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From [email protected] Sat Jan 22 17:57:34 1994
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From: [email protected] (Joel Furr)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.war,alt.war.vietnam,alt.war.civil.usa,soc.history
Subject: RFD: soc.history.war.* groups
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I hereby issue a Request for Discussion on creation of newsgroups 
dedicated to discussion of several wars.  Specifically, I request 
discussion on creation of:

soc.history.war.us-civil-war
soc.history.war.world-war-i
soc.history.war.world-war-ii
soc.history.war.vietnam

In order for these groups to be created, they must be discussed in the 
newsgroup 'news.groups'.  At least 28 days of discussion must take place, 
if memory serves, after which a vote can be held if the proposal met with 
consensus during the discussion phase.

At present, there are three groups dedicated to war in the alt. 
hierarchy: alt.war, alt.war.vietnam, and alt.war.civil.usa.  I do not 
endorse elimination of these groups but have proposed doing so for the 
sake of discussion.  None is particularly well propagated and there may 
be some argument advanced for replacing them.

The main thrust of this proposal is in the World War I and World War II 
groups.  Discussion of the battles and history and times of these 
climactic global upheavals continues unabated to the modern day  and 
there are few subjects on which more discussion could be expected.  I 
initially proposed these as alt. groups but have decided to propose them 
as Big 7 groups for the reason that "if they're such great ideas for 
groups, propose them in a Big 7 hierarchy first."

So, here they are.  I invite comment on the creation of the World War 
groups and on the idea of replacing alt.war.civil.usa with 
soc.history.war.us-civil-war and replacing alt.war.vietnam with 
soc.history.war.vietnam.

From [email protected] Tue Feb 22 16:16:16 1994
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From: [email protected] (Joel Furr)
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Subject: 2nd RFD: soc.history.war.* groups
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This is a formal 2nd RFD to formalize the proposal for two
soc.history.war.* groups.

Two groups are proposed at this stage:

soc.history.war.world-war-ii (Moderated)
soc.history.war.misc

Soc.history.war.world-war-ii is proposed as moderated to keep out the
Holocaust Revisionists and their ilk.  If you question why this is
necessary, please glance at soc.history and misc.headlines.  Megabytes per
day of articles about how the Holocaust Never Happened, Folks.

Soc.history.war.misc is proposed as unmoderated.  In the first RFD, it was
not proposed and instead several other wars (the U.S. Civil War, World War
I, and the Vietnam War) were proposed for newsgroups.  World War I
received insufficient support to be taken forward and the other two wars
were too controversial as alt. groups already existed for discussion of
those conflicts.  However, several people began speaking up and saying
"Hey, how about a Napoleonic Wars newsgroup" and so on and it quickly
became ridiculous.  Hence, soc.history.war.misc.

Now, if you wonder why we need a brace of war groups at all, let me say
this:  A war includes more than military events.  A war includes social,
political, economic, military, and demographic events.  Discussion of a
war typically includes the *war era* and not just the war.  Present groups
which exist to discuss military issues are very specific: sci.military,
alt.folklore.military, alt.war.  All of these tend to focus very strongly
on the military aspects and less on the historical and other aspects.  

Discussion of World War II and wars in general takes place on a wide range
of newsgroups, many of which specialize on recent military history.  The
most notable example of war discussion taking place elsewhere is the World
War II mailing list, which averages 800 megabytes per month of traffic. 
The moderators of this mailing list are in favor of the creation of a
World War Two newsgroup as the subject has more than demonstrated its
carrying power on the Net.

I have put together a provisional staff of moderators for
soc.history.war.world-war-ii and this list will be published at the time
the group goes to a vote.

