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From [email protected] Wed Apr 28 18:54:16 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Martin Phipps) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.comics.misc,alt.comics.lnh Subject: RFD: rec.arts.comics.creative Followup-To: news.groups Date: 27 Apr 1993 16:13:23 -0400 Organization: phyics.mcgill.ca Lines: 36 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:3510 news.groups:70945 rec.arts.comics.misc:25373 alt.comics.lnh:1  REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION:  of the creation of a newsgroup called "rec.arts.comics.creative".  PURPOSE:  This newsgroup is to be available for people who want to post comic-related fiction and discussions about them.  Writers are encouraged to write into existing storylines although it is strongly recommended that they do so in a way that doesn't inconvenience the writer who's storyline you have written into.  This group is *not* intended as a place for posting stories using characters from actual comic books as this would constitute copyright infringement.  RATIONALE:  There exists a thriving alt group called "alt.comics.lnh" which supports this kind of material.  This group is not available on all newsreaders however and there is interest amongst people reading "rec.arts.comics.misc" to create a new group to avoid having people crosspost to that group.  NEWSGROUP CREATION:  Although there is probably sufficient interest in the creation of this newsgroup to warrant holding a vote this spring, it is suspected that a considerable number of people who would be interested in this group are  in fact students who would lose access to the net before such a vote would go ahead.  On the other hand, it is equally true that it would be  ideal if the new group were to come into existence during the summer so that it would be available for students returning in the fall. --  Martin Phipps * "Imitation is aka Deja Dude * the sincerest The CeLiNeFan * form of flattery"  From [email protected] Wed Aug 18 15:51:36 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Martin Phipps) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.comics.misc,alt.comics.lnh Subject: RFD: rec.arts.comics.creative Followup-To: news.groups Date: 18 Aug 1993 13:31:14 -0400 Organization: physics.mcgill.ca Lines: 45 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:3956 news.groups:79100 rec.arts.comics.misc:40122 alt.comics.lnh:764  REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION:  of the creation of a newsgroup called "rec.arts.comics.creative".  PURPOSE:  This newsgroup is to be available for people who want to post comic-related fiction and discussions about them.  Writers are encouraged to write into existing storylines although it is strongly recommended that they do so in a way that doesn't inconvenience the writer who's storyline you have written into.  This group is *not* intended as a place for posting stories using current characters from actual comic books as this would constitute  copyright infringement.  RATIONALE:  There exists a thriving alt group called "alt.comics.lnh" which supports this kind of material.  This group is not available on all newsreaders however and there is interest amongst people reading "rec.arts.comics.misc" to create a new group to avoid having people crosspost to that group.  In addition, comic-related fiction is posted on other bulletin boards such as Genie and there's no newsgroup here that caters to those who might want to repost these stories here.  Finally, the existance of a rec group would attract the attention of people who might not be aware of the determination with which comic-related stories are written for net publication.  As long as groups like the Legion of Net.Heroes and JLGenie are restricted to their own spheres of influence, people are not going to go out of their way to track down their stories and they may be missing something that they might actually like and, yes, even contribute to.  NEWSGROUP CREATION:  A request for discussion was submitted back in the spring but when the time came for a call for vote the net was rather silent so this request for discussion has been submitted so that there might be a vote held one month from now. --      Martin Phipps             aka Deja Dude             The CeLiNeFan             Although one shouldn't laugh at one's own humour,                   it is nice to know that somebody is.  From [email protected] Mon Sep 20 18:30:36 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.comics.misc,alt.comics.lnh Subject: CFV: rec.arts.comics.creative Followup-To: poster Date: 20 Sep 1993 12:00:42 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 47 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 12 Oct 1993 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] (Ron Dippold Voting Alias) NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4065 news.groups:82385 rec.arts.comics.misc:44243 alt.comics.lnh:1042  		      1st CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)   Unmoderated group rec.arts.comics.creative   Newsgroups line: rec.arts.comics.creative	Encouraging good collaborative fiction.  Votes must be recieved by 23:59:59 UTC, 11 Oct 1993.  This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions only, contact [email protected]  For questions about the proposed group, contact Martin Phipps <[email protected]>   CHARTER  This newsgroup is to be available for people who want to post comic-related fiction and discussions about them.  Writers are encouraged to write into existing storylines although it is strongly recommended that they do so in a way that doesn't inconvenience the writer who's storyline you have written into.  This group is *not* intended as a place for posting stories using current characters from actual comic books as this would constitute copyright infringement.    STANDARD VOTING INFO  You should send MAIL (posts to a group are invalid) to       [email protected] (just replying by MAIL to this message should work).  Your mail message should contain one and only one of the following statements:        I vote YES on rec.arts.comics.creative or       I vote NO on rec.arts.comics.creative  Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. If you later change your mind you may also use send in an "abstain" vote in the same manner, using "abstain" in place of "yes" or "no". All votes should be acknowledged by mail.  Standard Guidelines for voting apply - one vote per person (not per account).  100 more YES votes than NO votes and 2/3 of all votes being YES are the requirements for group creation.  From [email protected] Mon Sep 27 18:07:24 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.comics.misc,alt.comics.lnh Subject: 2nd CFV: rec.arts.comics.creative Supersedes: <[email protected]> Followup-To: poster Date: 27 Sep 1993 17:16:00 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 53 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 12 Oct 1993 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] (Ron Dippold Voting Alias) NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4098 news.groups:83016 rec.arts.comics.misc:45401 alt.comics.lnh:1174  		      LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)   Unmoderated group rec.arts.comics.creative   Newsgroups line: rec.arts.comics.creative	Encouraging good collaborative fiction.  Votes must be recieved by 23:59:59 UTC, 11 Oct 1993.  This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions only, contact [email protected]  For questions about the proposed group, contact Martin Phipps <[email protected]>   CHARTER  This newsgroup is to be available for people who want to post comic-related fiction and discussions about them.  Writers are encouraged to write into existing storylines although it is strongly recommended that they do so in a way that doesn't inconvenience the writer who's storyline you have written into.  This group is *not* intended as a place for posting stories using current characters from actual comic books as this would constitute copyright infringement.    STANDARD VOTING INFO  You should send MAIL (posts to a group are invalid) to       [email protected] (just replying by MAIL to this message should work).  Your mail message should contain one and only one of the following statements:        I vote YES on rec.arts.comics.creative or       I vote NO on rec.arts.comics.creative  Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. If you later change your mind you may also use send in an "abstain" vote in the same manner, using "abstain" in place of "yes" or "no". All votes should be acknowledged by mail.  Standard Guidelines for voting apply - one vote per person (not per account).  100 more YES votes than NO votes and 2/3 of all votes being YES are the requirements for group creation.    rec.arts.comics.creative group vote Bounce Ack List - no need to revote ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]  From [email protected] Tue Oct 12 15:07:57 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.comics.misc,alt.comics.lnh Subject: RESULT: rec.arts.comics.creative fails 123:28 Supersedes: <[email protected]> Date: 12 Oct 1993 14:27:39 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 189 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4149 news.groups:84242 rec.arts.comics.misc:47708 alt.comics.lnh:1353                                 RESULT   unmoderated rec.arts.comics.creative group vote results - 151 valid votes    Yes   No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group  ---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : -------------------------------------------   123   28 :  Yes    No :    No : rec.arts.comics.creative   Hence the group fails from lack of interest.  A new vote may not be held for the same group for six months.  The vote is extremely close (5 votes), but the only bounced mail ack was for a yes vote.  This vote was conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions only,  contact [email protected]  For questions about the proposed group, contact Martin Phipps <[email protected]>   CHARTER  This newsgroup is to be available for people who want to post comic-related fiction and discussions about them.  Writers are encouraged to write into existing storylines although it is strongly recommended that they do so in a way that doesn't inconvenience the writer who's storyline you have written into.  This group is *not* intended as a place for posting stories using current characters from actual comic books as this would constitute copyright infringement.   