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From [email protected] Tue Feb 18 00:07:04 1992 Flags: 000000000201 To: [email protected] Path: uunet!dino!mehl From: [email protected] (Mark M Mehl) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,rec.folk-dancing,news.groups,soc.singles,soc.college,soc.couples,rec.music.misc,rec.arts.misc,rec.misc,soc.misc Subject: CALL FOR DISCUSSION:  Creation of rec.arts.dance Keywords: ballroom_dance_latin_modern_swing, posted Date: 9 Feb 90 20:21:46 GMT Sender: [email protected] Reply-To: [email protected] Followup-To: news.groups Organization: Dept of EE/CprE -- IOWA STATE UNIV Lines: 70    About in October, someone posted a query to news.groups asking if there was interest in starting a modern-dance news group.  Then, in December, another posting by someone else suggested starting a ballroom-dance news group.  Afterwards, the idea got kicked about in e-mail, then in the rec.folk-dancing news group in late December and early January.  Suggestions to expand the charter of rec.folk-dancing to include a broader forum were met with "very" mixed feelings.  More discussions followed in e-mail, which produced the following new group proposal.  The rec.arts.dance Charter -------------------------- This is to be an unmoderated discussion forum on all dance forms and issues not already represented on Usenet.  Currently, the only dance-oriented news group on Usenet is rec.folk-dancing.  This group is devoted to any folk-dancing form or issue.  This includes international folk, contra, square, round, cajun (including two-step), western square, morris, and country-type dancing (clogging).  Currently, this means rec.arts.dance will include discussions on modern, ballet, tap, jazz, ballroom (all swing variants, waltz variants, fox trot, quickstep, cha cha, rumba, samba, tango, mambo, salsa, lambada), polka, disco, hustle, nightclub freestyle, slam (I suppose), and whatever else comes along.  The rec.arts.dance news group will also include discussions about dance troops, specific dancers, camps and workshops, competitions, styling, and equipment.  Moreover, this group welcomes queries concerning what dance clubs or organizations are in your area (please use restricted distribution) and how to get started dancing.  Music issues may be cross-posted to this group provided that the already established rec.music.* groups on Usenet lack the proper audience focus for the discussion.  For example, the question: "Where can I get good tango music on CD?" is targeted at dance people rather than music listeners; therefore, cross-posting to rec.arts.dance and rec.music.cd (or rec.music.misc) with followups to rec.music.cd would be appropriate.  Another example question might be "Where can we get latin-style dance music for a standard jazz ensemble?", which could be cross-posted to rec.music.makers and rec.arts.dance with followups to rec.music.makers.  Again, the dance people will often know bands--which may not read Usenet--that would be willing to share/sell arrangements.  Although some forms of dance maybe inappropriate under the "arts" classification (e.g. freestyle, slam), dancing--in general--is considered an art form like music; therefore, we strongly believe dance groups belong in the rec.arts.* hierarchy along with the 15 other established rec.arts groups.  rec.arts.anime     rec.arts.books          rec.arts.comics rec.arts.drwho     rec.arts.int-fiction    rec.arts.misc rec.arts.movies    rec.arts.movies.reviews rec.arts.poems rec.arts.sf-lovers rec.arts.startrek       rec.arts.tv rec.arts.tv.soaps  rec.arts.tv.uk          rec.arts.wobegon  ================  We wish to open discussions for the creation of rec.arts.dance for approximately 3 weeks.  If the prospects look favorable, then a call for votes will follow this discussion period.  Please fell free to post any constructive suggestions concerning the group name or charter during this discussion period.  We appreciate your input and support. --  /\ Mark M Mehl, alias Superticker (Supertickler to some) <><> Internet: [email protected]  \/ UUCP: {{mailrus,umix}!sharkey,hplabs!hp-lsd,uunet}!atanasoff!mehl Disclaimer: You got to be kidding; who would want to claim anything I said?   From [email protected] Tue Feb 18 00:32:20 1992 Flags: 000000000201 From: [email protected] (Mark M Mehl) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,rec.folk-dancing,news.groups,soc.singles,soc.college,soc.couples,rec.music.misc,rec.arts.misc,rec.misc,soc.misc Subject: CALL FOR VOTES:  Creation of rec.arts.dance Keywords: dance_ballroom_country_ballet_swing_folk, posted Date: 12 Mar 90 18:03:10 GMT Reply-To: [email protected] Followup-To: poster Organization: Dept of EE/CprE -- IOWA STATE UNIV Lines: 118   This is a call for votes to create rec.arts.dance; this will be a new news group to discuss all aspects and types of dancing not already represented on Usenet.  