting results post.

The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of
persons who would read a proposed newsgroup.  Soliciting votes from
disinterested parties defeats this purpose.  Please do not distribute
this CFV.  If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted
to news.announce.newgroups.  Distributing pre-marked or otherwise
edited copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud.
When in doubt, ask the votetaker.

HOW TO VOTE:

Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before and after
the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" and "END OF BALLOT" lines.  Don't worry about
the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your
reply inserts.  Please, DO NOT send the entire CFV back to me!

Fill in the ballot as shown below.  Please provide your REAL NAME and
indicate your desired vote in the appropriate locations inside the ballot.

When finished, MAIL the ballot to: < [email protected] >
Just "replying" to this message should work, but check the "To:" line.

Examples of how to properly indicate your vote:

  [ YES     ]  example.yes.vote
  [ NO      ]  example.no.vote
  [ ABSTAIN ]  example.abstention
  [ CANCEL  ]  example.cancellation

DO NOT modify, alter or delete any information in this ballot!
If you do, the voting software will probably reject your ballot.

If these instructions are unclear, please consult the Introduction to
Usenet Voting or the Usenet Voting FAQ at http://www.stanford.edu/~neilc/uvv.

======== BEGINNING OF BALLOT: Delete everything before this line =======
.-----------------------------------------------------------------------
| 1ST CALL FOR VOTES: misc.legal.self-represent
| Official Usenet Voting Ballot <MLS-0001> (Do not remove this line!)
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------
| Please provide your real name, or your vote may be rejected.  Place
| ONLY your name (ie. do NOT include your e-mail address or any other
| information; ONLY your name) after the colon on the following line:

Voter name:

| Insert YES, NO, ABSTAIN, or CANCEL inside the brackets for each
| newsgroup listed below (do not delete the newsgroup name):

 Your Vote   Newsgroup
 ---------   -----------------------------------------------------------
[         ]  misc.legal.self-represent
======== END OF BALLOT: Delete everything after this line ==============


This CFV was created with uvpq 1.0 (Aug 14 1997).
PQ datestamp: 980322

-- 
Voting address: [email protected]

From [email protected] Wed Apr 29 18:11:37 1998
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Neil Crellin <[email protected]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.child-support,alt.dads-rights.unmoderated,alt.lawyers.sue.sue.sue,law.court.federal,misc.legal,us.legal,misc.legal.moderated
Subject: CFV: misc.legal.self-represent
Followup-To: poster
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]>
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
Approved: [email protected]
Expires: 19 May 1998 00:00:00 GMT
Archive-Name: misc.legal.self-represent
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1998 00:30:00 GMT
Lines: 137
Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10005 news.groups:280508 alt.child-support:136781 alt.dads-rights.unmoderated:4273 misc.legal:229561 misc.legal.moderated:25344

                     FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
             unmoderated group misc.legal.self-represent

This CFV is to be distributed only by the votetaker.  It is not to be
posted to newsgroups, or mailed to mailing lists or individuals, except by
the votetaker.  Ballots or CFVs provided by anyone else will be invalid.

Newsgroups line:
misc.legal.self-represent	Self-representation in legal proceedings.

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 18 May 1998.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Marvin Vaun Frandsen <[email protected]>
Votetaker: Neil Crellin <[email protected]>

RATIONALE: misc.legal.self-represent

While several newsgroups serve as fora for general legal
discussion, no newsgroup serves as a focused forum for persons
representing themselves in court to exchange information on the
details, mechanics and legal theories necessary to conduct
their cases successfully.  Such discussions, when they occur,
are usually easy to lose and hard to find as they are
inconsistently cross-posed inside of a wide variety of very
busy newsgroups that generally serve other topics.
The presence of many Pro Se topics within these newsgroups
indicates that a community of readers and posters exists which
are concerned with Pro Se issues and which would be well served
by a dedicated newsgroup.

CHARTER: misc.legal.self-represent

This unmoderated newsgroup would be a focused forum for folks
with legal problems and legal experience and information to
share.

Contributions from attorneys, whether exhortations to get a
lawyer or philosophical, or practical comments, would be welcome.

This focused forum would provide a place for folks with legal
problems and legal experience and information to share their
viewpoints, tips, horror stories, heaven stories, favorite
books, references to court rules and case law, recommendations
for attorneys, advice on conduct in court, complaints about
judges, complaints about attorneys, complaints about people
who represent themselves, praises for any of the above,
recommended Internet law sites, recommended approaches to
researching case law, recommendations for legal lists to
subscribe to, and otherwise provide a place for people to engage
in the discussion of a wide spectrum of topics about the perils,
joys, defeats, triumphs, and how-to of representing yourself in
court and in other legal proceedings.

