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From [email protected] Wed Mar 22 16:16:51 1995
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From: Larry Smith <[email protected]>
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Subject: RFD: rec.arts.puppetry
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PROPOSAL
  Name:         rec.arts.puppetry
  Status:       unmoderated
  Description:  Puppets in any form or venue
  Proponent:    Larry Smith <[email protected]>
  Mentor:       Jim Jewett <[email protected]>

RATIONALE
This RFD is prompted by a resurgence of interest in "classical" puppetry,
as shown by the popularity of a number of traveling puppet shows in New
England and elsewhere, and by new "permanent" theater venues, such as
the recent opening of the USA's largest Marionette Opera in New Hampshire,
Puppetry is used in most modern SF productions, either on-screen, with
stop-motion or rod puppets, or off-screen, as with the puppets used to
input motion information into the computer for Jurassic Parks dinosaurs.
This newsgroup would provide a home for all types of discussion related
to puppetry, from high-school productions with marionettes to the Muppets
to the techniques needed to put on recorded shows.

Some of this discussion is on the net already in the form of the group
alt.tv.muppets.  While almost anything in alt.tv.muppets would be
appropriate for rec.arts.puppetry, the tighter focus would likely
leave this group unaffected except for people needing the wider
distribution available in a "big 7" newsgroup.  Puppet discussions
pop up in the most unlikely places - for example, in a recent thread
on rec.models.rockets where rocketeers reminisced about "The Thunder-
birds" and other old supermarionation shows.

CHARTER
rec.arts.puppetry is a newsgroup dedicated to discussing puppets of every
type and about any application that uses them.  Topics can cover any area
in which puppets of any kind are employed.  These can include, but are not
limited to: marionettes, hand puppets, rod puppets, combination puppets
(such as muppets), radio-control or automatic puppets such as animitrons,
shadow puppets and others.  Discussion of venues using puppets, including
both professional, such as the Muppet Show, Thunderbirds, Fireball XL-5
and other SuperMarionation productions, etc, and amateur are also welcome.
Appropriate topics would include how such shows are produced, puppet man-
ipulation techniques, voices, electronics used in puppetry, and can even
verge onto computer animation where input or output comes from puppets.

PROCEDURE
Please note that this is not a call for votes; it is a request for
comments and suggestions on improving the proposal.  Discussion should
take place only in news.groups, after which it may be brought to a vote.

DISTRIBUTION
  alt.tv.muppets
  alt.stagecraft
  rec.arts.theatre.stagecraft
  misc.misc

From [email protected] Sat May 13 00:04:00 1995
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From: [email protected] (Warren Lavallee)
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Subject: CFV: rec.arts.puppetry
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                          FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
                     unmoderated group rec.arts.puppetry

Newsgroups line:
rec.arts.puppetry	For discussion of puppets in any form or venue.

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 2 June 1995.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting
questions only contact Warren Lavallee <[email protected]>.  For
questions about the proposed group contact Larry Smith
<[email protected]>.

DISTRIBUTION
This CFV has been cross posted:
  news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, alt.tv.muppets, alt.stagecraft,
  rec.arts.theatre.stagecraft, misc.misc
And EMailed to:
	[email protected]

CHARTER

rec.arts.puppetry is a newsgroup dedicated to discussing puppets
of every type and about any application that uses them. Topics can
cover any area in which puppets of any kind are employed. These can
include, but are not limited to: marionettes, hand puppets, rod puppets,
combination puppets (such as muppets), radio-control or automatic
puppets such as animitrons, shadow puppets and others. Discussion
of venues using puppets, including both professional, such as the
Muppet Show, Thunderbirds, Fireball XL-5 and other SuperMarionation
productions, etc, and amateur are also welcome. Appropriate topics would
include how such shows are produced, puppet man- ipulation techniques,
voices, electronics used in puppetry, and can even verge onto computer
animation where input or output comes from puppets.

RATIONALE

This CFV is prompted by a resurgence of interest in "classical"
puppetry, as shown by the popularity of a number of traveling puppet
shows in New England and elsewhere, and by new "permanent" theater
venues, such as the recent opening of the USA's largest Marionette
Opera in New Hampshire, Puppetry is used in most modern SF productions,
either on-screen, with stop-motion or rod puppets, or off-screen, as
with the puppets used to input motion information into the computer for
Jurassic Parks dinosaurs. This newsgroup would provide a home for all
types of discussion related to puppetry, from high-school productions
with marionettes to the Muppets to the techniques needed to put on
recorded shows. Puppet discussions pop up in the most unlikely places -
for example, in a recent thread on rec.models.rockets where rocketeers
reminisced about "The Thunder- birds" and other old supermarionation
shows. Puppets are an old, honored, and much-loved art form, and this
newsgroup will provide a good base to bring them forward with us into
cyberspace.

HOW TO VOTE

Send MAIL to:   [email protected]
Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.

Your mail message should contain *one* and only one of the following
statements.  DO NOT QUOTE THIS CFV IN YOUR VOTE.
      I vote YES on rec.arts.puppetry
      I vote NO on rec.arts.puppetry
      I vote ABSTAIN on rec.arts.puppetry
      I CANCEL my vote on rec.arts.puppetry

Neither ABSTAIN nor CANCEL messages are counted as votes; they serve
only to cancel any previous vote. Abstentions are noted in the final
vote list, whereas CANCEL removes your vote from that list entirely.
(This is the only difference between the two.)

Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The
votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge-
ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again.
It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.

If you later change your mind you may vote again; only your last valid
vote will count.

Standard Guidelines for voting apply: no more than one vote per person,
no more than one vote per account. If you attempt multiple votes or
other vote fraud, all your votes may be canceled and your name published.

The complete vote list will be posted with the vote result, including
how each person voted. Note that Usenet votes are not done by secret
ballot.

There will then be a five-day period during which the published vote
list may be corrected and any irregularities addressed. The
requirements for group creation are 100 more YES votes than NO votes,
and 2/3 of all counted votes being YES.

From [email protected] Thu May 25 18:44:41 1995
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From: [email protected] (Warren Lavallee)
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Subject: 2nd CFV: rec.arts.puppetry
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                          LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
                     unmoderated group rec.arts.puppetry

Newsgroups line:
rec.arts.puppetry	For discussion of puppets in any form or venue.

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 2 June 1995.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting
questions only contact Warren Lavallee <[email protected]>.  For
questions about the proposed group contact Larry Smith
<[email protected]>.

DISTRIBUTION
This CFV has been cross posted:
  news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, alt.tv.muppets, alt.stagecraft,
  rec.arts.theatre.stagecraft, misc.misc
And EMailed to:
	[email protected]

CHARTER

rec.arts.puppetry is a newsgroup dedicated to discussing puppets
of every type and about any application that uses them. Topics can
cover any area in which puppets of any kind are employed. These can
include, but are not limited to: marionettes, hand puppets, rod puppets,
combination puppets (such as muppets), radio-control or automatic
puppets such as animitrons, shadow puppets and others. Discussion
of venues using puppets, including both professional, such as the
Muppet Show, Thunderbirds, Fireball XL-5 and other SuperMarionation
productions, etc, and amateur are also welcome. Appropriate topics would
include how such shows are produced, puppet man- ipulation techniques,
voices, electronics used in puppetry, and can even verge onto computer
animation where input or output comes from puppets.

RATIONALE

This CFV is prompted by a resurgence of interest in "classical"
puppetry, as shown by the popularity of a number of traveling puppet
shows in New England and elsewhere, and by new "permanent" theater
venues, such as the recent opening of the USA's largest Marionette
Opera in New Hampshire, Puppetry is used in most modern SF productions,
either on-screen, with stop-motion or rod puppets, or off-screen, as
with the puppets used to input motion information into the computer for
Jurassic Parks dinosaurs. This newsgroup would provide a home for all
types of discussion related to puppetry, from high-school productions
with marionettes to the Muppets to the techniques needed to put on
recorded shows. Puppet discussions pop up in the most unlikely places -
for example, in a recent thread on rec.models.rockets where rocketeers
reminisced about "The Thunder- birds" and other old supermarionation
shows. Puppets are an old, honored, and much-loved art form, and this
newsgroup will provide a good base to bring them forward with us into
cyberspace.

HOW TO VOTE

Send MAIL to:   [email protected]
Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.

Your mail message should contain *one* and only one of the following
statements.  DO NOT QUOTE THIS CFV IN YOUR VOTE.
      I vote YES on rec.arts.puppetry
      I vote NO on rec.arts.puppetry
      I vote ABSTAIN on rec.arts.puppetry
      I CANCEL my vote on rec.arts.puppetry

Neither ABSTAIN nor CANCEL messages are counted as votes; they serve
only to cancel any previous vote. Abstentions are noted in the final
vote list, whereas CANCEL removes your vote from that list entirely.
(This is the only difference between the two.)

Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The
votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge-
ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again.
It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.

If you later change your mind you may vote again; only your last valid
vote will count.

Standard Guidelines for voting apply: no more than one vote per person,
no more than one vote per account. If you attempt multiple votes or
other vote fraud, all your votes may be canceled and your name published.

The complete vote list will be posted with the vote result, including
how each person voted. Note that Usenet votes are not done by secret
ballot.

There will then be a five-day period during which the published vote
list may be corrected and any irregularities addressed. The
requirements for group creation are 100 more YES votes than NO votes,
and 2/3 of all counted votes being YES.

From [email protected] Tue Jun  6 02:36:05 1995
Status: RO
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From: [email protected] (Warren Lavallee)
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Subject: RESULT: rec.arts.puppetry passes 174:12
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                                RESULT
              unmoderated group rec.arts.puppetry passes 174:12

There were 174 YES votes and 12 NO votes, for a total of 186 valid votes.
There were 3 abstains and 8 invalid ballots.

For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO)
votes.   There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.

There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.  If no
serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of
news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter.

  rec.arts.puppetry passed on Mon May 29 19:41:15 1995

Newsgroups line:
rec.arts.puppetry	For discussion of puppets in any form or venue.

This vote was being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting
questions only contact Warren Lavallee <[email protected]>. For questions
about the proposed group contact Larry Smith <[email protected]>.

CHARTER

rec.arts.puppetry is a newsgroup dedicated to discussing puppets
of every type and about any application that uses them. Topics can
cover any area in which puppets of any kind are employed. These can
include, but are not limited to: marionettes, hand puppets, rod puppets,
combination puppets (such as muppets), radio-control or automatic
puppets such as animitrons, shadow puppets and others. Discussion
of venues using puppets, including both professional, such as the
Muppet Show, Thunderbirds, Fireball XL-5 and other SuperMarionation
productions, etc, and amateur are also welcome. Appropriate topics would
include how such shows are produced, puppet man- ipulation techniques,
voices, electronics used in puppetry, and can even verge onto computer
animation where input or output comes from puppets.

[This collection of addresses is (C)1995 by Consultix Computer Services.
Permission is strictly NOT given to use this list or any part thereof to
make a mailing list, or for mass-mailings.  Any other use is fine.]
rec.arts.puppetry Final Vote Ack

