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From [email protected] Mon May  1 18:23:05 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Bo Peng <[email protected]> Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china,alt.taiwan.republic,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,talk.politics.tibet,soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.asian.american Subject: 2nd RFD: soc.culture.china and talk.politics.china reorganization Followup-To: news.groups Date: 1 May 1995 16:10:47 -0400 Organization: Michigan State University Lines: 157 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:6716 news.groups:147044 soc.culture.china:188117 talk.politics.china:19035 alt.taiwan.republic:3652 soc.culture.taiwan:87010 soc.culture.hongkong:108676 talk.politics.tibet:14270 soc.culture.asean:20099 soc.culture.asian.american:93690                       REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)                unmoderated group soc.culture.china.arts             unmoderated group soc.culture.china.philosophy   unmoderated group soc.culture.china.misc renames soc.culture.china             unmoderated group talk.politics.china.overseas           unmoderated group talk.politics.china.unification unmoderated group talk.politics.china.misc renames talk.politics.china  This is the second Request For Discussion on the creation of six new newsgroups, three subgroups under soc.culture.china and three under talk.politics.china, as listed below. All of the proposed groups would be unmoderated. The existing groups, soc.culture.china and talk.politics.china, would be renamed to soc.culture.china.misc and talk.politics.china.misc, respectively.  The primary change since the last version of the RFD is that the originally proposed soc.culture.china.economy is eliminated now, due to the proposal of creating a hierarchy under misc.invest.region, in which misc.invest.region. china is included. The author of this RFD believes such an arrangement would better serve the purpose. Interested netters should look for the RFD on misc.invest.region.china in news.announce.newgroups or backlogs of soc.culture. china. Information on the proposal is provided below.  From: Christopher Stone <[email protected]> Subject: RFD: misc.invest.region.{canada,china,misc,russia} Date: 19 Apr 1995 12:31:25 -0400 Message-ID: <[email protected]>  Proposed Groups: ----------------  soc.culture.china.arts		Music, painting, literature, etc.. soc.culture.china.philosophy	Confucianism, Taoism, etc.. soc.culture.china.misc		Misc. topics related to Chinese culture.  talk.politics.china.overseas	Overseas Chinese community, e.g., IFCSS. talk.politics.china.unification	Unification/independence of Tibet/Taiwan etc.. talk.politics.china.misc	Misc. topics related to Chinese politics.  In effect, soc.culture.china and talk.politics.china would be reorganized into their corresponding hierarchies:  soc.culture.china --+-- .misc                     |                     +-- .arts                     |                     +-- .philosophy  talk.politics.china --+-- .misc                       |                       +-- .overseas                       |                       +-- .unification  Rationale ---------  Many of the existing China-related groups, most notably soc.culture.china, suffer from severe traffic overload. The overwhelming number of posts (often hundreds per day in SCC) diminishes the significance of the groups, prohibiting many from participating in discussions of the related issues, who otherwise would like to. A reorganization of soc.culture.china and talk.politics.china into their corresponding hierarchies would produce a more logical and better organized structure.  Observation of the past history of SCC suggests that certain topics are constantly present. They are of immense interest to only limited groups of netters, while irrelevant to others. One example is issues related to Independent Federation of Chinese Students and Scholars (IFCSS). Other examples include announcements of various overseas Chinese organizations, friend-locating calls, and information and discussion of immigration issues. Under the proposed structure, these posts would go into talk.politics. china.overseas where interested netters could debate without bothering others who consider them irrelevant and uninteresting.  Another constantly present thread in SCC is the unification/independence issue. While there are groups dedicated to Taiwan and Tibet, apparently many posters feel the need to send their messages to netters of other China-related groups, e.g., soc.culture.taiwan cross-posting to soc.culture.china and talk.politics. china. The proposed talk.politics.china.unification would serve as a common place for all sides interested in the issues to exchange their opinions.  soc.culture.china.arts, and soc.culture.philosophy are proposed based on similar considerations. The two miscellaneous subgroups, soc.culture.china.misc and talk.politics.china.misc would substitute their existing counterparts, only with significantly reduced traffic volume.  The specialization should greatly encourage interested netters to obtain related information and discuss related issues, without wading through hundreds or even thousands of posts on topics they are not interested in.  Charter -------  These six groups are intended for those interested in discussions of the corresponding issues related to the Chinese community in general.  soc.culture.china.arts is an unmoderated newsgroup related to various forms of Chinese arts, both traditional and contemporary. The types of arts include, but are not limited to, painting, music, and literature.  soc.culture.china.philosophy is an unmoderated newsgroup related to various schools of Chinese philosophy, such as Confucianism, Taoism, and Buddhism (as a philosophy rather than a religion), as well as their impact on China's history, present, and future.  soc.culture.china.misc is an unmoderated newsgroup related to topics on social and cultural aspects of China that are not listed above.  talk.politics.china.overseas is an unmoderated newsgroup related to political issues in overseas Chinese communities, as compared to the "home world". Examples include IFCSS affairs, immigration issues, and announcements for overseas Chinese communities.  talk.politics.china.unification is an unmoderated newsgroup related to the prospects of unification or independence of various regions of the loosely defined "Grand China Area", such as Taiwan and Tibet. The choice of "unification" versus "independence" for the group's name is for logic reasons only. It does not in any way imply the existence of any pre-defined agenda.  talk.politics.china.misc is an unmoderated newsgroup related to topics on various aspects of China-related politics that are not listed above.  Procedure ---------  Please post all responses to this message to news.groups. If you use the followup feature on your newsreader, this should happen automatically. It is important to understand that all discussions about the merits of this proposal should occur on news.groups only.  This RFD has been posted in accordance with the Guidelines for Newsgroup Creation. Its language is based on previously submitted RFDs. The RFD is being cross-posted to the following relevant groups:        news.announce.newgroups, news.groups,       soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china,alt.taiwan.republic,       soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,talk.politics.tibet,       soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.asian.american  NOTE: Follow ups are defined to ensure that further discussion takes place in       news.groups only. Please watch news.groups if you are interested in the       ensuing discussion.  Future Call for Votes (CFV) ---------------------------  Please do not post any votes now. This is not a call for votes. When the CFV is posted, it will provide instructions on how to mail your votes to the Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (UVV).  ** This is not a call for votes. Please do not vote now. **  =================================================================  Proponent:	Bo Peng			<[email protected]> Mentor:		Taneli Huuskonen	<[email protected]>  From [email protected] Mon May 15 18:18:12 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Jonathan I. Kamens) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,alt.chinese.text,talk.politics.tibet,alt.philosophy.taoism,soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.asian.american Subject: CFV: soc.culture.china, talk.politics.china reorganization Followup-To: poster Date: 15 May 1995 13:41:34 -0400 Organization: UseNet Volunteer Votetakers (UVV) http://www.amdahl.com/ext/uvv/ Lines: 162 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 6 Jun 1995 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:6844 news.groups:149561 soc.culture.china:190080 talk.politics.china:19203 soc.culture.taiwan:88255 soc.culture.hongkong:110462 alt.chinese.text:87914 talk.politics.tibet:14468 alt.philosophy.taoism:377 soc.culture.asean:20284 soc.culture.asian.american:95841  		     FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)                unmoderated group soc.culture.china.arts             unmoderated group soc.culture.china.philosophy   unmoderated group soc.culture.china.misc renames soc.culture.china             unmoderated group talk.politics.china.overseas           unmoderated group talk.politics.china.unification unmoderated group talk.politics.china.misc renames talk.politics.china  Newsgroups lines: soc.cutlure.china.philosophy	Schools of philosophy originated in China soc.culture.china.arts		Chinese fine arts, e.g., painting, music, etc. soc.culture.china.misc		Miscellaneous topics on Chinese culture talk.politics.china.overseas	Political issues related to overseas Chinese talk.politics.china.unification	Unifcn/indpdnc of var. regions related to China talk.politics.china.misc	Miscellaneous topics on Chinese politics  Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 5 June 1995.  