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From [email protected] Sat Apr  4 02:52:04 1992
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From: [email protected] (Steve Simmons)
Subject: RFD:  rec.arts.comics.strips
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Several weeks ago I posted a preliminary RFD to these same groups about
a new group, rec.arts.comics.strips.  The discussion has been sparse but
almost universally positive.  It's not clear if there's enough interest
to really get the minimum vote, but neither is it clear that such a
proposal is doomed.

One or two respondants suggested alternate names, but seemed to have
no strong opinions either way.

Based on this, I'm moving to a formal RFD on establishing the group.
My original posting, slightly modified based on suggestions from
various folks, follows:

-------------------------------------------------------------------

The creation and steady activity of rec.arts.comics.marketplace as first
subgroup in rec.arts.comics has proven the viability of establishing
subgroups for r.a.c.

Past discussions of splitting r.a.c have foundered on an inability to
divide the group rationally.  70 to 90% of the traffic (by my seat-of-
the-pants estimate) is on "mainstream" comics, and there seems to
be no good way to divide it.  This RFD is *NOT* proposing any general
split of r.a.c.  It proposes to use the creation of r.a.c.m as a model
for taking one specific subgroup of comics and create a new group for
that specific topic.

Proposed charter:

Rec.arts.comics.strips is for discussion of comic "strips" as opposed
to comic books.  The classic form for comic strips is the Funny Pages
of American newspapers, but can and should include monthly strips such
as those seen in National Lampoon, editorial cartoons, etc.  The group
will be unmoderated.

Rationale:

Comic strip readers are a much larger group than comic book fans.  A
very successful comic book will sell 100,000 copies per month.  By
contrast, popular comic strips are read by millions every day.  Those
comic strip readers who are not comic book fans neither read nor
contribute to r.a.c; their interests are not served by it.

Why a subgroup rather than a new group?  Comic books and comic strips
are closely related.  Some characters are published in both media.
With the exception of "Peanuts" and a few other wildly popular strips,
most reprint collections are done by comic-book related companies.
Strips and books are produced by overlapping sets of writers and artists.
Making r.a.c.s a subgroup of r.a.c will help "kick-start" the group by
immediately drawing off the comic strip postings from r.a.c, and should
provide interesting cross-fertilization between the two.

Also, potential future splits of r.a.c should be kept in mind.  Someday
we will have other narrow subgroups of comics, and keeping things in
a tree makes more sense than having a number of very similar groups
directly under an already crowded rec.arts.

Some counter arguements:

Is there enough existing traffic?  Yes and no.  A simple count of comic
strip articles in r.a.c shows no more than two or three per day maximum.
By contrast, I'm seeing more and more requests for comic strip discussion
in other groups.  The idea has been floated at least twice in the last
30 days by separate individuals in separate newsgroups (outside
rec.arts.comics).  One recent poster suggested a group devoted to Peanuts.
It seems there's interest there; the problem is finding the people.

Why not a mailing list as proof of interest?  Good question.  There are
several comic-book oriented mailing lists, but no strips mailing lists
I know of.  I already run one mailing list (non-comics), and am
starting two more.  For me, it's out of the question.  In addition, I
think the strip reader is a very different individual than the comic
book reader.  There does not seem to be the same white-hot fab activity
for strips that there is for books.  IMHO, this is a result of the
daily fix vs. the monthly (or longer) wait for the book.  In any case,
that general lower activity level means no high-intensity person has
built and and pushed a mailing list.

At this time I'm especially interested in other groups where the
discussion should be carried on, in hopes of finding those potential
readers.  Don't send me suggestions, repost this note in those
groups and make sure it's cross-posted to r.a.c and news.groups.  This
posting is being sent to the following groups:

rec.arts.comics
rec.arts.comics.marketplace
news.groups
rec.arts.books
rec.arts.sf.misc
rec.humor

In addition, I will drop a copy to the comix mailing list and comics-l.
-- 
 "Usenet is not a right."  -- Chip Salzenberg
 "Usenet is a right, a left, a jab, and a sharp uppercut to the jaw.
 The postman hits!  You have new mail."   -- Ed Vielmetti

From [email protected] Sat Apr  4 03:21:14 1992
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From: [email protected] (Steve Simmons)
Subject: CFV:  rec.arts.comics.strips
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Call For Votes: rec.arts.comic.strips

The creation and steady activity of rec.arts.comics.marketplace as
first subgroup in rec.arts.comics has proven the viability of
establishing subgroups for r.a.c.

