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From [email protected] Thu Sep  1 11:15:47 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Ornoth Liscomb <[email protected]> Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.mag.fsfnet,rec.mag,rec.arts.sf.written,misc.writing Subject: RFD: rec.mag.dargon Followup-To: news.groups Date: 1 Sep 1994 10:56:19 -0400 Organization: jjm.com Lines: 93 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5578 news.groups:114692 rec.mag.fsfnet:46 rec.mag:2610 rec.arts.sf.written:77655 misc.writing:24473                      --------------------------------                          RFD FOR REC.MAG.DARGON                     --------------------------------  This is a formal request for the removal of the existing moderated newgroup rec.mag.fsfnet, to be replaced by an unmoderated newsgroup called rec.mag.dargon.                Group Name:  rec.mag.dargon                   Status:  unmoderated             Distribution:  worldwide                  Summary:  DargonZine e-magazine issues and discussion              Proposed by:  Ornoth D.A. Liscomb                            <[email protected]>   Charter ------- Rec.mag.dargon will be used both for the distribution of DargonZine, an electronic magazine, and also for open public discussion of the magazine's content.  DargonZine prints fiction produced by aspiring amateur writers who are members of the Dargon Project, which has been active since 1985. Dargon Project stories are all set in a shared medieval fantasy setting (a la "Thieves' World"). "Dargon" refers to the town and surrounding lands where most stories take place, as well as the surname of the area's ruling family. DargonZine has worldwide distribution.   Discussion ---------- Discussion of this proposed group will take place on news.groups starting at the time of this posting and will continue for a minimum of three weeks from that date.   Vote ---- Assuming the discussion merits a vote, a Call For Votes will be conducted by neutral third parties after the discussion period has ended. No votes will be accepted prior to the start of the CFV. A neutral third party will administer the vote.   Crossposting ------------ This RFD is crossposted to the following groups:    news.announce.newgroups   news.groups   rec.mag   rec.mag.fsfnet   rec.arts.sf.written   misc.writing   [email protected]  The CFV will be crossposted to the same groups, plus the DargonZine distribution list.   Rationale --------- Starting with the existing newsgroup rec.mag.fsfnet, the proposal should be thought of in two parts: removal of the existing moderation, and renaming the newsgroup. Although there are two distinct changes taking place, they will be voted on as a single proposal.  Rec.mag.fsfnet was originally created with the intent to serve solely as a moderated distribution vehicle for issues. At present, the only articles posted to the newsgroup are issues of DargonZine as they are published. However, the Dargon Project writers would like to remove the moderation from the newsgroup so that it can be opened up for reader feedback and exchange of opinions and ideas between the readership and the writers.  However, we would also like to take this opportunity to change the name of the newsgroup. The Dargon Project first began publishing stories in FSFnet, an electronic magazine that ran from 1984 through 1988, during which time the newsgroup rec.msg.fsfnet was created. When FSFnet's editor graduated and left the network, the new editor began putting out issues under the name DargonZine. Because FSFnet has been defunct for over five years and could be confused with the Free Software Foundation, it is appropriate that we change the newsgroup name to something more recognizable. Our readers would immediately associate rec.mag.dargon with the Dargon Project and DargonZine.  However, should we ever choose to change the name of our publication again, we propose that the new newsgroup be called rec.mag.dargon rather than rec.mag.dargonzine. This will allow us to avoid ever having to rename the newsgroup again, no matter what we name the publication.  Please direct all discussion to news.groups.  From [email protected] (RonDippold) Tue Oct 11 13:06:19 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.zines,rec.mag,rec.mag.fsfnet,rec.arts.sf.written,misc.writing Subject: CFV: rec.mag.dargon Followup-To: poster Date: 11 Oct 1994 10:44:32 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 73 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 2 Nov 1994 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] (Ron Dippold Voting Alias) NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5762 news.groups:120090 alt.zines:6123 rec.mag:2703 rec.mag.fsfnet:47 rec.arts.sf.written:83435 misc.writing:27774                            FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)                        unmoderated group rec.mag.dargon  Newsgroups line: rec.mag.dargon          DargonZine fantasy fiction emag issues and discussion.  Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 1 November 1994.  After this CFV appears on news.announce.newgroups it will be sent to the mailing list <[email protected]> Dargon Project writers' group and the DargonZine readership as a whole.  The posting will be clearly labelled as a "repost" of a CFV in news.announce.newgroups.  This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions only contact [email protected]  For questions about the proposed group contact Ornoth D.A. Liscomb <[email protected]>   CHARTER  Rec.mag.dargon will be used both for the distribution of DargonZine, an electronic magazine, and also for open public discussion of the magazine's content.  DargonZine prints fiction produced by aspiring amateur writers who are members of the Dargon Project, which has been active since 1985. Dargon Project stories are all set in a shared medieval fantasy setting (a la "Thieves' World"). "Dargon" refers to the town and surrounding lands where most stories take place, as well as the surname of the area's ruling family. DargonZine has worldwide distribution. Email subscriptions can be obtained from <[email protected]>.  Starting with the existing newsgroup rec.mag.fsfnet, the proposal should be thought of in two parts: removal of the existing moderation, and renaming the newsgroup. Although there are two distinct changes taking place, they will be voted on as a single proposal.  Rec.mag.fsfnet was originally created with the intent to serve solely as a moderated distribution vehicle for issues. At present, the only articles posted to the newsgroup are issues of DargonZine as they are published. However, the Dargon Project writers would like to remove the moderation from the newsgroup so that it can be opened up for reader feedback and exchange of opinions and ideas between the readership and the writers.  However, we would also like to take this opportunity to change the name of the newsgroup. The Dargon Project first began publishing stories in FSFnet, an electronic magazine that ran from 1984 through 1988, during which time the newsgroup rec.msg.fsfnet was created. When FSFnet's editor graduated and left the network, the new editor began putting out issues under the name DargonZine. Because FSFnet has been defunct for over five years it is appropriate that we change the newsgroup name to something more recognizable. Our readers would immediately associate rec.mag.dargon with the Dargon Project and DargonZine.   HOW TO VOTE  Send MAIL to:   [email protected] Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.  Your mail message should contain one of the following statements:       I vote YES on rec.mag.dargon       I vote NO on rec.mag.dargon  You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome. Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge- ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.  One vote counted per person, no more than one per account. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.  From [email protected] (RonDippold) Wed Oct 26 12:59:09 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.zines,rec.mag,rec.mag.fsfnet,rec.arts.sf.written,misc.writing Subject: 2nd CFV: rec.mag.dargon Supersedes: <[email protected]> Followup-To: poster Date: 26 Oct 1994 10:34:36 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 79 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 2 Nov 1994 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] (Ron Dippold Voting Alias) NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5837 news.groups:121681 alt.zines:6386 rec.mag:2742 rec.mag.fsfnet:48 rec.arts.sf.written:86212 misc.writing:29318                            LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)                        unmoderated group rec.mag.dargon  Newsgroups line: rec.mag.dargon          DargonZine fantasy fiction emag issues and discussion.  Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 1 November 1994.  After this CFV appears on news.announce.newgroups it will be sent to the mailing list <[email protected]> Dargon Project writers' group and the DargonZine readership as a whole.  The posting will be clearly labelled as a "repost" of a CFV in news.announce.newgroups.  This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions only contact [email protected]  For questions about the proposed group contact Ornoth D.A. Liscomb <[email protected]>   CHARTER  Rec.mag.dargon will be used both for the distribution of DargonZine, an electronic magazine, and also for open public discussion of the magazine's content.  DargonZine prints fiction produced by aspiring amateur writers who are members of the Dargon Project, which has been active since 1985. Dargon Project stories are all set in a shared medieval fantasy setting (a la "Thieves' World"). "Dargon" refers to the town and surrounding lands where most stories take place, as well as the surname of the area's ruling family. DargonZine has worldwide distribution. Email subscriptions can be obtained from <[email protected]>.  Starting with the existing newsgroup rec.mag.fsfnet, the proposal should be thought of in two parts: removal of the existing moderation, and renaming the newsgroup. Although there are two distinct changes taking place, they will be voted on as a single proposal.  Rec.mag.fsfnet was originally created with the intent to serve solely as a moderated distribution vehicle for issues. At present, the only articles posted to the newsgroup are issues of DargonZine as they are published. However, the Dargon Project writers would like to remove the moderation from the newsgroup so that it can be opened up for reader feedback and exchange of opinions and ideas between the readership and the writers.  However, we would also like to take this opportunity to change the name of the newsgroup. The Dargon Project first began publishing stories in FSFnet, an electronic magazine that ran from 1984 through 1988, during which time the newsgroup rec.msg.fsfnet was created. When FSFnet's editor graduated and left the network, the new editor began putting out issues under the name DargonZine. Because FSFnet has been defunct for over five years it is appropriate that we change the newsgroup name to something more recognizable. Our readers would immediately associate rec.mag.dargon with the Dargon Project and DargonZine.   HOW TO VOTE  Send MAIL to:   [email protected] Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.  Your mail message should contain one of the following statements:       I vote YES on rec.mag.dargon       I vote NO on rec.mag.dargon  You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome. Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge- ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.  One vote counted per person, no more than one per account. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.    rec.mag.dargon Bounce List - No need to revote ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                                                           From [email protected] (RonDippold) Thu Nov  3 17:31:31 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.zines,rec.mag,rec.mag.fsfnet,rec.arts.sf.written,misc.writing Subject: RESULT: rec.mag.dargon passes 156:37 Supersedes: <[email protected]> Followup-To: news.groups Date: 3 Nov 1994 15:46:41 -0500 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 264 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5895 news.groups:122286 alt.zines:6521 rec.mag:2760 rec.mag.fsfnet:49 rec.arts.sf.written:87258 misc.writing:30075                                      RESULT 	    unmoderated group rec.mag.dargon passes 156:37  There were 156 YES votes and 37 NO votes, for a total of 193 valid votes.  There was 1 abstain.  For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes.   There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.   There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.  If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter.   Newsgroups line: rec.mag.dargon          DargonZine fantasy fiction emag issues and discussion.  This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions only contact [email protected]  For questions about the proposed group contact Ornoth D.A. Liscomb <[email protected]>   CHARTER  Rec.mag.dargon will be used both for the distribution of DargonZine, an electronic magazine, and also for open public discussion of the magazine's content.  DargonZine prints fiction produced by aspiring amateur writers who are members of the Dargon Project, which has been active since 1985. Dargon Project stories are all set in a shared medieval fantasy setting (a la "Thieves' World"). "Dargon" refers to the town and surrounding lands where most stories take place, as well as the surname of the area's ruling family. DargonZine has worldwide distribution. Email subscriptions can be obtained from <[email protected]>.  Starting with the existing newsgroup rec.mag.fsfnet, the proposal should be thought of in two parts: removal of the existing moderation, and renaming the newsgroup. Although there are two distinct changes taking place, they will be voted on as a single proposal.  Rec.mag.fsfnet was originally created with the intent to serve solely as a moderated distribution vehicle for issues. At present, the only articles posted to the newsgroup are issues of DargonZine as they are published. However, the Dargon Project writers would like to remove the moderation from the newsgroup so that it can be opened up for reader feedback and exchange of opinions and ideas between the readership and the writers.  However, we would also like to take this opportunity to change the name of the newsgroup. The Dargon Project first began publishing stories in FSFnet, an electronic magazine that ran from 1984 through 1988, during which time the newsgroup rec.msg.fsfnet was created. When FSFnet's editor graduated and left the network, the new editor began putting out issues under the name DargonZine. Because FSFnet has been defunct for over five years it is appropriate that we change the newsgroup name to something more recognizable. Our readers would immediately associate rec.mag.dargon with the Dargon Project and DargonZine.   rec.mag.dargon Final Vote Ack  Voted Yes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                                       Kristy Grinder A01DLH1%[email protected]                                          Don Hayes [email protected]                            Arthur Bernard Byrne ACDA156%[email protected]                                         [email protected]                                                Amy Chused [email protected]                                    Ex-ACSS lackey [email protected]                                                    [email protected]                                          Anne Louise Gockel [email protected]                                                 Alison Barrows [email protected]                                                             [email protected]                                                      [email protected]                                         Arthur King [email protected]                                           Aviel Roy-Shapira [email protected]                                                Arne Wichmann [email protected]                                                    Ayse Sercan [email protected]                                              Rebecca E. Tants [email protected]                                           Dan Birchall [email protected]                                                 B.J. Herbison [email protected]                                           Joshua D. Brinen [email protected]                              Kimberly Bryant-Smith [email protected]                                         Christy Phillips [email protected]                         dionisopoulos panagiotis [email protected]                                                             [email protected]                                      Charles R. Emmons [email protected]                                                      [email protected]                                                   [email protected]                                        Haklien Chua [email protected]                                              Claudia Marie [email protected]                                             Evolvulator [email protected]                                                     Lew Cote [email protected]                                              carl e snook [email protected]                                                        [email protected]                                                    [email protected]                                                 [email protected]                                                      [email protected]                                                              [email protected]                                               David G. Kahane [email protected]                                            The Doctor {Who?} [email protected]                                       CMDR KREZNAK [email protected]                                                      [email protected]                                          [email protected] [email protected]                                                       [email protected]                                          Eddy Black [email protected]                                                Brian Edmonds [email protected]                                     Eric Grabowski [email protected]                                           Peter Turner [email protected]                                                        Jon Evans [email protected]                                       Scott W Fischer [email protected]                                          Shmulik Fishman [email protected]                                              Geoff Duncan [email protected]                                          Gordon Lloyd Goldberg [email protected]                                                  Greg [email protected]                                               Gerald Robillard [email protected]                                                           [email protected]                                             Bill Harvey [email protected]                                    R. Lawrence Martinez [email protected]                                                                 [email protected]                                     Bo Holst-Christensen [email protected]                                                              [email protected]                                                  Lonnie Houck [email protected]                                            Xiphias Gladius [email protected]                                                               [email protected]                                                  Ive Velez [email protected]                                                                 [email protected]                                  Bryan J. Maloney [email protected]                                                    [email protected]                                                        [email protected]                                         Jade Belaire [email protected]                                          Ken Doucette [email protected]                                                  Jason Dyer [email protected]                                                             [email protected]                                                     [email protected]                                               Jesse L. Morgan [email protected]                                                                [email protected]                                              John Olsen [email protected]                                                   Tobin J R [email protected]                                            Jason Snell [email protected]                                                         [email protected]                                          Aspen [email protected]                                            Kathy Liscomb [email protected]                                         Costas Krallis [email protected]                                                          [email protected]                                        Martin Schroeder [email protected]                                             Chris Mitchell [email protected]                               Jens-Arthur Leirbakk [email protected]                                         Lennart Sandberg [email protected]                                                               [email protected]                                      Doug Lhotka [email protected]                                  Miriam R Linver [email protected]                                                  Lory [email protected]oto.ai.mit.edu                                      Michael Majere [email protected]                                 Mark Jacoby [email protected]                                                               [email protected]                                                   Max's Login [email protected]                                              