About in October, someone posted a query to news.groups asking if there was interest in starting a modern-dance news group.  Then, in December, a different posting suggested starting a ballroom-dance news group.  The idea got kicked around in the rec.folk-dancing news group in late December and early January.  Suggestions to expand the charter of rec.folk-dancing to include a broader forum were met with "very" mixed feelings.  More discussions followed in e-mail, which produced this new group proposal.  This proposal was officially posted to Usenet on February 9, a little over three weeks ago.  The several followups to news.groups were generally positive, and all the e-mail we received were positive.  The e-mail did, however, uncover an ambiguity concerning whether country and western dance forms are welcome in rec.arts.dance, since many people consider these a form of "American folk" dance that would belong in rec.folk-dancing.  Since preceptions differ widely between people, as to what is American folk dance and what is not, we are including the country and western dance forms in both rec.arts.dance and rec.folk-dancing.  A third "new" paragraph has been added to the rec.arts.dance charter (below) that elaborates this addition.  Now it's time to vote.  Voting will begin now and will continue until April 3.  To cast a vote, first use the Reply command of your news reader (R for nn) to respond to this message, then change the word "the" in the To: line of your response to either "yes" or "no".  When complete, the To: line should read:  To: yes_vote_rad%[email protected]        If you're voting for the creation of rec.arts.dance  --OR--  To: no_vote_rad%[email protected]        If you're voting against creating rec.arts.dance  If you're on BITNET, you may cast your "yes" or "no" vote by e-mailing to [email protected] or [email protected] respectively.  Please note that voting will NOT be done on my machine.  If you have any comments or suggestions about the group, your welcome to e-mail me at my signature address--on the From line-- (or at [email protected] if the other fails).  We will be posting two or three "mass acknowledgements" to news.announce.newgroups listing who voted.  Please check these listings to be sure your vote was successfully registered.  Have a great day, and keep on dancing.  --Mark   The rec.arts.dance Charter -------------------------- This is to be an unmoderated discussion forum on all dance forms and issues not already represented on Usenet.  Currently, the only dance-oriented news group on Usenet is rec.folk-dancing.  This group is devoted to any folk-dancing form or issue.  This includes international folk, contra, square, round, cajun (including two-step), western square, morris, and country-type dancing (clogging).  Currently, this means rec.arts.dance will include discussions on modern, ballet, tap, jazz, ballroom (all swing variants, waltz variants, fox trot, quickstep, cha cha, rumba, samba, tango, mambo, salsa, lambada), polka, disco, hustle, nightclub freestyle, belly, slam (I suppose), and whatever else comes along.  Country and western dancing pose a special problem.  Whereas, just over a majority of the people considered them "American folk" dances, many people do not; this is a gray area as one person put it.  For people's convenience then, one may wish to cross post country- and western-dance discussions to both groups with a Followup-To line directed to rec.folk-dancing.  This way, everyone will see it.  The rec.arts.dance news group will also include discussions about dance troops, specific dancers, camps and workshops, competitions, styling, and equipment.  Moreover, this group welcomes queries concerning what dance clubs or organizations are in your area (please use restricted distribution) and how to get started dancing.  Music issues may be cross-posted to this group provided that the already established rec.music.* groups on Usenet lack the proper audience focus for the discussion.  For example, the question: "Where can I get good tango music on CD?" is targeted at dance people rather than music listeners; therefore, cross-posting to rec.arts.dance and rec.music.cd (or rec.music.misc) with followups to rec.music.cd would be appropriate.  Another example question might be "Where can we get latin-style dance music for a standard jazz ensemble?", which could be cross-posted to rec.music.makers and rec.arts.dance with followups to rec.music.makers.  Again, the dance people will often know bands--which may not read Usenet--that would be willing to share/sell arrangements.  Although some forms of dance maybe inappropriate under the "arts" classification (e.g. freestyle, slam), dancing--in general--is considered an art form like music; therefore, we strongly believe dance groups belong in the rec.arts.* hierarchy along with the 15 other established rec.arts groups.  