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From [email protected] Thu Mar 11 11:31:49 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Peter Horn) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.poems,rec.arts.books,alt.prose,misc.writing,bit.listserv.literary Subject: RFD: rec.arts.prose Followup-To: news.groups Date: 11 Mar 1993 00:54:14 -0500 Organization: UUNET Communications Lines: 19 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Organiztion: University of Cape Town, South Africa Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:3333 news.groups:67869 rec.arts.poems:31893 rec.arts.books:61965 alt.prose:3196 misc.writing:6854 bit.listserv.literary:5065  Discussion: creation of rec.art.prose -------------------------------------  Motivation: ----------- There is a newsgroup rec.art.poems on the net, but none for fictional prose works. There is a group alt.prose, but it does not reach all stations on the net.  Possible Charter: ----------------- A group where writers can post short prose fiction.  Unmoderated at least initially. -------------------------------  If you are interested, please contact: Peter Horn, University of Cape Town. [email protected]  From [email protected] Fri Apr 16 10:39:44 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Peter Horn) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.poems,rec.arts.books,misc.writing,alt.prose,bit.listserv.literary Subject: CFV: rec.arts.prose Followup-To: news.groups Date: 15 Apr 1993 18:15:13 -0400 Organization: uct.ac.za Lines: 72 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:3468 news.groups:69903 rec.arts.poems:33869 rec.arts.books:64738 misc.writing:7390 alt.prose:3305 bit.listserv.literary:5363  Call for votes: Creation of rec.art.prose -----------------------------------------  This is a formal Call For Votes for or against the creation of an unmoderated Usenet newsgroup called "rec.arts.prose".  VOTING PROCEDURES In order to vote, send a message to         [email protected] containing in the Subject: line either `yes' or `no' and 'rec.arts.prose', for example         Subject: I vote YES for rec.arts.prose                                  or         Subject: I vote NO for rec.arts.prose  Letter case does not matter.  If you suspect that either your name or address do not appear correctly in the From: field, include them in the body of your letter.  The voting period will be from April 15 through May 15, 1993. This message will be posted three times during the period. Only votes received during the period will be counted. No more than one vote from the same address can be sent. Votes posted to a newsgroup will not be counted.  VOTE OUTCOME In accordance with the traditions of the Usenet, the newsgroup will be created only if more than 2/3 of the voters vote YES _and_ 100 persons more vote YES than NO.  Proposed Charter: -----------------  A group where writers can post short prose fiction.  Criticism and suggestions on the fiction posted can be posted on the net in rec.arts.prose or by email to the poster.  The group will accomodate discussion of prose fiction in general, similar to the way in which rec.arts.poems allows for posting of poems and discussion.  Posters should keep to the normal length of a short story, approximately 800 lines.  Novel-length prose fiction should be posted in short chapters over a period of time.  Other more technical matters involving writing, such as publication outlets, publishers, journals, and literary agents, are more appropriately discussed in misc.writing.  Discussion of literature in general takes place in bit.listserv.literary and rec.arts.books.   Copyright ---------  As is the case on the Net in general, it is an offence to post copyrighted material without the consent of the copyright owner. Short pieces can be quoted in a discussion, as is the case in academic work on fiction.  Anything posted to the net automatically is copyright protected in countries agreeing to the Berne Convention, and can be republished only with the consent of the author, except where the author expressly releases his posting into the public domain.    To make your intentions clear, posters are advised to add a Copyright 199x by Name of the Author to their posting, if they intend to keep copyright.  Unmoderated at least initially. ------------------------------- Until such time as the traffic is of such a volume, or there are other reasons for introducing a moderated group, the group will be unmoderated. --  Peter Horn, UCT: [email protected]  From [email protected] Wed Apr 28 18:56:21 1993 Path: uunet!tale From: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.poems,rec.arts.books,misc.writing,alt.prose,bit.listserv.literary Subject: Cancelled CFV: rec.arts.prose Followup-To: news.groups Date: 27 Apr 1993 16:48:26 -0400 Organization: UUNET Communications Lines: 30 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:3523 news.groups:70960 rec.arts.poems:34505 rec.arts.books:65508 misc.writing:7613 alt.prose:3361 bit.listserv.literary:5609  The current Call for Votes (CFV) for rec.arts.prose is being cancelled due to an inadvertent breach of commonly accepted proper vote taker behaviour.  In accordance with established precedent for similar situations, this vote can be restarted immediately.  The vote taker targetted individuals who had posted in literature- related groups to receive email copies of the call for votes.  Though there is no written guideline against this, which can be considered nothing but a fault, it is generally accepted by those people who are involved with the newsgroup creation process that such solicitation, even when not actively asking for votes in favour of the proposal, causes further bias in the poll.  This case was actually quite minor, but had the potential to establish a very bad precedent.  Recognizing that this also could lead to much controversy and possibly hurt the chances of creation of the group, the vote taker has elected to step down, while noting his objection to being expected to follow rules that he had never seen documented.  A new vote taker, who is familiar with the conduct of USENET newsgroup creation polls, is being solicited to restart this vote.  If you would like to volunteer, please send a message to [email protected]  A revised version of the newsgroup creation guidelines is in the works which attempts to clarify and improve on many areas of the current guidelines.  They should be available for public review within a month or so, hopefully a few weeks before USENIX.  David Lawrence                          moderator, news.announce.newgroups  From [email protected] Thu May  6 14:55:44 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Ron Dippold) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.poems,rec.arts.books,misc.writing,alt.prose,bit.listserv.literary Subject: CFV: rec.arts.prose Followup-To: poster Date: 30 Apr 1993 18:43:11 -0400 Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA Lines: 98 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:3534 news.groups:71235 rec.arts.poems:34677 rec.arts.books:65755 misc.writing:7688 alt.prose:3378 bit.listserv.literary:5660  [ rec.arts.prose voters - you probably don't know me.  