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From [email protected] Fri Apr 14 17:41:35 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Benjamin Totanes) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.culture.filipino,rec.music.misc,alt.music.world Subject: RFD: rec.music.filipino Followup-To: news.groups Date: 11 Apr 1995 18:06:19 -0400 Organization: NetGate Communicaitons Lines: 83 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:6590 news.groups:144334 soc.culture.filipino:48761 rec.music.misc:176959 alt.music.world:5194                           REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION                           ---------------------- This is a formal Request for Discussion. Please distribute it on all platforms that might be interested. This is not a call for votes--do not try to vote now. This RFD is being posted in compliance with the guidelines set in the "How to create a new Usenet Newsgroup" FAQ regularly posted to news.announce.newgroups.  Please refer to this article if you have any questions about the Newsgroup creation.  You are strongly encouraged to participate in the *discussion* about the possible creation of the newsgroup "rec.music.filipino", in the sole newsgroup intended especially for this purpose: news.groups. All follow-ups have been directed to news.groups. Please stick to this Usenet convention and post your contributions to our discussion in that newsgroup. Please do not post or cross-post your discussion contributions to other newsgroups.  Proposed Group:    rec.music.filipino Alternative names: soc.culture.filipino.music Status:            unmoderated Distribution:      world-wide Proposer:          Benjamin Totanes <[email protected]>  Proposed Newsgroup line: rec.music.filipino	All types and forms of Filipino music.  CHARTER ------- rec.music.filipino will be an unmoderated discussion group on all aspects of music originating from the Philippines. This can include, but is not limited to, Opera, Kundimans/Haranas, Pop, RAP, New Wave, Liturgical and any form: Instrumental, Vocal/Choral, etc.  Exchange of non-copyrighted materials will be encouraged including lyrics sheets, guitar chords and piano music sheets.  The intended audience for this proposed group would be wide ranging, >from beginning students, to those studying in College or University, to professionals involved in teaching, performance, and the persons simply interested in knowing more about the richness of this culture. Because of this diversity, this group has the potential to be enormously useful, as experts can post opinions and comments on addressing particular situations encountered by others.  If the group is successfully created after a positive vote, details will be sent to various Music Colleges and Organizations in the Philippines including the University of the Philippines College of Music.  RATIONALE ---------  Filipinos are mostly musically inclined.  They also easily adapt many types of music to give it a Filipino "flavor". The time has come to gather all the talents and share this with the world.  PROCEDURE ---------  Please post any responses to this message to only to the Usenet Newsgroup "news.groups."  If you use the followup feature on your newsreader, this should happen automatically.  ALL discussion about the merits of this proposal should appear on news.groups.  Unless the discussion indicates a need to resubmit a new RFD, a call for votes (CFV) will be posted approximately four weeks after the posting of this RFD.  Please do not post any votes now.  When the CFV is posted, instructions will be given on how to mail your votes to the independent vote counter.  DISTRIBUTION ------------  This RFD was (cross)-posted to the following Newsgroups:  news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, soc.culture.filipino, rec.music.misc, alt.music.world  When Call For Votes (CFV) is issued, it will also be cross-posted in these groups.  --   [email protected] Jose, CA--SILICON VALLEY  From [email protected] Tue Jun  6 00:07:16 1995 Status: RO Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Michael Handler) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.culture.filipino,rec.music.misc,alt.music.world,alt.fan.lea-salonga Subject: CFV: rec.music.filipino Followup-To: poster Date: 30 May 1995 23:22:36 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 127 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 22 Jun 1995 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] (Michael Handler Voting Alias) NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:6954 news.groups:151832 soc.culture.filipino:54200 rec.music.misc:180428 alt.music.world:5971 alt.fan.lea-salonga:288                            FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)                      unmoderated group rec.music.filipino  Newsgroups line: rec.music.filipino	All types and forms of Filipino music.  Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 21 June 1995.  This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact Michael Handler <[email protected]>. For questions about the proposed group contact Ben Totanes <[email protected]>  RATIONALE  Filipinos are mostly musically inclined.  They also easily adapt many types of music to give it a Filipino "flavor".  During the discussion period, many expressed sincere support and agreed that such a newsgroup would enhance/complement other existing newsgroups such as soc.culture.filipino and alt.fan.lea-salonga.  CHARTER  rec.music.filipino will be an unmoderated discussion group on all aspects of music originating from the Philippines. This can include, but is not limited to, Opera, Kundimans/Haranas, Pop, RAP, New Wave, Liturgical and any form: Instrumental, Vocal/Choral, etc.  Exchange of non-copyrighted materials will be encouraged including lyrics sheets, guitar chords and piano music sheets.  The intended audience for this proposed group would be wide ranging, >from beginning students, to those studying in College or University, to professionals involved in teaching, performance, and the persons simply interested in knowing more about the richness of this culture. Because of this diversity, this group has the potential to be enormously useful, as experts can post opinions and comments on addressing particular situations encountered by others.  If the group is successfully created after a positive vote, details will be sent to various Music Colleges and Organizations in the Philippines including the University of the Philippines College of Music.  