rec.arts.anime     rec.arts.books          rec.arts.comics rec.arts.drwho     rec.arts.int-fiction    rec.arts.misc rec.arts.movies    rec.arts.movies.reviews rec.arts.poems rec.arts.sf-lovers rec.arts.startrek       rec.arts.tv rec.arts.tv.soaps  rec.arts.tv.uk          rec.arts.wobegon   Thanks for voting.  We appreciate your interest and support. --  /\ Mark M Mehl, alias Superticker (Supertickler to some) <><> Internet: [email protected]  \/ UUCP: {{mailrus,umix}!sharkey,hplabs!hp-lsd,uunet}!atanasoff!mehl Disclaimer: You got to be kidding; who would want to claim anything I said?   From [email protected] Tue Feb 18 00:35:00 1992 Date: Fri, 16 Mar 90 15:04:50 EST Flags: 000000000201 From: [email protected] (The Vote Taker) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,rec.folk-dancing,news.groups,soc.singles,soc.college,soc.couples,rec.music.misc,rec.arts.misc,rec.misc,soc.misc Distribution: world Subject: CALL FOR VOTES:  rec.arts.dance  (vote bouncing fixed) Keywords: dance_ballroom_country_ballet_swing_folk, posted Reply-To: [email protected] Followup-To: news.groups Organization: Dept of EE/CprE -- IOWA STATE UNIV   [There was a screwup with rec.arts.dance.  Here's the corrected posting.-eliot]  This is a call for votes to create rec.arts.dance; this will be a new news group to discuss all aspects and types of dancing not already represented on Usenet.  About in October, someone posted a query to news.groups asking if there was interest in starting a modern-dance news group.  Then, in December, a different posting suggested starting a ballroom-dance news group.  The idea got kicked around in the rec.folk-dancing news group in late December and early January.  Suggestions to expand the charter of rec.folk-dancing to include a broader forum were met with "very" mixed feelings.  More discussions followed in e-mail, which produced this new group proposal.  This proposal was officially posted to Usenet on February 9, a little over three weeks ago.  The several followups to news.groups were generally positive, and all the e-mail we received were positive.  The e-mail did, however, uncover an ambiguity concerning whether country and western dance forms are welcome in rec.arts.dance, since many people consider these a form of "American folk" dance that would belong in rec.folk-dancing.  Since preceptions differ widely between people, as to what is American folk dance and what is not, we are including the country and western dance forms in both rec.arts.dance and rec.folk-dancing.  A third "new" paragraph has been added to the rec.arts.dance charter (below) that elaborates this addition.  Now it's time to vote.  Voting will begin now and will continue until April 10.  To cast a vote, first use the Reply command of your news reader (R for nn) to respond to this message, then change the word "the" in the To: line of your response to either "yes" or "no".  When complete, the To: line should read:  To: yes_vote_rad%[email protected]        If you're voting for the creation of rec.arts.dance  --OR--  To: no_vote_rad%[email protected]        If you're voting against creating rec.arts.dance  If you're on BITNET, you may cast your "yes" or "no" vote by e-mailing to [email protected] or [email protected] respectively.  Please note that voting will NOT be done on my machine.  If you have any comments or suggestions about the group, your welcome to e-mail me at my signature address--on the From line-- (or at [email protected] if the other fails).  We will be posting two or three "mass acknowledgements" to news.announce.newgroups listing who voted.  Please check these listings to be sure your vote was successfully registered.  Have a great day, and keep on dancing.  --Mark   The rec.arts.dance Charter -------------------------- This is to be an unmoderated discussion forum on all dance forms and issues not already represented on Usenet.  Currently, the only dance-oriented news group on Usenet is rec.folk-dancing.  This group is devoted to any folk-dancing form or issue.  This includes international folk, contra, square, round, cajun (including two-step), western square, morris, and country-type dancing (clogging).  Currently, this means rec.arts.dance will include discussions on modern, ballet, tap, jazz, ballroom (all swing variants, waltz variants, fox trot, quickstep, cha cha, rumba, samba, tango, mambo, salsa, lambada), polka, disco, hustle, nightclub freestyle, belly, slam (I suppose), and whatever else comes along.  Country and western dancing pose a special problem.  Whereas, just over a majority of the people considered them "American folk" dances, many people do not; this is a gray area as one person put it.  For people's convenience then, one may wish to cross post country- and western-dance discussions to both groups with a Followup-To line directed to rec.folk-dancing.  This way, everyone will see it.  The rec.arts.dance news group will also include discussions about dance troops, specific dancers, camps and workshops, competitions, styling, and equipment.  