I've run several group votes.  Dave Lawrence wanted the CFV to happen again with a minimum of delay, and I volunteered. -- Ron Dippold ]  CALL FOR VOTES: creation of rec.art.prose  This is a formal Call For Votes for or against the creation of an unmoderated Usenet newsgroup called "rec.arts.prose".  The rationale and charter of the group are given below the voting information.   VOTING  To vote, send a MAIL message to [email protected] (the easiest way to do this in most cases is to just Reply to this message), containing ONE of the following lines in the body of your reply:    I vote FOR the creation of rec.arts.prose   I vote AGAINST the creation of rec.arts.prose  It doesn't have to be exact, but it has to contain "rec.arts.prose" and either "for" "against" "yes" or "no".  The easiest way to do this is to just delete everything except the line that registers your opinion.  You should get an automatic acknowledgement within a few days of receipt of your vote.  Only one vote per person or account.  Mail messages only, no public posts.   VOTING DETAILS  The voting period will be from the time of posting of this message through 11:59 PM GMT May 28, 1993.  Only votes recieved during that time will be counted.  During this period I will be posting two more CFVs and mass acknowledgement lists of all voters.  After the vote is over, I will post the results prior to Monday, May 31, 1993.  This will include a complete list of all voters and how they voted.   VOTE OUTCOME  In accordance with the traditions of the Usenet, the newsgroup will be created only if 2/3 or more of the voters vote YES and there are at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.   VOTER ETHICS  I'm unbiased.  You wouldn't believe how unbiased I am on this...  I don't care whether this passes or not.  Regardless, I pledge not to solict votes for or against the vote.  I will mail copies of the CFV to any who request it or who vote incorrectly and need the CFV to vote again.  Proposed Charter: -----------------  A group where writers can post short prose fiction.  Criticism and suggestions on the fiction posted can be posted on the net in rec.arts.prose or by email to the poster.  The group will accomodate discussion of prose fiction in general, similar to the way in which rec.arts.poems allows for posting of poems and discussion.  Posters should keep to the normal length of a short story, approximately 800 lines.  Novel-length prose fiction should be posted in short chapters over a period of time.  Other more technical matters involving writing, such as publication outlets, publishers, journals, and literary agents, are more appropriately discussed in misc.writing.  Discussion of literature in general takes place in bit.listserv.literary and rec.arts.books.   Copyright ---------  As is the case on the Net in general, it is an offence to post copyrighted material without the consent of the copyright owner. Short pieces can be quoted in a discussion, as is the case in academic work on fiction.  Anything posted to the net automatically is copyright protected in countries agreeing to the Berne Convention, and can be republished only with the consent of the author, except where the author expressly releases his posting into the public domain.    To make your intentions clear, posters are advised to add a Copyright 199x by Name of the Author to their posting, if they intend to keep copyright.  Unmoderated at least initially. ------------------------------- Until such time as the traffic is of such a volume, or there are other reasons for introducing a moderated group, the group will be unmoderated. --  Sorry, Plucky.  Pigs make lousy ninjas! -- Hamton  From [email protected] Tue May 11 08:42:35 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Ron Dippold) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.poems,rec.arts.books,misc.writing,alt.prose,bit.listserv.literary Subject: 2nd CFV and VOTE ACK: rec.arts.prose Followup-To: poster Date: 10 May 1993 12:02:41 -0400 Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA Lines: 200 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:3567 news.groups:71740 rec.arts.poems:35153 rec.arts.books:66330 misc.writing:7865 alt.prose:3404 bit.listserv.literary:5835  CALL FOR VOTES: creation of rec.art.prose  This is a formal Call For Votes for or against the creation of an unmoderated Usenet newsgroup called "rec.arts.prose".  The rationale and charter of the group are given below the voting information.   VOTING  To vote, send a MAIL message to [email protected] (the easiest way to do this in most cases is to just Reply to this message), containing ONE of the following lines in the body of your reply:    I vote FOR the creation of rec.arts.prose   I vote AGAINST the creation of rec.arts.prose  The easiest way to do this is to just delete everything except the line that registers your opinion.  You should get an automatic acknowledgement within a few days of receipt of your vote.  Only one vote per person or account.  Mail messages only, no public posts.   VOTING DETAILS  The voting period will run through 11:59 PM GMT May 28, 1993.  Only votes recieved during that time will be counted.  During this period I will be posting two more CFVs and mass acknowledgement lists of all voters.  After the vote is over, I will post the results prior to Monday, May 31, 1993.  This will include a complete list of all voters and how they voted.   VOTE OUTCOME  In accordance with the traditions of the Usenet, the newsgroup will be created only if 2/3 or more of the voters vote YES and there are at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.   VOTER ETHICS  I'm unbiased.  You wouldn't believe how unbiased I am on this...  I don't care whether this passes or not.  Regardless, I pledge not to solict votes for or against the vote.  I will mail copies of the CFV to any who request it or who vote incorrectly and need the CFV to vote again.    Proposed Charter: -----------------  A group where writers can post short prose fiction.  Criticism and suggestions on the fiction posted can be posted on the net in rec.arts.prose or by email to the poster.  The group will accomodate discussion of prose fiction in general, similar to the way in which rec.arts.poems allows for posting of poems and discussion.  Posters should keep to the normal length of a short story, approximately 800 lines.  Novel-length prose fiction should be posted in short chapters over a period of time.  Other more technical matters involving writing, such as publication outlets, publishers, journals, and literary agents, are more appropriately discussed in misc.writing.  Discussion of literature in general takes place in bit.listserv.literary and rec.arts.books.   Copyright ---------  As is the case on the Net in general, it is an offence to post copyrighted material without the consent of the copyright owner. Short pieces can be quoted in a discussion, as is the case in academic work on fiction.  Anything posted to the net automatically is copyright protected in countries agreeing to the Berne Convention, and can be republished only with the consent of the author, except where the author expressly releases his posting into the public domain.    To make your intentions clear, posters are advised to add a Copyright 199x by Name of the Author to their posting, if they intend to keep copyright.  Unmoderated at least initially. ------------------------------- Until such time as the traffic is of such a volume, or there are other reasons for introducing a moderated group, the group will be unmoderated.    Mass Ack - this is a list of everyone whose vote I have recieved by Thursday, May 6, 1993.  6500null%[email protected]                                        -Null- [email protected]freenet.carleton.ca                                      Colin Morton [email protected]                                       Adrienne Brambila [email protected]                                    [email protected]                                   Arthur Rimbaud [email protected]                                 Brian SPENCER [email protected]                                                     Carl Rigney [email protected]                                                        [email protected]                                            Pope Clifton [email protected]                                   Chris Marble [email protected]                                       Ray J Cornwall [email protected]                                              Colin Bell [email protected]                          Mark "Crimson" Friedman [email protected]                                      Tom Culliton x2278 [email protected]                                  Curtis Yarvin [email protected]                                                      dack [email protected]                                        David Conrad [email protected]                                                      dawn [email protected]                                        Diana Boyd [email protected]                                 Jonathan Schilling [email protected]                                              Don Zirilli [email protected]                                       Andrew Trapp [email protected]                                              Dawn Suchy [email protected]                                                    [email protected]                                            AH Al_ashaab [email protected]                                Greg Fishbone [email protected]                                      Carwil James [email protected]                                  "John C. Fowler" [email protected]                             Gregory C Franklin [email protected]                                                           [email protected]                                     Hardcore Alaskan [email protected]                           Greg Nikolic [email protected]                                              Geir Stensrud [email protected]                                        Bill Gibson [email protected]                                                            [email protected]                                        B.J. [email protected]                                           Mike H. [email protected]                                        Jenny Ballmann [email protected]                                                        [email protected]                                                        [email protected]                                        Joel Furr [email protected]                                                                 [email protected]                                             Joel K Kelso [email protected]                                          John Buck [email protected]                                      Jane Patterson [email protected]                                             Dark Knight [email protected]                                         Aaron L Dickey [email protected]                                     Leslie Bergen [email protected]                          sometimes a Wombat [email protected]                                        Lowell W Lutz [email protected]                                    Lynn Benn [email protected]                                                 Mary S. Lee mccullou%[email protected]                                                [email protected]                                              Wong Nai Seng [email protected]                                      Mark Gooley [email protected]                                   Mark-Jason Dominus [email protected]                                       Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS [email protected]                                            Greg Morrow [email protected]                                     Michael Shields [email protected]                                             Mark Taranto [email protected]                               David Muir Sharnoff [email protected]                                         Naren Bala [email protected]                                    Michael Nelson [email protected]                                                    [email protected]                             Bill Owens [email protected]                                 Leonard J. Peirce [email protected]                            Marguerite Petersen [email protected]                                                    [email protected]                                  Martin Phipps [email protected]                                 Dave Weingart [email protected]                           Pete - Toonatic - Boulay [email protected]                                       Prabal Nandy [email protected]                                     Robert W. F. Clark [email protected]                                                Ron Hogan [email protected]                              Richard H. Miller [email protected]                                 Roger Squires [email protected]                                                    [email protected]                                                      [email protected]                       "Theresa Jarosz Alberti" [email protected]                                            Bruce Tindall SEAWA%[email protected]                                          [email protected]                                                     Sherri [email protected]                                   Shaun Travers [email protected]                                         Sho Kuwamoto [email protected]                                    Thunder-Thumbs [email protected]                                            Erland Sommarskog [email protected]                                    Steve Paulson [email protected]                                                       [email protected]                                       Stu Labovitz [email protected]                                      Dennis P Hilgenberg [email protected]                                     Tami Dawn Kimmel [email protected]                                    Mike Thayer [email protected]                                                      Ben Cox tomf%[email protected]                                                 Tom Fawcett [email protected]                                        Tim Pierce [email protected]                                            Vicki C. Daughtry wes[email protected]                              "Wesley Craig" [email protected]                                      Ralph Cherubini [email protected]                                          Glen Cox --  They say the wages of sin are death, but after they take out taxes, all that's left is a tired feeling.  