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From [email protected] Mon Sep 27 10:44:52 1993
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Date: Mon, 11 Feb 91 11:40:20 PST
From: [email protected] (Jure Marn/)
Subject: call for discussion - soc.culture.yugoslavia
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.french,soc.culture.german,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.misc,soc.culture.nordic,soc.culture.polish,soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Call for discussion - soc.culture.yugoslavia
Followup-to: news.groups
Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles
Keywords: new_group, posted

This is a first call for discussion to create soc.culture.yugoslavia
newsgroup. The discussion period will last until 3/1/91 (estimated),
when the call for votes will be posted. Please follow-up to news.group
as suggested by guidelines for Usenet group creation.



              CALL FOR DISCUSSION
---------------------------------------------------------
Name: soc.culture.yugoslavia   


I am proposing a creation of a new newsgroup for discussion of
the following subjects:

- culture and cultural heritage of nations and nationalities
  in Yugoslavia 
- social and economical issues of Yugoslavia
- current and past politicial situations
- languages used on Yugoslav territory
- relationsip between various nations in Yugoslavia
- relationship between Yugoslavia and its neighbours
- sport and other events in Yugoslavia
- everything else pertaining to Yugoslavia 

* articles can be posted in any language used in Yugoslavia
  as well as any official UN language

* the newsgroup will NOT be MODERATED

It is hard to wake up in the morning and not being certain
whether the country of one's origin still exists. It would
be much easier if people discussed the issues in the open
forum. Yugoslavia has a lot to offer. It is a diverse millieu,
heterogeneous society of people with vast historical differences
who nevertheless managed to survive in one union for last 
seventy years. Let us then open all the unanswered questions
and explore all the avenues of our differencies and at the same
time educate other nations about our selves. Why do we claim
there is no Yugoslav language? Why do we claim Adriatic sea
to be one of the most beautiful seas in the world? Why is
Yugoslavia home to three large religions? Let us interact
directly with those who are currently in Yugoslavia as well
as with each other.




From [email protected] Mon Sep 27 10:48:39 1993
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Path: rpi!tale
From: [email protected] (Jure Marn)
Subject: CFD:  soc.culture.yugoslavia
Followup-To: news.groups
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              CALL FOR DISCUSSION
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Name: soc.culture.yugoslavia   

I am proposing a creation of a new newsgroup for discussion of the
following subjects:

- culture and cultural heritage of nations and nationalities in Yugoslavia 
- social and economical issues of Yugoslavia
- current and past politicial situations
- languages used on Yugoslav territory
- relationsip between various nations in Yugoslavia
- relationship between Yugoslavia and its neighbours
- sport and other events in Yugoslavia
- everything else pertaining to Yugoslavia 

* articles can be posted in any language used in Yugoslavia as well as
  any official UN language

* the newsgroup will NOT be MODERATED

It is hard to wake up in the morning and not being certain whether the
country of one's origin still exists.  It would be much easier if people
discussed the issues in the open forum.  Yugoslavia has a lot to offer.
It is a diverse millieu, heterogeneous society of people with vast
historical differences who nevertheless managed to survive in one union
for last seventy years.  Let us then open all the unanswered questions
and explore all the avenues of our differencies and at the same time
educate other nations about our selves.  Why do we claim there is no
Yugoslav language?  Why do we claim Adriatic sea to be one of the most
beautiful seas in the world?  Why is Yugoslavia home to three large
religions?  Let us interact directly with those who are currently in
Yugoslavia as well as with each other.
-- 
    (setq mail '("[email protected]" "uupsi!rpi!tale" "[email protected]"))

From [email protected] Mon Sep 27 12:24:25 1993
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Path: rpi!tale
From: [email protected] (Jure Marn)
Subject: CFV:  soc.culture.yugoslavia
Followup-To: poster
Sender: [email protected]
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Date: 4 Mar 91 01:38:09 GMT
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This is a first call for votes to create the soc.culture.yugoslavia
newsgroup. Please send your votes to  [email protected]  and use
either of the following forms:

if you are FOR creation of soc.culture.yugoslavia, write:

YES for soc.culture.yugoslavia in your Subject: line
  and
I vote FOR creation of soc.culture.yugoslavia as your message

OR

if you are AGAINST creation of soc.culture.yugoslavia, write:

NO for soc.culture.yugoslavia in your Subject: line
  and
I vote AGAINST creation of soc.culture.yugoslavia as your message.


The voting period will start 0:00:01 Pacific Standard Time (PST)
on Monday, March 4th, 1991 and will end 23:59:59 Pacific Standard
Time on Tuesday, March 26th, 1991. All entries received outside
the voting period will be declared invalid. 

Only ONE vote per userID is accepted. If more than one vote is
rendered the last vote within voting period will be considered
as final. There are no other limits as to limit origin of votes.

Included is final version of the charter soc.culture.yugoslavia:

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Name: Soc.culture.yugoslavia

A creation of a new newsgroup for discussion of
the following subjects is proposed:

- culture and cultural heritage of nations and nationalities
  in Yugoslavia 
- social and economical issues of Yugoslavia
- current and past politicial situations
- languages used on Yugoslav territory
- relationsip between various nations in Yugoslavia
- relationship between Yugoslavia and its neighbours
- sport and other events in Yugoslavia
- everything else pertaining to Yugoslavia 

* articles can be posted in any language used in Yugoslavia
  as well as any official UN language

* the newsgroup will NOT be MODERATED

It is hard to wake up in the morning and not being certain
whether the country of one's origin still exists. It would
be much easier if people discussed the issues in the open
forum. Yugoslavia has a lot to offer. It is a diverse millieu,
heterogeneous society of people with vast historical differences
who nevertheless managed to survive in one union for last 
seventy years. Let us then open all the unanswered questions
and explore all the avenues of our differencies and at the same
time educate other nations about our selves. Why do we claim
there is no Yugoslav language? Why do we claim Adriatic sea
to be one of the most beautiful seas in the world? Why is
Yugoslavia home to three large religions? Let us interact
directly with those who are currently in Yugoslavia as well
as with each other.

From [email protected] Wed Apr  5 19:34:05 1995
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Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups
Path: rpi!bounce-back
From: marn[email protected] (Jure Marn)
Subject: RESULT:  soc.culture.yugoslavia passes 217:21
Followup-To: news.groups
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Nntp-Posting-Host: cs.rpi.edu
Date: 28 Mar 91 04:33:19 GMT
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It is my pleasure to inform you that as of 23:59:59 March 26, 1991 I
have received 217 votes FOR creation and 21 AGAINST creation of
Soc.culture.yugoslavia.  In the case of double votes I have considered
the ones cast the last. Included please find the list of people voting
FOR and AGAINST creation.

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List of people who voted AGAINST creation:
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                                       Jure Marn
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