The charter proposed for soc.history.war.world-war-ii is as follows:
Discussion of the era 1939-1945 in particular, but ranging as far back as
1918 and as far forward as the 1950's for discussion of events leading to the
War and post-war events such as the occupation of Japan and Germany.  The
discussion will be limited to social, political, military, economic,
demographic, and historial aspects of World War II, including discussion of:

* Arms limitations treaties in the 1920's, intended to head off any future war
* the Weimar Republic
* the rise of the Italian Fascists
* the Japanese war with China
* the rise of the Nazi Party
* American isolationism
* Franco-British appeasement
* Italian misadventures in Africa
* German occupation of the Sudentenland and Austria
* the war proper, 1939-1945
* the Manhattan Project
* the Holocaust
* Post-war occupation of Japan and Germany
* Post-war governments of Europe
* and so on.

In other words, the mandate for soc.history.war.world-war-ii is intended
to be broad, rather than narrow, with moderation in place less to limit
discussion than to keep out Gannon and the Holocaust Revisionists and
other malicious posters.

The charter for soc.history.war.misc is as follows:

General discussion of wars, including social, political, historical,
economic, and demographic aspects.

From [email protected] (RonDippold) Thu Mar 24 18:11:00 1994
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Subject: CFV: soc.history.war.{misc,world-war-ii}
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                          FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
                 moderated group soc.history.war.world-war-ii
                    unmoderated group soc.history.war.misc

Newsgroups line:
soc.history.war.world-war-ii	History & events of World War Two. (Moderated)
soc.history.war.misc	History & events of wars in general.

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 13 April 1994.

After this CFV appears on news.announce.newgroups it may be sent to
the World War II mailing list discussed in the Charter section, and to
the sci.military moderator for publication in sci.military.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting
questions only contact [email protected]  For questions about the
proposed group contact Joel Furr <[email protected]>.


CHARTER (Proponent)

The charter of soc.history.war.misc:  General discussion of wars,
including  military, social, political, economic,  technological,
historical, and demographic events.

The  charter of soc.history.war.world-war-ii:  Discussion of  the
era  1939-1945 in particular, but ranging as far back as 1918 and
as  far forward as the 1950's for discussion of events leading to
the  War and post-war events such as the occupation of Japan  and
Germany.   The  discussion will be limited to social,  political,
military,  economic,  technological, demographic,  and  historial
aspects of World War II, including discussion of:

     * Arms  limitations treaties in the 1920's, intended to head
          off any future war
     * the Weimar Republic
     * the rise of the Italian Fascists
     * the Japanese war with China
     * the rise of the Nazi Party
     * American isolationism
     * Franco-British appeasement
     * Italian misadventures in Africa
     * German occupation of the Sudentenland and Austria
     * the war proper, 1939-1945
     * the Manhattan Project
     * the Holocaust
     * Post-war occupation of Japan and Germany
     * Post-war governments of Europe
     * and so on.

In  other words, the mandate for soc.history.war.world-war-ii  is
intended  to  be  broad, rather than narrow, with  moderation  in
place  less to limit discussion than to keep out Gannon  and  the
Holocaust  Revisionists and other malicious posters.  Should  Dan
Gannon  or  Serdar  Argic submit articles which actually  discuss
World  War  Two  rather than spreading their brand of  conspiracy
theory, their articles will be approved for submission as well.

Why moderation or lack thereof?
---------------------------------------

Soc.history.war.world-war-ii is proposed as moderated to keep out
the  Holocaust Revisionists and their ilk.  If you  question  why
this   is   necessary,   please   glance   at   soc.history   and
misc.headlines.   Megabytes per day of  articles  about  how  the
Holocaust Never Happened, Folks.

Soc.history.war.misc is proposed as unmoderated.   In  the  first
RFD, it was not proposed and instead several other wars (the U.S.
Civil  War,  World War I, and the Vietnam War) were proposed  for
newsgroups.   World  War I received insufficient  support  to  be
taken  forward  and the other two wars were too controversial  as
alt.  groups  already existed for discussion of those  conflicts.
However,  several people began speaking up and saying  "Hey,  how
about  a  Napoleonic Wars newsgroup" and so  on  and  it  quickly
became ridiculous.  Hence, soc.history.war.misc.   As this  group
will  be  for discussion of war in general, a very broad subject,
moderation   would  be  difficult.   Hence  it  is  proposed   as
unmoderated.