From [email protected] Thu May 20 09:56:27 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Ron Dippold) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.poems,rec.arts.books,misc.writing,alt.prose,bit.listserv.literary Subject: 3rd CFV and VOTE ACK: rec.arts.prose Followup-To: poster Date: 19 May 1993 13:49:59 -0400 Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA Lines: 264 Sender: t[email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:3609 news.groups:72237 rec.arts.poems:35559 rec.arts.books:66878 misc.writing:7986 alt.prose:3426 bit.listserv.literary:5913  CALL FOR VOTES: creation of rec.art.prose  This is a formal Call For Votes for or against the creation of an unmoderated Usenet newsgroup called "rec.arts.prose".  This is the _final_ CFV for this group.  The rationale and charter of the group are given below the voting information.   VOTING  To vote, send a MAIL message to [email protected] (the easiest way to do this in most cases is to just Reply to this message), containing ONE of the following lines in the body of your reply:    I vote FOR the creation of rec.arts.prose   I vote AGAINST the creation of rec.arts.prose  The easiest way to do this is to just delete everything except the line that registers your opinion.  You should get an automatic acknowledgement within a few days of receipt of your vote.  Only one vote per person or account.  Mail messages only, no public posts.   VOTING DETAILS  The voting period will run through 11:59 PM GMT May 28, 1993.  Only votes recieved during that time will be counted.  After the vote is over, I will post the results prior to Monday, May 31, 1993.  This will include a complete list of all voters and how they voted.   VOTE OUTCOME  In accordance with the traditions of the Usenet, the newsgroup will be created only if 2/3 or more of the voters vote YES and there are at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.   VOTER ETHICS  I'm unbiased.  You wouldn't believe how unbiased I am on this...  I don't care whether this passes or not.  Regardless, I pledge not to solict votes for or against the vote.  I will mail copies of the CFV to any who request it or who vote incorrectly and need the CFV to vote again.    Proposed Charter: -----------------  A group where writers can post short prose fiction.  Criticism and suggestions on the fiction posted can be posted on the net in rec.arts.prose or by email to the poster.  The group will accomodate discussion of prose fiction in general, similar to the way in which rec.arts.poems allows for posting of poems and discussion.  Posters should keep to the normal length of a short story, approximately 800 lines.  Novel-length prose fiction should be posted in short chapters over a period of time.  Other more technical matters involving writing, such as publication outlets, publishers, journals, and literary agents, are more appropriately discussed in misc.writing.  Discussion of literature in general takes place in bit.listserv.literary and rec.arts.books.   Copyright ---------  As is the case on the Net in general, it is an offence to post copyrighted material without the consent of the copyright owner. Short pieces can be quoted in a discussion, as is the case in academic work on fiction.  Anything posted to the net automatically is copyright protected in countries agreeing to the Berne Convention, and can be republished only with the consent of the author, except where the author expressly releases his posting into the public domain.    To make your intentions clear, posters are advised to add a Copyright 199x by Name of the Author to their posting, if they intend to keep copyright.  Unmoderated at least initially. ------------------------------- Until such time as the traffic is of such a volume, or there are other reasons for introducing a moderated group, the group will be unmoderated.    Mass Ack - this is a list of everyone whose vote I have recieved by early Friday, May 14, 1993.  [email protected]                                               Andy 6500null%[email protected]                                        -Null- [email protected]                                 "Warren A Norgaard" [email protected]                                      Colin Morton [email protected]                              Linus "E.A." Twizell [email protected]                                              a Francis Uy [email protected]                                       Adrienne Brambila [email protected]                                      Ahmed Al-Ashabb [email protected]                                                 AJ Madison [email protected]                   Jesus Eugenio S nchez Pe~a [email protected]                                      Andrew Hackard [email protected]                                    [email protected]                                    [email protected]                              dan a. bealmear [email protected]                                               [email protected]                                                Ben Ettinger [email protected]                                   Arthur Rimbaud [email protected]                                           Tom Boutell [email protected]                                 Brian SPENCER [email protected]                                    Brad Wallet [email protected]                                                     Carl Rigney [email protected]                                                        [email protected]                                                 Henry Chang [email protected]                                                      chaos [email protected]                                                             [email protected]                                              Andrew Clark [email protected]                                            Pope Clifton [email protected]                                   Chris Marble [email protected]                    "S." Green [email protected]                                       Ray J Cornwall [email protected]                                              Colin Bell [email protected]                          Mark "Crimson" Friedman [email protected]                                      