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From [email protected]chi.il.us Sat Apr  4 03:12:36 1992 Xref: rpi news.announce.newgroups:1843 news.groups:39579 rec.radio.noncomm:1292 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.radio.noncomm,rec.radio.misc Path: rpi!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Bill Pfeiffer) Subject: RFD:  rec.radio.broadcasting Followup-To: news.groups Sender: [email protected] Nntp-Posting-Host: cs.rpi.edu Organization: Gagme Public Access UNIX, Chicago, Illinois. Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1992 03:02:44 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 121  This is a call for discussion on the creation of a new Usenet newsgroup, tentitively entitled rec.radio.broadcasting. I am proposing that this newsgroup be moderated, and barring any serious objection, I am offering  my time and energy to BE that moderator.  As the 'statement of charter' indicates, I believe that a group of this type is needed on Usenet because there is no current newsgroup dealing  with the general subject of radio broadcasting. Yet radio is, arguably, the most consumed of all mass media, in terms of actual person/hours of exposure.  People listen to radio in their cars, in their offices,  while jogging, dining, reading, getting ready for work, commuting,  and just about any other conceivable activity. Radio shapes our opinions, perceptions, musical tastes, and (hopefully) stimulates our imagination.  For these reasons, and others, I propose the creation of this newsgroup.  I suggest a 'moderated' format, for these reasons.  1) A properly moderated group generally produces a more concise and    cohesive product w/less "net-clutter" and a higher signal/noise ratio.  2) If the moderator is knowledgable in the subject matter covered in    the newsgroup, s/he can be of assistance in responding to questions    posed to the group which might, otherwise, go un-answered.  3) Moderation of a newsgroup means different things to differnet people.      My concept of moderation is simply to act as a buffer, weeding out    test messages, repetitive, abusive or 'grossly off topic' messages,    and to re-direct misplaced articles to appropriate newsgroups, where    possible.  I am an experienced broadcaster, and have had an avid interest in the  medium since early childhood.  I would consider moderating this group an honor and a pleasure, because of my respect for the medium, and the  people in it.  Plus, I have time and willingness to dedicate to such a  project.    The tentitive name of 'rec.radio.broadcasting' (r.r.b) is, of course, open to change if a better title can be created.  While the charter of the group suggests potential topics which are not specifically recreational,  I tend to feel that 'rec' might be the be the most appropriate heading since  the only other Usenet group dealing with domestic broadcast radio  (rec.radio.noncomm) uses this heading and therefore r.r.b would be a good companion group.   I considered the name 'talk.radio.broadcasting', but felt there might be a misunderstanding that the group was centered around the 'talk radio' format.  Perhaps something like 'talk.broadcasting.radio' might be  a good alternative, but that will be determined by you folks "out there in Usenet-land" :), assuming that the process gets that far.    I do not envision r.r.b to be a replacement for any other newsgroup, including rec.radio.noncomm.  The latter group's focus is on a specific genre of radio and therfore I feel the two groups would compliment, rather than compete with, one another.        ****** Statement of charter; rec.radio.broadcasting. *********  Rec.radio.broadcasting (r.r.b) will be for discussion of a wide variety of subjects pertaining to the general arena of entertainment/information radio.  While not specifically limited to North American broadcasting, r.r.b will avoid dealing with international (shortwave) broadcasts because this topic is already being handled in rec.radio.shortwave.  Valid subjects for discussion might include (but not be limited to);  1) Programming and formats  2) Technical and engineering matters  3) Concerns of smaller market stations 4) Innovations and legislation affecting the medium                        (and those attempting to enter it) 5) Radio's historical & cultural significance 6) Radio news coverage and it's impact on our nation and our world.  7) Audience input and ideas for improving the state of radio broadcasting.   Since rec.radio.noncommercial is the only Usenet group pertaining to  domestic broadcast radio, r.r.b would provide a forum for those  individuals who's interest in the medium is not limited to the  non-commercial arena.  I believe this group would be of great interest to Usenet participants because ...   1) Everybody listens to, and is affected by, radio broadcasting.  It    is the only mass media in which one can fully participate, while    engaged in another activity.  2) Colleges and universities currently train, and graduate, thousands of    potential radio professionals every year.  These individuals would    be very likely to participate in such a forum to discuss and compare    notes on their chosen field of endeavor.    3) The face of radio is always changing. Satellite feeds, automation,    and other influences are molding the future of the medium.  This    newsgroup would be a link between interested parties from all corners    of the industry, keeping one-another up to date on the latest trends    impacting radio broadcasting in America an beyond.  ********************** End Of Statement Of Charter *********************  I welcome your comments and suggestions. If all goes reasonably well I will be putting out a 'Call For Votes' in about a month and hopefully the Usenet community will agree that such a group would be a valuable addition to it's heirarchy.  Since this is not a proposal for 'splitting' an existing newsgroup, but rather for the creation of a group to fill a 'vacancy', I hope you will seriously consider a positive response to this proposal even if you, yourself, are not particularily involved or interested in broadcasting.  Such a group could only augment the  already diverse spectrum of Usenet newsgroups.  Feel encouraged to post responses to news.groups, and/or to e-mail me directly at the following address.  [email protected]      send c.c. to.. [email protected]  Thank you.  William D. Pfeiffer  From [email protected] Sat Apr  4 03:32:45 1992 From: [email protected] (Bill Pfeiffer) Subject: CFV:  rec.radio.broadcasting moderated Followup-To: poster Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1992 18:11:25 GMT  This is a Call For Votes on the creation of a new Usenet newsgroup entitled 'rec.radio.broadcasting.    STATUS:	  Moderated.   PURPOSE:  This group will be for the discussion of a wide variety of 	  subjects pertaining to the general arena of domestic radio 	  broadcasting.  Topics of discussion might include (but not 	  be limited to):  Programming, Engineering/Technical, Radio  	  news and political coverage,  Challenges of secondary           market stations, Innovations and legislation affecting           the media, Historical and cultural significance,  Network radio,           Domestic pirate broadcasting, Differences and similarities 	  in 'domestic' radio of various nations,  General items of 	  interest to broadcast professionals, hopefulls, affectionados, 	  and casual listeners, Assistance to those desiring to enter 	  the industry by providing a 'networking' infrastructure.  REASONS:  Everybody listens to the radio.  It influences our lives, our 	  political beliefs, musical tastes, purchasing habits, and 	  (hopefully) stimulates our imagination.  Radio, in it's many 	  forms, is pervasive.  It is the only mass media in which 	  one can fully participate while engaged in another  	  activity.  Amazingly, there is no Usenet newsgroup dedicated 	  to the overall topic of radio broadcasting.     Limits:	  I do not envision rec.radio.broadcasting to be a           replacement  for such groups as rec.radio.noncomm or           rec.radio.shortwave. Rec.radio broadcasting (r.r.b) would           try to avoid dealing with subjects which are directly and           _specifically_ related to the charter(s) of these groups,           but will gladly cover _any_ subject which has significance      	  to radio broadcasting in general, even if it involves    	  noncommercial or shortwave  stations.  R.r.b would be 	  likely to shy away from discussions (flame wars) about     	  specific performers & bands, except as it pertains to radio 	  programming and formats (there are many .music groups on 	  the net for such discussions).  MODERATION:  I have proposed this as a moderated group.  I have also 	  volunteered to serve as that moderator.  I believe in a 	  very 'light-handed' approach to moderation.  Basically no  	  more than a buffer, re-directing misplaced articles, attempting 	  to quell excessive 'free-for-all-flame-fests' :-), and trying 	  to keep the signal/noise ratio on the 'signal' side :-).   	  *** I AM NOT A CENSOR ***.  I will NEVER kill an article  	  because it clashes with my beliefs or opinions!  In addition, 	  I have my own dedicated Unix system with it's own direct 	  Internet e-mail feed, I have time and energy to dedicate 	  to the project, I have had a life-long involvement with 	  radio and communication, plus the wise counsel and support            of many in the industry, and on the net.  TO VOTE YES, SEND E-MAIL TO '[email protected]'  (OMIT THE QUOTES) TO VOTE NO,  SEND E-MAIL TO '[email protected]'    Only votes sent by e-mail, to the above address will be counted!   Do not respond directly to this post.  Voting will end on 4/30/92. No conditional votes will be accepted.  Votes should have a line in the subject or body of the letter stating clear intent, such as.. "I vote yes on rec.radio.broadcasting as proposed" or "I vote no on rec.radio.broadcasting as proposed", or some similar non-ambiguous statement.  Mass acknowledgements, and possible re-posts of this CFV will appear from time to time in news.announce.newgroups and news.groups as well as other related newsgroups.  Vote counts will be verified (if needed) by the sysadmin at the 'gagme' site.    If anyone desires direct corespondence with me on this subject, please write to me at my personal e-mail address '[email protected]'. However, I will not enter into any discussion of vote totals or projections while the vote is underway.    ** VOTES WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED AT THE 'AIRWAVES' ADDRESS! ***  (Exception to above rule:  If your vote bounces, send it, and the entire bounced header, to me at airwaves, and it will be included).  Thanks to those who expressed support.  Respectfully --  William Pfeiffer [email protected]  From [email protected] Sun Apr 19 21:38:29 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2202 news.groups:48458 rec.radio.noncomm:1458 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.radio.noncomm,rec.radio.misc Path: uunet!uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Bill Pfeiffer) Subject: 2nd CFV and VOTE ACK:  rec.radio.broadcasting moderated Message-ID: <[email protected]> Followup-To: poster Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Organization: Gagme Public Access UNIX, Chicago, Illinois. Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:25:25 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 284  This is the _SECOND_ Call For Votes on the creation of a new Usenet newsgroup entitled 'rec.radio.broadcasting'.  For those of you who have not yet seen the original CFV, I have included most of it in this posting.  At the end of the CFV, there is a mass ack of votes received as of April 8, 1992.  If you have not voted yet, and have an interest in this group, please vote now.  Voting will end April 30, 1992 at 12:00 midnight central daylight time.  Please read and follow voting guidelines carefully to assure that your vote  will be counted, and that there will be no confusion.   ============================ CFV  rec.radio.broadcasting ====================  STATUS:	  Moderated.   PURPOSE:  This group will be for the discussion of a wide variety of 	  subjects pertaining to the general arena of domestic radio 	  broadcasting.  Topics of discussion might include (but not 	  be limited to):  Programming, Engineering/Technical, Radio  	  news and political coverage,  Challenges of secondary           market stations, Innovations and legislation affecting           the media, Historical and cultural significance,  Network radio,           Domestic pirate broadcasting, Differences and similarities 	  in 'domestic' radio of various nations,  General items of 	  interest to broadcast professionals, hopefuls, affectionados, 	  and casual listeners, Assistance to those desiring to enter 	  the industry by providing a 'networking' infrastructure.  REASONS:  Everybody listens to the radio.  It influences our lives, our 	  political beliefs, musical tastes, purchasing habits, and 	  (hopefully) stimulates our imagination.  Radio, in it's many 	  forms, is pervasive.  It is the only mass media in which 	  one can fully participate while engaged in another  	  activity.  Amazingly, there is no Usenet newsgroup dedicated 	  to the overall topic of radio broadcasting.     LIMITS:	  I do not envision rec.radio.broadcasting to be a           replacement  for such groups as rec.radio.noncomm or           rec.radio.shortwave. Rec.radio broadcasting (r.r.b) would           try to avoid dealing with subjects which are directly and           _specifically_ related to the charter(s) of these groups,           but will gladly cover _any_ subject which has significance      	  to radio broadcasting in general, even if it involves    	  noncommercial or shortwave  stations.  R.r.b would be 	  likely to shy away from discussions (flame wars) about     	  specific performers & bands, except as it pertains to radio 	  programming and formats (there are many .music groups on 	  the net for such discussions).  MODERATION:  I have proposed this as a moderated group.  I have also 	  volunteered to serve as that moderator.  I believe in a 	  very 'light-handed' approach to moderation.  Basically no  	  more than a buffer, re-directing misplaced articles, attempting 	  to quell excessive 'free-for-all-flame-fests' :-), and trying 	  to keep the signal/noise ratio on the 'signal' side :-).   	  *** I AM NOT A CENSOR ***.  I will NEVER kill an article  	  because it clashes with my beliefs or opinions!  In addition, 	  I have my own dedicated Unix system with it's own direct 	  Internet e-mail feed, I have time and energy to dedicate 	  to the project, I have had a life-long involvement with 	  radio and communication, plus the wise counsel and support            of many in the industry, and on the net.  ==============================================  TO VOTE YES, SEND E-MAIL TO '[email protected]'  (OMIT THE QUOTES) TO VOTE NO,  SEND E-MAIL TO '[email protected]'    (Note: be sure to address the vote EXACTLY as it appears above. Some mailers require that you type a backslash \ prior to the @ symbol in the address.  If you have trouble with the @ symbol, try this method.)   Only votes sent by e-mail, to the above address will be counted!   Do not respond directly to this post.  Voting will end on 4/30/92. No conditional votes will be accepted.  Votes should have a line in the subject or body of the letter stating clear intent, such as..  "I vote yes on rec.radio.broadcasting as proposed"                     _OR_ "I vote no on rec.radio.broadcasting as proposed"   ... or some similar non-ambiguous statement.     If anyone desires direct correspondence with me on this subject, please write to me at my personal e-mail address '[email protected]'. However, I will not enter into any discussion of vote totals or projections while the vote is underway.    ** VOTES WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED AT THE 'AIRWAVES' ADDRESS! ***  If your vote should bounce, re-send it (with the original bounced header  in tact), to [email protected]  The sysadmin will place it in the correct mailbox.  If (for some reason) the 'root' attempt bounces, send THAT attempt to me at my airwaves address and I will deal with it.   Thanks to those who expressed support.  Respectfully  William Pfeiffer [email protected]   ============================  Voting Ack's ============================  If you do not see your name/address here, and you DID send a vote, Please re-send it to the appropriate address above along with a note saying that you DID vote, but that your vote was not ack'd.   Thank you.    [email protected]  [email protected]  Alan Tai [email protected]>  [email protected]  [email protected] (Andrea Donderi)  ANDREW WEISKOPF <[email protected]>  [email protected] (Andrew Bettison)  Andy Malis <[email protected]>  Arlen Diamond <[email protected]>  [email protected]  [email protected] (Rusty Babani)  [email protected] (Barrey Jewall)  [email protected] (Barry Mishkind)  [email protected] (Karen Millar)  [email protected]  [email protected] (Bill Blomgren)  B.J.  01-Apr-1992 1105 <[email protected]>  bolero.ati.com!duncan (Jim Duncan)  bongo.info.com!julian (Julian Macassey)  "Brandon Magee" <[email protected]>  [email protected] (David H. Brown)  broy%[email protected] (Binayak Roy)  Bruce Klopfenstein<[email protected]>  [email protected] (Bruce Tannenbaum)  "byrns-j" <[email protected]>  [email protected] (Carl Rigney)  [email protected] (Ed Evans - HBS/WSHB Sr Station Mgr)  [email protected] (Charles E Jones)  [email protected] (Chris Hanson)  [email protected]  Clayton Glad <[email protected]>  [email protected]  [email protected]  [email protected] (Patrick_Courtney)  "crash and burn." <[email protected]>  [email protected]  "Curtis R. Anderson" <[email protected]>  [email protected] (Christopher Ward)  [email protected] (Damian Centgraf - WSHB Engineer)  [email protected]  Darren Ingram <[email protected]>  Dave Ratcliffe <[email protected]>  [email protected] (Dave Taffs)  David De Trolio <[email protected]>  "David L. Gants" <[email protected]>  David W. Barts <[email protected]>  [email protected] (Dean Dierschow)  devmail!agahobuenh (Ken  More )  [email protected]  [email protected] (Mourad Dhina)  Doug Blair <[email protected]>  [email protected] (Dave Wolgast)  [email protected] (Greg Johns)  [email protected]> (Eli Messinger)  Ed Wright <[email protected]>  [email protected] (Edward P. Piecewicz)  [email protected] (Edward F Oliveri)  [email protected] (David Richard)  [email protected]  Floyd Vest <[email protected]>  "Gary D. Archer" <[email protected]>  [email protected] (Greg Skinner)  [email protected] (Tim Elliott)  [email protected] (George Wilson)  Grace Seibert <[email protected]>  [email protected] (Daniel Gulino)  [email protected]  [email protected] (George Hickok ext 2621)  [email protected] (Bob Hofkin)  I met Elvis + lived... <[email protected]>  [email protected] (Frog's Experimental Account)  [email protected] (Israel Moskowitz)  [email protected] (jonathan drout)  [email protected] (Randell Jesup)  [email protected] (Jeffrey Kaplan )  [email protected] (Joe Moulins)  "John DiLeo, CSB" <[email protected]>  John G Dobnick <[email protected]>  John Maraist <[email protected]>  JOSHUA HOSSEINOFF <[email protected]>  [email protected] (John R. Dennison)  "Julian Lorkin" <[email protected]>  Justin Decheck <[email protected]>  Jyrki Kuoppala <[email protected]>  [email protected] (Where did spring go?)  "Kauto Huopio, OH5LFM" <[email protected]>  [email protected] (Roger Keating)  [email protected]  Kenneth Suzan <[email protected]>  "Kenton A. Hoover" <[email protected]>  [email protected] (John E.Krauss)  [email protected] (Kristin Scott)  [email protected] (Chia-Liang Liu)  [email protected]  [email protected] (Malcolm Humes)  [email protected]  "Marianne Pierry" <[email protected]>  "Mark C. Lawrence" <[email protected]>  [email protected] (Mark Guidotti)  "Maxime Taksar" [email protected]>  [email protected] (Mike Northam)  [email protected]  [email protected] (mehta)  MER%[email protected] (M. E. Rappoport)       [email protected]  [email protected]  Mitch Kazel <[email protected]>  [email protected]  [email protected] (MIKE WARD)  [email protected]  [email protected] (Stephen Bashore)  [email protected] (Mark Shneyder 432-4219)  Nigel Wheatley <[email protected]>  [email protected]  Not Sure Who I Am <[email protected]>  [email protected] (Mike Palmer)  Patton M. Turner <[email protected]>  [email protected] (Phil Howard KA9WGN / I am the NRA)  "Peter A. Clausen" <[email protected]>  Peter Cherian Abraham <[email protected]>  [email protected]  [email protected] (Tim Pozar)  [email protected] (Ralph Brandi)  [email protected]  [email protected]  "Richard Crowley, AL3-60, 503-642-6705" <[email protected]>  Richard Mee <[email protected]>  [email protected] (Richard O. Jones)  [email protected] (Richard H. Miller)  [email protected] (Risto Kotalampi)  [email protected]  rogue%cs.utexas.edu (Dwight Everhart)  [email protected] (Admin)  [email protected] (Rick Morrow)  Ryan Christian Nelson <[email protected]>  [email protected] (Steve A. Feinstein)  Scott Fybush <[email protected]>  Simon P Aulton <[email protected]>  [email protected] (Scott Loftesness)  [email protected]  [email protected] (Scott P. Toenniessen)  Steve Bauer <[email protected]>  sv001.sandiego.ncr.com!kevin (Kevin Sanders 3602)  THEY CALL ME RIGHTOUS <[email protected]>  Thomas Lapp [email protected]>  [email protected] (Jorma M{ntyl{)  Tim Myers <[email protected]>  Timothy VanFosson <[email protected]>  [email protected] (Ted Koppel)  Tom Fitzgerald	<[email protected]  [email protected] (Tommy Olsen)  Tony Joines <[email protected]>  [email protected] (Kelly Reese)  [email protected] (John Starta)  [email protected] (William Graham)  "V. Balaji" <[email protected]>  [email protected] (Veli-Matti Anttila)  Vince Mehringer <[email protected]>  WEOS-FM [email protected]>  "WFFT - Radio, F M Operations" <[email protected]>  [email protected] (Wayne Greene)  YO-YO MAN <[email protected]>  Zimri Smith <[email protected]>  zygot.ati.com!john (John Higdon)  From [email protected] Mon Apr 20 12:47:01 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2243 news.groups:49277 rec.radio.noncomm:1468 rec.radio.shortwave:15802 rec.radio.amateur.misc:17521 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.radio.noncomm,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.amateur.misc Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Bill Pfeiffer) Subject: 3rd CFV and VOTE ACK:  rec.radio.broadcasting moderated Message-ID: <[email protected]> Followup-To: poster Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Organization: Gagme Public Access UNIX, Chicago, Illinois. Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1992 14:53:08 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 169  This is the _Third_ Call For Votes and second vote ack for the creation of a  new Usenet newsgroup entitled 'rec.radio.broadcasting'.  For those of you who have not yet seen the original CFV, I have included most of it in this  posting.  At the end of the CFV, there is a mass ack of votes received between April 9 - 16, 1992.  If you have not voted yet, and have an interest in this  group, please vote now.  Voting will end April 30, 1992 at 12:00 midnight central daylight time.  Please read and follow voting guidelines carefully to assure that your vote  will be counted, and that there will be no confusion.   ============================ CFV  rec.radio.broadcasting ====================  STATUS:	  Moderated.   PURPOSE:  This group will be for the discussion of a wide variety of 	  subjects pertaining to the general arena of domestic radio 	  broadcasting.  Topics of discussion might include (but not 	  be limited to):  Programming, Engineering/Technical, Radio  	  news and political coverage,  Challenges of secondary           market stations, Innovations and legislation affecting           the media, Historical and cultural significance,  Network radio,           Domestic pirate broadcasting, Differences and similarities 	  in 'domestic' radio of various nations,  General items of 	  interest to broadcast professionals, hopefuls, affectionados, 	  and casual listeners, Assistance to those desiring to enter 	  the industry by providing a 'networking' infrastructure.  REASONS:  Everybody listens to the radio.  It influences our lives, our 	  political beliefs, musical tastes, purchasing habits, and 	  (hopefully) stimulates our imagination.  Radio, in it's many 	  forms, is pervasive.  It is the only mass media in which 	  one can fully participate while engaged in another  	  activity.  Amazingly, there is no Usenet newsgroup dedicated 	  to the overall topic of radio broadcasting.     LIMITS:	  I do not envision rec.radio.broadcasting to be a           replacement  for such groups as rec.radio.noncomm or           rec.radio.shortwave. Rec.radio broadcasting (r.r.b) would           try to avoid dealing with subjects which are directly and           _specifically_ related to the charter(s) of these groups,           but will gladly cover _any_ subject which has significance      	  to radio broadcasting in general, even if it involves    	  noncommercial or shortwave  stations.  R.r.b would be 	  likely to shy away from discussions (flame wars) about     	  specific performers & bands, except as it pertains to radio 	  programming and formats (there are many .music groups on 	  the net for such discussions).  MODERATION:  I have proposed this as a moderated group.  I have also 	  volunteered to serve as that moderator.  I believe in a 	  very 'light-handed' approach to moderation.  Basically no  	  more than a buffer, re-directing misplaced articles, attempting 	  to quell excessive 'free-for-all-flame-fests' :-), and trying 	  to keep the signal/noise ratio on the 'signal' side :-).   	  *** I AM NOT A CENSOR ***.  I will NEVER kill an article  	  because it clashes with my beliefs or opinions!  In addition, 	  I have my own dedicated Unix system with it's own direct 	  Internet e-mail feed, I have time and energy to dedicate 	  to the project, I have had a life-long involvement with 	  radio and communication, plus the wise counsel and support            of many in the industry, and on the net.  ==============================================  TO VOTE YES, SEND E-MAIL TO '[email protected]'  (OMIT THE QUOTES) TO VOTE NO,  SEND E-MAIL TO '[email protected]'    Only votes sent by e-mail, to the above address will be counted!   Do not respond directly to this post.  Voting will end on 4/30/92. No conditional votes will be accepted (I.E "I would vote [...] if [...] )  Votes should have a line in the subject or body of the letter stating clear  intent, such as..  "I vote yes on rec.radio.broadcasting as proposed"                     _OR_ "I vote no on rec.radio.broadcasting as proposed"   ... or some similar non-ambiguous statement.     If anyone desires direct correspondence with me on this subject, please write to me at my personal e-mail address '[email protected]'. However, I will not enter into any discussion of vote totals or projections while the vote is underway.    ** VOTES WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED AT THE 'AIRWAVES' ADDRESS! ***  If your vote should bounce, re-send it (with the original bounced header  intact), to [email protected]  The sysadmin will place it in the correct mailbox.  If (for some reason) the 'root' attempt bounces, send THAT attempt to me at my airwaves address and I will deal with it.   Thanks to those who expressed support.  Respectfully  William Pfeiffer [email protected]   ============================  Voting Ack's ============================  These are votes received between April 9th and the 15th at the above address(s).  Votes received before that were included in the first ack, and  are not included here.  If you do not see your name/address here, and you DID send a vote  between, say April 8th and 16th, Please re-send it to the appropriate address above along with a note saying that you DID vote, but that your vote was not  ack'd.   Thank you.   "Dennis G. Rears " <[email protected]> [email protected] Aaron Dickey, The Happy Spore" <[email protected]> [email protected] (Kurt A Melden) [email protected] (John Covington WN4BBJ) [email protected] (cs201329) [email protected] Dan Faulkner <[email protected]> David DeBry <[email protected]> Erica Roth <[email protected]> [email protected] (Mark Feit) [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Gary E Pratt) [email protected] (Tracy K. Wood/KD0UP) Harald Brinkmann <[email protected]> "Hardcore Alaskan" [email protected]> James "P.N." Vaughton <[email protected]> Jay Maynard <[email protected]> [email protected] (Jonathan Bradshaw) JESSON AS MR <[email protected]> Joel B Levin <[email protected]> John Peng-Yung Cheng <[email protected]> [email protected] (Chris n Vickie) [email protected] (Jeremy Styninger) Loren Omoto <[email protected]> Ludwig van Duane <[email protected]> Mark Cox <[email protected]> Matthew Ballantine <[email protected]> [email protected] Paul Stimpson <[email protected]> [email protected] "Seth Tisue" <[email protected]> [email protected] ("Duckie" Shiau) [email protected] (Steve Steinberg) [email protected] The Gary Allen Show <[email protected]> [email protected] Tom Limoncelli <[email protected]> [email protected] (Tom Albrecht) "W.DEVONPORT" <[email protected]> [email protected] (Eric Weaver) mcdchg!motatl!gatech!pavnet.pcn.org!pep (Phil Pavarini Jr.) [email protected] (David Schwartz)  ======================== End of File =======================  From [email protected] Fri May  1 17:33:42 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2283 news.groups:50170 rec.radio.noncomm:1473 rec.radio.shortwave:16045 rec.radio.amateur.misc:18114 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.radio.noncomm,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.amateur.misc Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Bill Pfeiffer) Subject: RESULT:  rec.radio.broadcasting passes 234: 34 Message-ID: <[email protected]> Followup-To: news.groups Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Organization: Gagme Public Access UNIX, Chicago, Illinois. Date: Fri, 1 May 1992 19:49:03 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 350  Voting on the proposed creation of rec.radio.broadcasting has  ended as of 4/30/92.  The proposal received 234 yes votes to 34 no votes, thus satisfying the Usenet criteria of both a 2/3 majority and 100 more yes votes than no votes, required for the creation of this forum.  There were a few duplicate yes votes, which have been removed, no switched votes, and a couple of no votes which did not strictly comply with the voting guidelines, but were included anyway since intent  seemed clear.    CHARTER:  Rec.radio broadcasting is intended as a worldwide forum  dedicated to discussion of subjects pertaining to 'domestic' radio broadcasting.  By the term 'domestic', we mean radio which is intended  basically for reception within the country from which it originates. In other words any and all broadcasting which is not primarily intended for  reception in other countries/continents.  Valid subjects might include (but not be limited to) ...  * Technical and engineering matters * Programming and formats  (such as.. but not limited to..) 	* Music and entertainment 	* News & talk shows 	* Political coverage 	* Specialized formats  * Legislation and regulations affecting the medium * Technologies affecting the medium * Ideas for improving radio broadcasting * Differences and similatrities between nation's broadcast services * Low-power radio broadcasting * Community broadcast radio * Pirate broadcasting * Broadcast DX  * Radio's historical & cultural significance * Information exchanges for those seeking employment in radio. * Shop talk, gabfesting and general communications between broadcast   professionals, hopefuls and listeners across the globe!  About the only traffic which is NOT welcome on this group is..  # Flames and endless arguments over personal tastes in music/programming. # Unwarranted and excessive profanity and/or personal attacks. # Articles not pertaining to radio broadcasting. (*) # Articles about two-way, cellular, or other non-broadcast radio services,   unless they directly relate TO broadcasting. (*)  (*) - except matters of urgency to computer users, the public at-large,       or other matters of great impact or importance.  While this WILL be a moderated forum, I will restate that I believe in minimal moderation and _NO_ censorhip!  This means I will not kill any incoming articles because they clash with some personal opinion or belief.  In other words, the ONLY reasons that an article might be killed  is if it falls into one of the above categories, or if it is one of many identical responses to a posters question.  In the latter case, I would post a few of the identical responses and e-mail the remainder to the poster requesting the information, giving a credit line to those who posted, but were not printed.  This is done to conserve net bandwidth.  So, without further adieu, here are the votes which came in over the past  month starting with the YES votes:       1	 [email protected]      2	 [email protected]      3	 "Aaron Dickey, The Happy Spore" <[email protected]>      4	 Alan Tai [email protected]>      5	 [email protected]      6	 [email protected] (Kurt A Melden)      7	 [email protected]      8	 [email protected] (Andrea Donderi)      9	 ANDREW WEISKOPF <[email protected]>     10	 [email protected] (Andrew Bettison)     11	 Andy Malis <[email protected]>     12	 Arlen Diamond <[email protected]>     13	 <[email protected]>     14	 [email protected]     15	 [email protected] (Rusty Babani)     16	 [email protected] (Barrey Jewall)     17	 [email protected] (Barry Mishkind)     18	 [email protected] (Karen Millar)     19	 Benjamin Fan <[email protected]>     20	 [email protected]     21	 [email protected] (Bill Blomgren)     22	 biwi <[email protected]>     23	 B.J.  01-Apr-1992 1105 <[email protected]>     24	 bolero.ati.com!duncan (Jim Duncan)     25	 bradford.ac.uk!R.A.Macgill      26	 "Brandon Magee" <[email protected]>     27	 [email protected] (David H. Brown)     28	 broy%[email protected] (Binayak Roy)     29	 Bruce Klopfenstein<[email protected]>     30	 Bruce 'Loodvrij' Keeler <[email protected]>     31	 [email protected]     32	 [email protected] (Bruce Tannenbaum)     33	 "Carl P. Zwanzig" <[email protected]>     34	 Cedric Didier Baechler <[email protected]>     35	 [email protected] (Ed Evans - HBS/WSHB Sr Station Mgr)     36	 [email protected] (Charles E Jones)     37	 [email protected] (Chris Hanson)     38	 [email protected] (Charlie Mingo)     39	 Chip (C.D.) Kelley <[email protected]>     40	 Chris Johnson <[email protected]>     41	 [email protected]     42	 [email protected]     43	 [email protected]     44	 Coffeesaurus <[email protected]>     45	 [email protected] (Patrick_Courtney)     46	 "crash and burn." <[email protected]>     47	 [email protected]     48	 [email protected] (John Covington WN4BBJ)     49	 [email protected] (cs201329)     50	 [email protected]     51	 "Curtis R. Anderson" <[email protected]>     52	 [email protected] (Damian Centgraf - WSHB Engineer)     53	 Dan Faulkner <[email protected]>     54	 Daniel Gulino  [email protected]     55	 [email protected]     56	 Darren Ingram <[email protected]>     57	 Dave Ratcliffe <[email protected]>     58	 [email protected] (Dave Taffs)     59	 David De Trolio <[email protected]>     60	 David DeBry <[email protected]>     61	 "David L. Gants" <[email protected]>     62	 David W. Barts <[email protected]>     63	 Davies P A <[email protected]>     64	 [email protected] (Dennis Brewer)     65	 [email protected] (Dean Dierschow)     66	 Dennis Blyth <[email protected]>     67	 Dennis G. Rears " <[email protected]>     68	 devmail!agahobuenh (Ken  More )     69	 [email protected]     70	 [email protected] (Mourad Dhina)     71	 [email protected]     72	 [email protected] (Daniel M. Rosenberg)     73	 Doug Blair <[email protected]>     74	 [email protected] (Dave Wolgast)     75	 [email protected] (Nancy Ann Duxbury)     76	 [email protected] (Greg Johns)     77	 eb%[email protected] (Eric Benson)     78	 Ed Wright <[email protected]>     79	 [email protected] (Carlo Sgro)     80	 [email protected]att.com (Edward F Oliveri)     81	 Eric Funk <[email protected]>     82	 Erica Roth <[email protected]>     83	 [email protected] (David Richard)     84	 [email protected] (Mark Feit)     85	 [email protected]     86	 Floyd Vest <[email protected]>     87	 [email protected] (Shang-Yung Wang (035)715131ext3289)     88	 "Gary R. Smith KE9MI" <[email protected]>     89	 [email protected] (Greg Skinner)     90	 [email protected] (Tim Elliott)     91	 [email protected] (George Wilson)     92	 [email protected]     93	 [email protected]     94	 [email protected] (Gary E Pratt)     95	 Grace Seibert <[email protected]>     96	 [email protected]     97	 Harald Brinkmann <[email protected]>     98	 "Hardcore Alaskan" [email protected]>     99	 [email protected] (Stephen R. Harding)    100	 [email protected] (Guy Haskin)    101	 [email protected]    102	 [email protected] (George Hickok ext 2621)    103	 [email protected] (Bob Hofkin)    104	 [email protected] (Larry Hunter)    105	 I met Elvis + lived... <[email protected]>    106	 iadmr%[email protected] (Mark Rogstad)    107	 [email protected] (Robert White)    108	 [email protected] (Frog's Experimental Account)    109	 [email protected] (Israel Moskowitz)    110	 J Paul Holbrook <[email protected]>    111	 James "P.N." Vaughton <[email protected]>    112	 [email protected] (Jonathan Bradshaw)    113	 [email protected] (jonathan drout)    114	 [email protected] (Maurice Smeets, Jr)    115	 JESSON AS MR <[email protected]>    116	 [email protected] (Randell Jesup)    117	 [email protected] (Jeffrey Kaplan )    118	 Joel B Levin <[email protected]>    119	 [email protected] (Joe Moulins)    120	 "John DiLeo, CSB" <[email protected]>    121	 John G Dobnick <[email protected]>    122	 John Magnus Collins <[email protected]>    123	 John Maraist <[email protected]>    124	 [email protected] (John R. Dennison)    125	 "Julian Lorkin" <[email protected]>    126	 Justin Decheck <[email protected]>    127	 Jyrki Kuoppala <[email protected]>    128	 [email protected] (Where did spring go?)    129	 [email protected] (Chris n Vickie)    130	 "Kauto Huopio, OH5LFM" <[email protected]>    131	 [email protected] (Roger Keating)    132	 [email protected]    133	 Kenneth Suzan <[email protected]>    134	 [email protected] (Kristin Scott)    135	 [email protected] (Jeremy Styninger)    136	 [email protected] (Chia-Liang Liu)    137	 Loren Omoto <[email protected]>    138	 Ludwig van Duane <[email protected]>    139	 [email protected]    140	 [email protected] (Steve Otruba)    141	 [email protected]    142	 [email protected] (Malcolm Humes)    143	 [email protected]    144	 [email protected] (Marck L. Bailey)    145	 "Marianne Pierry" <[email protected]>    146	 [email protected]    147	 "Mark C. Lawrence" <[email protected]>    148	 Mark Cox <[email protected]>    149	 "Mark E. Bailey" <[email protected]>    150	 [email protected] (Mark Guidotti)    151	 Matteo Cardin 274008 <[email protected]>    152	 Matthew Ballantine <[email protected]>    153	 Matthew Lyle <[email protected]>    154	 "Maxime Taksar" [email protected]>    155	 [email protected] (Mike Northam)    156	 [email protected] (Mike Butts)    157	 nbc1.ge.com!stone (Anthony Stone)    158	 mcdchg!motatl!gatech!pavnet.pcn.org!pep (Phil Pavarini Jr.)    159	 [email protected] (Marc Gabriel)    160	 [email protected]    161	 [email protected] (Michael of Nebadon)    162	 [email protected]    163	 [email protected] (Michael Rygol)    164	 [email protected]    165	 [email protected]    166	 Mitch Kazel <[email protected]>    167	 [email protected]    168	 [email protected] (MIKE WARD)    169	 [email protected]    170	 [email protected] (Stephen Bashore)    171	 [email protected] (Mark Shneyder 432-4219)    172	 Nigel Wheatley <[email protected]>    173	 [email protected]    174	 Not Sure Who I Am <[email protected]>    175	 Patton M. Turner <[email protected]>    176	 Paul Stimpson <[email protected]>    177	 [email protected]    178	 [email protected] (Phil Howard KA9WGN / I am the NRA)    179	 "Peter A. Clausen" <[email protected]>    180	 Peter Cherian Abraham <[email protected]>    181	 [email protected]    182	 [email protected] (Tim Pozar)    183	 [email protected]    184	 [email protected] (Andrew Reynhout)    185	 [email protected]    186	 [email protected]    187	 "Richard Crowley, AL3-60, 503-642-6705" <[email protected]>    188	 Richard Mee <[email protected]>    189	 [email protected] (Richard O. Jones)    190	 Rick Nimtz <[email protected]>    191	 [email protected] (Risto Kotalampi)    192	 [email protected] (Robert E. Link)    193	 rogue%cs.utexas.edu (Dwight Everhart)    194	 [email protected] (Admin)    195	 [email protected]    196	 [email protected] (Rick Morrow)    197	 Ryan Christian Nelson <[email protected]>    198	 [email protected] (Steve A. Feinstein)    199	 [email protected]    200	 Scott Fybush <[email protected]>    201	 "Seth Klein" <[email protected]>    202	 "Seth Tisue" <[email protected]>    203	 Simon P Aulton <[email protected]>    204	 [email protected] (Scott Loftesness)    205	 [email protected] (Scott P. Toenniessen)    206	 [email protected] (Steve Steinberg)    207	 Steve Bauer <[email protected]>    208	 [email protected]    209	 STUWILKR%[email protected]    210	 The Gary Allen Show <[email protected]>    211	 The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA    212	 THEY CALL ME RIGHTOUS <[email protected]>    213	 Thomas Lapp [email protected]>    214	 Tim Myers <[email protected]>    215	 [email protected] (Ted Koppel)    216	 To make no mistakes - make no decisions <[email protected]>    217	 [email protected]    218	 Tom Limoncelli <[email protected]>    219	 Tony Joines <[email protected]>    220	 [email protected] (Kelly Reese)    221	 [email protected] (John Starta)    222	 U of E Radio <[email protected]>    223	 [email protected] (William Graham)    224	 [email protected] (Veli-Matti Anttila)    225	 [email protected] (Robert F Casey)    226	 "W.DEVONPORT" <[email protected]>    227	 [email protected] (Eric Weaver)    228	 WEOS-FM [email protected]>    229	 "WFFT - Radio, F M Operations" <[email protected]>    230	 [email protected] (Wayne Greene)    231	 What's with the 3 watches? <[email protected]>    232	 YO-YO MAN <[email protected]>    233	 Zimri Smith <[email protected]>    234	 zygot.ati.com!john (John Higdon)           These people votes no;        1	 V. Balaji" <[email protected]>      2	 [email protected] (Randall Atkinson)      3	 [email protected] (LT J.D. Baldwin)      4	 bongo.info.com!julian (Julian Macassey)      5	 brspyr1.brs.com!schwartz (David Schwartz)      6	 "byrns-j" <[email protected]>      7	 [email protected] (Carl Rigney)      8	 Clayton Glad <[email protected]>      9	 [email protected] (Christopher Ward)     10	 David L. Wilson <[email protected]>     11	 <[email protected]> (Eli Messinger)     12	 [email protected] (Edward P. Piecewicz)     13	 [email protected] (Evan L. Marcus [Fusion Systems Group, Ltd.])     14	 "Gary D. Archer" <[email protected]>     15	 [email protected] (Tracy K. Wood/KD0UP)     16	 Jay Maynard <[email protected]>     17	 John Peng-Yung Cheng <[email protected]>     18	 JOSHUA HOSSEINOFF <[email protected]>     19	 "Kenton A. Hoover" <[email protected]>     20	 [email protected] (John E.Krauss)     21	 [email protected] (mehta)     22	 [email protected] (Mike Palmer)     23	 [email protected] (Ralph Brandi)     24	 [email protected] (Richard H. Miller)     25	 <[email protected]>     26	 Rodney Chen <[email protected]>     27	 [email protected] ("Duckie" Shiau)     28	 [email protected]     29	 sv001.sandiego.ncr.com!kevin (Kevin Sanders 3602)     30	 Timothy VanFosson <[email protected]>     31	 Tom Fitzgerald	<[email protected]>     32	 [email protected] (Tommy Olsen)     33	 [email protected] (Tom Albrecht)     34	 Vince Mehringer <[email protected]>   After the 5 day waiting period, baring and 'serious' objection,  rec.radio.broadcasting should be newgrouped and appear at your site.  If your site does not carry rec.* groups, contact me for information on direct posting, and possible e-mail distribution.  My e-mail address is  [email protected] (William Pfeiffer)  Thanks to all who participated.  	 