Moderation policy:
------------------

Soc.history.war.world-war-ii will have a very relaxed  moderation
policy.  The main purpose, as noted above, for moderation of this
group  is to prevent it from turning into a revisionist flamefest
akin  to  misc.headlines or soc.history.  As  such,  any  message
which  actually  discusses World War  II  will  be  approved  for
posting,  provided that it does not attempt to claim that  events
such as the Holocaust never happened.  There are other groups for
discussion of that question, most notably, alt.revisionism.

Moderation rules:

  *  Articles which discuss World War Two and its events will be
  approved for posting.

  *  Articles arguing that the Holocaust never happened will not
  be approved for posting.

  *  Articles must contain original thought.  Lengthy quoting of
  source  material with a couple of lines of comment at  the  end
  will not be approved for posting.

  *  Blank    messages,   test   messages,    advertisements,
  MAKE.MONEY.FAST,  and  so  forth,  will  not  be  approved  for
  posting.

  *  Articles which include excessive quoting (e.g. an  article
  which  quotes  an entire other article in order to  add  a  few
  comments  at the end) will be trimmed down by the moderator  in
  question.

  *  An  article MUST have a valid reply-to address or it  will
  not be approved for posting.

  *  Rejected articles will be shared with the other moderators
  for group consideration.

As  noted  below, the group will be group-moderated, to  minimize
delay  between  submission and posting  and  to  keep  the  group
running when the traffic becomes heavy.

Moderators  will  be  added  by majority  vote  of  the  existing
moderators  and  moderators will be removed by 2/3  vote  in  the
event that a moderator is shown to be failing to do the job (i.e.
not posting anything).

Moderators:
-----------

[email protected]               Gordon McFee
[email protected]                 Andrew McMichael
[email protected]     Brett Kottmann
[email protected]                              John Davis
[email protected]                    Joel Furr
[email protected]                 Kenneth Bullock
[email protected]               Ken McVay
[email protected]           A. M. Mughal
[email protected]                        Richard Miller
[email protected]              Martin Schafer

Moderation apparatus:
---------------------

This  group will be group-moderated using a Majordomo listserver.
It  has  been  configured so that each article received  at  ww2-
[email protected]  will be sent to the next moderator  in  turn,
using  a  list of subscribed moderators.  Hence, the *submission*
address   for  articles  will  be  [email protected]    The
*contact*  address  for  the group, once created,  will  be  ww2-
[email protected]

Why should these groups be created?
-----------------------------------

A war includes more than military events.  A war includes social,
political,   economic,   military,   and   demographic    events.
Discussion of a war typically includes the *war era* and not just
the  war.  Present groups which exist to discuss military  issues
are  very specific: sci.military, alt.folklore.military, alt.war.
All  of these tend to focus very strongly on the military aspects
and    less    on    the    historical   and    other    aspects.
Soc.history.war.misc   and   soc.history.war.world-war-ii    will
encompass all aspects of war.

Discussion of World War II and wars in general takes place  on  a
wide  range  of  newsgroups, many of which specialize  on  recent
military  history.   The most notable example of  war  discussion
taking  place elsewhere is the World War II mailing list,  which
averages 800 kilobytes per month of traffic and which almost closed down
after presenting far too great a load on its moderators than they could
handle.  The moderators of the list are in support of the proposed
newsgroup as the subject is far larger than can be easily dealt
with in mailing list form.  A newsgroup is needed.



HOW TO VOTE

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Only one vote per person, no more than one vote per account.  Addresses and
votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.

From [email protected] (RonDippold) Tue Mar 29 20:33:32 1994
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Subject: 2nd CFV: soc.history.war.{misc,world-war-ii}
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                          LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
                 moderated group soc.history.war.world-war-ii
                    unmoderated group soc.history.war.misc

Newsgroups line:
soc.history.war.world-war-ii    History & events of World War Two. (Moderated)
soc.history.war.misc    History & events of wars in general.

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 13 April 1994.

After this CFV appears on news.announce.newgroups it may be sent to
the World War II mailing list discussed in the Charter section, and to
the sci.military moderator for publication in sci.military.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting
questions only contact [email protected]  For questions about the
proposed group contact Joel Furr <[email protected]>.


CHARTER (Proponent)

The charter of soc.history.war.misc:  General discussion of wars,
including  military, social, political, economic,  technological,
historical, and demographic events.

The  charter of soc.history.war.world-war-ii:  Discussion of  the
era  1939-1945 in particular, but ranging as far back as 1918 and
as  far forward as the 1950's for discussion of events leading to
the  War and post-war events such as the occupation of Japan  and
Germany.   The  discussion will be limited to social,  political,
military,  economic,  technological, demographic,  and  historial
aspects of World War II, including discussion of:

     * Arms  limitations treaties in the 1920's, intended to head
          off any future war
     * the Weimar Republic
     * the rise of the Italian Fascists
     * the Japanese war with China
     * the rise of the Nazi Party
     * American isolationism
     * Franco-British appeasement
     * Italian misadventures in Africa
     * German occupation of the Sudentenland and Austria
     * the war proper, 1939-1945
     * the Manhattan Project
     * the Holocaust
     * Post-war occupation of Japan and Germany
     * Post-war governments of Europe
     * and so on.

In  other words, the mandate for soc.history.war.world-war-ii  is
intended  to  be  broad, rather than narrow, with  moderation  in
place  less to limit discussion than to keep out Gannon  and  the
Holocaust  Revisionists and other malicious posters.  Should  Dan
Gannon  or  Serdar  Argic submit articles which actually  discuss
World  War  Two  rather than spreading their brand of  conspiracy
theory, their articles will be approved for submission as well.

Why moderation or lack thereof?
---------------------------------------

Soc.history.war.world-war-ii is proposed as moderated to keep out
the  Holocaust Revisionists and their ilk.  If you  question  why
this   is   necessary,   please   glance   at   soc.history   and
misc.headlines.   Megabytes per day of  articles  about  how  the
Holocaust Never Happened, Folks.

Soc.history.war.misc is proposed as unmoderated.   In  the  first
RFD, it was not proposed and instead several other wars (the U.S.
Civil  War,  World War I, and the Vietnam War) were proposed  for
newsgroups.   World  War I received insufficient  support  to  be
taken  forward  and the other two wars were too controversial  as
alt.  groups  already existed for discussion of those  conflicts.
However,  several people began speaking up and saying  "Hey,  how
about  a  Napoleonic Wars newsgroup" and so  on  and  it  quickly
became ridiculous.  Hence, soc.history.war.misc.   As this  group
will  be  for discussion of war in general, a very broad subject,
moderation   would  be  difficult.   Hence  it  is  proposed   as
unmoderated.

Moderation policy:
------------------

Soc.history.war.world-war-ii will have a very relaxed  moderation
policy.  The main purpose, as noted above, for moderation of this
group  is to prevent it from turning into a revisionist flamefest
akin  to  misc.headlines or soc.history.  As  such,  any  message
which  actually  discusses World War  II  will  be  approved  for
posting,  provided that it does not attempt to claim that  events
such as the Holocaust never happened.  There are other groups for
discussion of that question, most notably, alt.revisionism.

Moderation rules:

  *  Articles which discuss World War Two and its events will be
  approved for posting.

  *  Articles arguing that the Holocaust never happened will not
  be approved for posting.

  *  Articles must contain original thought.  Lengthy quoting of
  source  material with a couple of lines of comment at  the  end
  will not be approved for posting.

  *  Blank    messages,   test   messages,    advertisements,
  MAKE.MONEY.FAST,  and  so  forth,  will  not  be  approved  for
  posting.