Past discussions of splitting r.a.c have foundered on an inability to
divide the group rationally.  70 to 90% of the traffic (by my seat-of-
the-pants estimate) is on "mainstream" comics, and there seems to be no
good way to divide it.  This CFV is *not* for a general split of
r.a.c.  It proposes to use the creation of r.a.c.m as a model for
taking one specific subgroup of comics and create a new group for that
specific topic.

Charter:

Rec.arts.comics.strips is for discussion of comic "strips" as opposed
to comic books.  The classic form for comic strips is the Funny Pages
of American newspapers, but the group is not limited to discussion of
strips of this form.  Other forms such as editorial cartoons,
single-panel cartoons such as by Glen Larson or Charles Addams, strips
>from less frequent periodicals such as National Lampoon, etc, are all
acceptable.  The group will be unmoderated.

Rationale For:

Comic strip readers are a much larger group than comic book fans.  A
very successful comic book will sell 100,000 copies per month.  By
contrast, popular comic strips are read by millions every day.  Those
comic strip readers who are not comic book fans neither read nor
contribute to r.a.c; their interests are not served by it.

Why a subgroup rather than a new group?  Comic books and comic strips
are closely related.  Some characters are published in both media.
With the exception of "Peanuts" and a few other wildly popular strips,
most reprint collections are done by comic-book related companies.
Strips and books are produced by overlapping sets of writers and
artists.  Making r.a.c.s a subgroup of r.a.c will help "kick-start" the
group by immediately drawing off the comic strip postings from r.a.c,
and should provide interesting cross-fertilization between the two.

Also, potential future splits of r.a.c should be kept in mind.  Someday
we will have other narrow subgroups of comics, and keeping things in a
tree makes more sense than having a number of very similar groups
directly under an already crowded rec.arts.

Some counter arguements:

Is there enough existing traffic?  Yes and no.  Before the discussion
began, a simple count of comic strip articles in r.a.c shows no more
than two or three per day maximum.  By contrast, I'm seeing more and
more requests for comic strip discussion in other groups.  The idea was
floated at least twice by separate individuals in separate newsgroups
(outside rec.arts.comics) in the 30 days before the formal
disucussion.  One recent poster suggested a group devoted to Peanuts.
It seems there's interest there; the problem is finding the people.
Since the beginning of the discussion period, there has been a large
upsurge in the use of "SUBJECT: STRIPS" in rec.arts.comics.  I take
this as a clear indication of interest in strips, one which will be
well-served by the creation of this group.

Why not a mailing list as proof of interest?  Good question.  There are
several comic-book oriented mailing lists, but no strips mailing lists
I know of.  I already run one mailing list (non-comics), and am
starting two more.  For me, it's out of the question.  In addition, I
think the strip reader is a very different individual than the comic
book reader.  There does not seem to be the same white-hot fan activity
for strips that there is for books.  IMHO, this is a result of the
daily fix vs. the monthly (or longer) wait for the book.  In any case,
that general lower activity level means no high-intensity person has
built and and pushed a mailing list.

Summary of Past Discussion:

Thirty days ago the Call For Discussion for rec.arts.comics.strips was
posted.  It was preceeded by about 45 days of informal discussion.
Both discussions has been sparse but almost universally positive.  It's
still not clear if there's enough interest to really get the minimum
vote, but neither is it clear that such a proposal is doomed.

Two specific points were raised during the formal discussion.

First, a number of people were not clear on whether or not the charter
permitted other forms of printed cartoons such as editorial cartoons,
single-panel strips, non-serial strips or single panels, etc.  Since it
was clear these were desired by the posters, I have modified the
charter to make that inclusion clearer.

Second, there was some low-level discussion on the name.  In
particular, several people suggested rec.arts.comic-strips.  However,
no one was vehemently for or against r.a.c-s, and others were in favor
of the original proposal.  Since there is general support for the name
and no strong opposition, we will vote with the name r.a.c.strips.

Vote-Taker Ethics and Actions:

During the voting period, I will abstain from campaigning in any way,
shape or form.  My only activities will be the initial posting of this
CFV, its distribution to several mailing lists and related newsgroups,
and a re-posting of same at regular intervals.  I will issue mass
acknowlegments.  Individual acks will be issued only if (a) you ask for
it, and (b) my time permits.

How To Vote:

To vote yes:
  Send any message to [email protected]

To vote no:
  Send any message to [email protected]

Note that neither of these are aliases for me, so mail sent to them
will probably never be seen by a human being.  All votes must be
received by 31 March 1992, 23:59 GMT.