Voted Yes
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[email protected]                                           Thea Rhiannon
[email protected]                         R.Concepcion/Rapid T. Rabbit
[email protected]                                     STACY DEREZINSKI
[email protected]                                      Andrew Champion
[email protected]                                       Ann E. Nymann
[email protected]                                                   Maria Bodmann
[email protected]                                                  Alan C. Horn
[email protected]
[email protected]                                            Allison Butler
[email protected]                                            Alvin T. Moser
[email protected]                                   Dr. S. Mazer
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[email protected]                                                        AShub
[email protected]                                                         Amy West
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[email protected]                                          Bradford Clark
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[email protected]                                            Beth Fowler
[email protected]                                                   Bob McCormick
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[email protected]                                             Brian Stokes
[email protected]                        Bart. P. Roccoberton, Jr.
[email protected]                                         BUD WERTHEIM
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[email protected]
[email protected]                                               RUTH STOTTER
[email protected]                                         Chris Stamper
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[email protected]                                                   C. Brown
[email protected]                                         Christopher Piper
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[email protected]                                                Deirdre Creed
[email protected]                                        Carolyn Shaffer
[email protected]                                 Craig Silverstein
[email protected]                                             Carter Tomassi
[email protected]                                                 Chris Vaughn
[email protected]                                CHERYL  WILLOUGHBY
[email protected]                                             Dan Rothschild
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[email protected]                                                  Darek Milewski
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[email protected]                                           Dan Bogdon
[email protected]                                         Dean C. Gahlon
[email protected]                                           Dean Smith
[email protected]                                      Renee A Delong
[email protected]                                           Digital Illusion
[email protected]                                       Mongo Mongo Man
[email protected]                                         That Keith
[email protected]                                                Gregory Edwards
[email protected]                                               Eirik Lie
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[email protected]                                 Tim Wears ETL/XB/G
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[email protected]                                     Ellen Seeling
[email protected]                                          Jim Fisher
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[email protected]                                              MR JIM GAMBLE
[email protected]                                    Timothy K. Nielsen
[email protected]                                  Gretchen Davidian
[email protected]                                           Chris M Gelles
[email protected]                                                Henry, Gregg
[email protected]                                         Nick Gibbins
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[email protected]                                              g.j.hilton
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[email protected]                                                   Dave DeBry
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[email protected]                                             Henry Neeman
[email protected]                                           Daniel J Horn
[email protected]                                      Blitzer T. Wolf
[email protected]                                    BONNIE HUTCHINS
[email protected]                                           Ian Crook
[email protected]                                               Bill Hayes
[email protected]                                    Irina Rempt-Drijfhout
[email protected]                                                Jack Falk
[email protected]                                       Jaime Graham
[email protected]                                                 jim janecek
[email protected]                                                  Joe Dunfee
[email protected]                                          Jennifer Adamson
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[email protected]                                          schloss jonathan m
[email protected]                                                           Jonboy
[email protected]                                             Rebecca
[email protected]                                      Paul and Carol Greene
[email protected]                                  Jeffrey Pinzino
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[email protected]                                          John C Shockey
[email protected]                             Jennifer S. Shoemaker
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[email protected]                                          Kathy Wiemelt
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[email protected]                                               Kurtis Hunter
[email protected]                                                    Kevin P. Inscoe
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[email protected]                                              Leo Brodie
[email protected]                                                  Ross Garmil
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[email protected]                                         Malgosia Askanas
[email protected]                                         JAMES MALONE
[email protected]                                               Mark Levenson
[email protected]                                         LINDA MARTIN
[email protected]                                       Mark Mayerson
[email protected]                                               Ken McCoy
[email protected]                                             Melissa Wahl
[email protected]                                                      staff
[email protected]                                           Mike Hurwicz
[email protected]                                          David R. Villegas
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[email protected]c.nasa.gov                                        Ken Davidian
[email protected]                                        Martha Radginski
[email protected]                                              Marianne Vaughn
[email protected]                                                     NAPRA
[email protected]                                          Nick Ingegneri
[email protected]                                       Nick Francesco
[email protected]                                       Lara D. Nielsen
[email protected]                                    Nadean Meyer
[email protected]                                            MR MARK S SEGAL
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[email protected]                                    Paul A. Teolis
[email protected]                                                   Greywolf
[email protected]                                                  Peggy Hall
[email protected]                          Robert Steven Petersen
[email protected]                                                      Cal
[email protected]                                          The Puppet Co.
[email protected]                                           Ross Browning
[email protected]                                              Rebecca Drayer
[email protected]                                          Rick L. Barr
[email protected]                                                Robert Crawford
[email protected]                                                      Susan Ring
[email protected]                               rinzeldanrinzel
[email protected]                                          Rick Jones
[email protected]                                      Rose Sage
[email protected]                                         Ross Bennett
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[email protected]                                              Russell Koonce
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[email protected]                                                Scott Varga
[email protected]                                             Sara L. Davis
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[email protected]                                              Shauna Stevens
[email protected]                                      Stephanie Haber-Hirsch
[email protected]                                                     Doug Anderson
[email protected]                                      Shripathi Kamath
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[email protected]                                  Peter/Stephen Sjolander
[email protected]                                        Shari Goldin
[email protected]                                              Therfore I am
[email protected]                                           Shana E Seldin
[email protected]                                    Sherri Shubin
[email protected]                                   Jonathan Stadler
[email protected]                                Stephen Sjolander
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[email protected]                                        Talib Huff
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[email protected]                                               tom crochunis
[email protected]                                            Timothy M. Elsey
[email protected]                                                     Terry
tmiller%[email protected]         Timothy K. Miller
[email protected]                                                 Chris Abbott
[email protected]                                   MS NANCY L EILERS-HUGHES
[email protected]                                               ELLY
[email protected]                                   B.L.ade Kinsey
[email protected]                                                         Dan Vie
[email protected]                                          William E. Elston
[email protected]                                                    Bill Jones
[email protected]                                             Karl R. Wurst

Voted No
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[email protected]                                         Cory L. Scott
[email protected]                                               Michiel Wijers
[email protected]                                               Christopher Ward
[email protected]                                                 David W. Crawford
[email protected]                                               Hasnain Khan
[email protected]                                           Patrick J. LoPresti
[email protected]                                               Ryan Waldron
[email protected]                                             Richard H. Miller
[email protected]                                                  Dwight Brown
[email protected]                                                   Tom Randulff
[email protected]                                        Tim Pierce
[email protected]                                         Risto Widenius

Abstained
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[email protected]                              Kenneth P Crouch
[email protected]                                          M Mike Taksar KC6ZPS
[email protected]                               M. `I Got No Strings' Otto


Votes in error
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[email protected]                        Clarence S. Hamilton, Jr.
   ! No vote statement in message
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[email protected]                                                    Eldon Tam
   ! No vote statement in message
[email protected]                                           MR DOUG NEARPASS
   ! No vote statement in message
[email protected]                                         MS ELLEN K DESSLER
   ! No vote statement in message
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[email protected]                                              wilma stutheit
   ! No vote statement in message

 
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