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From [email protected] Fri Aug 12 21:36:08 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Adrian Mariano) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.books,alt.books.reviews Subject: RFD: rec.arts.books.reviews moderated Followup-To: news.groups Date: 12 Aug 1994 20:34:08 -0400 Organization: Cornell University Lines: 108 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5486 news.groups:112265 rec.arts.books:108133 alt.books.reviews:3600  This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) regarding the formation of the moderated group rec.arts.books.reviews.  This message has been posted to several groups, but followups have been directed to news.groups.  All discussion of this proposal should take place on news.groups.  Discussion will be held for 21-30 days at which time a Call for Votes (CFV) will appear.  To pass, the proposal must have 100 more YES votes than NO votes and two thirds of the votes must be positive. (For more information see the articles "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "Usenet Newsgroup Creation Companion", in news.announce.newusers, news.answers, news.groups.)   Name         : rec.arts.books.reviews Description  : book reviews Status       : Moderated Moderator    : Steve Brock <[email protected]> Distribution : Worldwide Proposed by  : Adrian Mariano <[email protected]>   Background:  For over two years, alt.books.reviews has been a successful forum for general book reviews.  Many excellent book reviews have appeared in this unmoderated newsgroup.  Lately, however, the reviews have been swamped by general discussion.  Automatic archiving of posts was discontinued due to the preponderance of posts which were not reviews.  The proposed group must be moderated to ensure that it does not suffer >from the same problems.  The wider distribution of the rec hierarchy is justified by the high quality of the reviews which will appear in the group.     Charter:  The purpose of this group is to carry reviews of books.  A review consists of commentary on a book by someone who has read the book designed to help those who have not read it make an informed decision as to whether or not to do so.    This newsgroup will be a moderated group.  The following materials will appear in the group:      - Reviews of written works     - Descriptions of reviewer philosophy or background  The following are not appropriate for the group:          - Discussion of books     - Announcements of book availability     - Advertisements and promotional materials     - Requests that a particular book be reviewed  Reviewers who have a financial interest in the books they review should state this fact in their reviews.   Moderator:   As the initiator of alt.books.reviews, the maintainer of the FAQ for that group, and a regular book reviewer, Steve Brock <[email protected]> is the logical choice for moderator.  He has stated his willingness to undertake the job.  Danny Yee <[email protected]> has volunteered to act as the backup moderator for the new group.  The moderators have agreed to the following moderation policy.     Moderation policy:  The function of moderation is to ensure that only reviews and related materials appear in the group.        - Reviews must contain some details.  For example, "XXX is a great       book!" is not a review.      - Posts will never be rejected on the basis of relevant content,       but the moderator would reject (for example) a post that       pretended to be a book review of _Lord of the Rings_ but was       actually an excuse for an anti-Armenian diatribe.      - A review MUST clearly indicate the title, author and publisher       of the book.  A book review SHOULD contain the length,       publication date, ISBN, price, and subject or keywords.  The       more bibliographic data the better.  No specific format will be       required for this data, though some format may be encouraged.       - Posters should crosspost reviews into rec.arts.books and other       relevant groups.  Followups should be directed to the       appropriate group(s) (rec.arts.books if nowhere else is       suitable).  The moderator may modify the Followup-To: header if       necessary, perhaps after consultation with the author.      - Reviews by people with vested interests will be permitted       provided that they are substantive and that reviewers make       explicit any financial connection they have with the subject of       their review.     Acknowledgements:  This RFD is based on RFDs by Daniel Druker and Jonathan Grobe.  I consulted the FAQs for alt.books.reviews and rec.arts.sf.reviews extensively while designing this proposal.    From [email protected] (RonDippold) Wed Sep 21 18:35:39 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.books,alt.books.reviews Subject: CFV: rec.arts.books.reviews moderated Followup-To: poster Date: 21 Sep 1994 18:18:31 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 93 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 14 Oct 1994 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] (Ron Dippold Voting Alias) NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5658 news.groups:117095 rec.arts.books:112525 alt.books.reviews:4397  		     FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) 		moderated group rec.arts.books.reviews 				    Newsgroups line: rec.arts.books.reviews	Book reviews. (Moderated)  Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 13 October 1994.  This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions only contact [email protected]  For questions about the proposed group contact Adrian Mariano <[email protected]>  CHARTER  The purpose of this group is to carry reviews of books.  A review consists of commentary on a book by someone who has read the book designed to help those who have not read it make an informed decision as to whether or not to do so.    This newsgroup will be a moderated group.  The following materials will appear in the group:      - Reviews of written works     - Descriptions of reviewer philosophy or background  The following are not appropriate for the group:          - Discussion of books     - Announcements of book availability     - Advertisements and promotional materials     - Requests that a particular book be reviewed  Reviewers who have a financial interest in the books they review should state this fact in their reviews.   