This notice is cross-posted to:

rec.arts.comics rec.arts.comics.marketplace news.groups rec.arts.books
rec.arts.sf.misc rec.humor alt.manga

In addition, I will drop a copy to the comix mailing list and comics-l.
-- 
  "I heard Oliver Stone's next movie was going to be about OSF."
	Paul Killey

From [email protected] Sat Apr  4 03:26:18 1992
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From: [email protected] (Steve Simmons)
Subject: 2nd CFV:  rec.arts.comics.strips
Followup-To: poster
Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence)
Organization: Industrial Technology Institute
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1992 16:41:38 GMT
Approved: [email protected]

Changes since previous call --

  o  "Glen Larson" was corrected to "Gary Larson".

  o  One instance of "comic.strips" was corrected to
     "comics.strips."

  o  This and subsequent reposts are not being distributed to
     the various mailing lists.

  o  rec.arts.anime has been added to the distribution list.

The complete text of the original CFV with the above changes is at
the bottom of this note.

A mass ACK will be going out later this week.  Voting will continue
until March 31.

Steve Simmons
March 12, 1992

======================================================================

2nd Call For Votes: rec.arts.comics.strips

The creation and steady activity of rec.arts.comics.marketplace as
first subgroup in rec.arts.comics has proven the viability of
establishing subgroups for r.a.c.

Past discussions of splitting r.a.c have foundered on an inability to
divide the group rationally.  70 to 90% of the traffic (by my seat-of-
the-pants estimate) is on "mainstream" comics, and there seems to be no
good way to divide it.  This CFV is *not* for a general split of
r.a.c.  It proposes to use the creation of r.a.c.m as a model for
taking one specific subgroup of comics and create a new group for that
specific topic.

Charter:

Rec.arts.comics.strips is for discussion of comic "strips" as opposed
to comic books.  The classic form for comic strips is the Funny Pages
of American newspapers, but the group is not limited to discussion of
strips of this form.  Other forms such as editorial cartoons,
single-panel cartoons such as by Gary Larson or Charles Addams, strips
>from less frequent periodicals such as National Lampoon, etc, are all
acceptable.  The group will be unmoderated.

Rationale For:

Comic strip readers are a much larger group than comic book fans.  A
very successful comic book will sell 100,000 copies per month.  By
contrast, popular comic strips are read by millions every day.  Those
comic strip readers who are not comic book fans neither read nor
contribute to r.a.c; their interests are not served by it.

Why a subgroup rather than a new group?  Comic books and comic strips
are closely related.  Some characters are published in both media.
With the exception of "Peanuts" and a few other wildly popular strips,
most reprint collections are done by comic-book related companies.
Strips and books are produced by overlapping sets of writers and
artists.  Making r.a.c.s a subgroup of r.a.c will help "kick-start" the
group by immediately drawing off the comic strip postings from r.a.c,
and should provide interesting cross-fertilization between the two.

Also, potential future splits of r.a.c should be kept in mind.  Someday
we will have other narrow subgroups of comics, and keeping things in a
tree makes more sense than having a number of very similar groups
directly under an already crowded rec.arts.

Some counter arguements:

Is there enough existing traffic?  Yes and no.  Before the discussion
began, a simple count of comic strip articles in r.a.c shows no more
than two or three per day maximum.  By contrast, I'm seeing more and
more requests for comic strip discussion in other groups.  The idea was
floated at least twice by separate individuals in separate newsgroups
(outside rec.arts.comics) in the 30 days before the formal
disucussion.  One recent poster suggested a group devoted to Peanuts.
It seems there's interest there; the problem is finding the people.
Since the beginning of the discussion period, there has been a large
upsurge in the use of "SUBJECT: STRIPS" in rec.arts.comics.  I take
this as a clear indication of interest in strips, one which will be
well-served by the creation of this group.

Why not a mailing list as proof of interest?  Good question.  There are
several comic-book oriented mailing lists, but no strips mailing lists
I know of.  I already run one mailing list (non-comics), and am
starting two more.  For me, it's out of the question.  In addition, I
think the strip reader is a very different individual than the comic
book reader.  There does not seem to be the same white-hot fan activity
for strips that there is for books.  IMHO, this is a result of the
daily fix vs. the monthly (or longer) wait for the book.  In any case,
that general lower activity level means no high-intensity person has
built and and pushed a mailing list.

