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From [email protected] Wed Aug 31 18:36:07 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Mduduzi and Chuma Keswa) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.culture.african,soc.culture.nigeria,bit.tech.africana Subject: RFD: soc.culture.south-africa Followup-To: news.groups Date: 31 Aug 1994 15:36:04 -0400 Organization: Department of Mathematics, Penn State University Lines: 92 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5570 news.groups:114558 soc.culture.african:29351 soc.culture.nigeria:303 bit.tech.africana:892 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION Group Name: soc.culture.south-africa Status: unmoderated Distribution: world wide Summary: Discussion on the politics, culture, and and other issues on South Africa Proposed by: Mduduzi Keswa ([email protected]) This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) on the creation of an unmoderatedUSENET newsgroup, soc.culture.south-africa, for discussing socio-economic, scientific and political issues that relate to South Africa. This RFD is being cross-posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups news.groups soc.culture.african soc.culture.nigeria bit.tech.africana. One of the main purposes of this RFD is to call for suggestions regarding the rationale and the charter (see below). The discussions are to take place in news.groups for the next 22-30 days. As specified in the creation of news group Guideline, an official Call For Votes (CFV) will be posted, at which time vote counting will be conducted by a neutral party. RATIONALE South Africa is located in the southern tip of the African continent and boasts a diversity in its cultural make-up that is unique in all of Africa. South Africa's history also sets it apart from the rest of Africa, more so since the election of the first non-white president. For the first timein its history, South Africa has a multi-racial government. These changes have triggered debates, discussions and concerns of all sorts, not only from South Africans, but from the international community as well. In the past, the discussions on South Africa have taken place in the newsgroup soc.culture.africa. Indeed, the existence of this newsgroup (soc.culture.africa) has provided South Africans and other Africans with a forum for expressionof diverse opinions on issues pertaining to the continent. However, discussions on South Africa have primarily focused on politics to the omission of other relevant facets of South African life. In addition, South Africans were forced to sort through myriads of news items before finding issues pertaining specifically to South Africa. In light of the recent political developments in South Africa, there has been a need for a shift in the focus of discussions among South Africans. More discussions dealing with South Africa's rich history and cultures, technological advancements, socio-economic concerns, post-apartheid works, etc, are in dire need, and as such demand a forum solely for that purpose. For these reasons, we have sought to start the soc,culture.south-africa newsgroup and hope for the support of all fellow South Africans and others who may be interested. CHARTER The newsgroup soc.culture.south-africa is primarily intended for socio-cultural discussions on South Africa. However, the discussions may include other issueswith direct bearing on South Africa, and the southern African region. The audience will likely be Southern Africans in different parts of the world and all other interested parties. The topics to be discussed include, but are not limited to, the following: -South African music, culture, history -S.African food -Popular sports in South Africa -Issues of post-apartheid development -Education and training in South Africa -South African society in general -South African art -Technological prospects in South Africa -Employment and the state of the economy Owing to South Africa's controversial past and the infancy of the post-apartheid era, all participating members are urged to be mutually respectful towards eachother and to remain cognizant of the various backgrounds, diverse as they will be, of all the participants. Cheers, Mduduzi and Chuma Keswa From [email protected] (RonDippold) Wed Oct 12 13:24:16 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.culture.african,soc.culture.nigeria,bit.tech.africana Subject: CFV: soc.culture.south-africa Followup-To: poster Date: 12 Oct 1994 12:43:02 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 59 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 3 Nov 1994 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] (Ron Dippold Voting Alias) NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5772 news.groups:120320 soc.culture.african:31008 soc.culture.nigeria:607 bit.tech.africana:1006 FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group soc.culture.south-africa Newsgroups line: soc.culture.south-africa South African society, culture, & politics. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 2 November 1994. After this CFV appears on news.announce.newgroups it will be sent to the mailing list <[email protected]> This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact [email protected] For questions about the proposed group contact Mduduzi & Chuma Keswa <[email protected]>. CHARTER The newsgroup soc.culture.south-africa is primarily intended for socio-cultural discussions on South Africa. However, the discussions may include other issues with direct bearing on South Africa, and the southern African region. The audience will likely be Southern Africans in different parts of the world and all other interested parties. The topics to be discussed include, but are not limited to, the following: -South African music, culture, history -S.African food -Popular sports in South Africa -Issues of post-apartheid development -Education and training in South Africa -South African society in general -South African art -Technological prospects in South Africa -Employment and the state of the economy Owing to South Africa's controversial past and the infancy of the post-apartheid era, all participating members are urged to be mutually respectful towards each other and to remain cognizant of the various backgrounds, diverse as they will be,of all the participants. HOW TO VOTE Send MAIL to: [email protected] Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list. Your mail message should contain one of the following statements: I vote YES on soc.culture.south-africa I vote NO on soc.culture.south-africa You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome. Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge- ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. One vote counted per person, no more than one per account. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list. From [email protected] (RonDippold) Wed Oct 26 12:59:52 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.culture.african,soc.culture.nigeria,bit.tech.africana Subject: 2nd CFV: soc.culture.south-africa Supersedes: <[email protected]> Followup-To: poster Date: 26 Oct 1994 10:35:43 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 66 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 3 Nov 1994 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] (Ron Dippold Voting Alias) NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5843 news.groups:121687 soc.culture.african:31630 soc.culture.nigeria:772 bit.tech.africana:1054 LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group soc.culture.south-africa Newsgroups line: soc.culture.south-africa South African society, culture, & politics. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 2 November 1994. After this CFV appears on news.announce.newgroups it will be sent to the mailing list <[email protected]> This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact [email protected] For questions about the proposed group contact Mduduzi & Chuma Keswa <[email protected]>. CHARTER The newsgroup soc.culture.south-africa is primarily intended for socio-cultural discussions on South Africa. However, the discussions may include other issues with direct bearing on South Africa, and the southern African region. The audience will likely be Southern Africans in different parts of the world and all other interested parties. The topics to be discussed include, but are not limited to, the following: -South African music, culture, history -S.African food -Popular sports in South Africa -Issues of post-apartheid development -Education and training in South Africa -South African society in general -South African art -Technological prospects in South Africa -Employment and the state of the economy Owing to South Africa's controversial past and the infancy of the post-apartheid era, all participating members are urged to be mutually respectful towards each other and to remain cognizant of the various backgrounds, diverse as they will be,of all the participants. HOW TO VOTE Send MAIL to: [email protected] Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list. Your mail message should contain one of the following statements: I vote YES on soc.culture.south-africa I vote NO on soc.culture.south-africa You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome. Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge- ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. One vote counted per person, no more than one per account. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list. soc.culture.south-africa Bounce List - No need to revote ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] From [email protected] (RonDippold) Fri Nov 4 15:17:37 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.culture.african,soc.culture.nigeria,bit.tech.africana Subject: RESULT: soc.culture.south-africa passes 409:23 Supersedes: <[email protected]> Followup-To: news.groups Date: 4 Nov 1994 14:10:28 -0500 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 496 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5904 news.groups:122386 soc.culture.african:31983 soc.culture.nigeria:874 bit.tech.africana:1106 RESULT unmoderated group soc.culture.south-africa passes 409:23 There were 409 YES votes and 23 NO votes, for a total of 432 valid votes. There was 1 abstain and 1 invalid ballot. For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes. There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter. Newsgroups line: soc.culture.south-africa South African society, culture, & politics. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact [email protected] For questions about the proposed group contact Mduduzi & Chuma Keswa <[email protected]>. CHARTER The newsgroup soc.culture.south-africa is primarily intended for socio-cultural discussions on South Africa. However, the discussions may include other issues with direct bearing on South Africa, and the southern African region. The audience will likely be Southern Africans in different parts of the world and all other interested parties. The topics to be discussed include, but are not limited to, the following: -South African music, culture, history -S.African food -Popular sports in South Africa -Issues of post-apartheid development -Education and training in South Africa -South African society in general -South African art -Technological prospects in South Africa -Employment and the state of the economy Owing to South Africa's controversial past and the infancy of the post-apartheid era, all participating members are urged to be mutually respectful towards each other and to remain cognizant of the various backgrounds, diverse as they will be,of all the participants. soc.culture.south-africa Final Vote Ack Voted Yes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected] Dr Reuben Rock [email protected] Charlie Cobb [email protected] Dirk Van Den Berg [email protected] Jerry [email protected] Sri Aman G Sureka [email protected] Monday Gang Gala [email protected] Abdullaahi Ali [email protected] Akinwale A Akinpelu [email protected] Abass Alamnehe [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] Ade Lee [email protected] Bayo Adedeji [email protected] Leke Adeofe [email protected] Annette de Soto [email protected] Andrew Adler [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] Victor Aina [email protected] Ajit Upadhyaya [email protected] Alexander Lum [email protected] [email protected] AkinA [email protected] Anselm Kelechi Okwu [email protected] ANDREWS alanoly j. 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Ukachukw [email protected] Udemezuo Onuora Nwuneli [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] Tori [email protected] Hennie van Niekerk [email protected] Annemie Vorstermans [email protected] Wally Garchow [email protected] O C Wambu [email protected] Rasmus Hansen [email protected] Werner Uhrig [email protected] Willie Nicholson [email protected] Michael J. Wirthlin [email protected] Dorothy C. Woodson [email protected] Werner van der Walt [email protected] [email protected] Dave Shariff Yadallee [email protected] Yakubu Tor-agbidye [email protected] Fundi Mbangi Voted No ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected] Andras Salamon [email protected] Sterling Todd Ashby [email protected] [email protected] Kenneth P Crouch [email protected] CONT C.T. 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