  *  Articles which include excessive quoting (e.g. an  article
  which  quotes  an entire other article in order to  add  a  few
  comments  at the end) will be trimmed down by the moderator  in
  question.

  *  An  article MUST have a valid reply-to address or it  will
  not be approved for posting.

  *  Rejected articles will be shared with the other moderators
  for group consideration.

As  noted  below, the group will be group-moderated, to  minimize
delay  between  submission and posting  and  to  keep  the  group
running when the traffic becomes heavy.

Moderators  will  be  added  by majority  vote  of  the  existing
moderators  and  moderators will be removed by 2/3  vote  in  the
event that a moderator is shown to be failing to do the job (i.e.
not posting anything).

Moderators:
-----------

[email protected]               Gordon McFee
[email protected]                 Andrew McMichael
[email protected]     Brett Kottmann
[email protected]                              John Davis
[email protected]                    Joel Furr
[email protected]                 Kenneth Bullock
[email protected]               Ken McVay
[email protected]           A. M. Mughal
[email protected]                        Richard Miller
[email protected]              Martin Schafer

Moderation apparatus:
---------------------

This  group will be group-moderated using a Majordomo listserver.
It  has  been  configured so that each article received  at  ww2-
[email protected]  will be sent to the next moderator  in  turn,
using  a  list of subscribed moderators.  Hence, the *submission*
address   for  articles  will  be  [email protected]    The
*contact*  address  for  the group, once created,  will  be  ww2-
[email protected]

Why should these groups be created?
-----------------------------------

A war includes more than military events.  A war includes social,
political,   economic,   military,   and   demographic    events.
Discussion of a war typically includes the *war era* and not just
the  war.  Present groups which exist to discuss military  issues
are  very specific: sci.military, alt.folklore.military, alt.war.
All  of these tend to focus very strongly on the military aspects
and    less    on    the    historical   and    other    aspects.
Soc.history.war.misc   and   soc.history.war.world-war-ii    will
encompass all aspects of war.

Discussion of World War II and wars in general takes place  on  a
wide  range  of  newsgroups, many of which specialize  on  recent
military  history.   The most notable example of  war  discussion
taking  place elsewhere is the World War II mailing list,  which
averages 800 kilobytes per month of traffic and which almost closed down
after presenting far too great a load on its moderators than they could
handle.  The moderators of the list are in support of the proposed
newsgroup as the subject is far larger than can be easily dealt
with in mailing list form.  A newsgroup is needed.



HOW TO VOTE

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votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.



soc.history.war.* Bounce List - No need to revote
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From [email protected] (RonDippold) Tue Apr 19 17:51:25 1994
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold)
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Subject: RESULT: soc.history.war.{misc,world-war-ii} pass 161:25, 181:17
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                                    RESULT
	     soc.history.war.* results - 203 valid votes

 Yes   No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group
---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : -------------------------------------------
 181   17 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : soc.history.war.world-war-ii
 161   25 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : soc.history.war.misc
   1 invalid vote 

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soc.history.war.world-war-ii    History & events of World War Two. (Moderated)
soc.history.war.misc    History & events of wars in general.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting
questions only contact [email protected]  For questions about the
proposed group contact Joel Furr <[email protected]>.


CHARTER (Proponent)

The charter of soc.history.war.misc:  General discussion of wars,
including  military, social, political, economic,  technological,
historical, and demographic events.

The  charter of soc.history.war.world-war-ii:  Discussion of  the
era  1939-1945 in particular, but ranging as far back as 1918 and
as  far forward as the 1950's for discussion of events leading to
the  War and post-war events such as the occupation of Japan  and
Germany.   The  discussion will be limited to social,  political,
military,  economic,  technological, demographic,  and  historial
aspects of World War II, including discussion of:

     * Arms  limitations treaties in the 1920's, intended to head
          off any future war
     * the Weimar Republic
     * the rise of the Italian Fascists
     * the Japanese war with China
     * the rise of the Nazi Party
     * American isolationism
     * Franco-British appeasement
     * Italian misadventures in Africa
     * German occupation of the Sudentenland and Austria
     * the war proper, 1939-1945
     * the Manhattan Project
     * the Holocaust
     * Post-war occupation of Japan and Germany
     * Post-war governments of Europe
     * and so on.