All comments are on a "Caveat Emptor" basis, and would not
constitute legal advice.

Advertisements for legal services would be on-topic.

END CHARTER.

IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: READ THIS BEFORE VOTING

Standard Guidelines for voting apply.  One vote per person, one account
per voter.  Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker.
Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid.  Votes mailed by
WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered to be anonymous votes.

Vote counting is automated.  Failure to follow these directions may
mean that your vote does not get counted.  If you do not receive an
acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker
about the problem.  It's your responsibility to make sure your vote
is registered correctly.  Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of
the most recent valid vote.  Addresses and votes of all voters will
be published in the final voting results post.

The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of
persons who would read a proposed newsgroup.  Soliciting votes from
disinterested parties defeats this purpose.  Please do not distribute
this CFV.  If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted
to news.announce.newgroups.  Distributing pre-marked or otherwise
edited copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud.
When in doubt, ask the votetaker.

HOW TO VOTE:

Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before and after
the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" and "END OF BALLOT" lines.  Don't worry about
the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your
reply inserts.  Please, DO NOT send the entire CFV back to me!

Fill in the ballot as shown below.  Please provide your REAL NAME and
indicate your desired vote in the appropriate locations inside the ballot.

When finished, MAIL the ballot to: < [email protected] >
Just "replying" to this message should work, but check the "To:" line.

Examples of how to properly indicate your vote:

  [ YES     ]  example.yes.vote
  [ NO      ]  example.no.vote
  [ ABSTAIN ]  example.abstention
  [ CANCEL  ]  example.cancellation

DO NOT modify, alter or delete any information in this ballot!
If you do, the voting software will probably reject your ballot.

If these instructions are unclear, please consult the Introduction to
Usenet Voting or the Usenet Voting FAQ at http://www.stanford.edu/~neilc/uvv.

======== BEGINNING OF BALLOT: Delete everything before this line =======
.-----------------------------------------------------------------------
| 1ST CALL FOR VOTES: misc.legal.self-represent
| Official Usenet Voting Ballot <MLS-0001> (Do not remove this line!)
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------
| Please provide your real name, or your vote may be rejected.  Place
| ONLY your name (ie. do NOT include your e-mail address or any other
| information; ONLY your name) after the colon on the following line:

Voter name:

| Insert YES, NO, ABSTAIN, or CANCEL inside the brackets for each
| newsgroup listed below (do not delete the newsgroup name):

 Your Vote   Newsgroup
 ---------   -----------------------------------------------------------
[         ]  misc.legal.self-represent
======== END OF BALLOT: Delete everything after this line ==============


This CFV was created with uvpq 1.0 (Aug 14 1997).
PQ datestamp: 980322

-- 
Voting address: [email protected]

From [email protected] Thu May  7 16:30:12 1998
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Neil Crellin <[email protected]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.child-support,alt.dads-rights.unmoderated,alt.lawyers.sue.sue.sue,law.court.federal,misc.legal,misc.legal.moderated,us.legal
Subject: 2nd CFV: misc.legal.self-represent
Followup-To: poster
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]>
Supersedes: <[email protected]>
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
Approved: [email protected]
Expires: 19 May 1998 00:00:00 GMT
Archive-Name: misc.legal.self-represent
Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 23:25:40 GMT
Lines: 144
Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10055 news.groups:282035 alt.child-support:137621 alt.dads-rights.unmoderated:4692 misc.legal:230340 misc.legal.moderated:25449

                      LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
             unmoderated group misc.legal.self-represent

This CFV is to be distributed only by the votetaker.  It is not to be
posted to newsgroups, or mailed to mailing lists or individuals, except by
the votetaker.  Ballots or CFVs provided by anyone else will be invalid.

Newsgroups line:
misc.legal.self-represent	Self-representation in legal proceedings.

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 18 May 1998.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Marvin Vaun Frandsen <[email protected]>
Votetaker: Neil Crellin <[email protected]>

RATIONALE: misc.legal.self-represent

While several newsgroups serve as fora for general legal
discussion, no newsgroup serves as a focused forum for persons
representing themselves in court to exchange information on the
details, mechanics and legal theories necessary to conduct
their cases successfully.  Such discussions, when they occur,
are usually easy to lose and hard to find as they are
inconsistently cross-posed inside of a wide variety of very
busy newsgroups that generally serve other topics.
The presence of many Pro Se topics within these newsgroups
indicates that a community of readers and posters exists which
are concerned with Pro Se issues and which would be well served
by a dedicated newsgroup.

CHARTER: misc.legal.self-represent

This unmoderated newsgroup would be a focused forum for folks
with legal problems and legal experience and information to
share.

Contributions from attorneys, whether exhortations to get a
lawyer or philosophical, or practical comments, would be welcome.

This focused forum would provide a place for folks with legal
problems and legal experience and information to share their
viewpoints, tips, horror stories, heaven stories, favorite
books, references to court rules and case law, recommendations
for attorneys, advice on conduct in court, complaints about
judges, complaints about attorneys, complaints about people
who represent themselves, praises for any of the above,
recommended Internet law sites, recommended approaches to
researching case law, recommendations for legal lists to
subscribe to, and otherwise provide a place for people to engage
in the discussion of a wide spectrum of topics about the perils,
joys, defeats, triumphs, and how-to of representing yourself in
court and in other legal proceedings.

All comments are on a "Caveat Emptor" basis, and would not
constitute legal advice.

Advertisements for legal services would be on-topic.

END CHARTER.

IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: READ THIS BEFORE VOTING

Standard Guidelines for voting apply.  One vote per person, one account
per voter.  Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker.
Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid.  Votes mailed by
WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered to be anonymous votes.

Vote counting is automated.  Failure to follow these directions may
mean that your vote does not get counted.  If you do not receive an
acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker
about the problem.  It's your responsibility to make sure your vote
is registered correctly.  Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of
the most recent valid vote.  Addresses and votes of all voters will
be published in the final voting results post.

The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of
persons who would read a proposed newsgroup.  Soliciting votes from
disinterested parties defeats this purpose.  Please do not distribute
this CFV.  If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted
to news.announce.newgroups.  Distributing pre-marked or otherwise
edited copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud.
When in doubt, ask the votetaker.

HOW TO VOTE:

Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before and after
the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" and "END OF BALLOT" lines.  Don't worry about
the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your
reply inserts.  Please, DO NOT send the entire CFV back to me!

Fill in the ballot as shown below.  Please provide your REAL NAME and
indicate your desired vote in the appropriate locations inside the ballot.

When finished, MAIL the ballot to: < [email protected] >
Just "replying" to this message should work, but check the "To:" line.

Examples of how to properly indicate your vote:

  [ YES     ]  example.yes.vote
  [ NO      ]  example.no.vote
  [ ABSTAIN ]  example.abstention
  [ CANCEL  ]  example.cancellation

DO NOT modify, alter or delete any information in this ballot!
If you do, the voting software will probably reject your ballot.

If these instructions are unclear, please consult the Introduction to
Usenet Voting or the Usenet Voting FAQ at http://www.stanford.edu/~neilc/uvv.

======== BEGINNING OF BALLOT: Delete everything before this line =======
.-----------------------------------------------------------------------
| 2ND CALL FOR VOTES: misc.legal.self-represent
| Official Usenet Voting Ballot <MLS-0002> (Do not remove this line!)
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------
| Please provide your real name, or your vote may be rejected.  Place
| ONLY your name (ie. do NOT include your e-mail address or any other
| information; ONLY your name) after the colon on the following line:

Voter name:

| Insert YES, NO, ABSTAIN, or CANCEL inside the brackets for each
| newsgroup listed below (do not delete the newsgroup name):

 Your Vote   Newsgroup
 ---------   -----------------------------------------------------------
[         ]  misc.legal.self-represent

======== END OF BALLOT: Delete everything after this line ==============


misc.legal.self-represent Bounce List - Please contact me about your vote
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[email protected]                                   Benjamin Combee
[email protected]                                                              Willem
[email protected]                                                     Themis

This CFV was created with uvpq 1.0 (Aug 14 1997).
PQ datestamp: 980322

-- 
Voting address: [email protected]

From [email protected] Mon May 18 20:30:36 1998
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Neil Crellin <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.child-support,alt.dads-rights.unmoderated,alt.lawyers.sue.sue.sue,law.court.federal,misc.legal,misc.legal.moderated,us.legal
Subject: RESULT: misc.legal.self-represent fails 64:34
Followup-To: news.groups
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]>
Supersedes: <[email protected]>
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
Approved: [email protected]
Archive-Name: misc.legal.self-represent
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 03:18:47 GMT
Lines: 200
Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10091 news.groups:283745 alt.child-support:139123 alt.dads-rights.unmoderated:5365 misc.legal:231633 misc.legal.moderated:25678

                                RESULT
       unmoderated group misc.legal.self-represent fails 64:34

There were 64 YES votes and 34 NO votes, for a total of 98 valid
votes.  There were 3 abstentions and 5 invalid ballots.