Moderator:   The moderator will be Steve Brock <[email protected]>. The backup moderator will be Danny Yee <[email protected]>.  The submissions address is [email protected]  There is no special contact address.    Moderation policy:  The function of moderation is to ensure that only reviews and related materials appear in the group.        - Reviews must contain some details.  For example, "XXX is a great       book!" is not a review.      - Posts will never be rejected on the basis of relevant content,       but the moderator would reject (for example) a post that       pretended to be a book review of _Lord of the Rings_ but was       actually an excuse for an anti-Armenian diatribe.      - A review MUST clearly indicate the title, author and publisher       of the book.  A book review SHOULD contain the length,       publication date, ISBN, price, and subject or keywords.  The       more bibliographic data the better.  No specific format will be       required for this data, though some format may be encouraged.       - Posters should crosspost reviews into rec.arts.books and other       relevant groups.  Followups should be directed to the       appropriate group(s) (rec.arts.books if nowhere else is       suitable).  The moderator may modify the Followup-To: header if       necessary, perhaps after consultation with the author.      - Reviews by people with vested interests will be permitted       provided that they are substantive and that reviewers make       explicit any financial connection they have with the subject of       their review.     HOW TO VOTE  Send MAIL to:   [email protected] Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.  Your mail message should contain one of the following statements:       I vote YES on rec.arts.books.reviews       I vote NO on rec.arts.books.reviews  You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome. Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge- ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.  One vote counted per person, no more than one per account. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.  From [email protected] (RonDippold) Fri Sep 30 13:20:23 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.books,alt.books.reviews Subject: 2nd CFV: rec.arts.books.reviews moderated Supersedes: <[email protected]> Followup-To: poster Date: 29 Sep 1994 23:16:31 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 99 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 14 Oct 1994 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] (Ron Dippold Voting Alias) NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5699 news.groups:118318 rec.arts.books:113449 alt.books.reviews:4543                       LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)                 moderated group rec.arts.books.reviews                                     Newsgroups line: rec.arts.books.reviews  Book reviews. (Moderated)  Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 13 October 1994.  This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions only contact [email protected]  For questions about the proposed group contact Adrian Mariano <[email protected]>  CHARTER  The purpose of this group is to carry reviews of books.  A review consists of commentary on a book by someone who has read the book designed to help those who have not read it make an informed decision as to whether or not to do so.    This newsgroup will be a moderated group.  The following materials will appear in the group:      - Reviews of written works     - Descriptions of reviewer philosophy or background  The following are not appropriate for the group:          - Discussion of books     - Announcements of book availability     - Advertisements and promotional materials     - Requests that a particular book be reviewed  Reviewers who have a financial interest in the books they review should state this fact in their reviews.   Moderator:   The moderator will be Steve Brock <[email protected]>. The backup moderator will be Danny Yee <[email protected]>.  The submissions address is [email protected]  There is no special contact address.    Moderation policy:  The function of moderation is to ensure that only reviews and related materials appear in the group.        - Reviews must contain some details.  For example, "XXX is a great       book!" is not a review.      - Posts will never be rejected on the basis of relevant content,       but the moderator would reject (for example) a post that       pretended to be a book review of _Lord of the Rings_ but was       actually an excuse for an anti-Armenian diatribe.      - A review MUST clearly indicate the title, author and publisher       of the book.  A book review SHOULD contain the length,       publication date, ISBN, price, and subject or keywords.  The       more bibliographic data the better.  No specific format will be       required for this data, though some format may be encouraged.       - Posters should crosspost reviews into rec.arts.books and other       relevant groups.  Followups should be directed to the       appropriate group(s) (rec.arts.books if nowhere else is       suitable).  The moderator may modify the Followup-To: header if       necessary, perhaps after consultation with the author.      - Reviews by people with vested interests will be permitted       provided that they are substantive and that reviewers make       explicit any financial connection they have with the subject of       their review.     HOW TO VOTE  Send MAIL to:   [email protected] Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.  Your mail message should contain one of the following statements:       I vote YES on rec.arts.books.reviews       I vote NO on rec.arts.books.reviews  You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome. Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge- ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.  One vote counted per person, no more than one per account. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.    