rec.arts.comics.creative group vote Final Vote Ack  Yes Votes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                                      Stephane Savoie [email protected]                                             C.V.Stott [email protected]                                     Bert L. Reinke [email protected]                                               David Pardoe [email protected]                                      Ramesh Fernando [email protected]                               John C. Abbe aka Rademir [email protected]                                       Andrew E Corboy [email protected]                                                             [email protected]                                       Richard Allbery [email protected]                                        Shannon D. Appel [email protected]                                      Andrew David Weiland [email protected]                                                          [email protected]                                               Ben Acosta barnejd%[email protected]                                    [email protected]                                          Niels Olof Bouvin [email protected]                                                           [email protected]                   Bill Hart (MacNeal-Schwendler Corporation) [email protected]                                                          [email protected]                                       Don Macpherson [email protected]                   Julian C. (aka John Guthrie Constantine) [email protected]                                                           [email protected]                                            Po Shan Cheah [email protected]                                  Chua Hak Lien [email protected]                             Mark "Crimson" Friedman [email protected]                                             Kevin Cureton [email protected]                                                   MARTIN [email protected]                                                 Bill Davidsen [email protected]                                                         [email protected]                                                    [email protected]                                     Rebecca Drayer [email protected]                                                       [email protected]                             Dave Van Domelen [email protected]                                              Ernie Oporto [email protected]                                                 Eric Akawie [email protected]                                        Eric Jaron Stieglitz [email protected]                                              Eric Mathis [email protected]                                     Scott Emery ACF [email protected]                                     Paul Richard Hardy [email protected]                                                  zombie [email protected]                                             DAVID MOULD [email protected]                                Gregory C Franklin [email protected]                                             Gayle Gamble [email protected]                                        Josh Geurink [email protected]                                            Gord Locke [email protected]                                                   Rene Gobeyn [email protected]                                                           [email protected]                                  Edwin Michael Clarke [email protected]                                    Harith Jameel Alkhafiz [email protected]                                           matt hardy [email protected]                                                         [email protected]                                                    -- [email protected]                                Hubert Bartels [email protected]                                         2LT H. Kinyon [email protected]                                              [email protected]                                              David Ruggiero [email protected]                                            Pletinckx Jurgen [email protected]                                             B. Austin Davis [email protected]                                                          [email protected]                                             JOSEPH MARIN [email protected]                                       Jeff McCoskey~ [email protected]                                           Jonathan M Lennox [email protected]                                               Jeff Mason [email protected]                                                John Locke [email protected]                                   Jesse L. Fitzgerald [email protected]                                              Kenneth A Graves [email protected]                                                      [email protected]                                            Ken Schmidt [email protected]                                      kieran [email protected]                                                             [email protected]                                                           [email protected]                                              Sheryl Knowles [email protected]                                     James John Krupski [email protected]                                Gary S. St. Lawrence [email protected]                                       Pet Shop Glenns [email protected]                                               Laurie Gerholz [email protected]                                 Lonadar the Wanderer [email protected]                                           Kyle A. Lucke [email protected]                                                shawn marier [email protected]                                         Jason Saunders [email protected]                     Killans - First And Last And Always [email protected]                                                    Mickey [email protected]                                                  Of Mikes and Men [email protected]                                      Mike Minnotte [email protected]                                              da JAM [email protected]                           Melissa Rhoads Warden [email protected]                                            Mark Walsh [email protected]                                      Dan Newcombe [email protected]                                                    [email protected]                                             OLE-MAGNUS OLSEN [email protected]                                                Paul Adams [email protected]                               S.Ward-Smith [email protected]                                         Michael Perler [email protected]                                        Johnny Preyer [email protected]                                      P Atcliffe [email protected]                                   Michael J. Quinn [email protected]                                                   [email protected]                                    Ray G. Bingham [email protected]                                                           [email protected]                                         Roger B.A. Klorese [email protected]                                               Rod Shelton [email protected]    Theron E. Ross, DTN 235-8053, DSG1-2/F2  20-Sep-19 [email protected]                                               Roy Daniel [email protected]                                               Ryan Bayne [email protected]                                                        [email protected]                                  Sean Russell [email protected]                                                       [email protected]                                            Si Rowe [email protected]                                    H Samuli Karkkainen [email protected]                                          Nick Glenos [email protected]                                                           [email protected]                                        Kevin L. Stamber [email protected]                                 steinar bergstol [email protected]                                        Sascha Wildner [email protected]                                                          [email protected]                             Theodore J.I.N. Soldatos [email protected]                                                           [email protected]                                                 Lurking.Girl [email protected]                                                      [email protected]                                      Thomas Galloway [email protected]                  Todd VerBeek [Comp & Info Tech] GWM [email protected]                                               Veronica Tam [email protected]                                  Sabine Wolf [email protected]                               Christopher M. Conway  No Votes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                                       Sabah al-Binali [email protected]                               Christopher Gilmore [email protected]                                                             [email protected]                                 Ernest A. Cline [email protected]                                         Chris Marble [email protected]                                              David Bedno [email protected]                                Sigurdur-Runar Helgason [email protected]                                                     Edward Bertsch [email protected]                                           Eric J. Olson [email protected]                                        Hardcore Alaskan [email protected]                                              Gordon Matheson [email protected]                                Brennan Tennesen Price [email protected]                                            Brian V. Hughes [email protected]                                      Scowling Jim Cowling [email protected]                                               James Kiley [email protected]                                            Joe St Sauver [email protected]                                                 The Spider [email protected]                                                       James Drew [email protected]                                    Kosmatos Odisseas [email protected]                                        michael kelly [email protected]                                              Greg Morrow [email protected]                        Sendhil "Mr. Bubbles" Revuluri [email protected]                                             Richard H. Miller [email protected]                                                        [email protected]                                                    Shane Hartman [email protected]                                               Smarasderagd Draco [email protected]valinor.mythical.com                                          Stu Labovitz [email protected]                                                David James  From [email protected] Tue Apr 19 17:46:34 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Martin Phipps <[email protected]> Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.comics.misc,alt.comics.lnh Subject: RFD: rec.arts.comics.creative Followup-To: news.groups Date: 12 Apr 1994 15:30:52 -0400 Organization: mcgill.ca Lines: 48 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4935 news.groups:100510 rec.arts.comics.misc:72405 alt.comics.lnh:3275  REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION:  of the creation of a newsgroup called "rec.arts.comics.creative".  PURPOSE:  This newsgroup is to be available for people who want to post comic-related fiction and discussions about them.  