Moreover, this group welcomes queries concerning what dance clubs or organizations are in your area (please use restricted distribution) and how to get started dancing.  Music issues may be cross-posted to this group provided that the already established rec.music.* groups on Usenet lack the proper audience focus for the discussion.  For example, the question: "Where can I get good tango music on CD?" is targeted at dance people rather than music listeners; therefore, cross-posting to rec.arts.dance and rec.music.cd (or rec.music.misc) with followups to rec.music.cd would be appropriate.  Another example question might be "Where can we get latin-style dance music for a standard jazz ensemble?", which could be cross-posted to rec.music.makers and rec.arts.dance with followups to rec.music.makers.  Again, the dance people will often know bands--which may not read Usenet--that would be willing to share/sell arrangements.  Although some forms of dance maybe inappropriate under the "arts" classification (e.g. freestyle, slam), dancing--in general--is considered an art form like music; therefore, we strongly believe dance groups belong in the rec.arts.* hierarchy along with the 15 other established rec.arts groups.  rec.arts.anime     rec.arts.books          rec.arts.comics rec.arts.drwho     rec.arts.int-fiction    rec.arts.misc rec.arts.movies    rec.arts.movies.reviews rec.arts.poems rec.arts.sf-lovers rec.arts.startrek       rec.arts.tv rec.arts.tv.soaps  rec.arts.tv.uk          rec.arts.wobegon   Thanks for voting.  We appreciate your interest and support. --  /\ Mark M Mehl, alias Superticker (Supertickler to some) <><> Internet: [email protected]  \/ UUCP: {{mailrus,umix}!sharkey,hplabs!hp-lsd,uunet}!atanasoff!mehl Disclaimer: You got to be kidding; who would want to claim anything I said?   From [email protected] Tue Feb 18 00:41:22 1992 Flags: 000000000201 From: Terry J. Wood <[email protected]> Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups Subject: Rec.arts.dance vote:  MASS ACKNOWLEDGEMENT Keywords: dance_ballroom_country_ballet_swing, posted Date: 28 Mar 90 22:55:36 GMT Followup-To: [email protected] Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh, Computing & Information Services Lines: 212   This is a mass acknowledgement listing everyone who voted (so far) on the proposed new newsgroup rec.arts.dance; this new newsgroup--if adopted--will provide a forum to discuss all aspects and types of dancing not already represented on Usenet.   We would like to thank everyone that has already voted.  Due to some possible e-mail problems, be sure to check the voter's list to verify that your vote has been received.  If it doesn't appear, please use the instructions in this posting to vote again.  The list should reflect all votes received since Wednesday afternoon, March 28.  Voting will continue until April 10.    Votes have been received from:  "[email protected]"  "agin%[email protected]"  "ahsu%[email protected]"  "[email protected]"  "[email protected]" "arleneh%[email protected]"  "[email protected]" "[email protected]" "[email protected]"  "Brian A. Mermon"  "[email protected]"  "Thomas Gramstad"  "[email protected]" "Ben Carter" "[email protected]"  "Bill Rompala"  "[email protected]"  "Meyer" "[email protected]"  "[email protected]"  "J. Dean Brock"  "[email protected]"  "[email protected]"  "Christopher Pettus"  "[email protected]"  "[email protected]"  "Charleen Bunjiovianna"  "cisvms::wwast2" "[email protected]"  "[email protected]" "[email protected]"  "Jim Coble"  "[email protected]itt.edu"  "[email protected]"  "Christopher Tate"  "[email protected]"  "[email protected]" "[email protected]"  "Dave Elliott"  "davew%[email protected]"  "David C. White"  "[email protected]" "[email protected]"  "[email protected]"  "Don B. Larson"  "[email protected]"  "Denys Proteau" "[email protected]"  "Dennis R. Sherman"  "[email protected]" "[email protected]"  "[email protected]"  "[email protected]"  "[email protected]"  "[email protected]"  "Franklin Davis"  "[email protected]"  "gjm%[email protected]"  "[email protected]"  "[email protected]" "[email protected]"  "[email protected]" "[email protected]" "[email protected]"  "Dan Hoey"  "[email protected]" "[email protected]"  "[email protected]"  "[email protected]"  "Jeremy York"  "[email protected]"  "[email protected]"  "[email protected]"  "Jeffrey James Bryan Carpenter"  "[email protected]"  "John Lawler"  "[email protected]"  "[email protected]"  "[email protected]"  "Kamesh Ramakrishna" "karinc%[email protected]"  "Karin Coffee"  "[email protected]"  "Kathryn Black" "[email protected]"  "[email protected]"  "Armein Langi"  "[email protected]" "lee%[email protected]"   "[email protected]"  "Jonathan Leech"  "[email protected]"  "[email protected]"  "Lisa Sieverts"  "[email protected]"  "[email protected]"  "[email protected]"  "[email protected]"  "[email protected]" "[email protected]" "[email protected]"  "[email protected]"  "[email protected]" "[email