Summary of Past Discussion:

Thirty days ago the Call For Discussion for rec.arts.comics.strips was
posted.  It was preceeded by about 45 days of informal discussion.
Both discussions has been sparse but almost universally positive.  It's
still not clear if there's enough interest to really get the minimum
vote, but neither is it clear that such a proposal is doomed.

Two specific points were raised during the formal discussion.

First, a number of people were not clear on whether or not the charter
permitted other forms of printed cartoons such as editorial cartoons,
single-panel strips, non-serial strips or single panels, etc.  Since it
was clear these were desired by the posters, I have modified the
charter to make that inclusion clearer.

Second, there was some low-level discussion on the name.  In
particular, several people suggested rec.arts.comic-strips.  However,
no one was vehemently for or against r.a.c-s, and others were in favor
of the original proposal.  Since there is general support for the name
and no strong opposition, we will vote with the name r.a.c.strips.

Vote-Taker Ethics and Actions:

During the voting period, I will abstain from campaigning in any way,
shape or form.  My only activities will be the initial posting of this
CFV, its distribution to several mailing lists and related newsgroups,
and a re-posting of same at regular intervals.  I will issue mass
acknowlegments.  Individual acks will be issued only if (a) you ask for
it, and (b) my time permits.

How To Vote:

To vote yes:
  Send any message to [email protected]

To vote no:
  Send any message to [email protected]

Note that neither of these are aliases for me, so mail sent to them
will probably never be seen by a human being.
-- 
"One could implement POSIX using a very fast and very smart cockroach."
  Donald A. Lewine, <[email protected]> in comp.std.unix

From [email protected] Sat Apr  4 03:28:28 1992
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From: [email protected] (Steve Simmons)
Subject: VOTE ACK:  rec.arts.comics.strips
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Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence)
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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1992 07:23:32 GMT
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"Dave Schaumann" <hela!cs.arizona.edu!dave>
"James E. Anderson, m/s 112-103, Comnet 435-5447"
"Jamie L. Spriggs" <hela!faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU!jls3u>
"Jonathan D. Lyness" <hela!andrew.cmu.edu!jl6e+>
"Jonathan R. Ferro" <hela!andrew.cmu.edu!jf41+>
"Magnum"  <hela!loke.dhhalden.no!OLEO>
"Maxime Taksar" <hela!latour.berkeley.edu!mmt>
"Michael S. Schiffer" <hela!midway.uchicago.edu!mss2>
"Murthy Yenamandra" <hela!cs.umn.edu!yenamand>
"Norman St. John Polevaulter" <hela!PSUVM.PSU.EDU!MBS110>
"Patrick T. Lessard" <hela!EARLHAM.BITNET!PATRICKL>
"Peter Davis, MLO1-2/U44, DTN 223-9045  05-Mar-1992 1047" <hela!3d.enet.dec.com!davis>
"Ross Whitwam 865-0658" <hela!PSUVM.PSU.EDU!REW4>
"Tony Kim, User Services Consultant, Pomona College"
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Addie Silva <hela!sdd.hp.com!addie>
Adina Adler <hela!Athena.MIT.EDU!pho>
Andrew David Weiland <hela!andrew.cmu.edu!aw1s+>
Andy Malis <hela!BBN.COM!malis>
Ben Cohen <hela!st.canard.spc.edu!ben>
Bob Cadman <hela!uxa.cso.uiuc.edu!rvc40592>
COLLIN MCCULLEY <hela!ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu!V148RB5B>
Chris Anderson <hela!alexia.lis.uiuc.edu!anderson>
Chuck Carroll <hela!uxa.cso.uiuc.edu!cec35848>
Colin Edward Mac Donald <hela!ug.cs.dal.ca!colin>
Daniel Hinojosa <hela!hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com!hinojosa>
Darren Wilcox <hela!sdd.hp.com!darren>
Dave Murphy <hela!wam.umd.edu!djmurphy>
David Aronson <hela!largo.triple-i.com!dfa>
David Goldfarb <hela!ocf.Berkeley.EDU!goldfarb>
David Greene <hela!andrew.cmu.edu!dg1v+>
David Hsu <hela!CS.Stanford.EDU!dhsu>
Dawn Eskridge <hela!uranus.georgetown.edu!dawn>
Ed Baker <hela!kronos.com!ed>
Erik Lettang <hela!sdd.hp.com!erikl>
Evan Kirshenbaum <hela!hplerk.hpl.hp.com!evan>
Gabe M Wiener <hela!cunixa.cc.columbia.edu!gmw1>
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Graham West <hela!bradford.ac.uk!G.I.West>
Henry Flournoy <hela!sdd.hp.com!henry>
James Ault <hela!rpi.edu!aultj>
Jeff Hildebrand <hela!cc.swarthmore.edu!jhildeb1>
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From: [email protected] (Steve Simmons)
Subject: RFD:  rec.arts.comics.strips
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Several weeks ago I posted a preliminary RFD to these same groups about
a new group, rec.arts.comics.strips.  The discussion has been sparse but
almost universally positive.  It's not clear if there's enough interest
to really get the minimum vote, but neither is it clear that such a
proposal is doomed.

One or two respondants suggested alternate names, but seemed to have
no strong opinions either way.

Based on this, I'm moving to a formal RFD on establishing the group.
My original posting, slightly modified based on suggestions from
various folks, follows:

-------------------------------------------------------------------

The creation and steady activity of rec.arts.comics.marketplace as first
subgroup in rec.arts.comics has proven the viability of establishing
subgroups for r.a.c.

Past discussions of splitting r.a.c have foundered on an inability to
divide the group rationally.  70 to 90% of the traffic (by my seat-of-
the-pants estimate) is on "mainstream" comics, and there seems to
be no good way to divide it.  This RFD is *NOT* proposing any general
split of r.a.c.  It proposes to use the creation of r.a.c.m as a model
for taking one specific subgroup of comics and create a new group for
that specific topic.

Proposed charter:

Rec.arts.comics.strips is for discussion of comic "strips" as opposed
to comic books.  The classic form for comic strips is the Funny Pages
of American newspapers, but can and should include monthly strips such
as those seen in National Lampoon, editorial cartoons, etc.  The group
will be unmoderated.

Rationale:

Comic strip readers are a much larger group than comic book fans.  A
very successful comic book will sell 100,000 copies per month.  By
contrast, popular comic strips are read by millions every day.  Those
comic strip readers who are not comic book fans neither read nor
contribute to r.a.c; their interests are not served by it.

Why a subgroup rather than a new group?  Comic books and comic strips
are closely related.  Some characters are published in both media.
With the exception of "Peanuts" and a few other wildly popular strips,
most reprint collections are done by comic-book related companies.
Strips and books are produced by overlapping sets of writers and artists.
Making r.a.c.s a subgroup of r.a.c will help "kick-start" the group by
immediately drawing off the comic strip postings from r.a.c, and should
provide interesting cross-fertilization between the two.

Also, potential future splits of r.a.c should be kept in mind.  Someday
we will have other narrow subgroups of comics, and keeping things in
a tree makes more sense than having a number of very similar groups
directly under an already crowded rec.arts.

Some counter arguements:

Is there enough existing traffic?  Yes and no.  A simple count of comic
strip articles in r.a.c shows no more than two or three per day maximum.
By contrast, I'm seeing more and more requests for comic strip discussion
in other groups.  The idea has been floated at least twice in the last
30 days by separate individuals in separate newsgroups (outside
rec.arts.comics).  One recent poster suggested a group devoted to Peanuts.
It seems there's interest there; the problem is finding the people.

Why not a mailing list as proof of interest?  Good question.  There are
several comic-book oriented mailing lists, but no strips mailing lists
I know of.  I already run one mailing list (non-comics), and am
starting two more.  For me, it's out of the question.  In addition, I
think the strip reader is a very different individual than the comic
book reader.  There does not seem to be the same white-hot fab activity
for strips that there is for books.  IMHO, this is a result of the
daily fix vs. the monthly (or longer) wait for the book.  In any case,
that general lower activity level means no high-intensity person has
built and and pushed a mailing list.

At this time I'm especially interested in other groups where the
discussion should be carried on, in hopes of finding those potential
readers.  Don't send me suggestions, repost this note in those
groups and make sure it's cross-posted to r.a.c and news.groups.  This
posting is being sent to the following groups:

rec.arts.comics
rec.arts.comics.marketplace
news.groups
rec.arts.books
rec.arts.sf.misc
rec.humor

In addition, I will drop a copy to the comix mailing list and comics-l.
-- 
 "Usenet is not a right."  -- Chip Salzenberg
 "Usenet is a right, a left, a jab, and a sharp uppercut to the jaw.
 The postman hits!  You have new mail."   -- Ed Vielmetti

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From: [email protected] (Steve Simmons)
Subject: CFV:  rec.arts.comics.strips
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Call For Votes: rec.arts.comic.strips

The creation and steady activity of rec.arts.comics.marketplace as
first subgroup in rec.arts.comics has proven the viability of
establishing subgroups for r.a.c.