Writers are encouraged to write into existing storylines although it is strongly recommended that they do so in a way that doesn't inconvenience the writer who's storyline you have written into.  This group is *not* intended as a place for posting stories using current characters from actual comic books as this would constitute copyright infringement.  RATIONALE:  There exists a thriving alt group called "alt.comics.lnh" which supports this kind of material.  This group is not available on all newsreaders however and there is interest amongst people reading "rec.arts.comics.misc" to create a new group to avoid having people crosspost to that group.  In addition, comic-related fiction is posted on other bulletin boards such as Genie and there's no newsgroup here that caters to those who might want to repost these stories here.  The existance of a mailing list known as Superguy has also come to the attention of people interested in the creation of this group.  This represents yet another group of people who are interested in participating in this newsgroup.  Finally, the existance of a rec group would attract the attention of people who might not be aware of the determination with which comic-related stories are written for net publication.  As long as groups like the Legion of Net.Heroes and JLGenie are restricted to their own spheres of influence, people are not going to go out of their way to track down their stories and they may be missing something that they might actually like and, yes, even contribute to.  NEWSGROUP CREATION:  A call for votes should be posted three weeks from now (May 3rd). Ron Dippold has offered to collect the votes.                   Martin Phipps (The Ce'line Fan)                    Deja Dude on alt.comics.lnh                 Generic Man (sort of) on Superguy  From [email protected] Wed May 11 14:57:43 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Jay Maynard) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.comics.misc,alt.comics.lnh,rec.arts.comics.xbooks Subject: CFV: rec.arts.comics.creative Followup-To: poster Date: 9 May 1994 19:10:25 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers...the knights who say ACK! Lines: 77 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 31 May 1994 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5040 news.groups:103108 rec.arts.comics.misc:77127 alt.comics.lnh:3681 rec.arts.comics.xbooks:22279                            FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)                   unmoderated group rec.arts.comics.creative  Newsgroups line: rec.arts.comics.creative	Encouraging good superhero-style writing.  Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 30 May 1994.  This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions only, contact the votetaker, Jay Maynard, at [email protected]  For questions about the proposed group, contact the proponent, Martin Phipps, [email protected]  A copy of this Call for Votes will be sent to the mailing list at [email protected]  CHARTER  This newsgroup is to be available for people who want to post comic-related fiction and discussions about them.  Writers are encouraged to follow the existing continuity of the "universe" in which their stories take place.  (Writers can have their stories take place in a "universe" that is entirely their own but this would mean that any "cross-overs" with other storylines would have to be considered "out of continuity".)  This group is *not* intended as a place for posting stories using current characters from actual comic books as this would constitute trademark infringement.  RATIONALE:  There exists a thriving alt group called "alt.comics.lnh" which supports this kind of material.  This group is not available on all newsreaders however and there is interest amongst people reading "rec.arts.comics.misc" to create a new group to avoid having people crosspost to that group.  In addition, comic-related fiction is posted on other bulletin boards such as Genie and there's no newsgroup here that caters to those who might want to repost these stories here.  The existance of a mailing list known as Superguy has also come to the attention of people interested in the creation of this group.  This represents yet another group of people who might be interested in participating in this newsgroup.  Finally, the existance of a rec group would attract the attention of people who might not be aware of the determination with which comic-related stories are written for net publication.  As long as groups like the Legion of Net.Heroes and JLGenie are restricted to their own spheres of influence, people are not going to go out of their way to track down their stories and they may be missing something that they might actually like and, yes, even contribute to.   HOW TO VOTE  Send MAIL to:   [email protected] Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.  Your mail message should contain one of the following statements:       I vote YES on rec.arts.comics.creative       I vote NO on rec.arts.comics.creative  You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome. Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge- ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.  One vote counted per person, no more than one per account. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list. --  Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can [email protected]   | adequately be explained by stupidity.  "The government which fears arms in the hands of its people...should."                         -- Karl Kleinpaste  From [email protected] Mon May 23 19:02:20 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Jay Maynard) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.comics.misc,alt.comics.lnh,rec.arts.comics.xbooks Subject: 2nd CFV: rec.arts.comics.creative Supersedes: <[email protected]> Followup-To: poster Date: 23 May 1994 17:32:20 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers...the knights who say ACK! Lines: 81 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 31 May 1994 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]>  <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5129 news.groups:104670 rec.arts.comics.misc:78602 alt.comics.lnh:3834 rec.arts.comics.xbooks:22768                            LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)                   unmoderated group rec.arts.comics.creative  Newsgroups line: rec.arts.comics.creative        Encouraging good superhero-style writing.  Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 30 May 1994.  This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions only, contact the votetaker, Jay Maynard, at [email protected]  For questions about the proposed group, contact the proponent, Martin Phipps, [email protected]  A copy of this Call for Votes will be sent to the mailing list at [email protected]  CHARTER  This newsgroup is to be available for people who want to post comic-related fiction and discussions about them.  Writers are encouraged to follow the existing continuity of the "universe" in which their stories take place.  (Writers can have their stories take place in a "universe" that is entirely their own but this would mean that any "cross-overs" with other storylines would have to be considered "out of continuity".)  This group is *not* intended as a place for posting stories using current characters from actual comic books as this would constitute trademark infringement.  RATIONALE:  There exists a thriving alt group called "alt.comics.lnh" which supports this kind of material.  This group is not available on all newsreaders however and there is interest amongst people reading "rec.arts.comics.misc" to create a new group to avoid having people crosspost to that group.  In addition, comic-related fiction is posted on other bulletin boards such as Genie and there's no newsgroup here that caters to those who might want to repost these stories here.  The existance of a mailing list known as Superguy has also come to the attention of people interested in the creation of this group.  This represents yet another group of people who might be interested in participating in this newsgroup.  Finally, the existance of a rec group would attract the attention of people who might not be aware of the determination with which comic-related stories are written for net publication.  As long as groups like the Legion of Net.Heroes and JLGenie are restricted to their own spheres of influence, people are not going to go out of their way to track down their stories and they may be missing something that they might actually like and, yes, even contribute to.   HOW TO VOTE  Send MAIL to:   [email protected] Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.  Your mail message should contain one of the following statements:       I vote YES on rec.arts.comics.creative       I vote NO on rec.arts.comics.creative  You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome. Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge- ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.  One vote counted per person, no more than one per account. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.  rec.arts.comics.creative Bounce List - No need to revote ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                                                                   --  Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can [email protected]   | adequately be explained by stupidity. To Sarah Brady, Howard Metzenbaum, Dianne Feinstein, and Charles Schumer: Thanks. Without you, I would be neither a gun owner nor an NRA life member.  From [email protected] Tue May 31 16:09:14 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Jay Maynard) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.comics.misc,alt.comics.lnh,rec.arts.comics.xbooks Subject: RESULT: rec.arts.comics.creative passes 202:44 Supersedes: <[email protected]> Followup-To: news.groups Date: 31 May 1994 15:54:24 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers...the knights who say ACK! Lines: 340 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]>  <[email protected]> <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5153 news.groups:105315 rec.arts.comics.misc:79657 alt.comics.lnh:3875 rec.arts.comics.xbooks:23095                                      RESULT            unmoderated group rec.arts.comics.creative passes 202:44  There were 202 YES votes and 44 NO votes, for a total of 246 valid votes.  There was 1 abstain and 5 invalid ballots.  For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes.   There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.   There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.  If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter.  Newsgroups line: rec.arts.comics.creative        Encouraging good superhero-style writing.  Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 30 May 1994.  This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions only, contact the votetaker, Jay Maynard, at [email protected]  For questions about the proposed group, contact the proponent, Martin Phipps, [email protected]  A copy of this Call for Votes will be sent to the mailing list at [email protected]  CHARTER  This newsgroup is to be available for people who want to post comic-related fiction and discussions about them.  