This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions only contact Jonathan Kamens <[email protected]> (the votetaker).  For questions about the proposed group contact Bo Peng <[email protected]> (the proponent).  RATIONALE  Many of the existing China-related groups, most notably soc.culture.china, suffer from severe traffic overload. The overwhelming number of posts (often hundreds per day in SCC) diminishes the significance of the groups, prohibiting many from participating in discussions of the related issues, who otherwise would like to. A reorganization of soc.culture.china and talk.politics.china into their corresponding hierarchies would produce a more logical and better organized structure.  Observation of the past history of SCC suggests that certain topics are constantly present. They are of immense interest to only limited groups of netters, while irrelevant to others. One example is issues related to Independent Federation of Chinese Students and Scholars (IFCSS). Other examples include announcements of various overseas Chinese organizations, friend-locating calls, and information and discussion of immigration issues. Under the proposed structure, these posts would go into talk.politics.  china.overseas where interested netters could debate without bothering others who consider them irrelevant and uninteresting.  Another constantly present thread in SCC is the unification/independence issue.  While there are groups dedicated to Taiwan and Tibet, apparently many posters feel the need to send their messages to netters of other China-related groups, e.g., soc.culture.taiwan cross-posting to soc.culture.china and talk.politics.  china. The proposed talk.politics.china.unification would serve as a common place for all sides interested in the issues to exchange their opinions.  soc.culture.china.arts, and soc.culture.philosophy are proposed based on similar considerations. The two miscellaneous subgroups, soc.culture.china.misc and talk.politics.china.misc would substitute their existing counterparts, only with significantly reduced traffic volume.  The specialization should greatly encourage interested netters to obtain related information and discuss related issues, without wading through hundreds or even thousands of posts on topics they are not interested in.  CHARTER  These six groups are intended for those interested in discussions of the corresponding issues related to the Chinese community in general.  soc.culture.china.arts is an unmoderated newsgroup related to various forms of Chinese arts, both traditional and contemporary. The types of arts include, but are not limited to, painting, music, and literature.  soc.culture.china.philosophy is an unmoderated newsgroup related to various schools of Chinese philosophy, such as Confucianism, Taoism, and Buddhism (as a philosophy rather than a religion), as well as their impact on China's history, present, and future.  soc.culture.china.misc is an unmoderated newsgroup related to topics on social and cultural aspects of China that are not listed above.  talk.politics.china.overseas is an unmoderated newsgroup related to political issues in overseas Chinese communities, as compared to the "home world".  Examples include IFCSS affairs, immigration issues, and announcements for overseas Chinese communities.  talk.politics.china.unification is an unmoderated newsgroup related to the prospects of unification or independence of various regions of the loosely defined "Grand China Area", such as Taiwan and Tibet. The choice of "unification" versus "independence" for the group's name is for logic reasons only. It does not in any way imply the existence of any pre-defined agenda.  talk.politics.china.misc is an unmoderated newsgroup related to topics on various aspects of China-related politics that are not listed above.  HOW TO VOTE  Send MAIL to:   [email protected] Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.  Your mail message should contain one of the following lines for each of the groups in question for which you wish to cast a vote:  	vote soc.culture.china.philosophy	YES|NO|ABSTAIN 	vote soc.culture.china.arts		YES|NO|ABSTAIN 	vote soc.culture.china.misc		YES|NO|ABSTAIN 	vote talk.politics.china.overseas	YES|NO|ABSTAIN 	vote talk.politics.china.unification	YES|NO|ABSTAIN 	vote talk.politics.china.misc		YES|NO|ABSTAIN  Replace "YES|NO|ABSTAIN" with either "YES", "NO", or "ABSTAIN", based on whether you want to vote for the group, vote against the group, or cancel a previous vote for or against the group.  *** NOTE ***: A vote in favor of soc.culture.china.misc is also a vote in favor of the removal of soc.culture.china.  Similarly, a vote in favor of talk.politics.china.misc is also a vote in favor of the removal of talk.politics.china.  This is because the two *.misc votes are in fact votes to rename the old soc.culture.china and talk.politics.china newsgroups.   IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES  If your vote is improperly formatted, you will receive an error message indicating the problem.  Otherwise, You should receive an automatic acknowledgement of your vote within three days.  If you do not, contact the votetaker about the problem.  It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.  Only one vote per person, no more than one vote per account. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.  Duplicate votes will be resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote.  Anonymous votes will not be accepted.  Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered anonymous votes.  (The vote must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker.)  In cases where voting fraud is determined to have occurred, it is standard operating procedure to delete ALL votes submitted by the violator.  If you give anyone a copy of the CFV, it must be whole and unmodified.  When in doubt, ask the votetaker.  OFFICIAL SOURCES OF THE CFV  The only official sources for copies of this CFV are the UseNet newsgroups to which it is posted, including news.announce.newgroups, and the votetaker.  Official copy will also be sent to the [email protected] mailing list (subscription address: [email protected]).  --  Jonathan Kamens  |  OpenVision Technologies, Inc.  |   [email protected]  From [email protected] Mon May 29 22:37:16 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Jonathan I. Kamens) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,alt.chinese.text,talk.politics.tibet,alt.philosophy.taoism,soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.asian.american Subject: 2nd CFV: soc.culture.china, talk.politics.china reorganization Supersedes: <[email protected]> Followup-To: poster Date: 28 May 1995 19:17:13 -0400 Organization: UseNet Volunteer Votetakers (UVV) http://www.amdahl.com/ext/uvv/ Lines: 162 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 6 Jun 1995 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:6922 news.groups:151543 soc.culture.china:192209 talk.politics.china:19433 soc.culture.taiwan:89547 soc.culture.hongkong:112120 alt.chinese.text:89578 talk.politics.tibet:14949 alt.philosophy.taoism:521 soc.culture.asean:20400 soc.culture.asian.american:97954  		     SECOND CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)                unmoderated group soc.culture.china.arts             unmoderated group soc.culture.china.philosophy   unmoderated group soc.culture.china.misc (replaces soc.culture.china)             unmoderated group talk.politics.china.overseas           unmoderated group talk.politics.china.unification unmoderated group talk.politics.china.misc (replaces talk.politics.china)  Newsgroups lines: soc.cutlure.china.philosophy	Schools of philosophy originated in China soc.culture.china.arts		Chinese fine arts, e.g., painting, music, etc. soc.culture.china.misc		Miscellaneous topics on Chinese culture talk.politics.china.overseas	Political issues related to overseas Chinese talk.politics.china.unification	Unifcn/indpdnc of var. regions related to China talk.politics.china.misc	Miscellaneous topics on Chinese politics  Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 5 June 1995.  This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions only contact Jonathan Kamens <[email protected]> (the votetaker).  For questions about the proposed group contact Bo Peng <[email protected]> (the proponent).  RATIONALE  Many of the existing China-related groups, most notably soc.culture.china, suffer from severe traffic overload. The overwhelming number of posts (often hundreds per day in SCC) diminishes the significance of the groups, prohibiting many from participating in discussions of the related issues, who otherwise would like to. A reorganization of soc.culture.china and talk.politics.china into their corresponding hierarchies would produce a more logical and better organized structure.  Observation of the past history of SCC suggests that certain topics are constantly present. They are of immense interest to only limited groups of netters, while irrelevant to others. One example is issues related to Independent Federation of Chinese Students and Scholars (IFCSS). Other examples include announcements of various overseas Chinese organizations, friend-locating calls, and information and discussion of immigration issues. Under the proposed structure, these posts would go into talk.politics.  china.overseas where interested netters could debate without bothering others who consider them irrelevant and uninteresting.  Another constantly present thread in SCC is the unification/independence issue.  While there are groups dedicated to Taiwan and Tibet, apparently many posters feel the need to send their messages to netters of other China-related groups, e.g., soc.culture.taiwan cross-posting to soc.culture.china and talk.politics.  china. The proposed talk.politics.china.unification would serve as a common place for all sides interested in the issues to exchange their opinions.  soc.culture.china.arts, and soc.culture.philosophy are proposed based on similar considerations. The two miscellaneous subgroups, soc.culture.china.misc and talk.politics.china.misc would substitute their existing counterparts, only with significantly reduced traffic volume.  The specialization should greatly encourage interested netters to obtain related information and discuss related issues, without wading through hundreds or even thousands of posts on topics they are not interested in.  CHARTER  These six groups are intended for those interested in discussions of the corresponding issues related to the Chinese community in general.  soc.culture.china.arts is an unmoderated newsgroup related to various forms of Chinese arts, both traditional and contemporary. The types of arts include, but are not limited to, painting, music, and literature.  soc.culture.china.philosophy is an unmoderated newsgroup related to various schools of Chinese philosophy, such as Confucianism, Taoism, and Buddhism (as a philosophy rather than a religion), as well as their impact on China's history, present, and future.  soc.culture.china.misc is an unmoderated newsgroup related to topics on social and cultural aspects of China that are not listed above.  talk.politics.china.overseas is an unmoderated newsgroup related to political issues in overseas Chinese communities, as compared to the "home world".  Examples include IFCSS affairs, immigration issues, and announcements for overseas Chinese communities.  talk.politics.china.unification is an unmoderated newsgroup related to the prospects of unification or independence of various regions of the loosely defined "Grand China Area", such as Taiwan and Tibet. The choice of "unification" versus "independence" for the group's name is for logic reasons only. It does not in any way imply the existence of any pre-defined agenda.  talk.politics.china.misc is an unmoderated newsgroup related to topics on various aspects of China-related politics that are not listed above.  HOW TO VOTE  Send MAIL to:   [email protected] Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.  Your mail message should contain one of the following lines for each of the groups in question for which you wish to cast a vote:  	vote soc.culture.china.philosophy	YES|NO|ABSTAIN 	vote soc.culture.china.arts		YES|NO|ABSTAIN 	vote soc.culture.china.misc		YES|NO|ABSTAIN 	vote talk.politics.china.overseas	YES|NO|ABSTAIN 	vote talk.politics.china.unification	YES|NO|ABSTAIN 	vote talk.politics.china.misc		YES|NO|ABSTAIN  Replace "YES|NO|ABSTAIN" with either "YES", "NO", or "ABSTAIN", based on whether you want to vote for the group, vote against the group, or cancel a previous vote for or against the group.  *** NOTE ***: A vote in favor of soc.culture.china.misc is also a vote in favor of the removal of soc.culture.china.  Similarly, a vote in favor of talk.politics.china.misc is also a vote in favor of the removal of talk.politics.china.  This is because the two *.misc votes are in fact votes to rename the old soc.culture.china and talk.politics.china newsgroups.   IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES  If your vote is improperly formatted, you will receive an error message indicating the problem.  Otherwise, You should receive an automatic acknowledgement of your vote within three days.  If you do not, contact the votetaker about the problem.  It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.  Only one vote per person, no more than one vote per account. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.  Duplicate votes will be resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote.  Anonymous votes will not be accepted.  Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered anonymous votes.  (The vote must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker.)  In cases where voting fraud is determined to have occurred, it is standard operating procedure to delete ALL votes submitted by the violator.  If you give anyone a copy of the CFV, it must be whole and unmodified.  When in doubt, ask the votetaker.  OFFICIAL SOURCES OF THE CFV  The only official sources for copies of this CFV are the UseNet newsgroups to which it is posted, including news.announce.newgroups, and the votetaker.  Official copy will also be sent to the [email protected] mailing list (subscription address: [email protected]).  -- Jonathan Kamens  |  OpenVision Technologies, Inc.  |   [email protected]  From [email protected] Tue Jun  6 18:47:24 1995 Status: RO Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Jonathan I. Kamens) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,alt.chinese.text,talk.politics.tibet,alt.philosophy.taoism,soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.asian.american Subject: RESULT: {soc.culture,talk.politics}.china reorganization: all groups fail Supersedes: <[email protected]> Followup-To: news.groups Date: 6 Jun 1995 16:52:44 -0400 Organization: UseNet Volunteer Votetakers (UVV) http://www.amdahl.com/ext/uvv/ Lines: 184 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> 	<[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:7001 news.groups:152597 soc.culture.china:193532 talk.politics.china:19608 soc.culture.taiwan:90450 soc.culture.hongkong:113181 alt.chinese.text:90735 talk.politics.tibet:15163 alt.philosophy.taoism:585 soc.culture.asean:20547 soc.culture.asian.american:98968  				RESULT soc.culture.china, talk.politics.china reorganization -- all groups fail  Group                              Yes     No  Yes - No  % Yes  Passes?  