In  other words, the mandate for soc.history.war.world-war-ii  is
intended  to  be  broad, rather than narrow, with  moderation  in
place  less to limit discussion than to keep out Gannon  and  the
Holocaust  Revisionists and other malicious posters.  Should  Dan
Gannon  or  Serdar  Argic submit articles which actually  discuss
World  War  Two  rather than spreading their brand of  conspiracy
theory, their articles will be approved for submission as well.

Moderation policy:
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Soc.history.war.world-war-ii will have a very relaxed  moderation
policy.  The main purpose, as noted above, for moderation of this
group  is to prevent it from turning into a revisionist flamefest
akin  to  misc.headlines or soc.history.  As  such,  any  message
which  actually  discusses World War  II  will  be  approved  for
posting,  provided that it does not attempt to claim that  events
such as the Holocaust never happened.  There are other groups for
discussion of that question, most notably, alt.revisionism.

Moderation rules:

  *  Articles which discuss World War Two and its events will be
  approved for posting.

  *  Articles arguing that the Holocaust never happened will not
  be approved for posting.

  *  Articles must contain original thought.  Lengthy quoting of
  source  material with a couple of lines of comment at  the  end
  will not be approved for posting.

  *  Blank    messages,   test   messages,    advertisements,
  MAKE.MONEY.FAST,  and  so  forth,  will  not  be  approved  for
  posting.

  *  Articles which include excessive quoting (e.g. an  article
  which  quotes  an entire other article in order to  add  a  few
  comments  at the end) will be trimmed down by the moderator  in
  question.

  *  An  article MUST have a valid reply-to address or it  will
  not be approved for posting.

  *  Rejected articles will be shared with the other moderators
  for group consideration.

As  noted  below, the group will be group-moderated, to  minimize
delay  between  submission and posting  and  to  keep  the  group
running when the traffic becomes heavy.

Moderators  will  be  added  by majority  vote  of  the  existing
moderators  and  moderators will be removed by 2/3  vote  in  the
event that a moderator is shown to be failing to do the job (i.e.
not posting anything).

Moderators:
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[email protected]               Gordon McFee
[email protected]                 Andrew McMichael
[email protected]     Brett Kottmann
[email protected]                              John Davis
[email protected]                    Joel Furr
[email protected]                 Kenneth Bullock
[email protected]               Ken McVay
[email protected]           A. M. Mughal
[email protected]                        Richard Miller
[email protected]              Martin Schafer

Moderation apparatus:
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This  group will be group-moderated using a Majordomo listserver.
It  has  been  configured so that each article received  at  ww2-
[email protected]  will be sent to the next moderator  in  turn,
using  a  list of subscribed moderators.  Hence, the *submission*
address   for  articles  will  be  [email protected]    The
*contact*  address  for  the group, once created,  will  be  ww2-
[email protected]


soc.history.war.* Final Vote Ack


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[email protected]                                    Shag Aristotelis YY
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[email protected]                                         Brett Kottmann YY
[email protected]                                        Arthur Blair NN
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[email protected]                                          Bruce Burden YY
[email protected]                               Michael Burianyk YY
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[email protected]                                    Chris Jackson Y-
[email protected]          Christian 'Lovable Curmudgeon' Claiborn NN
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[email protected]                                             Lee Chiao Ming YY
[email protected]                                      Chris Marble NN
[email protected]                                       Mitch Cobb YY
[email protected]                        Colin Emerson YY
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[email protected]                                Paul L. Cowan NY
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[email protected]                     Kenneth P. Crouch, Jr. NN
[email protected]                                       Craig Verver YY
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