rec.arts.books.reviews Bounce List - No need to revote ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                                                        From [email protected] (RonDippold) Tue Nov  1 18:32:57 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.books,alt.books.reviews Subject: RESULT: rec.arts.books.reviews moderated passes 268:6 Supersedes: <[email protected]> Followup-To: news.groups Date: 1 Nov 1994 17:57:53 -0500 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 378 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5874 news.groups:122136 rec.arts.books:117110 alt.books.reviews:5399                                 RESULT 	 moderated group rec.arts.books.reviews passes 268:6  There were 268 YES votes and 6 NO votes, for a total of 274 valid votes.  There was 1 abstain and 2 invalid ballots.  For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes.   There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.   There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.  If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter.                                      Newsgroups line: rec.arts.books.reviews  Book reviews. (Moderated)  This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions only contact [email protected]  For questions about the proposed group contact Adrian Mariano <[email protected]>  CHARTER  The purpose of this group is to carry reviews of books.  A review consists of commentary on a book by someone who has read the book designed to help those who have not read it make an informed decision as to whether or not to do so.    This newsgroup will be a moderated group.  The following materials will appear in the group:      - Reviews of written works     - Descriptions of reviewer philosophy or background  The following are not appropriate for the group:          - Discussion of books     - Announcements of book availability     - Advertisements and promotional materials     - Requests that a particular book be reviewed  Reviewers who have a financial interest in the books they review should state this fact in their reviews.   Moderator:   The moderator will be Steve Brock <[email protected]>. The backup moderator will be Danny Yee <[email protected]>.  The submissions address is [email protected]  There is no special contact address.    Moderation policy:  The function of moderation is to ensure that only reviews and related materials appear in the group.        - Reviews must contain some details.  For example, "XXX is a great       book!" is not a review.      - Posts will never be rejected on the basis of relevant content,       but the moderator would reject (for example) a post that       pretended to be a book review of _Lord of the Rings_ but was       actually an excuse for an anti-Armenian diatribe.      - A review MUST clearly indicate the title, author and publisher       of the book.  A book review SHOULD contain the length,       publication date, ISBN, price, and subject or keywords.  The       more bibliographic data the better.  No specific format will be       required for this data, though some format may be encouraged.       - Posters should crosspost reviews into rec.arts.books and other       relevant groups.  Followups should be directed to the       appropriate group(s) (rec.arts.books if nowhere else is       suitable).  The moderator may modify the Followup-To: header if       necessary, perhaps after consultation with the author.      - Reviews by people with vested interests will be permitted       provided that they are substantive and that reviewers make       explicit any financial connection they have with the subject of       their review.     rec.arts.books.reviews Final Vote Ack  Voted Yes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                                         Nancy Kalish [email protected]                            Arthur Bernard Byrne [email protected]                                          Adrian Mariano [email protected]                                      Christian Sauve [email protected]                                      Andrea Gallagher [email protected]                                                  [email protected]                                       Iain D. Bowen [email protected]                                               Allan Blair [email protected]                                     Alison A. Anderson [email protected]                                                 Andy Latto [email protected]                                           Anne Kari Sorknes [email protected]                                            Artur Pioro [email protected]                                              AT [email protected]                                                    Jim Ault [email protected]                                             Amy Darke [email protected]                                             Phillip Hume [email protected]                                Carole Yeaman Westman [email protected]                                               [email protected]                                         Brian R. Becker [email protected]                                              Bengt Larsson [email protected]                                        Barbara La Scala [email protected]                                            William Strother [email protected]                                           Dan Birchall [email protected]                                                               [email protected]                                     Barbara Jellow [email protected]                                      Blair Zajac [email protected]                                                  Bob Novick [email protected]                                                       Bob Allison [email protected]                                        Peter G. Bouillon [email protected]                                          Niels Olof Bouvin [email protected]                                              Cary Bynum [email protected]                                    BROCK  STEVEN GARY [email protected]                                    Brian SPENCER [email protected]                                                 Bruce F. Wong [email protected]                                          Boyd Zenner [email protected]                                            Eric C. Carlson [email protected]                                       Carl Aude [email protected]                                                   Cat Stanton [email protected]                                            C. Douglas Baker [email protected]                                            David M. 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