Tom Culliton x2278 [email protected]                                  Curtis Yarvin [email protected]                                                      dack [email protected]_net                                         William Daffer [email protected]                                        David Conrad [email protected]                                                      dawn [email protected]                                        Diana Boyd [email protected]                                 Jonathan Schilling [email protected]                                       Richard Deadman [email protected]                                              Don Zirilli [email protected]                                        Dave Peel (Security [email protected]                                       Andrew Trapp [email protected]                                              Dawn Suchy [email protected]                                                    [email protected]                                       "Daniel C. Wang" [email protected]                               Elizabeth Barratt [email protected]                                             Edward Reid [email protected]                                      "Eric J. Olson" [email protected]                                            AH Al_ashaab [email protected]                                Greg Fishbone [email protected]                                      Carwil James [email protected]                                  "John C. Fowler" [email protected]                             Gregory C Franklin [email protected]                                                           [email protected]                                     Hardcore Alaskan [email protected]                           Greg Nikolic [email protected]                                              Geir Stensrud [email protected]                                 Gregory G. Woodbury [email protected]                                        Bill Gibson [email protected]                                    Greg Astoorian [email protected]                                         Steve Gussenhoven [email protected]                                             Random [email protected]                                                            [email protected]                                        B.J. [email protected]                                                   [email protected]                                          Hockemeyer [email protected]                                           Mike H. [email protected]                                         James Conrad Shea [email protected]                                        Jenny Ballmann [email protected]                                                        [email protected]                                                        [email protected]                                        Joel Furr [email protected]                                                                 [email protected]                                             Joel K Kelso [email protected]                                          John Buck [email protected]                         Josef Nelissen [email protected]                                      Jane Patterson [email protected]                                     John Porter [email protected]                                             Dark Knight [email protected]                                         Aaron L Dickey [email protected]                                  Lasse Hiller|e Petersen [email protected]                                     Leslie Bergen [email protected]                                        Linda Grischy [email protected]                                             Lionel Tun [email protected]                                          Larry Mann [email protected]                          sometimes a Wombat [email protected]                                        Lowell W Lutz [email protected]                                    Lynn Benn [email protected]                                   Alex Martelli [email protected]                                                 Mary S. Lee mccullou%[email protected]                                                [email protected]                                               Matt Welsh [email protected]                                              Wong Nai Seng [email protected]                                             B Bikowicz [email protected]                                               Mark Jersey [email protected]                                       Melynda Reid [email protected]                                      Mark Gooley [email protected]                                                      [email protected]                                     SWEET SISTER [email protected]                                   Mark-Jason Dominus mjn%pseudo.UUCP                                              Murray Nesbitt [email protected]                                       Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS [email protected]                                            Greg Morrow [email protected]                                     Michael Shields [email protected]                                             Mark Taranto [email protected]                               David Muir Sharnoff [email protected]                                                            [email protected]                                         Naren Bala [email protected]                                    Michael Nelson [email protected]                                                    [email protected]                                        Nicholas Russon [email protected]                                        Richard Pickard [email protected]                             Bill Owens [email protected]                                 Leonard J. Peirce [email protected]                            Marguerite Petersen [email protected]                                                    [email protected]                                  Martin Phipps [email protected]                                 Dave Weingart [email protected]                           Pete - Toonatic - Boulay [email protected]                                       Prabal Nandy [email protected]                                                        [email protected]                                  Richard A. Strong [email protected]                                     Robert W. F. Clark [email protected]                             Rebecca Leann Smit Crowley [email protected]                                                Ron Hogan [email protected]                                Mad City Blues [email protected]                              Richard H. Miller [email protected]                                     Bill Riggs [email protected]                                   Robert M. Reimann [email protected]                                                   R M Price [email