DISTRIBUTION  This Call For Votes (CFV) has been crossposted to the following newsgroups:  news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, soc.culture.filipino, rec.music.misc, alt.music.world  This Call For Votes (CFV) has also been crossposted to the following newsgroups. Please note that the Request For Discussion (RFD) was *not* crossposted to this group:  alt.fan.lea-salonga  HOW TO VOTE  One vote counted per person, no more than one per account. Attempts at ballot box stuffing or vote fraud will not be treated lightly.  ************************************************************************** *** IMPORTANT: _Addresses_ and _votes_ of all voters will be published *** *** in the final voting results list. UVV voting on Usenet is not done *** *** by secret ballot. If you don't like this, don't vote.              *** **************************************************************************  Send email to: <[email protected]> Just replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.  Your mail message should contain ONE (and only ONE) of the following statements:        I vote YES on rec.music.filipino       I vote NO on rec.music.filipino       I vote ABSTAIN on rec.music.filipino       I CANCEL my vote on rec.music.filipino  If you vote ABSTAIN, your vote will be registered and will be shown in the final results posting, but it will not affect the outcome of the vote. It is intended as a form of symbolic protest, nothing more.  If you CANCEL your vote, all records of your vote will be purged from the active results file, and your name and address will not be listed in the final results posting.  ABSTAIN and CANCEL are nearly the same thing -- the only difference is, with ABSTAIN, your name and address are still listed in the final listing.  If you later change your mind you may vote again. Only your last valid vote will count and will be published in the final results posting.  Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledgement by mail -- if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.  After the final results are posted to , there will then be a five-day period during which the published vote list may be corrected and any irregularities addressed.  OFFICIAL SOURCES OF THE CFV  The only official sources of this CFV are: * The copy which was crossposted to  * Any copies which were sent to mailing lists by the votetaker (and *only*   the votetaker) * One received from the votetaker's automated mailserver  To obtain a copy of the CFV from the votetaker's mailserver: * Send email to <[email protected]> with    Subject: send filipino cfv    This is an automated function, so it does not matter what   your message body contains, as long as the Subject: line is exactly as   described above.  IMPORTANT: If you give anyone copies of the CFV, the copies must be whole and unmodified. Distributing pre-filled in ballots or modified copies of this CFV is considered voting fraud. If this occurs on a large scale or causes voting problems or irregularities, the vote may be canceled.  When in doubt, ask the votetaker. --  Michael Handler <[email protected]>    Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (UVV) Usenet Volunteer Votetakers WWW page:   From [email protected] Tue Jun 13 21:43:41 1995 Status: RO Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Michael Handler) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.culture.filipino,rec.music.misc,alt.music.world,alt.fan.lea-salonga Subject: 2nd CFV: rec.music.filipino Supersedes: <[email protected]> Followup-To: poster Date: 13 Jun 1995 21:23:18 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 141 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 22 Jun 1995 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] (Michael Handler Voting Alias) NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:7054 news.groups:153681 soc.culture.filipino:55713 rec.music.misc:181374 alt.music.world:6196 alt.fan.lea-salonga:343                            LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)                      unmoderated group rec.music.filipino  Newsgroups line: rec.music.filipino	All types and forms of Filipino music.  Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 21 June 1995.  *************************************************************************** *** NOTE: This is the second CFV of two. If you have already voted and  *** *** received an acknowledgement of your vote in email from the          *** *** votetaker, you *DO* *NOT* need to vote again. If you have any       *** *** questions, ask the votetaker, Michael Handler <[email protected]>  *** ***************************************************************************  This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact Michael Handler <[email protected]>. For questions about the proposed group contact Ben Totanes <[email protected]>  RATIONALE  Filipinos are mostly musically inclined.  They also easily adapt many types of music to give it a Filipino "flavor".  During the discussion period, many expressed sincere support and agreed that such a newsgroup would enhance/complement other existing newsgroups such as soc.culture.filipino and alt.fan.lea-salonga.  CHARTER  rec.music.filipino will be an unmoderated discussion group on all aspects of music originating from the Philippines. This can include, but is not limited to, Opera, Kundimans/Haranas, Pop, RAP, New Wave, Liturgical and any form: Instrumental, Vocal/Choral, etc.  Exchange of non-copyrighted materials will be encouraged including lyrics sheets, guitar chords and piano music sheets.  The intended audience for this proposed group would be wide ranging, >from beginning students, to those studying in College or University, to professionals involved in teaching, performance, and the persons simply interested in knowing more about the richness of this culture. Because of this diversity, this group has the potential to be enormously useful, as experts can post opinions and comments on addressing particular situations encountered by others.  If the group is successfully created after a positive vote, details will be sent to various Music Colleges and Organizations in the Philippines including the University of the Philippines College of Music.  DISTRIBUTION  This Call For Votes (CFV) has been crossposted to the following newsgroups:  news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, soc.culture.filipino, rec.music.misc, alt.music.world  This Call For Votes (CFV) has also been crossposted to the following newsgroups. Please note that the Request For Discussion (RFD) was *not* crossposted to this group:  alt.fan.lea-salonga  HOW TO VOTE  One vote counted per person, no more than one per account. Attempts at ballot box stuffing or vote fraud will not be treated lightly.  ************************************************************************** *** IMPORTANT: _Addresses_ and _votes_ of all voters will be published *** *** in the final voting results list. UVV voting on Usenet is not done *** *** by secret ballot. If you don't like this, don't vote.              *** **************************************************************************  Send email to: <[email protected]> Just replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.  Your mail message should contain ONE (and only ONE) of the following statements:        I vote YES on rec.music.filipino       I vote NO on rec.music.filipino       I vote ABSTAIN on rec.music.filipino       I CANCEL my vote on rec.music.filipino  If you vote ABSTAIN, your vote will be registered and will be shown in the final results posting, but it will not affect the outcome of the vote. It is intended as a form of symbolic protest, nothing more.  If you CANCEL your vote, all records of your vote will be purged from the active results file, and your name and address will not be listed in the final results posting.  ABSTAIN and CANCEL are nearly the same thing -- the only difference is, with ABSTAIN, your name and address are still listed in the final listing.  If you later change your mind you may vote again. Only your last valid vote will count and will be published in the final results posting.  Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledgement by mail -- if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.  After the final results are posted to , there will then be a five-day period during which the published vote list may be corrected and any irregularities addressed.  OFFICIAL SOURCES OF THE CFV  The only official sources of this CFV are: * The copy which was crossposted to  * Any copies which were sent to mailing lists by the votetaker (and *only*   the votetaker) * One received from the votetaker's automated mailserver  To obtain a copy of the CFV from the votetaker's mailserver: * Send email to <[email protected]> with    Subject: send filipino cfv    This is an automated function, so it does not matter what   your message body contains, as long as the Subject: line is exactly as   described above.  IMPORTANT: If you give anyone copies of the CFV, the copies must be whole and unmodified. Distributing pre-filled in ballots or modified copies of this CFV is considered voting fraud. If this occurs on a large scale or causes voting problems or irregularities, the vote may be canceled.  When in doubt, ask the votetaker.  rec.music.filipino Bounce List - No need to revote ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                                            Maria T Ocampo [email protected]                                           Pebbles Salazar [email protected]                                                   Rey Santos [email protected]                                           Raymund Fajardo --  Michael Handler <[email protected]>    Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (UVV) Usenet Volunteer Votetakers WWW page:   From [email protected] Wed Jul 12 10:43:33 1995 Status: RO Path: uunet!in1.uu.net!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Michael Handler) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.culture.filipino,rec.music.misc,alt.music.world,alt.fan.lea-salonga Subject: RESULT: rec.music.filipino passes 172:28 Followup-To: news.groups Date: 11 Jul 1995 19:01:40 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 278 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:7122 news.groups:158843 soc.culture.filipino:58713 rec.music.misc:183261 alt.music.world:6689 alt.fan.lea-salonga:405                                      RESULT               unmoderated group rec.music.filipino passes 172:28  There were 172 YES votes and 28 NO votes, for a total of 200 valid votes. There were 4 abstains and 2 invalid ballots.  For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes.   There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.  There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.  If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter.    rec.music.filipino passed on Thu Jun 8 00:10:30 1995  Newsgroups line: rec.music.filipino	All types and forms of Filipino music.  Voting closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 21 June 1995.  CHARTER  rec.music.filipino will be an unmoderated discussion group on all aspects of music originating from the Philippines. This can include, but is not limited to, Opera, Kundimans/Haranas, Pop, RAP, New Wave, Liturgical and any form: Instrumental, Vocal/Choral, etc.  Exchange of non-copyrighted materials will be encouraged including lyrics sheets, guitar chords and piano music sheets.  The intended audience for this proposed group would be wide ranging, >from beginning students, to those studying in College or University, to professionals involved in teaching, performance, and the persons simply interested in knowing more about the richness of this culture. Because of this diversity, this group has the potential to be enormously useful, as experts can post opinions and comments on addressing particular situations encountered by others.  If the group is successfully created after a positive vote, details will be sent to various Music Colleges and Organizations in the Philippines including the University of the Philippines College of Music.  *************************************************************************** *** The following results posting is Copyright 1995 Michael Handler and *** *** Sub Rosa Software, Inc. Usage of the following list or any part     *** *** thereof as a mass mailing list or for any other purpose without the *** *** express written consent of the votetaker is strictly prohibited,    *** *** and may be enforced by law.                                         *** *************************************************************************** (In other words, don't use these email addresses as an advertising mailing list or to send them all surveys asking them why they voted the way they did. You're only going to get people pissed off at you.)  rec.music.filipino Final Vote Ack  Voted Yes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                                     MABINI M. CASTRO [email protected]                                   Miguel A.L.V. Paraz [email protected]                          Alex Vizconde Dorupa [email protected]                Filipino Community Computing Sector [email protected]                                  Michelle Calderon [email protected]                                       Jose L. Acosta [email protected]                                  Albert Santa Romana [email protected]                                           Aimee Manosa [email protected]                                        Archie Medrano [email protected]                                         Anna S. Ocampo [email protected]                                                  Ramon C. Canumay [email protected]                                         Melissa P. Aluquin [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]                                     Amparito Clapano [email protected]                               Vic Boss Paredes Jr. [email protected]                              M. Dawn Banks (813) 253-7616 [email protected]                                                    BEN GODFREY [email protected]                                 Douglas P. Shannon [email protected]                                            Bobby Factura [email protected]                                           Ben Totanes [email protected] [email protected]                                            Odie Calima [email protected]                                                     Pinoy Tv! [email protected]                                                Paul Castro [email protected] [email protected]                                        Celvin V Samson [email protected]                                              Chuck Gardner [email protected]                                          Joey Santos [email protected]           Christoph Epping (CIP 88) [email protected] [email protected]zeta.org.au                                                      Mel Cruz [email protected]                                        Theresa Ocampo [email protected]                                           Samuel P. Mallare [email protected] [email protected]                                             Daniel S. Lewart [email protected]                        Daisy Aya Asuncion 372-2216 [email protected]                                             David Anderson [email protected]                                    Donato S. de la Cruz [email protected]                                     Kristine M. Ocampo [email protected]                                    Eric Manguiat [email protected]                                        Cepe, Emmanuel [email protected] [email protected]                                           Seb Koh [email protected]                                                Cynthia Endriga [email protected]                                 MISS MARIACHERYL G DOMINGO [email protected]                                                      Eric Liwanag [email protected]                                             E Tan [email protected]                                                Ed Udani [email protected]                                           Eugene Poral EW::MRGATE::\"A1::FIDLER.DICK\""@ewir-wr.robins.af.mil [email protected]                                                    Oredroc [email protected]                         Bernard B Floresca 708 979 2080 [email protected]                                          Paul Fontelo [email protected]                                      Franklyn Bandolon [email protected]                                                  Eric/Genny [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]                                    Glenn D. Aguilar [email protected]                                           George Son Keng Po [email protected]                                         Gabe G. Guevarra [email protected]                                           Aykol [email protected]                                            Hannah Pia Baral [email protected]                                Joey Fuentes/5146 [email protected]                                                   heidi [email protected]                                           RemoteIP [email protected]                                                James Gryga [email protected]                                               Alicia Jandoc [email protected]                                          jessie [email protected]                                                    Juan Belisario [email protected]                                          JADE CADELINA [email protected]                                                      J.M.Cruz [email protected] [email protected]             j.figueroa-student-ele-acacia-95058588 [email protected] [email protected]                                         John E Wynn [email protected]                        John Oliver Sy Tanbonliong [email protected]                                                           Jonboy [email protected]                                     Jorge Pastor [email protected]                                            Josefina Tuason [email protected]                                  JOSEPH DEAN PINGOL [email protected]                                                       Jim Ayson [email protected]                                    Jorge C. Satorre III [email protected]                                      John S. Jacob [email protected]                                           Joey Tuason Jr. [email protected]                                                Justine Leon Uro [email protected] [email protected]                                               Larry Roa [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]                                        Hermelito Go [email protected]                                             Justin C Lloyd [email protected] [email protected]                                              REY MAGNO [email protected]                             Dario B. Magpantay [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]                                                        ZGR81 [email protected]                                            Remel V. Mendoza [email protected]                                           Meg Mendoza [email protected]                                   Melecio Estoque [email protected]                                          Marissa B. Harding [email protected]                                Michael Merillana [email protected]                                            Timothy Kelly [email protected]                                   Mihali Felipe [email protected]                                            Maria T Ocampo [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]                                          Whats Up Doc? [email protected]                                    Mylene Manongdo [email protected]                                                  Nick Cabison [email protected]                                                     