Past discussions of splitting r.a.c have foundered on an inability to
divide the group rationally.  70 to 90% of the traffic (by my seat-of-
the-pants estimate) is on "mainstream" comics, and there seems to be no
good way to divide it.  This CFV is *not* for a general split of
r.a.c.  It proposes to use the creation of r.a.c.m as a model for
taking one specific subgroup of comics and create a new group for that
specific topic.

Charter:

Rec.arts.comics.strips is for discussion of comic "strips" as opposed
to comic books.  The classic form for comic strips is the Funny Pages
of American newspapers, but the group is not limited to discussion of
strips of this form.  Other forms such as editorial cartoons,
single-panel cartoons such as by Glen Larson or Charles Addams, strips
>from less frequent periodicals such as National Lampoon, etc, are all
acceptable.  The group will be unmoderated.

Rationale For:

Comic strip readers are a much larger group than comic book fans.  A
very successful comic book will sell 100,000 copies per month.  By
contrast, popular comic strips are read by millions every day.  Those
comic strip readers who are not comic book fans neither read nor
contribute to r.a.c; their interests are not served by it.

Why a subgroup rather than a new group?  Comic books and comic strips
are closely related.  Some characters are published in both media.
With the exception of "Peanuts" and a few other wildly popular strips,
most reprint collections are done by comic-book related companies.
Strips and books are produced by overlapping sets of writers and
artists.  Making r.a.c.s a subgroup of r.a.c will help "kick-start" the
group by immediately drawing off the comic strip postings from r.a.c,
and should provide interesting cross-fertilization between the two.

Also, potential future splits of r.a.c should be kept in mind.  Someday
we will have other narrow subgroups of comics, and keeping things in a
tree makes more sense than having a number of very similar groups
directly under an already crowded rec.arts.

Some counter arguements:

Is there enough existing traffic?  Yes and no.  Before the discussion
began, a simple count of comic strip articles in r.a.c shows no more
than two or three per day maximum.  By contrast, I'm seeing more and
more requests for comic strip discussion in other groups.  The idea was
floated at least twice by separate individuals in separate newsgroups
(outside rec.arts.comics) in the 30 days before the formal
disucussion.  One recent poster suggested a group devoted to Peanuts.
It seems there's interest there; the problem is finding the people.
Since the beginning of the discussion period, there has been a large
upsurge in the use of "SUBJECT: STRIPS" in rec.arts.comics.  I take
this as a clear indication of interest in strips, one which will be
well-served by the creation of this group.

Why not a mailing list as proof of interest?  Good question.  There are
several comic-book oriented mailing lists, but no strips mailing lists
I know of.  I already run one mailing list (non-comics), and am
starting two more.  For me, it's out of the question.  In addition, I
think the strip reader is a very different individual than the comic
book reader.  There does not seem to be the same white-hot fan activity
for strips that there is for books.  IMHO, this is a result of the
daily fix vs. the monthly (or longer) wait for the book.  In any case,
that general lower activity level means no high-intensity person has
built and and pushed a mailing list.

Summary of Past Discussion:

Thirty days ago the Call For Discussion for rec.arts.comics.strips was
posted.  It was preceeded by about 45 days of informal discussion.
Both discussions has been sparse but almost universally positive.  It's
still not clear if there's enough interest to really get the minimum
vote, but neither is it clear that such a proposal is doomed.

Two specific points were raised during the formal discussion.

First, a number of people were not clear on whether or not the charter
permitted other forms of printed cartoons such as editorial cartoons,
single-panel strips, non-serial strips or single panels, etc.  Since it
was clear these were desired by the posters, I have modified the
charter to make that inclusion clearer.

Second, there was some low-level discussion on the name.  In
particular, several people suggested rec.arts.comic-strips.  However,
no one was vehemently for or against r.a.c-s, and others were in favor
of the original proposal.  Since there is general support for the name
and no strong opposition, we will vote with the name r.a.c.strips.

Vote-Taker Ethics and Actions:

During the voting period, I will abstain from campaigning in any way,
shape or form.  My only activities will be the initial posting of this
CFV, its distribution to several mailing lists and related newsgroups,
and a re-posting of same at regular intervals.  I will issue mass
acknowlegments.  Individual acks will be issued only if (a) you ask for
it, and (b) my time permits.

How To Vote:

To vote yes:
  Send any message to [email protected]

To vote no:
  Send any message to [email protected]

Note that neither of these are aliases for me, so mail sent to them
will probably never be seen by a human being.  All votes must be
received by 31 March 1992, 23:59 GMT.