Michael Bell [email protected]                                       Michael Johnson [email protected]                                                  PARTIS [email protected]                                            M. Smith [email protected]                                                              [email protected]                                                               [email protected]                                                    Matt Ronn [email protected]                                             William Moxley [email protected]                                                              [email protected]                             Michael Sattler, San Francisco [email protected]                                              M.A. Murphy [email protected]                                       Michael Sawyer [email protected]                                           Robert Nagy [email protected]                                         Helge Nareid [email protected]                                   Nyani-Iisha Martin [email protected]                                                 Nick Waterman [email protected]                                             Nick Pine [email protected]                                             Odd Einar Aurbakken [email protected]                                            Ornoth Liscomb [email protected]                                         Peter K. Campbell [email protected]                                                               [email protected]                                 Pedro Malan D'Angrogne [email protected]                                                          [email protected]                                         Richard Vowles [email protected]                                              Rebecca Drayer [email protected]                                               Randy Money [email protected]                                                               [email protected]                                                             [email protected]                                                          [email protected]                                                 [email protected]                                                           [email protected]                                                 [email protected]                                                  Steve Fagg [email protected]                                              The Butterfly [email protected]                                       LOKE WOAN JINN [email protected]                                                    Sean Colbath [email protected]                                      Alexander Siegelin [email protected]                                           Polymer [email protected]                                        Stephen Joseph Smith [email protected]                                        Thomas Bueschgens [email protected]                                           slt128'steve-o' [email protected]                                          Sten Drescher [email protected]                                           Clare Grant [email protected]                                                                [email protected]                                            Scott Rogers [email protected]                                                       [email protected]                                          Stu Labovitz [email protected]                                                   [email protected]                                Tim Isakson [email protected]                                               Troy Engel [email protected]                                                 Trygve Soerdal [email protected]                                                           [email protected]                                            [email protected]                                        Wally Garchow [email protected]                                         Jeff Wayman [email protected]                                          WILLIAM HELLER WHITE%[email protected]            Avid Reader - Fledgling Writer [email protected]                                                FeralPurr [email protected]                                                        Will Kelly [email protected]                                              Kevin Wilson [email protected]                                   Kendra Lockhart [email protected]                     Dave Shariff Yadallee  Voted No ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                                  Vincent ARCHER [email protected]                                                    Jim Ault [email protected]                                           Ed Bailey [email protected]                                               [email protected]                                                   Burt N Holzman [email protected]                                            C. Douglas Baker [email protected]                                     Chris Koenigsberg [email protected]                                            Clark Quinn [email protected]                              Kenneth P Crouch [email protected]                                               Christopher Ward [email protected]                                                   Peter Campbell [email protected]                                                           [email protected]                                                     Edward Bertsch [email protected]                                    Ellen K. Seebacher [email protected]                                                   Emery Lapinski [email protected]                                  Sean P. Ryan [email protected]                                              Geoffrey H Spear [email protected]                                      Brennan T. Price [email protected]                             James Alexander Chokey [email protected]                                                Jim Goddard [email protected]                                                          [email protected]                                                       [email protected]                                          Julian Macassey [email protected]                                               Hasnain Khan [email protected]                                                  Linda Hill [email protected]                                                    Ryan Waldron [email protected]                                             Richard H. Miller [email protected]                                          Sigurd Meldal [email protected]                                              Sean Irvine [email protected]                                                  Dwight Brown [email protected]                                            Steersy [email protected]                                                 Shane Castle [email protected]                                            Thomas G. McWilliams [email protected]                                          Timothy VanFosson [email protected]                                           Tom Jaskiewicz [email protected]                                                 David Veal [email protected]                                              Abstained ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                                          M Mike Taksar KC6ZPS