Writers are encouraged to follow the existing continuity of the "universe" in which their stories take place.  (Writers can have their stories take place in a "universe" that is entirely their own but this would mean that any "cross-overs" with other storylines would have to be considered "out of continuity".)  This group is *not* intended as a place for posting stories using current characters from actual comic books as this would constitute trademark infringement.  RATIONALE:  There exists a thriving alt group called "alt.comics.lnh" which supports this kind of material.  This group is not available on all newsreaders however and there is interest amongst people reading "rec.arts.comics.misc" to create a new group to avoid having people crosspost to that group.  In addition, comic-related fiction is posted on other bulletin boards such as Genie and there's no newsgroup here that caters to those who might want to repost these stories here.  The existance of a mailing list known as Superguy has also come to the attention of people interested in the creation of this group.  This represents yet another group of people who might be interested in participating in this newsgroup.  Finally, the existance of a rec group would attract the attention of people who might not be aware of the determination with which comic-related stories are written for net publication.  As long as groups like the Legion of Net.Heroes and JLGenie are restricted to their own spheres of influence, people are not going to go out of their way to track down their stories and they may be missing something that they might actually like and, yes, even contribute to.  rec.arts.comics.creative Final Vote Ack  Voted Yes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                                            Joseph Block [email protected]                                                     [email protected]                                       F. P. Adams, Jr. [email protected]                                          This Space For Rent [email protected]                             Adam Joshua Flisser [email protected]                                     J._Michael_Stipe [email protected]                                            Jon Aibel [email protected]                                               Wakko Warner [email protected]                                                              [email protected]                           Richard: 916-478-3214 / 8L [email protected]                                                            Azizi [email protected]                                                Andy May [email protected]                                           Andrew Ellam [email protected]                                      [email protected] [email protected]                                                 [email protected]                       Roycester (pronounced 'Royster') [email protected]                                         Darkside Cowboy [email protected]                                      Andrew David Weiland [email protected]                                                Barry Lieberman [email protected]                                           Allen Ka-Lun Au BECK%[email protected]                   Rebecca Daugherty [email protected]                                     Mark W Billian [email protected]                                   B. Warren Thomas [email protected]                                                                 [email protected]                                          John Boelter [email protected]                                     Franklin Brodsky [email protected]                                  BURA Stephane 40 24 27 59 [email protected]                                         Brian J. Perler [email protected]                                         Byron Molix [email protected]                                   Mark Kupferman [email protected]                                   Blade of Malchrntyne [email protected]                                        Remo Williams [email protected]                            It's the swing like a pendulum [email protected]                                     Chris Sypal [email protected]                                       Christopher J Biggs [email protected]                                             Kevin Cureton [email protected]                                      Curt Wiederhoeft [email protected]                                   CHARLIE WENTLING [email protected]                                                   MARTIN [email protected]                                  Bart Beaty. GPC. McGill [email protected]                                       Benjamin Bach Czisny [email protected]                                           Dommy E. Hamid [email protected]                                     Johanna Draper [email protected]                            D. Michael Basinger [email protected]                                                 David Conner [email protected]                                            Dan Howell [email protected]                                              Darin Kerr [email protected]                                                                [email protected]                                            Don Woods [email protected]                                         Doug Shaw [email protected]                                                              [email protected]                                     Daniel Pawtowski [email protected]                                                    [email protected]                                     Rebecca Drayer [email protected]                                                 DD [email protected]                                                       [email protected]                             Dave Van Domelen [email protected]                                         Eric Brown [email protected]                                                 Eric Akawie [email protected]                        Ellen L. Contini-Morava [email protected]                                     Paul Richard Hardy [email protected]                                   Greg Fishbone [email protected]                                             Jerry Franke [email protected]                                                                 [email protected]                                       EuGene epetai-Tramaglino [email protected]                                                 Matthew Gerber [email protected]     The Reverend Floating Point Exception (bl00p!) [email protected]                                       David Goldfarb [email protected]                                                      Sam Groves [email protected]                              Eric E. Chastain (T-Rex) [email protected]                                      Jon C. Robertson [email protected]                                      Alan Paul Albert [email protected]                                    Harith Jameel Alkhafiz [email protected]                                                William Hahn [email protected]                                             Eric Harding [email protected]                                                         [email protected]                                Hubert Bartels [email protected]                                                      [email protected]                                          Steve Hutchison [email protected]                                                 Hao-yang Wang [email protected]                                    Ronald E Kinion [email protected]                            Ian David Bremner [email protected]                                          Ian O'Brien [email protected]                               Jessica Ihimaera-Smiler [email protected]                                      James Langdell [email protected]                                       The Vodkinator [email protected]                                       John Benton [email protected]                                                 HENDERSON [email protected]                             James Alexander Chokey [email protected]                                       Johann E. Beda [email protected]                                  Jesse Taylor [email protected]                                         The Corinthian [email protected]                                        Jacob Lesgold [email protected]                                       Jeff McCoskey~ [email protected]                                        J. Michael Spectre [email protected]                                       Jonathan M. Lennox [email protected]                                         He did the Watusi [email protected]                                               Jeff Mason [email protected]                                            Justin Fang [email protected]                                             SillyWiz [email protected]                                            [Ken Gilbert (x3432)] [email protected]                                          keith martin [email protected]                                    Ken Schmidt [email protected]                                               Ken Small [email protected]                                        Kate the Short [email protected]                                                             [email protected]                                Aphoriel/Kinsman [email protected]                                                           [email protected]                                              Sheryl Knowles [email protected]                                     SCAVENGERemy [email protected]                                    James John Krupski [email protected]                                        Martin Schroeder [email protected]                                       John P. LaRocque [email protected]                                                Lawrence Brown [email protected]                                                   Linda Carr [email protected]                                 Return to Glennocence [email protected]                                                  Laura Burchard [email protected]                                               Laurie Gerholz [email protected]                                Leanthony R. Mathews [email protected]                                         Kyle A. Lucke [email protected]                                                                   [email protected]                                                Larry W. Virden [email protected]                                                                [email protected]                                                   dream [email protected]                              Marie E. Antoon [email protected]                                     Mark Andrew Wisniewski [email protected]                                        Mark A Mcconnell [email protected]                                              MBGAUMER [email protected]                                                    B Bikowicz [email protected]                                         Richard Merkle [email protected]                                              Martin Rose [email protected]                                     Michael A. Gelman [email protected]                                     Michael G. P. Lee [email protected]                                                   [email protected]                                                Michael Gunderson [email protected]                                                            [email protected]                                               Mike Escutia [email protected]                                           Charlie Ball [email protected]                                         A. M. Mughal [email protected]                                     Elizabeth Smith [email protected]                                          Nathan Bardsley [email protected]                          Christopher L Schneider [email protected]                                            Charles [Ned] Bush [email protected]                                     Lunatic [email protected]                                                     Noel Lozares [email protected]                              Nicholas C. Weaver [email protected]                                                          [email protected]                                              Palomino [email protected]                                       Paul Moorehead [email protected]                               S.Ward-Smith [email protected]                                         Michael Perler [email protected]                                       Peter Wright [email protected]                                                     [email protected]                                         Philip Jeremy Moyer [email protected]                                                  Patrick Quan [email protected]                                                  [email protected]                                       Patricia Wright [email protected]                                      P Atcliffe [email protected]                                   Michael J. Quinn [email protected]                                                 Ralph Cerchione [email protected]                                                         Wrath [email protected]                                    Richard Poffley [email protected]                                             robin keller [email protected]                                    INTO THE GREAT WIDE OPEN [email protected]                                      Ronny Haavard Arild [email protected]                                               Russ Allbery [email protected]           Ma'am, my geode must be acknowledged! [email protected]                                                           [email protected]                                          Rodrigo E Viaud [email protected]                                                         [email protected]                                                       [email protected]                                               Spectre [email protected]                                                        [email protected]                                                 Sally Smith [email protected]                                                 Sigma Seven [email protected]                                            Simo Sunrider Suntila [email protected]                                                               [email protected]                                  John Alessandro [email protected]                            Steinar Bergstol [email protected]                                            michael (m.) silver [email protected]                                        Sascha Wildner [email protected]                                                         Tom Hart [email protected]                                                           [email protected]                                      Tim Klassen [email protected]                                                 Lurking.Girl [email protected]                                         Tom Galloway [email protected]                                                       [email protected]                                                       [email protected]                                                    [email protected]                                            [email protected]                                                        [email protected]                                                     [email protected]                                          Marco R. Vervoort [email protected]                                       Veronica Kwun-Yue Tam [email protected]                                          [email protected] [email protected]                                                Kevin White [email protected]                 William S. Kartalopoulos [email protected]                                                      [email protected]                               Christopher M. Conway [email protected]                                              Dark M00se Rising [email protected]                                         Yamane Maki [email protected]                                                 Scott Johnson  Voted No ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                      JESUS EUGENIO SANCHEZ PENA [email protected]                                Anders M Jorgensen [email protected]                         Stefan Antersberger [email protected]                                                    Jim Ault [email protected]                                           Ed Bailey [email protected]                                        Iain A. Bertram [email protected]                                              Bernard S Black [email protected]                                                   Burt N Holzman [email protected]           Chris "ASCII Console Monster Man" Jackson [email protected]                                         Chris Stamper [email protected]                                         Chris Marble [email protected]                                               [email protected]                                         David R. Henry [email protected]                                               Ed Wilts [email protected]                                  Sean P. Ryan [email protected]                                  Georg Schwarz [email protected]                                                         [email protected]                                            Brian V. Hughes [email protected]                                      Harris Boldt Edelman HD0022%[email protected]                           Chip Dunham [email protected]                                              Roger Hakansson [email protected]                                   mary-frances  jagod [email protected]                                                     Jay Laefer [email protected]                                      Scowling Jim Cowling [email protected]                                                      J.M.Cruz [email protected]                                          Joseph Fortt [email protected]                                                 The Spider [email protected]                                     John R. MacWilliamson [email protected]                                       Jeffrey C Spencer [email protected]                                                   bopo [email protected]                                              Kari E. Hurtta [email protected]                                                 Kregg Brooks [email protected]                                                   [email protected]                                David J. Potts [email protected]                                        michael kelly [email protected]                                          Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS [email protected]                                              Greg Morrow [email protected]                                   Marjorie R. Stamper [email protected]                                                           [email protected]                                             Richard H. Miller [email protected]                               Christina Schulman [email protected]                                        IRA SMAILER [email protected]                                                  Dwight Brown [email protected]                                                       Tony Chen  Abstained ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                                                             Votes in error ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                                               Brian D. Larson    ! No vote statement in message [email protected]                                          Frank Merrick    ! Conflicting votes [email protected]                                                                 ! No vote statement in message [email protected]                                     Tammie Philpott    ! No vote statement in message [email protected]                                       Zach DH Robinson    ! No vote statement in message --  Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can [email protected]   | adequately be explained by stupidity. To Sarah Brady, Howard Metzenbaum, Dianne Feinstein, and Charles Schumer: Thanks. Without you, I would be neither a gun owner nor an NRA life member.   From [email protected] Mon Sep 23 17:24:44 1996 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Russ Allbery <[email protected]> Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.comics.creative,rec.arts.comics.info,rec.arts.anime.creative Subject: RFD: moderate rec.arts.comics.creative Followup-To: news.groups Date: 23 Sep 1996 21:24:31 -0000 Organization: . Lines: 128 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]". Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: rec.arts.comics.creative Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:9177 news.groups:232053 rec.arts.comics.creative:7478 rec.arts.comics.info:5279 rec.arts.anime.creative:476                       REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)  moderated group rec.arts.comics.creative (moderates existing group)  Newsgroup line: rec.arts.comics.creative	Comics-related original creative writing. (Moderated)  This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the moderation of the existing world-wide Usenet newsgroup rec.arts.comics.creative. This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below.  RATIONALE: rec.arts.comics.creative  The original conception of rec.arts.comics.creative was as a fairly low-traffic, high-signal home for the large variety of comics-related stories and shared universes on the Net.  Moderation was seriously considered in the original group proposal but rejected largely because no one was in a position to moderate the group.  Recently, rec.arts.comics.creative has suffered from a rash of off-topic articles, to the point where upwards of 80% of the group has been noise.  The on-topic traffic for the group is normally a small number of fairly long posts, and thus is easily drowned out by lots of off-topic posts.  Moderation will allow the group to return to its original purpose, as well as allow enforcement of a keyword system.  racc's counterpart in the anime hierarchy, rec.arts.anime.creative, has been moderated since the original creation of the group.  CHARTER: rec.arts.comics.creative  This newsgroup welcomes any form of comics-related original fiction and discussion of the same, including but not limited to stories in the many established shared universes.  Discussion of on-line fiction as a whole is also welcome provided that it is related to the stories on the newsgroup.  If they choose to write in an existing shared universe, writers are strongly encouranged to follow the existing continuity and rules of that universe.  "Comics-related" will be interpreted very broadly, as has been traditional on the newsgroup.  Each posting to rec.arts.comics.creative should include a keyword on the subject line either designating which shared universe the posting refers to or marking the general subject of the post (ADMIN, META, MISC, etc.).  If a submitted post does not have a keyword, the moderator will add an appropriate keyword, but posters are encouraged to add keywords themselves to save moderation work.  Large binaries, such as artwork, will not be allowed on the newsgroup. Instead, binaries can be made available in the newsgroup archive (subject to the discretion of the archivist) and a pointer posted to the newsgroup.  Pointers to Web pages are also welcome, provided the content of the page is related to the purpose of the group.  Stories using copyrighted or trademarked characters are explicitly not within the charter of this group and may be rejected unless the author owns the copyrights and trademarks or has written permission from the owner.  Networking posts (artists seeking writers or writers seeking artists) are inappropriate in this group and should be sent to appropriate mailing lists or other groups in the rec.arts.comics.* hierarchy (rec.arts.comics.misc if there is no other more appropriate group).  END CHARTER.  MODERATOR INFO: rec.arts.comics.creative  Moderator: Russ Allbery <[email protected]>  Russ (Eagle) is the current archivist of rec.arts.comics.creative, author of Perspectives, Birds Fly, Drifter, and other stories, and co-founder of the Crossroads shared writing universe.  Moderator: Chris Gumprich <[email protected]>  Chris is a long-time Net.Trenchcoat.Brigade writer and FAQ keeper, an occasional LNH writer, the founder of the ESP writing universe, and the author of a broad range of stories from R.E.J.E.C.T.S. '95 to Voyd and Dark Secrets.  Moderator: Mike Friedman <[email protected]>  Mike is a co-founder of the Crossroads shared writing universe and the author of the LNH series Spite Grrrl and the Crossroads series Arvie the Wonderdog, among many other things.  He is also the coordinator of one of RACC's semi-regular review columns.  Moderator: Patricia Wright <[email protected]>  Patricia is a long-time reader of first alt.comics.lnh and now rec.arts.comics.creative, a long-time LNH writer, and the author of the Vulcana series of stories.  END MODERATOR INFO.  PROCEDURE:  This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes.  In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups should be raised and resolved.  The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it.  Please do not attempt to vote until this happens.  All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.  This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal".  Please refer to these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the process.  DISTRIBUTION:  This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:    news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, rec.arts.comics.creative,   rec.arts.comics.info, rec.arts.anime.creative  and the following mailing lists:    [email protected] (Superguy readers discussion list)           Subscribe via: [email protected], subscribe superchat  --  Eagle <[email protected]>                            Windrider of Crossroads       rec.arts.comics.creative archivist  From [email protected] Mon Nov 11 19:08:56 1996 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Jani Patokallio <[email protected]> Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.anime.creative,rec.arts.comics.creative,rec.arts.comics.info Subject: CFV: moderate rec.arts.comics.creative Followup-To: poster Date: 12 Nov 1996 00:08:47 -0000 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 132 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 4 Dec 1996 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: rec.arts.comics.creative Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:9341 news.groups:238714 rec.arts.anime.creative:761 rec.arts.comics.creative:7878 rec.arts.comics.info:5730                       FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)  moderated group rec.arts.comics.creative (moderates existing group)  Newsgroups line: rec.arts.comics.creative	Comics-related original creative writing. (Moderated)  Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 3 Dec 1996.  This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  Direct questions about the proposed group to the proponent.  Do not distribute this CFV or the information contained in it in any form without the votetaker's permission.  Proponent: Russ Allbery <[email protected]> Votetaker: Jani Patokallio <[email protected]>  RATIONALE: rec.arts.comics.creative  The original conception of rec.arts.comics.creative was as a fairly low-traffic, high-signal home for the large variety of comics-related stories and shared universes on the Net.  Moderation was seriously considered in the original group proposal but rejected largely because no one was in a position to moderate the group.  Recently, rec.arts.comics.creative has suffered from a rash of off-topic articles, to the point where upwards of 80% of the group has been noise.  The on-topic traffic for the group is normally a small number of fairly long posts, and thus is easily drowned out by lots of off-topic posts.  Moderation will allow the group to return to its original purpose, as well as allow enforcement of a keyword system.  racc's counterpart in the anime hierarchy, rec.arts.anime.creative, has been moderated since the original creation of the group.  CHARTER: rec.arts.comics.creative  This newsgroup welcomes any form of comics-related original fiction and discussion of the same, including but not limited to stories in the many established shared universes.  Discussion of on-line fiction as a whole is also welcome provided that it is related to the stories on the newsgroup.  If they choose to write in an existing shared universe, writers are strongly encouranged to follow the existing continuity and rules of that universe.  "Comics-related" will be interpreted very broadly, as has been traditional on the newsgroup.  Each posting to rec.arts.comics.creative should include a keyword on the subject line either designating which shared universe the posting refers to or marking the general subject of the post (ADMIN, META, MISC, etc.).  If a submitted post does not have a keyword, the moderator will add an appropriate keyword, but posters are encouraged to add keywords themselves to save moderation work.  Large binaries, such as artwork, will not be allowed on the newsgroup. Instead, binaries can be made available in the newsgroup archive (subject to the discretion of the archivist) and a pointer posted to the newsgroup.  Pointers to Web pages are also welcome, provided the content of the page is related to the purpose of the group.  Stories using copyrighted or trademarked characters are explicitly not within the charter of this group and may be rejected unless the author owns the copyrights and trademarks or has written permission from the owner.  Networking posts (artists seeking writers or writers seeking artists) are inappropriate in this group and should be sent to appropriate mailing lists or other groups in the rec.arts.comics.* hierarchy (rec.arts.comics.misc if there is no other more appropriate group).  END CHARTER.  MODERATOR INFO: rec.arts.comics.creative  Moderator: Russ Allbery <[email protected]> Moderator: Chris Gumprich <[email protected]> Moderator: Mike Friedman <[email protected]> Moderator: Patricia Wright <[email protected]> Administrative contact address: [email protected] Article submission address: [email protected]  END MODERATOR INFO.  HOW TO VOTE:  Follow these instructions *exactly*!  Votes are counted by computer. You should send E-MAIL (posts to a newsgroup are invalid) to:      [email protected]  Please do not assume that just replying to this message will work. Check the address before you mail your vote.  Your mail message should contain one and only one of the following vote statements:      I vote YES on moderating rec.arts.comics.creative     I vote NO on moderating rec.arts.comics.creative      Voter name:  If your mail software does not indicate your real name (for example, AOL and Delphi do not), include _exactly_ the statement above on a _separate_ line and add your name after the colon.  Having your name in your signature line is NOT enough!  Do NOT join the lines together or remove the words "Voter name"!  You may also vote ABSTAIN (which does exactly that) or CANCEL (which removes any earlier votes).  ABSTAIN does not affect the final vote count in any way but is listed, whereas CANCEL is not.  IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES:  Standard Guidelines for voting apply.  One account per person and one vote per person.  Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid.  Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered to be anonymous votes.  Vote counting is automated.  Failure to follow these directions may mean that your vote does not get counted.  If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker about the problem.  It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.  Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote.  Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results post.  The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of persons who would read a proposed newsgroup.  Soliciting votes from disinterested parties defeats this purpose.  Please do not distribute this CFV.  If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups.  Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud. When in doubt, ask the votetaker.  --  Jani Patokallio <[email protected]> Voting address: <[email protected]>  From [email protected] Fri Nov 22 10:24:35 1996 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Jani Patokallio <[email protected]> Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.anime.creative,rec.arts.comics.creative,rec.arts.comics.info Subject: 2nd CFV: moderate rec.arts.comics.creative Supersedes: <[email protected]> Followup-To: poster Date: 22 Nov 1996 15:24:33 -0000 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 132 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 4 Dec 1996 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: rec.arts.comics.creative Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:9379 news.groups:240074 rec.arts.anime.creative:822 rec.arts.comics.creative:7954 rec.arts.comics.info:5814                        LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)  moderated group rec.arts.comics.creative (moderates existing group)  Newsgroups line: rec.arts.comics.creative	Comics-related original creative writing. (Moderated)  Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 3 Dec 1996.  This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  Direct questions about the proposed group to the proponent.  Do not distribute this CFV or the information contained in it in any form without the votetaker's permission.  Proponent: Russ Allbery <[email protected]> Votetaker: Jani Patokallio <[email protected]>  RATIONALE: rec.arts.comics.creative  The original conception of rec.arts.comics.creative was as a fairly low-traffic, high-signal home for the large variety of comics-related stories and shared universes on the Net.  Moderation was seriously considered in the original group proposal but rejected largely because no one was in a position to moderate the group.  Recently, rec.arts.comics.creative has suffered from a rash of off-topic articles, to the point where upwards of 80% of the group has been noise.  The on-topic traffic for the group is normally a small number of fairly long posts, and thus is easily drowned out by lots of off-topic posts.  Moderation will allow the group to return to its original purpose, as well as allow enforcement of a keyword system.  racc's counterpart in the anime hierarchy, rec.arts.anime.creative, has been moderated since the original creation of the group.  CHARTER: rec.arts.comics.creative  This newsgroup welcomes any form of comics-related original fiction and discussion of the same, including but not limited to stories in the many established shared universes.  Discussion of on-line fiction as a whole is also welcome provided that it is related to the stories on the newsgroup.  If they choose to write in an existing shared universe, writers are strongly encouranged to follow the existing continuity and rules of that universe.  "Comics-related" will be interpreted very broadly, as has been traditional on the newsgroup.  Each posting to rec.arts.comics.creative should include a keyword on the subject line either designating which shared universe the posting refers to or marking the general subject of the post (ADMIN, META, MISC, etc.).  If a submitted post does not have a keyword, the moderator will add an appropriate keyword, but posters are encouraged to add keywords themselves to save moderation work.  Large binaries, such as artwork, will not be allowed on the newsgroup. Instead, binaries can be made available in the newsgroup archive (subject to the discretion of the archivist) and a pointer posted to the newsgroup.  Pointers to Web pages are also welcome, provided the content of the page is related to the purpose of the group.  Stories using copyrighted or trademarked characters are explicitly not within the charter of this group and may be rejected unless the author owns the copyrights and trademarks or has written permission from the owner.  Networking posts (artists seeking writers or writers seeking artists) are inappropriate in this group and should be sent to appropriate mailing lists or other groups in the rec.arts.comics.* hierarchy (rec.arts.comics.misc if there is no other more appropriate group).  END CHARTER.  MODERATOR INFO: rec.arts.comics.creative  Moderator: Russ Allbery <[email protected]> Moderator: Chris Gumprich <[email protected]> Moderator: Mike Friedman <[email protected]> Moderator: Patricia Wright <[email protected]> Administrative contact address: [email protected] Article submission address: [email protected]  END MODERATOR INFO.  HOW TO VOTE:  Follow these instructions *exactly*!  Votes are counted by computer. You should send E-MAIL (posts to a newsgroup are invalid) to:      [email protected]  Please do not assume that just replying to this message will work. Check the address before you mail your vote.  Your mail message should contain one and only one of the following vote statements:      I vote YES on moderating rec.arts.comics.creative     I vote NO on moderating rec.arts.comics.creative      Voter name:  If your mail software does not indicate your real name (for example, AOL and Delphi do not), include _exactly_ the statement above on a _separate_ line and add your name after the colon.  Having your name in your signature line is NOT enough!  Do NOT join the lines together or remove the words "Voter name"!  You may also vote ABSTAIN (which does exactly that) or CANCEL (which removes any earlier votes).  ABSTAIN does not affect the final vote count in any way but is listed, whereas CANCEL is not.  IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES:  Standard Guidelines for voting apply.  One account per person and one vote per person.  Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid.  Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered to be anonymous votes.  Vote counting is automated.  Failure to follow these directions may mean that your vote does not get counted.  If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker about the problem.  It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.  Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote.  Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results post.  The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of persons who would read a proposed newsgroup.  Soliciting votes from disinterested parties defeats this purpose.  Please do not distribute this CFV.  If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups.  Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud. When in doubt, ask the votetaker.  --  Jani Patokallio <[email protected]> Voting address: <[email protected]>  From [email protected] Wed Dec  4 12:49:21 1996 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Jani Patokallio <[email protected]> Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.anime.creative,rec.arts.comics.creative,rec.arts.comics.info Subject: RESULT: moderate rec.arts.comics.creative passes 136:20 Supersedes: <[email protected]> Followup-To: news.groups Date: 4 Dec 1996 12:49:18 -0500 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 256 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: rec.arts.comics.creative Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:9421 news.groups:241457 rec.arts.anime.creative:876 rec.arts.comics.creative:8025 rec.arts.comics.info:5920                                  RESULT moderated group rec.arts.comics.creative (moderates existing group) passes 136:20  There were 136 YES votes and 20 NO votes, for a total of 156 valid votes.  For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes.   There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.  There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.  If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter.  Newsgroups line: rec.arts.comics.creative	Comics-related original creative writing. (Moderated)  The voting period closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 3 Dec 1996.  This vote was conducted by a neutral third party.  Direct questions about the proposed group to the proponent.  Do not distribute this CFV or the information contained in it in any form without the votetaker's permission.  Proponent: Russ Allbery <[email protected]> Votetaker: Jani Patokallio <[email protected]>  RATIONALE: rec.arts.comics.creative  The original conception of rec.arts.comics.creative was as a fairly low-traffic, high-signal home for the large variety of comics-related stories and shared universes on the Net.  Moderation was seriously considered in the original group proposal but rejected largely because no one was in a position to moderate the group.  Recently, rec.arts.comics.creative has suffered from a rash of off-topic articles, to the point where upwards of 80% of the group has been noise.  The on-topic traffic for the group is normally a small number of fairly long posts, and thus is easily drowned out by lots of off-topic posts.  Moderation will allow the group to return to its original purpose, as well as allow enforcement of a keyword system.  racc's counterpart in the anime hierarchy, rec.arts.anime.creative, has been moderated since the original creation of the group.  CHARTER: rec.arts.comics.creative  This newsgroup welcomes any form of comics-related original fiction and discussion of the same, including but not limited to stories in the many established shared universes.  Discussion of on-line fiction as a whole is also welcome provided that it is related to the stories on the newsgroup.  If they choose to write in an existing shared universe, writers are strongly encouranged to follow the existing continuity and rules of that universe.  "Comics-related" will be interpreted very broadly, as has been traditional on the newsgroup.  Each posting to rec.arts.comics.creative should include a keyword on the subject line either designating which shared universe the posting refers to or marking the general subject of the post (ADMIN, META, MISC, etc.).  If a submitted post does not have a keyword, the moderator will add an appropriate keyword, but posters are encouraged to add keywords themselves to save moderation work.  Large binaries, such as artwork, will not be allowed on the newsgroup. Instead, binaries can be made available in the newsgroup archive (subject to the discretion of the archivist) and a pointer posted to the newsgroup.  Pointers to Web pages are also welcome, provided the content of the page is related to the purpose of the group.  Stories using copyrighted or trademarked characters are explicitly not within the charter of this group and may be rejected unless the author owns the copyrights and trademarks or has written permission from the owner.  Networking posts (artists seeking writers or writers seeking artists) are inappropriate in this group and should be sent to appropriate mailing lists or other groups in the rec.arts.comics.* hierarchy (rec.arts.comics.misc if there is no other more appropriate group).  END CHARTER.  MODERATOR INFO: rec.arts.comics.creative  Moderator: Russ Allbery <[email protected]> Moderator: Chris Gumprich <[email protected]> Moderator: Mike Friedman <[email protected]> Moderator: Patricia Wright <[email protected]> Administrative contact address: [email protected] Article submission address: [email protected]  END MODERATOR INFO.  rec.arts.comics.creative moderation Final Vote Ack  Voted Yes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                                             Aaron MacRae [email protected]                                              Andrew Black [email protected]                                              Ben Rawluk [email protected]                                 Alejandros Diamandidis [email protected]                                             Lawrence W. Homer [email protected]                                                   Aapo Haapanen [email protected]                                                 Abhay Khosla [email protected]                                  Austin George Loomis [email protected]                                                 Andy Latto [email protected]                             J. S. Connell" <[email protected]> [email protected]                                         Stephanie da Silva [email protected]                                             Aaron S. Veenstra [email protected]                                                Max Chittister [email protected]                                        Benjamin L. Brown [email protected]                                              Bill Adams [email protected]                                          Jeremy Billones [email protected]                                                   Alex Feely [email protected]                                               Brucha S. Meyers [email protected]                                          Niels Olof Bouvin [email protected]                                              Stephane Bura [email protected]                                             Thom Byxbe [email protected]                                        Byron Molix [email protected]                     Christopher E. Meadows [email protected]                            Candy Veenstra Goulette [email protected]                                            Chris Angelini [email protected]                                                   Pam Smith [email protected]                                               Alex van Vucht [email protected]                                 Chris Siebenmann [email protected]                                       Scott Delahunt [email protected]                                                  CyberPro [email protected]                                   Daniel Rybowski [email protected]                                                 David Conner [email protected]                                                  Dan Morris [email protected]                                             Robert T. Wynne=09 [email protected]                                                   Jeff Barnes [email protected]                             Dave Van Domelen [email protected]                                            Drew Zeigler [email protected]                                               Danny Sichel [email protected]                                         Benjamin Elijah Griffin [email protected]                                                  Francis A Uy [email protected]                                                  Chris Hutts [email protected]                                         Hubert Bartels [email protected]                                                   Davey Jones [email protected]                    Cornelius Goetz von Olenhusen [email protected]                                    Brent M. Sutherland [email protected]                                  Jessica Ihimaera-Smiler [email protected]                                          Jamas Enright [email protected]                                                  John David Galt [email protected]                         [email protected] [email protected]                                                Jeremy Nixon [email protected]                                                   Joel N. Fischoff [email protected]                                                 John Heaton [email protected]                                     John Morgan [email protected]                                               Jon Robertson [email protected]                                                   Joseph Palmer [email protected]                                         J. Porter Clark [email protected]                                      Joshua Kreitzer [email protected]                                 Katharine Weizel [email protected]                                       Katie Schwarz [email protected]                                                        Ken Bibb [email protected]                           Kimmo Ketolainen +358 40 555 5508 [email protected]*.--remove.the.star.to.reply                      Ken Lucke [email protected]                                                Kyle Lucke [email protected]                                  K. Michael Wilcox [email protected]                                                Jay Laefer [email protected]                                                    Jack Grimes [email protected]                                         Jonathan Lennox [email protected]                         Matthias Dietz-Lenssen [email protected]                                  Martin Schr"oder [email protected]                                               Laurie Gerholz [email protected]                          Richard Charles Graves [email protected]                                                Larry W. Virden [email protected]                                              Michael A. Chary [email protected]                                                  Marc Singer [email protected]                                     Joshua J. Friedman [email protected]                                           Matthew Lewis [email protected]                                           Michael D Friedman [email protected]                                         Richard Merkle [email protected]                                              M.H. Clark [email protected]                                         Michael Niedecken [email protected]                                        Mikko Uusitalo [email protected]                                            Greg Morrow [email protected]                           John Nicholas Mosqueda [email protected]                                               Mike Escutia [email protected]                                           Michael T Pins [email protected]                                    Marcus Jackson [email protected]                                       Christian Weisgerber [email protected]                                                 Nick Waterman [email protected]                                                 Karin Burton [email protected]                                 Ollivier Robert [email protected]                                              Didier Bretin [email protected]                                        Patricia Wright [email protected]                                                Trevor Tymchuk [email protected]                                        Louis-Philippe Giroux [email protected]                                                     Paulo Melo [email protected]                                                  Philip Moyer [email protected]                                               Raphael Quinet [email protected]                                        Raymond Bingham [email protected]                                         Bob Gansler [email protected]                                          Austin Armatys [email protected]                                             Richard H. Miller [email protected]                                 Rebecca G. McQuitty [email protected]                                            Ronnie Grant [email protected]                                            Rory McLean [email protected]                                               Russ Allbery [email protected]                                          Dan Rudolph [email protected]                                    Russ Smith [email protected]                                         Saxon Brenton [email protected]                                                     Jonathan Davis [email protected]                                     J. Alan Septimus [email protected]                                               Silas Dunsmore [email protected]                                            H. Jameel al Khafiz [email protected]                                                Steven Thesken [email protected]                                             David S. Carter [email protected]                                                 Jesse "SW" Taylor [email protected]                                          Gary W. Olson [email protected]                                      Matthijs Sypkens Smit [email protected]                                                   Christian Taube [email protected]                                                      James Kiley [email protected]                                                Todd C. Lawson [email protected]                                              Tom Hageman [email protected]                                     T. Troy McNemar, Esq. [email protected]                                        Chris Gumprich [email protected]                                               Rick Rechowicz [email protected]                                              Carolyn Vaughan [email protected]                                          Marco R. Vervoort [email protected]                                      William Sudderth [email protected]                                                        Bill May [email protected]                                        Andrew D. Woodard [email protected]                                                  Stephen Reid [email protected]                                 Suika Roberts [email protected]                                   Craig Wyllie [email protected]                                       Yeechang Lee [email protected]                                                David Menendez [email protected]                                                    Erik Veit [email protected]                                                  Mark Atwood  Voted No ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                                           Arthur Spitzer [email protected]                                             Martin H. Booda [email protected]                                            John Lowther [email protected]                                                John Leslie [email protected]                                                    Michael Craft [email protected]                                                   Hasnain Khan [email protected]                                                  Kimagure [email protected]                                                  Kim DeVaughn [email protected]                                     Lora Wagers [email protected]                                              Aaron Marquez [email protected]                                               Dolores Scaldini [email protected]                                 Mustafa Soysal MS57 [email protected]                                             Olav Nieuwejaar [email protected]                                           Patrick J. LoPresti [email protected]                                                 gopal g [email protected]                                                      Shrisha Rao [email protected]                                                  Dwight Brown [email protected]                                              Chris Stamper [email protected]                                                  N.T. Wakelyn [email protected]                                                 Ned Fleming  --  Jani Patokallio <[email protected]> Voting address: <[email protected]> 
 
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