This notice is cross-posted to:

rec.arts.comics rec.arts.comics.marketplace news.groups rec.arts.books
rec.arts.sf.misc rec.humor alt.manga

In addition, I will drop a copy to the comix mailing list and comics-l.
-- 
  "I heard Oliver Stone's next movie was going to be about OSF."
	Paul Killey

From [email protected] Tue Sep 12 10:47:16 1995
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From: [email protected] (Steve Simmons)
Subject: 2nd CFV:  rec.arts.comics.strips
Followup-To: poster
Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence)
Organization: Industrial Technology Institute
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1992 16:41:38 GMT
Approved: [email protected]
Status: RO
X-Status: 

Changes since previous call --

  o  "Glen Larson" was corrected to "Gary Larson".

  o  One instance of "comic.strips" was corrected to
     "comics.strips."

  o  This and subsequent reposts are not being distributed to
     the various mailing lists.

  o  rec.arts.anime has been added to the distribution list.

The complete text of the original CFV with the above changes is at
the bottom of this note.

A mass ACK will be going out later this week.  Voting will continue
until March 31.

Steve Simmons
March 12, 1992

======================================================================

2nd Call For Votes: rec.arts.comics.strips

The creation and steady activity of rec.arts.comics.marketplace as
first subgroup in rec.arts.comics has proven the viability of
establishing subgroups for r.a.c.

Past discussions of splitting r.a.c have foundered on an inability to
divide the group rationally.  70 to 90% of the traffic (by my seat-of-
the-pants estimate) is on "mainstream" comics, and there seems to be no
good way to divide it.  This CFV is *not* for a general split of
r.a.c.  It proposes to use the creation of r.a.c.m as a model for
taking one specific subgroup of comics and create a new group for that
specific topic.

Charter:

Rec.arts.comics.strips is for discussion of comic "strips" as opposed
to comic books.  The classic form for comic strips is the Funny Pages
of American newspapers, but the group is not limited to discussion of
strips of this form.  Other forms such as editorial cartoons,
single-panel cartoons such as by Gary Larson or Charles Addams, strips
>from less frequent periodicals such as National Lampoon, etc, are all
acceptable.  The group will be unmoderated.

Rationale For:

Comic strip readers are a much larger group than comic book fans.  A
very successful comic book will sell 100,000 copies per month.  By
contrast, popular comic strips are read by millions every day.  Those
comic strip readers who are not comic book fans neither read nor
contribute to r.a.c; their interests are not served by it.

Why a subgroup rather than a new group?  Comic books and comic strips
are closely related.  Some characters are published in both media.
With the exception of "Peanuts" and a few other wildly popular strips,
most reprint collections are done by comic-book related companies.
Strips and books are produced by overlapping sets of writers and
artists.  Making r.a.c.s a subgroup of r.a.c will help "kick-start" the
group by immediately drawing off the comic strip postings from r.a.c,
and should provide interesting cross-fertilization between the two.

Also, potential future splits of r.a.c should be kept in mind.  Someday
we will have other narrow subgroups of comics, and keeping things in a
tree makes more sense than having a number of very similar groups
directly under an already crowded rec.arts.

Some counter arguements:

Is there enough existing traffic?  Yes and no.  Before the discussion
began, a simple count of comic strip articles in r.a.c shows no more
than two or three per day maximum.  By contrast, I'm seeing more and
more requests for comic strip discussion in other groups.  The idea was
floated at least twice by separate individuals in separate newsgroups
(outside rec.arts.comics) in the 30 days before the formal
disucussion.  One recent poster suggested a group devoted to Peanuts.
It seems there's interest there; the problem is finding the people.
Since the beginning of the discussion period, there has been a large
upsurge in the use of "SUBJECT: STRIPS" in rec.arts.comics.  I take
this as a clear indication of interest in strips, one which will be
well-served by the creation of this group.

Why not a mailing list as proof of interest?  Good question.  There are
several comic-book oriented mailing lists, but no strips mailing lists
I know of.  I already run one mailing list (non-comics), and am
starting two more.  For me, it's out of the question.  In addition, I
think the strip reader is a very different individual than the comic
book reader.  There does not seem to be the same white-hot fan activity
for strips that there is for books.  IMHO, this is a result of the
daily fix vs. the monthly (or longer) wait for the book.  In any case,
that general lower activity level means no high-intensity person has
built and and pushed a mailing list.