soc.culture.china.arts              57     25        32   69.5  FAIL soc.culture.china.misc              45     40         5   52.9  FAIL soc.culture.china.philosophy        59     24        35   71.1  FAIL talk.politics.china.misc            43     41         2   51.2  FAIL talk.politics.china.overseas        48     30        18   61.5  FAIL talk.politics.china.unification     47     30        17   61.0  FAIL  There is a five-day discussion period after these results are posted. Unless serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the groups may not be voted on again for six months.  Newsgroups lines: soc.cutlure.china.philosophy	Schools of philosophy originated in China soc.culture.china.arts		Chinese fine arts, e.g., painting, music, etc. soc.culture.china.misc		Miscellaneous topics on Chinese culture talk.politics.china.overseas	Political issues related to overseas Chinese talk.politics.china.unification	Unifcn/indpdnc of var. regions related to China talk.politics.china.misc	Miscellaneous topics on Chinese politics  This vote was conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions only contact Jonathan Kamens <[email protected]>. For questions about the proposed groups contact Bo Peng <[email protected]>.   CHARTER  These six groups are intended for those interested in discussions of the corresponding issues related to the Chinese community in general.  soc.culture.china.arts is an unmoderated newsgroup related to various forms of Chinese arts, both traditional and contemporary. The types of arts include, but are not limited to, painting, music, and literature.  soc.culture.china.philosophy is an unmoderated newsgroup related to various schools of Chinese philosophy, such as Confucianism, Taoism, and Buddhism (as a philosophy rather than a religion), as well as their impact on China's history, present, and future.  soc.culture.china.misc is an unmoderated newsgroup related to topics on social and cultural aspects of China that are not listed above.  talk.politics.china.overseas is an unmoderated newsgroup related to political issues in overseas Chinese communities, as compared to the "home world".  Examples include IFCSS affairs, immigration issues, and announcements for overseas Chinese communities.  talk.politics.china.unification is an unmoderated newsgroup related to the prospects of unification or independence of various regions of the loosely defined "Grand China Area", such as Taiwan and Tibet. The choice of "unification" versus "independence" for the group's name is for logic reasons only. It does not in any way imply the existence of any pre-defined agenda.  talk.politics.china.misc is an unmoderated newsgroup related to topics on various aspects of China-related politics that are not listed above.   LIST OF VOTERS AND THEIR VOTES  The list of voters below is arranged, as much as possible, in alphabetical order (case-insensitive) by E-mail address.  Since no single group in this vote received more than 100 "yes" votes, there is no way that improper or incorrect votes could have altered the results of the vote, so I have not bothered to review the list of voters in detail to check for irregularities.  This collection of addresses is Copyright 1995 by Jonathan Kamens. This list or any part of it may not be used to seed a mailing list or to send any sort of mass-mailing to people who voted in this vote. Any other use of the voter list is permitted.                                          talk.politics.china.unification------+                                         talk.politics.china.overseas--------+|                                         talk.politics.china.misc-----------+||                                         soc.culture.china.philosophy------+|||                                         soc.culture.china.misc-----------+||||                                         soc.culture.china.arts----------+|||||                                                                         ||||||                                                                         vvvvvv [email protected]                                             YYYYNN [email protected] (Andrew Chan)                                              YYY  Y "Ananda M. Kar" <[email protected]>                                  NNNNNN Jim Ault <[email protected]>                                           YYYYYY "B.J. Herbison" <[email protected]>                                       Y Y Bo Peng <[email protected]>                                         YYYYYY "H. 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