protected]                                 Roger Squires [email protected]                                                    [email protected]                                                    [email protected]                                                      [email protected]                       "Theresa Jarosz Alberti" [email protected]                                            Bruce Tindall SEAWA%[email protected]                                          [email protected]                                                     Sherri [email protected]                                   Shaun Travers [email protected]                                         Sho Kuwamoto [email protected]                                    Thunder-Thumbs [email protected]                                                   [email protected]                                            Erland Sommarskog [email protected]                                    Steve Paulson [email protected]                                                       [email protected]                                       Stu Labovitz [email protected]                                               Susan Mitchell [email protected]                                      Dennis P Hilgenberg [email protected]                                    "T.J. Aidley" [email protected]                                     Tami Dawn Kimmel [email protected]                                            Tara Madhyastha [email protected]                                                Tony Basoglu [email protected]                                    Mike Thayer [email protected]                                                      Ben Cox tomf%[email protected]                                                 Tom Fawcett [email protected]                                        Tim Pierce [email protected]                                            Vicki C. Daughtry [email protected]                              "Wesley Craig" [email protected]                                Jon Terje Kommandantvold [email protected]                                      Ralph Cherubini [email protected]                              "I am an android.." [email protected]                                          Glen Cox [email protected]                                                  Yash Holbrook --  I do this kind of stuff to him all through the thread.  From [email protected] Mon Jun  7 10:37:14 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Ron Dippold) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.poems,rec.arts.books,misc.writing,alt.prose,bit.listserv.literary Subject: RESULT: rec.arts.prose passes 188:31 Followup-To: news.groups Date: 4 Jun 1993 14:15:33 -0400 Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA Lines: 290 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:3661 news.groups:73390 rec.arts.poems:36264 rec.arts.books:67988 misc.writing:8353 alt.prose:3471 bit.listserv.literary:6018  The unmoderated group rec.arts.prose has passed its second vote handily:  rec.arts.prose vote results - 219 votes    Yes   No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group ---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : -------------------------------------------  188   31 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : rec.arts.prose  Unless any voting irregularities appear, expect the newgroup message in about a week or so.  Followups set to news.groups.  Email asking me about the group won't do you much good, since I just took the vote. Ask on one of the groups listed above.  UseVote was used in this vote...    Proposed Charter: -----------------  A group where writers can post short prose fiction.  Criticism and suggestions on the fiction posted can be posted on the net in rec.arts.prose or by email to the poster.  The group will accomodate discussion of prose fiction in general, similar to the way in which rec.arts.poems allows for posting of poems and discussion.  Posters should keep to the normal length of a short story, approximately 800 lines.  Novel-length prose fiction should be posted in short chapters over a period of time.  Other more technical matters involving writing, such as publication outlets, publishers, journals, and literary agents, are more appropriately discussed in misc.writing.  Discussion of literature in general takes place in bit.listserv.literary and rec.arts.books.   Copyright ---------  As is the case on the Net in general, it is an offence to post copyrighted material without the consent of the copyright owner. Short pieces can be quoted in a discussion, as is the case in academic work on fiction.  Anything posted to the net automatically is copyright protected in countries agreeing to the Berne Convention, and can be republished only with the consent of the author, except where the author expressly releases his posting into the public domain.    To make your intentions clear, posters are advised to add a Copyright 199x by Name of the Author to their posting, if they intend to keep copyright.  Unmoderated at least initially. ------------------------------- Until such time as the traffic is of such a volume, or there are other reasons for introducing a moderated group, the group will be unmoderated.    rec.arts.prose vote Final Vote Ack  Yes Votes --------------------------------------------------------------------------- [email protected]                                               Andy 6500null%[email protected]                                        -Null- [email protected]                                 "Warren A Norgaard" [email protected]                                      Fran Rosen [email protected]                                      Colin Morton [email protected]                              Linus "E.A." Twizell [email protected]                                              a Francis Uy [email protected]                                                 AJ Madison [email protected]                   Jesus Eugenio S nchez Pe~a [email protected]                                                               [email protected]                                      Andrew Hackard [email protected]                              dan a. bealmear [email protected]                                               [email protected]                                                Ben Ettinger [email protected]                                   Arthur Rimbaud [email protected]                          benn bet nun nun lewis [email protected]                                           Tom Boutell [email protected]                                 Brian SPENCER [email protected]                                    Brad Wallet [email protected]                                                        [email protected]                                                 Henry Chang [email protected]                                                      chaos [email protected]                                                             [email protected]                                              Andrew Clark [email protected]                                            Pope Clifton [email protected]                    "S." Green [email protected]                                       Ray J Cornwall [email protected]                                     Craig Arnold [email protected]                                              Colin Bell [email protected]                          Mark "Crimson" Friedman [email protected]                                  Curtis Yarvin [email protected]                                                   [email protected]                                                      dack [email protected]_net                                         William Daffer [email protected]                                        David Conrad [email protected]                                                      dawn [email protected]                                        Diana Boyd [email protected]                                 Jonathan Schilling [email protected]                                       Richard Deadman [email protected]                        Chris Taylor [email protected]                                   Denise Porter [email protected]                                 david gregory hart [email protected]                                                  [email protected]                                              Don Zirilli [email protected]                                        Dave Peel (Security [email protected]                                       Andrew Trapp [email protected]                                              Dawn Suchy [email protected]                                                    [email protected]                                            "Linda" [email protected]                                       "Daniel C. Wang" [email protected]                               Elizabeth Barratt [email protected]                                             Edward Reid [email protected]                                               Edmond Chow [email protected]                                       Eero Kankaanp{{ [email protected]                                       Elf Sternberg [email protected]                                Marcus Eubanks [email protected]                                Greg Fishbone [email protected]                                      Carwil James [email protected]                                                      [email protected]lorado.EDU                                  "John C. Fowler" [email protected]                             Gregory C Franklin [email protected]                                                           [email protected]                           Greg Nikolic [email protected]                                              Geir Stensrud [email protected]                                 Gregory G. Woodbury [email protected]                                        Bill Gibson [email protected]                                    Greg Astoorian [email protected]                                         Steve Gussenhoven [email protected]                                             Random [email protected]               Hawadm Hawaii Administrative Temps [email protected]                                        B.J. [email protected]                                                   [email protected]                                          sam frajerman [email protected]                                          Hockemeyer [email protected]                                           Mike H. [email protected]                                         James Conrad Shea [email protected]                                        Jenny Ballmann [email protected]                                                        [email protected]                                             jfortt [email protected]                                        Joel Furr [email protected]                                                                 [email protected]                         James Grunenberg [email protected]                                        J Milbank [email protected]                                        John Lovett [email protected]                                          John Buck [email protected]                         Josef Nelissen [email protected]                                      Jane Patterson [email protected]                                             Dark Knight [email protected]                                         Aaron L Dickey [email protected]                                                           [email protected]                                        Kyle R. Conway [email protected]                                            Larry Whatley [email protected]                                  Lasse Hiller|e Petersen [email protected]                                     Leslie Bergen [email protected]                                        Linda Grischy [email protected]                                                    [email protected]                                             Lionel Tun [email protected]                                          Larry Mann [email protected]                          sometimes a Wombat [email protected]                                     Chad Lundgren [email protected]                                        Lowell W Lutz [email protected]                                    Lynn Benn [email protected]                                   Alex Martelli [email protected]                                                 Mary S. Lee [email protected]                                         Alayne McGregor [email protected]                                               Matt Welsh [email protected]                                              Wong Nai Seng [email protected]                                             B Bikowicz [email protected]                                               Mark Jersey [email protected]                                       Melynda Reid [email protected]                                      Mark Gooley [email protected]                              Mitchell L. Silverman [email protected]                                     SWEET SISTER [email protected]                                   Mark-Jason Dominus [email protected]                                          Shelly Kuttel [email protected]                                       Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS [email protected]                                            Greg Morrow [email protected]                                             Mark Taranto [email protected]                               David Muir Sharnoff [email protected]                                                            [email protected]                                   Brooks Seymore [email protected]                                    Michael Nelson [email protected]                                                    [email protected]                                  Narciso Jaramillo [email protected]                                        Nicholas Russon [email protected]                                        Richard Pickard [email protected]                             Bill Owens [email protected]                                                 [email protected]                            Marguerite Petersen [email protected]                                                    [email protected]                                  Martin Phipps [email protected]                                 Dave Weingart [email protected]                           Pete - Toonatic - Boulay [email protected]                                       Prabal Nandy [email protected]                                     Robert W. F. Clark [email protected]                             Rebecca Leann Smit Crowley [email protected]                                                Ron Hogan [email protected]                                Mad City Blues [email protected]                                     Bill Riggs [email protected]                                   Robert M. Reimann [email protected]                                         R. P. White [email protected]                                 Roger Squires [email protected]                                    robert vacca [email protected]                                                        [email protected]                                                    [email protected]                                                      [email protected]                       "Theresa Jarosz Alberti" [email protected]                                            Bruce Tindall [email protected]                                                           SEAWA%[email protected]                                          [email protected]                                 CIT Security Guard [email protected]                                                     Sherri [email protected]                                   Shaun Travers [email protected]                                         Sho Kuwamoto [email protected]                                    Thunder-Thumbs [email protected]                                                   [email protected]                                                   [email protected]                                            Erland Sommarskog [email protected]                                    Steve Paulson [email protected]                                                       [email protected]                                               Susan Mitchell [email protected]                                        Stefani Whelan [email protected]                                      Dennis P Hilgenberg [email protected]                                    "T.J. Aidley" [email protected]                                     Tami Dawn Kimmel [email protected]                                            Tara Madhyastha [email protected]                                    Mike Thayer [email protected]                                   Thomas Lindgren [email protected]                                                      Ben Cox [email protected]                                         Eddie Tillis tina%[email protected]                                            tomf%[email protected]                                                 Tom Fawcett [email protected]                                    Torben Dijnes [email protected]                                        Tim Pierce [email protected]                                         Valerie Riveiro [email protected]                                            Vicki C. Daughtry [email protected]                                    vedder julie ann [email protected]                              Vicki Kingsbury - Flanagan [email protected]                                                        [email protected]                              "Wesley Craig" [email protected]                                Jon Terje Kommandantvold [email protected]                                          GEORGIA [email protected]                                                           [email protected]                                      Ralph Cherubini [email protected]                              "I am an android.." [email protected]                                                  Yash Holbrook [email protected]                                       Richard Gibbons [email protected]                                                    No Votes --------------------------------------------------------------------------- [email protected]                                       Adrienne Brambila [email protected]                                      Ahmed Al-Ashabb [email protected]                                    [email protected]                                                     Carl Rigney [email protected]                                   Chris Marble [email protected]                                      Tom Culliton x2278 [email protected]                                                  Edward Bertsch [email protected]                                      "Eric J. Olson" [email protected]                                            AH Al_ashaab [email protected]                                     Hardcore Alaskan [email protected]                                                            [email protected]                                             Joel K Kelso [email protected]                                     John Porter [email protected]                                       Julian Macassey [email protected]                                           Rob Knauerhase mccullou%[email protected]                                                [email protected]                                                      mjn%pseudo.UUCP                                              Murray Nesbitt [email protected]                                     Michael Shields [email protected]                                  A. M. Mughal [email protected]                                         Naren Bala [email protected]                                 Leonard J. Peirce [email protected]                                                        [email protected]                                  Richard A. Strong [email protected]                              Richard H. Miller [email protected]                                            "Ronnie B. Kon" [email protected]                                                   R M Price [email protected]                                                 Shane Hartman [email protected]                                       Stu Labovitz [email protected]                                                Tony Basoglu [email protected]                                          Glen Cox --  It has come to our considered attention that in a large majority of cases, far too many people use a great deal more words than is absolutely necessary when engaged in the practice of writing sentences.  
 
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