From [email protected] Sat Apr 4 02:23:05 1992 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.windows.ms,comp.windows.ms.programmer From: [email protected] (Tom Haapanen) Subject: RFD: comp.windows.ms reorganization Followup-To: news.groups Organization: Waterloo Engineering Software Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1992 17:35:47 GMT This reorganization proposal includes the moving of the comp.windows.ms hierarchy from the current comp.windows subtree to the comp.os subtree, to the comp.os.windows hierarchy. Further, this proposal includes six new newsgroups designed to reduce the volume of traffic in the existing groups in the windows hierarchy to manageable levels, as well as the renaming of the two existing general groups to .misc groups for consistency with the rest of the comp hierarchy. The current level of traffic is approaching 1500 articles/month in the main group, and is expected to increase with the impending release of Windows 3.1. These two proposals are first summarized and then detailed below, including their rationales. The actual voting will include separate votes for each group, and for the hierarchy change. A summary of recent traffic (from the latest arbitron reports) is also included after the proposals. The moderator for the proposed comp.os.windows.announce has not yet been selected. If you wish to volunteer, please contact [email protected]. Please post comments to news.groups and comp.windows.ms only, or email them to [email protected]. The discussion period will extend until 3 April, 1992. ---------------------------------------- SUMMARY A. MOVE comp.windows.ms TO comp.os.windows B1. RENAME comp.windows.ms TO comp.os.windows.misc B2. RENAME comp.windows.ms.programmer TO comp.os.windows.programmer.misc B3. CREATE comp.os.windows.announce * B4. CREATE comp.os.windows.apps B5. CREATE comp.os.windows.{setup|config} ** B6. CREATE comp.os.windows.{advocacy|discuss} ** B7. CREATE comp.os.windows.programmer.tools B8. CREATE comp.os.windows.programmer.win32 * moderator not yet selected ** final group names to be determined during discussion period ---------------------------------------- A. MOVE comp.windows.ms TO comp.os.windows "An operating system provides the means for the proper use of [hardware, software and data] in the operation of the computer system. Like a government, the operating system performs no useful function by itself. It simply provides an environment within which other programs can do useful work." [Operating System Concepts, Silverberg] For all the debate about Windows versions deserving the title "Operating System", it should not be doubted that Windows is intended to be one. No one would doubt that Windows NT is a complete operating system, and upon closer examination, Windows 3.0 Enhanced mode should be recognised as a complete operating system which lacks only a native file system. Windows Enhanced mode fields all hardware access, and performs all process control and memory management functions. Sometimes Windows passes on virtual I/O requests to the virtualised MS-DOS which is encapsulated by Windows, in order that MS-Dos can use 'old' device drivers, TSRs and applications, and sometimes Windows passes on physical I/O requests to its own native device driver model known as VxDs or "Virtual Device Drivers". It is not correct to say that Windows runs "on top of" MS-Dos, rather, once Windows is loaded Windows runs on top of the hardware, encapsulates MS-DOS, and uses it for backward compatibility. Windows NT does not use any part of MS-DOS at any time to perform its functions. If comp.os.cpm & comp.os.msdos are deserving of their place in the hierarchy, then comp.os.windows is more deserving. Windows competes with OS/2, AT&T Unix, Solaris, NextStep, Univell, OSF/1 and Macintosh for the attention of developers and customers. Windows NT clearly belongs in the comp.os hierarchy, and it would be wrong to separate comp.os.windows.nt and comp.windows.ms, since they have a common API, a common user interface and a common set of applications. Now is the time to move comp.windows.ms to comp.os.windows, and to discuss relevant issues in the relevant place. ---------------------------------------- B. CREATE and/or RENAME groups as shown below: PROPOSED NAME: comp.os.windows.announce PROPOSED STATUS: Moderated. PROPOSED CHARTER: This moderated newsgroup is intended for all announcements relating to the Windows environment. This may include, but is not limited to, Windows- based software, Windows-compatible hardware and any Windows-related conferences and other events. No discussion will be permitted in this group. PROPOSED NAME: comp.os.windows.apps PROPOSED STATUS: Unmoderated. PROPOSED CHARTER: This group is intended for discussions about the applications available for running in the Microsoft Windows environment. PROPOSED NAME: comp.os.windows.