Nigel Allen [email protected]                                Nestor C. Buenaflor [email protected]                                          Nick Ingegneri [email protected]                                          nina rojas [email protected]                                                    Oliver [email protected]                                Ordonio Riza S [email protected] [email protected]                                             Jose N Loyola [email protected]                                              Paul Schmidt [email protected]                                            JOSELITO M CRUZ [email protected]                                                MR J M CRUZ [email protected]                                                   S MILLER [email protected]                                             Pietro Reyes [email protected]                                                Brian O'Donnell [email protected]                                           Pebbles Salazar [email protected]                                          ==quizon== [email protected]                                                   Rey Santos [email protected] [email protected]                                 Raymund Zapanta [email protected]                                    Rodrigo A. Dar [email protected] [email protected]                                           Raymund Fajardo [email protected]                                                 Roderick Que [email protected]                                      Robert Martin A. leyba [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]                                             Richard P. Lozada [email protected]                            Rebecca San Agustin [email protected] [email protected]                                         Timothy Joseph Harvey [email protected] [email protected]                                Melody C. DeGuzman [email protected]                              jowell sabino [email protected]                                            Sarah Jane M Po [email protected]                                  Salvador SABANAL [email protected]                                      Steven E. Asercion [email protected]                                           Ted C. Gonzalez [email protected]                                                     Karen Go [email protected]                                       Scott W. Morrical [email protected]                                           Tim Taylor [email protected]                                                 Coralie J. Allen [email protected]                                           John R. Tegtmeier [email protected]                                         Tomomi Itakura [email protected]                                     Tony Castillo [email protected] [email protected]                                         Thomas E Smith [email protected]                                          Denz J.Demiar [email protected]                                            Lyrka Sikat [email protected]                             Dennis Allen Carr [email protected]                            victoria manankil [email protected]                                    Virginia Evano-Williams [email protected]                                                  Celeste Ward [email protected]                                    Warren G. Custodio [email protected] [email protected]                                       Walter Schneider [email protected]        Wilfredo G. Tabada (\"WILL THE THRILL\") [email protected]                                                   none [email protected]                                        DR CEFERINO F BAGUE [email protected]                                         MR NESTOR ENRIQUEZ [email protected]                                          Sonny Dionida  Voted No ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                                           Karl Krech [email protected]                                          Christian Much [email protected]                                         Chris Stamper [email protected]                            David W. Crawford [email protected]                                               Christopher Ward [email protected]                                                         Ryan [email protected]                                                Eric Garbos [email protected]                                                  Francis A Uy [email protected]                                   Gordon Engel [email protected]                                               Hasnain Khan [email protected]                                              Kim DeVaughn [email protected]                                                  Lance K. Chun [email protected]                                         Lech Mazur [email protected]                                 David Maurice [email protected]                                   Patrick J. LoPresti [email protected]                                        Pierre Uszynski [email protected]                                                Paul Klose [email protected]                                    Andrew Raphael [email protected]                                               Ryan Waldron [email protected]                                             Richard H. Miller [email protected]                                      Ollivier Robert [email protected]                                         Smarasderagd [email protected]                                               Erland Sommarskog [email protected]                                                  Dwight Brown [email protected]                                                   Tony Basoglu [email protected]                                            Thomas G. McWilliams [email protected]                                                   Tom Randulff [email protected]                                         Risto Widenius  Abstained ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                              Kenneth P Crouch [email protected]                                                   Jose Aniceto [email protected]                                          M Mike Taksar KC6ZPS [email protected]                                                  M. Otto   Votes in error ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                                               Chiu Yee Chen    ! No vote statement in message [email protected]    ! Invalid address -- Michael Handler <[email protected]>    Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (UVV) Usenet Volunteer Votetakers WWW page: