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From [email protected] Wed Mar 22 16:16:51 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Larry Smith <[email protected]dec.com> Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.tv.muppets,alt.stagecraft,rec.arts.theatre.stagecraft,misc.misc Subject: RFD: rec.arts.puppetry Followup-To: news.groups Date: 22 Mar 1995 15:33:17 -0500 Organization: dec.com Lines: 51 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:6476 news.groups:140784 alt.tv.muppets:13192 alt.stagecraft:3624 rec.arts.theatre.stagecraft:4547 misc.misc:29440  PROPOSAL   Name:         rec.arts.puppetry   Status:       unmoderated   Description:  Puppets in any form or venue   Proponent:    Larry Smith <[email protected]>   Mentor:       Jim Jewett <[email protected]>  RATIONALE This RFD is prompted by a resurgence of interest in "classical" puppetry, as shown by the popularity of a number of traveling puppet shows in New England and elsewhere, and by new "permanent" theater venues, such as the recent opening of the USA's largest Marionette Opera in New Hampshire, Puppetry is used in most modern SF productions, either on-screen, with stop-motion or rod puppets, or off-screen, as with the puppets used to input motion information into the computer for Jurassic Parks dinosaurs. This newsgroup would provide a home for all types of discussion related to puppetry, from high-school productions with marionettes to the Muppets to the techniques needed to put on recorded shows.  Some of this discussion is on the net already in the form of the group alt.tv.muppets.  While almost anything in alt.tv.muppets would be appropriate for rec.arts.puppetry, the tighter focus would likely leave this group unaffected except for people needing the wider distribution available in a "big 7" newsgroup.  Puppet discussions pop up in the most unlikely places - for example, in a recent thread on rec.models.rockets where rocketeers reminisced about "The Thunder- birds" and other old supermarionation shows.  CHARTER rec.arts.puppetry is a newsgroup dedicated to discussing puppets of every type and about any application that uses them.  Topics can cover any area in which puppets of any kind are employed.  These can include, but are not limited to: marionettes, hand puppets, rod puppets, combination puppets (such as muppets), radio-control or automatic puppets such as animitrons, shadow puppets and others.  Discussion of venues using puppets, including both professional, such as the Muppet Show, Thunderbirds, Fireball XL-5 and other SuperMarionation productions, etc, and amateur are also welcome. Appropriate topics would include how such shows are produced, puppet man- ipulation techniques, voices, electronics used in puppetry, and can even verge onto computer animation where input or output comes from puppets.  PROCEDURE Please note that this is not a call for votes; it is a request for comments and suggestions on improving the proposal.  Discussion should take place only in news.groups, after which it may be brought to a vote.  DISTRIBUTION   alt.tv.muppets   alt.stagecraft   rec.arts.theatre.stagecraft   misc.misc  From [email protected] Sat May 13 00:04:00 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Warren Lavallee) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.tv.muppets,alt.stagecraft,rec.arts.theatre.stagecraft,misc.misc Subject: CFV: rec.arts.puppetry Followup-To: poster Date: 12 May 1995 15:33:23 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 91 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 3 Jun 1995 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:6806 news.groups:149077 alt.tv.muppets:14706 alt.stagecraft:4151 rec.arts.theatre.stagecraft:5691 misc.misc:30812                            FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)                      unmoderated group rec.arts.puppetry  Newsgroups line: rec.arts.puppetry	For discussion of puppets in any form or venue.  Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 2 June 1995.  This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions only contact Warren Lavallee <[email protected]>.  For questions about the proposed group contact Larry Smith <[email protected]>.  DISTRIBUTION This CFV has been cross posted:   news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, alt.tv.muppets, alt.stagecraft,   rec.arts.theatre.stagecraft, misc.misc And EMailed to: 	[email protected]  CHARTER  rec.arts.puppetry is a newsgroup dedicated to discussing puppets of every type and about any application that uses them. Topics can cover any area in which puppets of any kind are employed. These can include, but are not limited to: marionettes, hand puppets, rod puppets, combination puppets (such as muppets), radio-control or automatic puppets such as animitrons, shadow puppets and others. Discussion of venues using puppets, including both professional, such as the Muppet Show, Thunderbirds, Fireball XL-5 and other SuperMarionation productions, etc, and amateur are also welcome. Appropriate topics would include how such shows are produced, puppet man- ipulation techniques, voices, electronics used in puppetry, and can even verge onto computer animation where input or output comes from puppets.  RATIONALE  This CFV is prompted by a resurgence of interest in "classical" puppetry, as shown by the popularity of a number of traveling puppet shows in New England and elsewhere, and by new "permanent" theater venues, such as the recent opening of the USA's largest Marionette Opera in New Hampshire, Puppetry is used in most modern SF productions, either on-screen, with stop-motion or rod puppets, or off-screen, as with the puppets used to input motion information into the computer for Jurassic Parks dinosaurs. This newsgroup would provide a home for all types of discussion related to puppetry, from high-school productions with marionettes to the Muppets to the techniques needed to put on recorded shows. Puppet discussions pop up in the most unlikely places - for example, in a recent thread on rec.models.rockets where rocketeers reminisced about "The Thunder- birds" and other old supermarionation shows. Puppets are an old, honored, and much-loved art form, and this newsgroup will provide a good base to bring them forward with us into cyberspace.  HOW TO VOTE  Send MAIL to:   [email protected] Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.  Your mail message should contain *one* and only one of the following statements.  DO NOT QUOTE THIS CFV IN YOUR VOTE.       I vote YES on rec.arts.puppetry       I vote NO on rec.arts.puppetry       I vote ABSTAIN on rec.arts.puppetry       I CANCEL my vote on rec.arts.puppetry  Neither ABSTAIN nor CANCEL messages are counted as votes; they serve only to cancel any previous vote. Abstentions are noted in the final vote list, whereas CANCEL removes your vote from that list entirely. (This is the only difference between the two.)  Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge- ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.  If you later change your mind you may vote again; only your last valid vote will count.  Standard Guidelines for voting apply: no more than one vote per person, no more than one vote per account. If you attempt multiple votes or other vote fraud, all your votes may be canceled and your name published.  The complete vote list will be posted with the vote result, including how each person voted. Note that Usenet votes are not done by secret ballot.  There will then be a five-day period during which the published vote list may be corrected and any irregularities addressed. The requirements for group creation are 100 more YES votes than NO votes, and 2/3 of all counted votes being YES.  From [email protected] Thu May 25 18:44:41 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Warren Lavallee) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.tv.muppets,alt.stagecraft,rec.arts.theatre.stagecraft,misc.misc Subject: 2nd CFV: rec.arts.puppetry Supersedes: <[email protected]> Followup-To: poster Date: 23 May 1995 16:00:58 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 91 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 3 Jun 1995 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:6884 news.groups:150948 alt.tv.muppets:15012 alt.stagecraft:4243 rec.arts.theatre.stagecraft:5860 misc.misc:31139                            LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)                      unmoderated group rec.arts.puppetry  Newsgroups line: rec.arts.puppetry	For discussion of puppets in any form or venue.  Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 2 June 1995.  This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions only contact Warren Lavallee <[email protected]>.  For questions about the proposed group contact Larry Smith <[email protected]>.  DISTRIBUTION This CFV has been cross posted:   news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, alt.tv.muppets, alt.stagecraft,   rec.arts.theatre.stagecraft, misc.misc And EMailed to: 	[email protected]  CHARTER  rec.arts.puppetry is a newsgroup dedicated to discussing puppets of every type and about any application that uses them. Topics can cover any area in which puppets of any kind are employed. These can include, but are not limited to: marionettes, hand puppets, rod puppets, combination puppets (such as muppets), radio-control or automatic puppets such as animitrons, shadow puppets and others. Discussion of venues using puppets, including both professional, such as the Muppet Show, Thunderbirds, Fireball XL-5 and other SuperMarionation productions, etc, and amateur are also welcome. Appropriate topics would include how such shows are produced, puppet man- ipulation techniques, voices, electronics used in puppetry, and can even verge onto computer animation where input or output comes from puppets.  RATIONALE  This CFV is prompted by a resurgence of interest in "classical" puppetry, as shown by the popularity of a number of traveling puppet shows in New England and elsewhere, and by new "permanent" theater venues, such as the recent opening of the USA's largest Marionette Opera in New Hampshire, Puppetry is used in most modern SF productions, either on-screen, with stop-motion or rod puppets, or off-screen, as with the puppets used to input motion information into the computer for Jurassic Parks dinosaurs. This newsgroup would provide a home for all types of discussion related to puppetry, from high-school productions with marionettes to the Muppets to the techniques needed to put on recorded shows. Puppet discussions pop up in the most unlikely places - for example, in a recent thread on rec.models.rockets where rocketeers reminisced about "The Thunder- birds" and other old supermarionation shows. Puppets are an old, honored, and much-loved art form, and this newsgroup will provide a good base to bring them forward with us into cyberspace.  HOW TO VOTE  Send MAIL to:   [email protected] Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.  Your mail message should contain *one* and only one of the following statements.  DO NOT QUOTE THIS CFV IN YOUR VOTE.       I vote YES on rec.arts.puppetry       I vote NO on rec.arts.puppetry       I vote ABSTAIN on rec.arts.puppetry       I CANCEL my vote on rec.arts.puppetry  Neither ABSTAIN nor CANCEL messages are counted as votes; they serve only to cancel any previous vote. Abstentions are noted in the final vote list, whereas CANCEL removes your vote from that list entirely. (This is the only difference between the two.)  Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge- ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.  If you later change your mind you may vote again; only your last valid vote will count.  Standard Guidelines for voting apply: no more than one vote per person, no more than one vote per account. If you attempt multiple votes or other vote fraud, all your votes may be canceled and your name published.  The complete vote list will be posted with the vote result, including how each person voted. Note that Usenet votes are not done by secret ballot.  There will then be a five-day period during which the published vote list may be corrected and any irregularities addressed. The requirements for group creation are 100 more YES votes than NO votes, and 2/3 of all counted votes being YES.  From [email protected] Tue Jun  6 02:36:05 1995 Status: RO Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Warren Lavallee) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.tv.muppets,alt.stagecraft,rec.arts.theatre.stagecraft,misc.misc Subject: RESULT: rec.arts.puppetry passes 174:12 Supersedes: <[email protected]> Followup-To: news.groups Date: 5 Jun 1995 20:52:44 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 259 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:6984 news.groups:152433 alt.tv.muppets:15373 alt.stagecraft:4369 rec.arts.theatre.stagecraft:6057 misc.misc:31441                                  RESULT               unmoderated group rec.arts.puppetry passes 174:12  There were 174 YES votes and 12 NO votes, for a total of 186 valid votes. There were 3 abstains and 8 invalid ballots.  For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes.   There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.  There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.  If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter.    rec.arts.puppetry passed on Mon May 29 19:41:15 1995  Newsgroups line: rec.arts.puppetry	For discussion of puppets in any form or venue.  This vote was being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact Warren Lavallee <[email protected]>. For questions about the proposed group contact Larry Smith <[email protected]>.  CHARTER  rec.arts.puppetry is a newsgroup dedicated to discussing puppets of every type and about any application that uses them. Topics can cover any area in which puppets of any kind are employed. These can include, but are not limited to: marionettes, hand puppets, rod puppets, combination puppets (such as muppets), radio-control or automatic puppets such as animitrons, shadow puppets and others. Discussion of venues using puppets, including both professional, such as the Muppet Show, Thunderbirds, Fireball XL-5 and other SuperMarionation productions, etc, and amateur are also welcome. Appropriate topics would include how such shows are produced, puppet man- ipulation techniques, voices, electronics used in puppetry, and can even verge onto computer animation where input or output comes from puppets.  [This collection of addresses is (C)1995 by Consultix Computer Services. Permission is strictly NOT given to use this list or any part thereof to make a mailing list, or for mass-mailings.  Any other use is fine.] rec.arts.puppetry Final Vote Ack  Voted Yes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                                           Thea Rhiannon [email protected]                         R.Concepcion/Rapid T. Rabbit [email protected]                                     STACY DEREZINSKI [email protected]                                      Andrew Champion [email protected]                                       Ann E. Nymann [email protected]                                                   Maria Bodmann [email protected]                                                  Alan C. Horn [email protected] [email protected]                                            Allison Butler [email protected]                                            Alvin T. Moser [email protected]                                   Dr. S. Mazer [email protected] [email protected]                                                        AShub [email protected]                                                         Amy West [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]                                          Bradford Clark [email protected] [email protected]                                            Beth Fowler [email protected]                                                   Bob McCormick [email protected] [email protected]                                             Brian Stokes [email protected]                        Bart. P. Roccoberton, Jr. [email protected]                                         BUD WERTHEIM [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]                                               RUTH STOTTER [email protected]                                         Chris Stamper [email protected] [email protected]                                                   C. Brown [email protected]                                         Christopher Piper [email protected] [email protected]                                                Deirdre Creed [email protected]                                        Carolyn Shaffer [email protected]                                 Craig Silverstein [email protected]                                             Carter Tomassi [email protected]                                                 Chris Vaughn [email protected]                                CHERYL  WILLOUGHBY [email protected]                                             Dan Rothschild [email protected] [email protected]                                                  Darek Milewski [email protected] [email protected]                                           Dan Bogdon [email protected]                                         Dean C. Gahlon [email protected]                                           Dean Smith [email protected]                                      Renee A Delong [email protected]                                           Digital Illusion [email protected]                                       Mongo Mongo Man [email protected]                                         That Keith [email protected]                                                Gregory Edwards [email protected]                                               Eirik Lie [email protected] [email protected]                                 Tim Wears ETL/XB/G [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]                                     Ellen Seeling [email protected]                                          Jim Fisher [email protected] [email protected]                                              MR JIM GAMBLE [email protected]                                    Timothy K. Nielsen [email protected]                                  Gretchen Davidian [email protected]                                           Chris M Gelles [email protected]                                                Henry, Gregg [email protected]                                         Nick Gibbins [email protected] [email protected]                                              g.j.hilton [email protected] [email protected]                                                   Dave DeBry [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]                                             Henry Neeman [email protected]                                           Daniel J Horn [email protected]                                      Blitzer T. Wolf [email protected]                                    BONNIE HUTCHINS [email protected]                                           Ian Crook [email protected]                                               Bill Hayes [email protected]                                    Irina Rempt-Drijfhout [email protected]                                                Jack Falk [email protected]                                       Jaime Graham [email protected]                                                 jim janecek [email protected]                                                  Joe Dunfee [email protected]                                          Jennifer Adamson [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]                                          schloss jonathan m [email protected]                                                           Jonboy [email protected]                                             Rebecca [email protected]                                      Paul and Carol Greene [email protected]                                  Jeffrey Pinzino [email protected] [email protected]                                          John C Shockey [email protected]                             Jennifer S. Shoemaker [email protected] [email protected]                                          Kathy Wiemelt [email protected] [email protected]                                               Kurtis Hunter [email protected]                                                    Kevin P. Inscoe [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]                                              Leo Brodie [email protected]                                                  Ross Garmil [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]                                         Malgosia Askanas [email protected]                                         JAMES MALONE [email protected]                                               Mark Levenson [email protected]                                         LINDA MARTIN [email protected]                                       Mark Mayerson [email protected]                                               Ken McCoy [email protected]                                             Melissa Wahl [email protected]                                                      staff [email protected]                                           Mike Hurwicz [email protected]                                          David R. Villegas [email protected] [email protected]                                        Ken Davidian [email protected]                                        Martha Radginski [email protected]                                              Marianne Vaughn [email protected]                                                     NAPRA [email protected]                                          Nick Ingegneri [email protected]                                       Nick Francesco [email protected]                                       Lara D. Nielsen [email protected]                                    Nadean Meyer [email protected]                                            MR MARK S SEGAL [email protected] [email protected]                                    Paul A. Teolis [email protected]                                                   Greywolf [email protected]                                                  Peggy Hall [email protected]                          Robert Steven Petersen [email protected]                                                      Cal [email protected]                                          The Puppet Co. [email protected]                                           Ross Browning [email protected]                                              Rebecca Drayer [email protected]                                          Rick L. Barr [email protected]                                                Robert Crawford [email protected]                                                      Susan Ring [email protected]                               rinzeldanrinzel [email protected]                                          Rick Jones [email protected]                                      Rose Sage [email protected]                                         Ross Bennett [email protected] [email protected]                                              Russell Koonce [email protected] [email protected]                                                Scott Varga [email protected]                                             Sara L. Davis [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]                                              Shauna Stevens [email protected]                                      Stephanie Haber-Hirsch [email protected]                                                     Doug Anderson [email protected]                                      Shripathi Kamath [email protected] [email protected]                                  Peter/Stephen Sjolander [email protected]                                        Shari Goldin [email protected]                                              Therfore I am [email protected]                                           Shana E Seldin [email protected]                                    Sherri Shubin [email protected]                                   Jonathan Stadler [email protected]                                Stephen Sjolander [email protected] [email protected]                                        Talib Huff [email protected] [email protected]                                               tom crochunis [email protected]                                            Timothy M. Elsey [email protected]                                                     Terry tmiller%[email protected]         Timothy K. Miller [email protected]                                                 Chris Abbott [email protected]                                   MS NANCY L EILERS-HUGHES [email protected]                                               ELLY [email protected]                                   B.L.ade Kinsey [email protected]                                                         Dan Vie [email protected]                                          William E. Elston [email protected]                                                    Bill Jones [email protected]                                             Karl R. Wurst  Voted No ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                                         Cory L. Scott [email protected]                                               Michiel Wijers [email protected]                                               Christopher Ward [email protected]                                                 David W. Crawford [email protected]                                               Hasnain Khan [email protected]                                           Patrick J. LoPresti [email protected]                                               Ryan Waldron [email protected]                                             Richard H. Miller [email protected]                                                  Dwight Brown [email protected]                                                   Tom Randulff [email protected]                                        Tim Pierce [email protected]                                         Risto Widenius  Abstained ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                              Kenneth P Crouch [email protected]                                          M Mike Taksar KC6ZPS [email protected]                               M. `I Got No Strings' Otto   Votes in error ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                              [email protected]    ! No vote statement in message [email protected]                        Clarence S. Hamilton, Jr.    ! No vote statement in message [email protected]    ! No vote statement in message [email protected]                                                    Eldon Tam    ! No vote statement in message [email protected]                                           MR DOUG NEARPASS    ! No vote statement in message [email protected]                                         MS ELLEN K DESSLER    ! No vote statement in message [email protected]    ! No vote statement in message [email protected]                                              wilma stutheit    ! No vote statement in message  
 
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