For a group to pass, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid
(YES and NO) votes.  There must also be at least 100 more YES votes
than NO votes.

A five day discussion period follows this announcement.  Unless
serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the group
may not be voted on again for six months.

Newsgroups line:
misc.legal.self-represent	Self-representation in legal proceedings.

The voting period closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 18 May 1998.

This vote was conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Marvin Vaun Frandsen <[email protected]>
Votetaker: Neil Crellin <[email protected]>

RATIONALE: misc.legal.self-represent

While several newsgroups serve as fora for general legal
discussion, no newsgroup serves as a focused forum for persons
representing themselves in court to exchange information on the
details, mechanics and legal theories necessary to conduct
their cases successfully.  Such discussions, when they occur,
are usually easy to lose and hard to find as they are
inconsistently cross-posed inside of a wide variety of very
busy newsgroups that generally serve other topics.
The presence of many Pro Se topics within these newsgroups
indicates that a community of readers and posters exists which
are concerned with Pro Se issues and which would be well served
by a dedicated newsgroup.

CHARTER: misc.legal.self-represent

This unmoderated newsgroup would be a focused forum for folks
with legal problems and legal experience and information to
share.

Contributions from attorneys, whether exhortations to get a
lawyer or philosophical, or practical comments, would be welcome.

This focused forum would provide a place for folks with legal
problems and legal experience and information to share their
viewpoints, tips, horror stories, heaven stories, favorite
books, references to court rules and case law, recommendations
for attorneys, advice on conduct in court, complaints about
judges, complaints about attorneys, complaints about people
who represent themselves, praises for any of the above,
recommended Internet law sites, recommended approaches to
researching case law, recommendations for legal lists to
subscribe to, and otherwise provide a place for people to engage
in the discussion of a wide spectrum of topics about the perils,
joys, defeats, triumphs, and how-to of representing yourself in
court and in other legal proceedings.

All comments are on a "Caveat Emptor" basis, and would not
constitute legal advice.

Advertisements for legal services would be on-topic.

END CHARTER.



misc.legal.self-represent Final Voter list

Voted YES
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blang56 [at] aol.com                                 William Walston (blang56)
GBrown1271 [at] aol.com                                             Greg Brown
JESHRADER [at] aol.com                                           James Shrader
SHedr24734 [at] aol.com                                          Scott Hedrick
ZachNorth [at] aol.com                                              Zach North
cdt [at] audiophile.com                                         Chris Trumbore
jaed [at] best.com                                         Jeanne A. E. DeVoto
jdg [at] but-i-dont-like-spam.boxmail.com                      John David Galt
booda [at] datasync.com                                        Martin H. Booda
lcs [at] zk3.dec.com                                               Larry Smith
guymacon [at] deltanet.com                   [email protected] (Guy Macon)
gkerley [at] execpc.com                                          Gillam Kerley
biow [at] ezmort.com                                          Christopher Biow
skquinn [at] gcwp.com                                           Shawn K. Quinn
curtis_whalen+usenet [at] geocities.com                 Curtis [Jewell] Whalen
bjv [at] herbison.com                                            B.J. Herbison
dougob [at] javanet.com                                           Doug O'Brien
rem [at] jetlag.com                                           Ross E. Mitchell
chris [at] kzim.com                                Christopher Robin Zimmerman
frandsen [at] mindspring.com                              Marvin Vaun Frandsen
aahz [at] netcom.com                                               Aahz Maruch
rlcarr [at] animato.pn.com                                       Rich Carreiro
ksebek [at] pobox.com                                      Karel William Sebek
mra [at] pobox.com                                                 Mark Atwood
jdmckim [at] primenet.com                                           J.D. McKim
eshunter [at] sprynet.com                                     Elizabeth Hunter
stamper [at] stamper.com                                         Chris Stamper
sam [at] surgimedics.com                                Sam Hayes Merritt, III
pan [at] syix.com                                                          Pan
arielle [at] taronga.com                                    Stephanie da Silva
tony [at] tuguys.com                                                Tony Boone
ssantoro [at] voicetek.com                                     Stefano Santoro
cburian [at] ll.mit.edu                                     Christopher Burian
tarka [at] earth.oscs.montana.edu                                   Mark Tarka
rufinus [at] mbe.ece.wisc.edu                                        J Rufinus
etberry [at] worldnet.att.net                                       Eric Berry
gryphons [at] worldnet.att.net                             Charles H. Clements
garnet [at] aufait.net                                           Garnet Harris
macent [at] centuryinter.net                               Cynthia Charleville
raynews [at] community.net                                      Raymond Streib
biojim [at] concentric.net                                          Jimmy Bray
fpilot [at] directcon.net                                   Frederick L. Pilot
nickw [at] door.net                                              Nick Williams
msoysal [at] mistik.express.net                            Mustafa Soysal MS57
ellis [at] ftel.net                                                 Rick Ellis
baird [at] gate.net                                             Baird Stafford
paratrooper [at] gulfaccess.net                                    Mike Straub
dio4g [at] iitek.net                                                 Dan Holly
tc [at] Mcs.Net                                                    Thomas Cuny
grady [at] mdc.net                                                  Dick Grady
rsteers [at] ns.net                                                 Ron Steers
wakelyn [at] pinn.net                                             N.T. Wakelyn
mandyw [at] ptd.net                                            Amanda Williams
mkc [at] sky.net                                                  Mike Coleman
randyg [at] slip.net                                             Randy Gardner
curryco [at] softcom.net                                    Virginia A. Lathan
luriep [at] tiac.net                                                pete lurie
hfung [at] lerami.lerctr.org                                         Hank Fung
djb [at] scream.org                                               Dan Birchall
eddie [at] opcab.demon.co.uk                                      Eddie Madden
Alessio [at] valdena.demon.co.uk                              Alessio Tiramani
philh [at] vision25.demon.co.uk                                    Philip Hunt
nir [at] easynet.co.uk                                            Nir Leuchter
erigbadj [at] postmaster.co.uk                                     Eric Badger

Voted NO
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jasmine [at] fl.net.au                                          Jasmine Taylor
chriseb [at] nortel.ca                                          Chris Ebenezer
yan [at] storm.ca                                            Yves Bellefeuille
calabres [at] chass.utoronto.ca                                    T.Calabrese
valeriepg [at] aol.com                                          Valerie Romano
jrm [at] best.com                                        John R. MacWilliamson
stainles [at] bga.com                                             Dwight Brown
eridani [at] databasix.com                                             Belinda
Tauger.Paul [at] dorseylaw.com                                     Paul Tauger
dan [at] evans-legal.com                                       Daniel B. Evans
garlic [at] garlic.com                                                Roy Enge
jenoff [at] interlog.com                                          Allan Jenoff
cipher [at] mindspring.com                                              Cipher
olav [at] viking.mv.com                                        Olav Nieuwejaar
eck [at] panix.com                                             Mark Eckenwiler
steiners [at] primenet.com                                       Jason Steiner
kpascoe [at] sprintmail.com                                       Kathy Pascoe
David.Robinson [at] Eng.Sun.COM                                 David Robinson
crenaud [at] wwa.com                                              Chuck Renaud
naddy [at] mips.rhein-neckar.de                           Christian Weisgerber
k95dl01 [at] cc.kzoo.edu                                            Dan Lawson
y-pisan [at] nwu.edu                                               Yusuf Pisan
jkramer1 [at] swarthmore.edu                                     Joshua Kramer
rick [at] bcm.tmc.edu                                           Richard Miller
gbacon [at] pluto.cs.uah.edu                                        Greg Bacon
bstock [at] ucla.edu                                                 Bob Stock
cstone [at] math.unm.edu                                           Chris Stone
edwardp [at] ameritech.net                                   Edward P. Dittmer
wrg [at] arkansas.net                                             W.R. Giacona
pbern7 [at] earthlink.net                                       Paul Bernhardt
brcpa [at] gte.net                                                 Barry Rubin
marquez [at] pacbell.net                                         Aaron Marquez
simon [at] darkmere.gen.nz                                         Simon Lyall
david [at] home.net.nz                                            David Farrar

Abstained
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BruceWMcC [at] aol.com                                     Bruce W. McCullough
pgowder [at] law.harvard.edu                                       Paul Gowder
andrew [at] erlenstar.demon.co.uk                                Andrew Gierth

Invalid votes
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streetjust [at] aol.com                                             Streetjust
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postmaster [at] ATE-Solutions.com                                   JIM COOPER
    ! Ineligible address
jblake [at] eskimo.com                                          Jonathon Blake
    ! Ineligible address
Themis [at] email.msn.com                                               Themis
    ! Undeliverable address
fghg [at] str.ki                                                        Willem
    ! Undeliverable address


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