protected]"  "Mark Brader" "[email protected]"  "Menno Jonkers"  "[email protected]"  "[email protected]" "[email protected]"  "[email protected]"  "pasek%[email protected]"  "[email protected]"  "Peter Castagna" "[email protected]"  "pjc%[email protected]"  "Peter Crowther"  "[email protected]"  "[email protected]"  "[email protected]"  "Richard H. Miller" "[email protected]"  "rmd%[email protected]"  "Rhod Davies"  "[email protected]"  "Jim Roche" "[email protected]"  "Joe Rodrigue"  "[email protected]"  "Donald F. Ross"  "[email protected]"  "Robin C. LaPasha"  "[email protected]"  "ryan%[email protected]"  "Daniel R. Guilderson"  "[email protected]"  "[email protected] (Tajinder Pal Singh)"  "[email protected]"  "Steve Fagg"  "[email protected]"  "Stacy Weaver"  "[email protected]"  "Edward Stanford"  "[email protected]"  "Stefni Agin"  "stein%[email protected]"  "stosc::[email protected]" "[email protected]"  "John Streich"  "[email protected]"  "[email protected]"  "[email protected]"  "Louise Tamres"  "[email protected]"  "Tom True"  "ti0rah1%[email protected]"  "RICK HOEFER 753-6164"  "[email protected]"  "[email protected]" "[email protected]"  "[email protected]" "[email protected]"  "[email protected]"  "Teresa Schulz"  "[email protected]"  "[email protected]" "[email protected]" "[email protected]"  "[email protected]" "[email protected]"  "[email protected]"  "[email protected]"  "[email protected]"  "Yary Richard Phillip Hluchan"  "[email protected]"  "Yaakov Kayman"  "[email protected]"  ----------------------------------------------------------------------  How to Vote -----------  To cast a vote, first use the Reply command of your news reader (R for nn) to respond to this message, then change the word "the" in the To: line of your response to either "yes" or "no".  When complete, the To: line should read:   To: [email protected]        If you're voting FOR the creation of rec.arts.dance  --OR--  To: [email protected]        If you're voting AGAINST creating rec.arts.dance  If you're on Bitnet, you may cast your "yes" or "no" vote by e-mailing to [email protected] or [email protected] respectively.   If you have any comments or suggestions about the group, your welcome to e-mail Mark Mehl at [email protected] (or at [email protected] if the other fails).   The rec.arts.dance Charter -------------------------- This is to be an unmoderated discussion forum on all dance forms and issues not already represented on Usenet.  Currently, the only dance-oriented news group on Usenet is rec.folk-dancing.  This group is devoted to any folk-dancing form or issue.  This includes international folk, contra, square, round, cajun (including two-step), western square, morris, and country-type dancing (clogging).   Currently, this means rec.arts.dance will include discussions on modern, ballet, tap, jazz, ballroom (all swing variants, waltz variants, fox trot, quickstep, cha cha, rumba, samba, tango, mambo, salsa, lambada), polka, disco, hustle, nightclub freestyle, belly, slam (I suppose), and whatever else comes along.   Country and western dancing pose a special problem.  Whereas, just over a majority of the people considered them "American folk" dances, many people do not; this is a gray area as one person put it.  For people's convenience then, one may wish to cross post country- and western-dance discussions to both groups with a Followup-To line directed to rec.folk-dancing.  This way, everyone will see it.   The rec.arts.dance news group will also include discussions about dance troupes, specific dancers, camps and workshops, competitions, styling, and equipment.  Moreover, this group welcomes queries concerning what dance clubs or organizations are in your area (please use restricted distribution) and how to get started dancing.   Music issues may be cross-posted to this group provided that the already established rec.music.* groups on Usenet lack the proper audience focus for the discussion.  For example, the question: "Where can I get good tango music on CD?" is targeted at dance people rather than music listeners; therefore, cross-posting to rec.arts.dance and rec.music.cd (or rec.music.misc) with followups to rec.music.cd would be appropriate.  Another example question might be "Where can we get latin-style dance music for a standard jazz ensemble?", which could be cross-posted to rec.music.makers and rec.arts.dance with followups to rec.music.makers.  Again, the dance people will often know bands--which may not read Usenet--that would be willing to share/sell arrangements.   Thanks for voting.  We appreciate your interest and support. --  INTERNET: [email protected]  BITNET: [email protected]  CC-NET: 33802::tjw UUCP: {decwrl!decvax!idis, allegra, bellcore}!pitt!unix.cis.pitt.edu!tjw  And if dreams could come true, I'd still be there with you,  On the banks of cold waters at the close of the day. - Craig Johnson    
 
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