William  From [email protected] Tue Sep 12 10:45:22 1995 Xref: rpi news.announce.newgroups:1843 news.groups:39579 rec.radio.noncomm:1292 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.radio.noncomm,rec.radio.misc Path: rpi!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Bill Pfeiffer) Subject: RFD:  rec.radio.broadcasting Followup-To: news.groups Sender: [email protected] Nntp-Posting-Host: cs.rpi.edu Organization: Gagme Public Access UNIX, Chicago, Illinois. Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1992 03:02:44 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 121 Status: RO X-Status:   This is a call for discussion on the creation of a new Usenet newsgroup, tentitively entitled rec.radio.broadcasting. I am proposing that this newsgroup be moderated, and barring any serious objection, I am offering  my time and energy to BE that moderator.  As the 'statement of charter' indicates, I believe that a group of this type is needed on Usenet because there is no current newsgroup dealing  with the general subject of radio broadcasting. Yet radio is, arguably, the most consumed of all mass media, in terms of actual person/hours of exposure.  People listen to radio in their cars, in their offices,  while jogging, dining, reading, getting ready for work, commuting,  and just about any other conceivable activity. Radio shapes our opinions, perceptions, musical tastes, and (hopefully) stimulates our imagination.  For these reasons, and others, I propose the creation of this newsgroup.  I suggest a 'moderated' format, for these reasons.  1) A properly moderated group generally produces a more concise and    cohesive product w/less "net-clutter" and a higher signal/noise ratio.  2) If the moderator is knowledgable in the subject matter covered in    the newsgroup, s/he can be of assistance in responding to questions    posed to the group which might, otherwise, go un-answered.  3) Moderation of a newsgroup means different things to differnet people.      My concept of moderation is simply to act as a buffer, weeding out    test messages, repetitive, abusive or 'grossly off topic' messages,    and to re-direct misplaced articles to appropriate newsgroups, where    possible.  I am an experienced broadcaster, and have had an avid interest in the  medium since early childhood.  I would consider moderating this group an honor and a pleasure, because of my respect for the medium, and the  people in it.  Plus, I have time and willingness to dedicate to such a  project.    The tentitive name of 'rec.radio.broadcasting' (r.r.b) is, of course, open to change if a better title can be created.  While the charter of the group suggests potential topics which are not specifically recreational,  I tend to feel that 'rec' might be the be the most appropriate heading since  the only other Usenet group dealing with domestic broadcast radio  (rec.radio.noncomm) uses this heading and therefore r.r.b would be a good companion group.   I considered the name 'talk.radio.broadcasting', but felt there might be a misunderstanding that the group was centered around the 'talk radio' format.  Perhaps something like 'talk.broadcasting.radio' might be  a good alternative, but that will be determined by you folks "out there in Usenet-land" :), assuming that the process gets that far.    I do not envision r.r.b to be a replacement for any other newsgroup, including rec.radio.noncomm.  The latter group's focus is on a specific genre of radio and therfore I feel the two groups would compliment, rather than compete with, one another.        ****** Statement of charter; rec.radio.broadcasting. *********  Rec.radio.broadcasting (r.r.b) will be for discussion of a wide variety of subjects pertaining to the general arena of entertainment/information radio.  While not specifically limited to North American broadcasting, r.r.b will avoid dealing with international (shortwave) broadcasts because this topic is already being handled in rec.radio.shortwave.  Valid subjects for discussion might include (but not be limited to);  1) Programming and formats  2) Technical and engineering matters  3) Concerns of smaller market stations 4) Innovations and legislation affecting the medium                        (and those attempting to enter it) 5) Radio's historical & cultural significance 6) Radio news coverage and it's impact on our nation and our world.  7) Audience input and ideas for improving the state of radio broadcasting.   Since rec.radio.noncommercial is the only Usenet group pertaining to  domestic broadcast radio, r.r.b would provide a forum for those  individuals who's interest in the medium is not limited to the  non-commercial arena.  I believe this group would be of great interest to Usenet participants because ...   1) Everybody listens to, and is affected by, radio broadcasting.  It    is the only mass media in which one can fully participate, while    engaged in another activity.  2) Colleges and universities currently train, and graduate, thousands of    potential radio professionals every year.  These individuals would    be very likely to participate in such a forum to discuss and compare    notes on their chosen field of endeavor.    3) The face of radio is always changing. Satellite feeds, automation,    and other influences are molding the future of the medium.  This    newsgroup would be a link between interested parties from all corners    of the industry, keeping one-another up to date on the latest trends    impacting radio broadcasting in America an beyond.  ********************** End Of Statement Of Charter *********************  I welcome your comments and suggestions. If all goes reasonably well I will be putting out a 'Call For Votes' in about a month and hopefully the Usenet community will agree that such a group would be a valuable addition to it's heirarchy.  Since this is not a proposal for 'splitting' an existing newsgroup, but rather for the creation of a group to fill a 'vacancy', I hope you will seriously consider a positive response to this proposal even if you, yourself, are not particularily involved or interested in broadcasting.  Such a group could only augment the  already diverse spectrum of Usenet newsgroups.  Feel encouraged to post responses to news.groups, and/or to e-mail me directly at the following address.  [email protected]      send c.c. to.. [email protected]  Thank you.  William D. Pfeiffer  
 
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