Summary of Past Discussion:

Thirty days ago the Call For Discussion for rec.arts.comics.strips was
posted.  It was preceeded by about 45 days of informal discussion.
Both discussions has been sparse but almost universally positive.  It's
still not clear if there's enough interest to really get the minimum
vote, but neither is it clear that such a proposal is doomed.

Two specific points were raised during the formal discussion.

First, a number of people were not clear on whether or not the charter
permitted other forms of printed cartoons such as editorial cartoons,
single-panel strips, non-serial strips or single panels, etc.  Since it
was clear these were desired by the posters, I have modified the
charter to make that inclusion clearer.

Second, there was some low-level discussion on the name.  In
particular, several people suggested rec.arts.comic-strips.  However,
no one was vehemently for or against r.a.c-s, and others were in favor
of the original proposal.  Since there is general support for the name
and no strong opposition, we will vote with the name r.a.c.strips.

Vote-Taker Ethics and Actions:

During the voting period, I will abstain from campaigning in any way,
shape or form.  My only activities will be the initial posting of this
CFV, its distribution to several mailing lists and related newsgroups,
and a re-posting of same at regular intervals.  I will issue mass
acknowlegments.  Individual acks will be issued only if (a) you ask for
it, and (b) my time permits.

How To Vote:

To vote yes:
  Send any message to [email protected]

To vote no:
  Send any message to [email protected]

Note that neither of these are aliases for me, so mail sent to them
will probably never be seen by a human being.
-- 
"One could implement POSIX using a very fast and very smart cockroach."
  Donald A. Lewine, <[email protected]> in comp.std.unix

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From: [email protected] (Steve Simmons)
Subject: VOTE ACK:  rec.arts.comics.strips
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Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence)
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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1992 07:23:32 GMT
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As of Wednesday March 11, votes have been recieved from the following:

"At least he didn't explode like all the others." <hela!stsci.edu!PHILLIPS>
"Brian Vickers" <hela!isd.Jpl.Nasa.Gov!brian_vickers>
"Chris M. Anderson" <hela!uxa.cso.uiuc.edu!cmag5519>
"Dave Schaumann" <hela!cs.arizona.edu!dave>
"James E. Anderson, m/s 112-103, Comnet 435-5447"
"Jamie L. Spriggs" <hela!faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU!jls3u>
"Jonathan D. Lyness" <hela!andrew.cmu.edu!jl6e+>
"Jonathan R. Ferro" <hela!andrew.cmu.edu!jf41+>
"Magnum"  <hela!loke.dhhalden.no!OLEO>
"Maxime Taksar" <hela!latour.berkeley.edu!mmt>
"Michael S. Schiffer" <hela!midway.uchicago.edu!mss2>
"Murthy Yenamandra" <hela!cs.umn.edu!yenamand>
"Norman St. John Polevaulter" <hela!PSUVM.PSU.EDU!MBS110>
"Patrick T. Lessard" <hela!EARLHAM.BITNET!PATRICKL>
"Peter Davis, MLO1-2/U44, DTN 223-9045  05-Mar-1992 1047" <hela!3d.enet.dec.com!davis>
"Ross Whitwam 865-0658" <hela!PSUVM.PSU.EDU!REW4>
"Tony Kim, User Services Consultant, Pomona College"
"net.spy!" <hela!VM1.TUCC.TRINITY.EDU!MHIGH>
Addie Silva <hela!sdd.hp.com!addie>
Adina Adler <hela!Athena.MIT.EDU!pho>
Andrew David Weiland <hela!andrew.cmu.edu!aw1s+>
Andy Malis <hela!BBN.COM!malis>
Ben Cohen <hela!st.canard.spc.edu!ben>
Bob Cadman <hela!uxa.cso.uiuc.edu!rvc40592>
COLLIN MCCULLEY <hela!ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu!V148RB5B>
Chris Anderson <hela!alexia.lis.uiuc.edu!anderson>
Chuck Carroll <hela!uxa.cso.uiuc.edu!cec35848>
Colin Edward Mac Donald <hela!ug.cs.dal.ca!colin>
Daniel Hinojosa <hela!hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com!hinojosa>
Darren Wilcox <hela!sdd.hp.com!darren>
Dave Murphy <hela!wam.umd.edu!djmurphy>
David Aronson <hela!largo.triple-i.com!dfa>
David Goldfarb <hela!ocf.Berkeley.EDU!goldfarb>
David Greene <hela!andrew.cmu.edu!dg1v+>
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