{setup|config} PROPOSED STATUS: Unmoderated. PROPOSED CHARTER: This group is intended for discussions and questions about the Windows setup and installation process, hardware compatability issues as well as general hardware use and performance issues. PROPOSED NAME: comp.os.windows.{advocacy|discuss} PROPOSED STATUS: Unmoderated. PROPOSED CHARTER: This group is intended for general-level discussions about Windows, and especially rumors, speculation, unannounced products, pricing, support, upgrade poli- cies, and comparisons to other operating systems. PROPOSED NAME: comp.os.windows.misc (RENAMED) PROPOSED STATUS: Unmoderated. PROPOSED CHARTER: This group is intended for all other discussion and questions about specific Windows issues, such as topics relating to Program and File Managers and use of fonts, except issues covered by comp.os.windows.advocacy. PROPOSED NAME: comp.os.windows.programmer.tools PROPOSED STATUS: Unmoderated. PROPOSED CHARTER: This group is intended for discussion and questions about Windows development tools. This includes topics such as compiler selection, help compiler, CASE tools, integrated environments and any tool-specific issues (such as using DLLs from Visual Basic). PROPOSED NAME: comp.os.windows.programmer.win32 PROPOSED STATUS: Unmoderated. PROPOSED CHARTER: This group is intended for discussion and questions about the Win32 32-bit Windows API (application prog- ramming interface), including Windows NT and Win32s. PROPOSED NAME: comp.os.windows.programmer.misc (RENAMED) PROPOSED STATUS: Unmoderated. PROPOSED CHARTER: This group is intended for all other discussion and questions about specific Windows development issues, such as DLLs, DDE, OLE, handles, memory management, common dialogs and other relevant issues. ---------------------------------------- ARBITRON STATISTICS FOR comp.windows.ms.* +-- Estimated total number of people who read the group, worldwide. | +-- Actual number of readers in sampled population | | +-- Propagation: how many sites receive this group at all | | | +-- Recent traffic (messages per month) | | | | +-- Recent traffic (kilobytes per month) | | | | | +-- Crossposting percentage | | | | | | +-- Cost ratio: $US/month/rdr | | | | | | | +-- Share: % of newsreaders | | | | | | | | who read this group. V V V V V V V V 48 75000 1709 87% 1554 2388.0 6% 0.06 4.0% comp.windows.ms 157 45000 1021 82% 820 1176.0 7% 0.04 2.4% comp.windows.ms.programmer -- [ \tom haapanen "i don't even know what street canada is on" -- al capone ] [ [email protected] "trust the programmer" -- ansi c standard ] [ waterloo engineering software "to thine own self be true" -- hamlet ] From [email protected] Sun Apr 19 22:00:42 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2220 news.groups:48788 comp.windows.ms:29711 comp.windows.ms.programmer:10793 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.windows.ms,comp.windows.ms.programmer Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Tom Haapanen) Subject: CFV: comp.windows.ms reorganization Message-ID: <[email protected]> Followup-To: poster Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: Waterloo Engineering Software Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 18:16:09 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 179 CALL FOR VOTES -------------- comp.windows.ms reorganization This proposal includes the moving of the comp.windows.ms hierarchy from the current comp.windows subtree to the comp.os subtree, to comp.os.ms-windows. Further, this proposal includes six new newsgroups designed to reduce the volume of traffic in the existing groups in the windows hierarchy to manageable levels, as well as the renaming of the two existing general groups to .misc groups for consistency with the rest of the comp hierarchy. The current level of traffic is approaching 2000 messages/month in the main group, and is expected to increase with the impending release of Windows 3.1. The current Arbitron-estimated readership is 95,000. The proposed moderator for the Windows hierarchy .announce group is Todd Derr ([email protected]). This Call for Votes consists of two parts: first, the ballot form you need to fill out to vote for or against the groups, and second, a detailed explanation of the proposed groups. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~cut here~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~cut here~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ HOW TO VOTE: For each of the following proposals, enter YES or NO after the colon at the end of the line (or leave blank if you do not wish to express a preference). Return the completed ballot to [email protected], to be received by 11:59 pm, May 3, 1992. Received votes will be ackowledged en masse in a posting to news.announce.newgroups. PART 1: MOVE comp.windows.ms TO comp.os.ms-windows : PART 2: these group names are relative to either comp.os.ms-windows or to comp.windows.ms, depending on the result of the vote in PART 1. RENAME base group to .misc : RENAME base .programmer group to .programmer.misc : CREATE new group .advocacy : CREATE new group .announce (moderated) : CREATE new group .apps : CREATE new group .setup : CREATE new group .programmer.tools : CREATE new group .programmer.win32 : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~cut here~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~cut here~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A. MOVE comp.windows.ms TO comp.os.ms-windows "An operating system provides the means for the proper use of [hardware, software and data] in the operation of the computer system. Like a government, the operating system performs no useful function by itself. It simply provides an environment within which other programs can do useful work." [_Operating_System_Concepts_, Peterson and Silberschatz] For all the debate about Windows versions deserving the title "Operating System", it should not be doubted that Windows is intended to be one. No one would doubt that Windows NT is a complete operating system, and upon closer examination, Windows 3.0 Enhanced mode should be recognised as a complete operating system which lacks only a native file system. Windows Enhanced mode fields all hardware access, and performs all process control and memory management functions. Sometimes Windows passes on virtual I/O requests to the virtualised MS-DOS which is encapsulated by Windows, in order that MS-Dos can use 'old' device drivers, TSRs and applications, and sometimes Windows passes on physical I/O requests to its own native device driver model known as VxDs or "Virtual Device Drivers". It is not correct to say that Windows runs "on top of" MS-Dos, rather, once Windows is loaded Windows runs on top of the hardware, encapsulates MS-DOS, and uses it for backward compatibility. Windows NT does not use any part of MS-DOS at any time to perform its functions. If comp.os.cpm & comp.os.msdos are deserving of their place in the hierarchy, then comp.os.windows is more deserving. Windows competes with OS/2, AT&T Unix, Solaris, NextStep, Univell, OSF/1 and Macintosh for the attention of developers and customers. Windows NT clearly belongs in the comp.os hierarchy, and it would be wrong to separate comp.os.windows.nt and comp.windows.ms, since they have a common API, a common user interface and a common set of applications. Finally, whether or not you agree that Windows is an operating system, millions of Windows users do believe it. Placing the hierarchy at comp.os.ms-windows will make it easier for these users to find the correct newsgroup. Now is the time to move comp.windows.ms to comp.os.ms-windows, and to discuss relevant issues in the relevant place. ---------------------------------------- B. CREATE and/or RENAME groups as shown below: {base-group-name} is either comp.windows.ms or comp.os.ms-windows, depending on the result of the vote on moving to the comp.os hierarchy. PROPOSED NAME: {base-group-name}.announce PROPOSED STATUS: Moderated by Todd DerrPROPOSED CHARTER: This moderated newsgroup is intended for all announcements relating to the Windows environment. This may include, but is not limited to, Windows software products, Windows-compatible hardware and any Windows-related conferences and other events. PROPOSED NAME: {base-group-name}.apps PROPOSED STATUS: Unmoderated. PROPOSED CHARTER: This group is intended for discussions about the applications available for running in the Microsoft Windows environment. PROPOSED NAME: {base-group-name}.setup PROPOSED STATUS: Unmoderated. PROPOSED CHARTER: This group is intended for discussions and questions about the Windows setup and installation process, hardware compatability issues as well as general hardware use and performance issues. PROPOSED NAME: {base-group-name}.advocacy PROPOSED STATUS: Unmoderated. PROPOSED CHARTER: This group is intended for general-level discussions about Windows, and especially rumors, speculation, unannounced products, pricing, support, upgrade poli- cies, and comparisons to other operating systems. PROPOSED NAME: {base-group-name}.misc (RENAMED) PROPOSED STATUS: Unmoderated. PROPOSED CHARTER: This group is intended for all other discussion and questions about specific Windows issues, such as topics relating to Program and File Managers and use of fonts, except issues covered by {base-group-name}.advocacy. PROPOSED NAME: {base-group-name}.programmer.tools PROPOSED STATUS: Unmoderated. PROPOSED CHARTER: This group is intended for discussion and questions about Windows development tools. This includes topics such as compiler selection, help compiler, CASE tools, integrated environments and any tool-specific issues (such as using DLLs from Visual Basic). PROPOSED NAME: {base-group-name}.programmer.win32 PROPOSED STATUS: Unmoderated. PROPOSED CHARTER: This group is intended for discussion and questions about the Win32 32-bit Windows API (application prog- ramming interface), including Windows NT and Win32s. PROPOSED NAME: {base-group-name}.programmer.misc (RENAMED) PROPOSED STATUS: Unmoderated. PROPOSED CHARTER: This group is intended for all other discussion and questions about specific Windows development issues, such as DLLs, DDE, OLE, handles, memory management, common dialogs and other relevant issues. ---------------------------------------- ARBITRON STATISTICS FOR comp.windows.ms.* +-- Estimated total number of people who read the group, worldwide. | +-- Actual number of readers in sampled population | | +-- Propagation: how many sites receive this group at all | | | +-- Recent traffic (messages per month) | | | | +-- Recent traffic (kilobytes per month) | | | | | +-- Crossposting percentage | | | | | | +-- Cost ratio: $US/month/rdr | | | | | | | +-- Share: % of newsreaders | | | | | | | | who read this group. V V V V V V V V Last month (March): 31 95000 1940 86% 1850 2852.2 12% 0.05 4.5% comp.windows.ms 142 54787+ 1090 82% 680 1006.6 4% 0.03 2.5% comp.windows.ms.programmer Previous month (February): 48 75000 1709 87% 1554 2388.0 6% 0.06 4.0% comp.windows.ms 157 45000 1021 82% 820 1176.0 7% 0.04 2.4% comp.windows.ms.programmer -- [ \tom haapanen "i don't even know what street canada is on" -- al capone ] [ [email protected] "trust the programmer" -- ansi c standard ] [ waterloo engineering software "to thine own self be true" -- polonius ] From [email protected] Mon Apr 20 12:46:45 1992 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.windows.ms,comp.windows.ms.programmer,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.msdos.misc From: [email protected] (The vote taker) Subject: 2nd CFV: comp.windows.ms reorganization Followup-To: poster Organization: Waterloo Engineering Software Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1992 14:53:00 GMT 2nd CALL FOR VOTES ------------------ comp.windows.ms reorganization This proposal includes the moving of the comp.windows.ms hierarchy from the current comp.windows subtree to the comp.os subtree, to comp.os.ms-windows. Further, this proposal includes six new newsgroups designed to reduce the volume of traffic in the existing groups in the windows hierarchy to manageable levels, as well as the renaming of the two existing general groups to .misc groups for consistency with the rest of the comp hierarchy. The current level of traffic is approaching 2000 messages/month in the main group, and is expected to increase with the impending release of Windows 3.1. The current Arbitron-estimated readership is 95,000. The proposed moderator for the Windows hierarchy .announce group is Todd Derr ([email protected]). This Call for Votes consists of two parts: first, the ballot form you need to fill out to vote for or against the groups, and second, a detailed explanation of the proposed groups. NOTE: Votes received to date have been acknowledged individually by mail. If you have voted and haven't received an acknowledgement message, please contact [email protected]. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~cut here~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~cut here~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ HOW TO VOTE: For each of the following proposals, enter YES or NO after the colon at the end of the line (or leave blank if you do not wish to express a preference). Return the completed ballot to [email protected], to be received by 11:59 pm, May 3, 1992. Received votes will be acknowledged individually by mail, and also in the results, which will be posted to news.announce.newgroups. PART 1: MOVE comp.windows.ms TO comp.os.ms-windows : PART 2: these group names are relative to either comp.os.ms-windows or to comp.windows.ms, depending on the result of the vote in PART 1. RENAME base group to .misc : RENAME base .programmer group to .programmer.misc : CREATE new group .advocacy : CREATE new group .announce (moderated) : CREATE new group .apps : CREATE new group .setup : CREATE new group .programmer.tools : CREATE new group .programmer.win32 : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~cut here~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~cut here~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A. MOVE comp.windows.ms TO comp.os.ms-windows "An operating system provides the means for the proper use of [hardware, software and data] in the operation of the computer system. Like a government, the operating system performs no useful function by itself. It simply provides an environment within which other programs can do useful work." [_Operating_System_Concepts_, Peterson and Silberschatz] For all the debate about Windows versions deserving the title "Operating System", it should not be doubted that Windows is intended to be one. No one would doubt that Windows NT is a complete operating system, and upon closer examination, Windows 3.0 Enhanced mode should be recognised as a complete operating system which lacks only a native file system. Windows Enhanced mode fields all hardware access, and performs all process control and memory management functions. Sometimes Windows passes on virtual I/O requests to the virtualised MS-DOS which is encapsulated by Windows, in order that MS-Dos can use 'old' device drivers, TSRs and applications, and sometimes Windows passes on physical I/O requests to its own native device driver model known as VxDs or "Virtual Device Drivers". It is not correct to say that Windows runs "on top of" MS-Dos, rather, once Windows is loaded Windows runs on top of the hardware, encapsulates MS-DOS, and uses it for backward compatibility. Windows NT does not use any part of MS-DOS at any time to perform its functions. If comp.os.cpm & comp.os.msdos are deserving of their place in the hierarchy, then comp.os.windows is more deserving. Windows competes with OS/2, AT&T Unix, Solaris, NextStep, Univell, OSF/1 and Macintosh for the attention of developers and customers. Windows NT clearly belongs in the comp.os hierarchy, and it would be wrong to separate comp.os.windows.nt and comp.windows.ms, since they have a common API, a common user interface and a common set of applications. Finally, whether or not you agree that Windows is an operating system, millions of Windows users do believe it. Placing the hierarchy at comp.os.ms-windows will make it easier for these users to find the correct newsgroup. Now is the time to move comp.windows.ms to comp.os.ms-windows, and to discuss relevant issues in the relevant place. ---------------------------------------- B. CREATE and/or RENAME groups as shown below: {base-group-name} is either comp.windows.ms or comp.os.ms-windows, depending on the result of the vote on moving to the comp.os hierarchy. PROPOSED NAME: {base-group-name}.announce PROPOSED STATUS: Moderated by Todd Derr PROPOSED CHARTER: This moderated newsgroup is intended for all announcements relating to the Windows environment. This may include, but is not limited to, Windows software products, Windows-compatible hardware and any Windows-related conferences and other events. PROPOSED NAME: {base-group-name}.apps PROPOSED STATUS: Unmoderated. PROPOSED CHARTER: This group is intended for discussions about the applications available for running in the Microsoft Windows environment. PROPOSED NAME: {base-group-name}.setup PROPOSED STATUS: Unmoderated. PROPOSED CHARTER: This group is intended for discussions and questions about the Windows setup and installation process, hardware compatability issues as well as general hardware use and performance issues. PROPOSED NAME: {base-group-name}.advocacy PROPOSED STATUS: Unmoderated. PROPOSED CHARTER: This group is intended for general-level discussions about Windows, and especially rumors, speculation, unannounced products, pricing, support, upgrade poli- cies, and comparisons to other operating systems. PROPOSED NAME: {base-group-name}.misc (RENAMED) PROPOSED STATUS: Unmoderated. PROPOSED CHARTER: This group is intended for all other discussion and questions about specific Windows issues, such as topics relating to Program and File Managers and use of fonts, except issues covered by {base-group-name}.advocacy. PROPOSED NAME: {base-group-name}.programmer.tools PROPOSED STATUS: Unmoderated. PROPOSED CHARTER: This group is intended for discussion and questions about Windows development tools. This includes topics such as compiler selection, help compiler, CASE tools, integrated environments and any tool-specific issues (such as using DLLs from Visual Basic). PROPOSED NAME: {base-group-name}.programmer.win32 PROPOSED STATUS: Unmoderated. PROPOSED CHARTER: This group is intended for discussion and questions about the Win32 32-bit Windows API (application prog- ramming interface), including Windows NT and Win32s. PROPOSED NAME: {base-group-name}.programmer.misc (RENAMED) PROPOSED STATUS: Unmoderated. PROPOSED CHARTER: This group is intended for all other discussion and questions about specific Windows development issues, such as DLLs, DDE, OLE, handles, memory management, common dialogs and other relevant issues. ---------------------------------------- ARBITRON STATISTICS FOR comp.windows.ms.* +-- Estimated total number of people who read the group, worldwide. | +-- Actual number of readers in sampled population | | +-- Propagation: how many sites receive this group at all | | | +-- Recent traffic (messages per month) | | | | +-- Recent traffic (kilobytes per month) | | | | | +-- Crossposting percentage | | | | | | +-- Cost ratio: $US/month/rdr | | | | | | | +-- Share: % of newsreaders | | | | | | | | who read this group. V V V V V V V V Last month (March): 31 95000 1940 86% 1850 2852.2 12% 0.05 4.5% comp.windows.ms 142 54787+ 1090 82% 680 1006.6 4% 0.03 2.5% comp.windows.ms.programmer Previous month (February): 48 75000 1709 87% 1554 2388.0 6% 0.06 4.0% comp.windows.ms 157 45000 1021 82% 820 1176.0 7% 0.04 2.4% comp.windows.ms.programmer -- [ \tom haapanen "i don't even know what street canada is on" -- al capone ] [ [email protected] "trust the programmer" -- ansi c standard ] [ waterloo engineering software "to thine own self be true" -- polonius ] From [email protected] Tue May 5 12:07:19 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2292 news.groups:50335 comp.windows.ms:32155 comp.windows.ms.programmer:11379 comp.os.os2.misc:18960 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.windows.ms,comp.windows.ms.programmer,comp.os.os2.misc Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (The vote taker) Subject: RESULT: comp.windows.ms reorganization passes Message-ID: <[email protected]> Followup-To: news.groups Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Organization: Waterloo Engineering Software Date: Tue, 5 May 1992 15:55:00 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 411 This article contains the results of the comp.windows.ms reorganization vote. Voting was closed at 11:59 pm on May 3, 1992. A total of 324 votes (plus several duplicates) were received; no votes were disqualified. SUMMARY ------- The following is a summary of the votes for each proposal: Total votes: 324 Proposal Group Yes No Margin Pct ---------------------------------------------------------------------- MOVE comp.windows.ms to comp.os.ms-windows 226 82 144 73% RENAME base group to .misc 276 36 240 88% RENAME .programmer group to .programmer.misc 229 72 157 76% CREATE new group .advocacy 230 70 160 77% CREATE new group .announce 285 27 258 91% CREATE new group .apps 284 28 256 91% CREATE new group .setup 263 46 219 85% CREATE new group .programmer.tools 239 64 175 79% CREATE new group .programmer.win32 224 73 151 75% As shown, all proposals meet the two voting criteria in the guidelines, (YES - NO > 100) and (YES > 2 * NO). Individual votes are listed at the end of this article. Of the total 324 voters, 34 were from Microsoft. Although this is a relatively high number, it is only about 10% of the total votes. In addition, all proposals would have passed even if the Microsoft votes were not to be counted. CHARTERS -------- comp.os.ms-windows.announce (MODERATED) announcements relating to the Windows environment. This may include, but is not limited to, Windows software products, Windows-compatible hardware and any Windows-related conferences and other events. *** Moderated by Todd Derr *** comp.os.ms-windows.apps This group is intended for discussions about the applications available for running in the Microsoft Windows environment. comp.os.ms-windows.setup This group is intended for discussions and questions about the Windows setup and installation process, hardware compatability issues as well as general hardware use and performance issues. comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy This group is intended for general-level discussions about Windows, and especially rumors, speculation, unannounced products, pricing, upgrade policies, and comparisons to other operating systems. comp.os.ms-windows.misc (RENAMED from comp.windows.ms) This group is intended for all other discussion and questions about specific Windows issues, such as topics relating to Program and File Managers and use of fonts, except issues covered by comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy. comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools This group is intended for discussion and questions about Windows development tools. This includes topics such as compiler selection, help compiler, CASE tools, integrated environments and any tool- specific issues (such as using DLLs from Visual Basic). comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32 This group is intended for discussion and questions about the Win32 32-bit Windows API (application programming interface), including Windows NT and Win32s. comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc (RENAMED from comp.windows.ms.programmer) This group is intended for all other discussion and questions about specific Windows development issues, such as DLLs, DDE, OLE, handles, memory management, common dialogs and other relevant issues. VOTER LISTING ------------- The vote listing shows a Y or N for each of the nine categories (see SUMMARY for the order of categories), or '-' for categories where the voter did not indicate a preference. Aaron Bregel Y N N Y Y Y Y N Y Aaron Wallace Y N N Y Y Y Y N Y Adam Walkees Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Ade Barkah N N N N N N N N N Adrian Goldman N - - - - - - - - Ake Knutsson Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Aki Saari Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Alan Walford Y N N Y N Y Y N Y Alex Telford Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Alexander Kasman Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Alistair Banks Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Alonzo Gariepy Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y [email protected] Y Y Y N Y Y N N Y [email protected] Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Andrei L. Davydov Y Y N Y Y Y Y N Y Andrew Boyko N Y Y N Y Y Y Y N Andrew BW Colfelt Y N N Y Y Y Y Y Y Andrew Schouten Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Andrew Walters Y N - N Y N N - - [email protected] Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Ashok Aiyar Y N N Y Y Y Y Y N Ben Combee Y Y Y N Y Y Y Y Y Bengt Larsson Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Benjamin Fan Y Y N N Y N N N N Beth Schwindt Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Bill McCormick Y Y Y Y Y Y - Y Y [email protected] - Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y [email protected] Y Y Y Y N Y Y Y Y Bob Grudem Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Bob Rusbasan Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y [email protected] Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Brad Debroni Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Brad Taplin N Y Y N Y Y Y Y N Brian Corrigan Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Brian Dockter N Y Y - - - - - - Brian J. Catlin N Y N N Y Y N N N Brian Kerman N Y N Y Y Y Y N N Brian McCashin Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Brian Smithson Y Y Y N N Y Y Y N Brian Vetter Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Brian Wyld Y Y Y - - - - Y Y Bruce Barnett Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Bruce C. Wright N Y N N Y Y Y N N Bruce Oneel Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y C.B. Leyerle Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Carl M. Kadie Y Y - - Y Y Y - - Carl Rigney Y Y Y N N N N N N Carlo Sgro N Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Caroline Moran Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y cc.curtin.edu.au!Chamberlain_WT Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Charles Fee N Y N Y N N N N N Charles Forsythe N Y Y Y Y Y N Y N Charlie Lear N Y Y N Y Y Y Y Y [email protected] N N N N N N N N N Chip Rosenthal - - - - - - N N N Chris Guzak Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Chris Lafournaise Y Y Y Y Y Y N Y N [email protected] Y N N Y Y Y Y Y Y [email protected] N Y N Y Y Y Y Y N Christoph Mueller Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Christopher Biow Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Claus Giloi Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Claus Kjaergaard N N N N Y Y Y Y Y Clay Bridges Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Corne Brouwers Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Curt Lindner Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y [email protected] N Y Y N Y Y Y Y Y Dale Lutz - Y Y Y Y Y Y Y N Dan Steele Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Daniel Bien Y N N Y Y Y Y Y Y Danny Yarbrough Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Dario Alcocer Y Y Y Y Y Y Y N N Dave Sill N Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Dave Weinstein Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y [email protected] N Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y David A. Sinclair N Y N Y Y Y Y Y N David C. Copley Y Y N Y N N N N Y David Chappell N N N N N N N N N David Goldsmith Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y DAVID HOLE Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y David J Leitko Y Y Y Y N Y Y Y Y David Mork Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y David Shepherd N - - - - - - - - [email protected] Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Dean Dierschow Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Demian A. Johnston N Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Dennis Adler Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Don Rubin N N N Y Y Y Y Y Y Don Wilcox Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Donald H. 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