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Transgendered New! ( soc.support.transgendered )
 
From [email protected] Wed May 11 15:00:58 1994
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From: [email protected] (Amelia A Lewis)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.psychology,soc.bi,soc.men,soc.motss,soc.women,alt.transgendered
Subject: RFD: soc.support.transgendered
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Summary: Request for discussion of a newsgroup for transgendered people
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This is a request for discussion of the creation of a newsgroup for
transgendered persons in the soc.* hierarchy.  It contains suggested
purpose, charter, one-line description, and rationale. This article is
crossposted to news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, sci.psychology,
soc.bi, soc.men, soc.motss, soc.women, and alt.transgendered.  Discussion
will continue for thirty days from the date of the posting of this RFD. 
If no consensus has by then been reached, discussion will be moved to
email to resolve problems. 

Discussion will take place in news.groups.

Group Name                   One-line Description
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soc.support.transgendered    Transgendered and intersexed persons


Status
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Unmoderated


Rationale
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Since its creation 30/10/1992, alt.transgendered has provided a forum for
crossdressers, transsexuals, intersexed persons, and their mates, friends,
and partners for discussion of issues surrounding these forms of behavior.
A number of first posts took the form "I thought I was the only one! 
Thank god for this group!"  Unfortunately, the propagation of
alt.transgendered is poor, which means that it may miss those most in need
of it, especially those deeply closeted and suffering the shame and guilt
of a behavior that they don't understand and cannot seem to quit. The two
transgendered mailing lists, Transgen and cd-forum, each have more than
300 subscribers despite relatively low profiles and screening of
subscribers, suggesting that there is sufficient interest for an
easily-accessible, mainstream usenet newsgroup.  Therefore, it is
suggested that a group for support of transgendered persons, and education
on and discussion about transgendered behavior, be created in the soc.*
hierarchy.  The proposed name for this newsgroup (per discussions of the
draft RFD and consultation with [email protected]) is
soc.support.transgendered.

The soc.support.* hierarchy, which may be expected to contain a number of
other groups, will effectively come into being with this newsgroup.  This 
hierarchy should also provide a home for other newsgroups in which mutual 
support is a major issue.


Charter
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Soc.support.transgendered is a forum for the discussion of issues
surrounding transgendered behavior, for support and networking of
crossdressers, transsexuals, intersexed persons, their mates, friends,
and families, and the simply curious. It provides a place for
discussions of discriminatory legislation, for discussions of the
sources of gender identity, and for discussion of the impact of
transgendered behavior on everyday life.  It is also a place where
those who are interested may come to learn what it means to be a
crossdresser, transsexual, or intersexed person. 

It is intended to foster discussion on a wide variety of topics, ranging
>from discussion of the perils and benefits of surgery and hormone therapy
to makeup tips, and including health- and job-related issues, issues of
parenting and of other relationships, and discussion of gender roles and
expectations.  It is the proper forum for support of transgendered
persons, ranging from autobiographies to names and addresses of support
groups, surgeons, and commercial outlets friendly to the transgendered
community.  It may be used for calls for help from those depressed by
their inability to live up to the social expectations appropriate to the
gender assigned them at birth. 

Soc.support.transgendered is NOT a newsgroup for the posting of fiction
with transgendered themes, personal ads, or blanket condemnations of the
transgendered.  Posters are expected to know and abide by the rules of
netiquette. 

Ultimately, the newsgroup's goals are dual: to provide support and advice
to those in need, and to act as a source of information to those
interested in learning more.


Summary
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It is requested that the newsgroup soc.support.transgendered be created.
The proposed unmoderated group would act as a forum for discussion of,
support for, and education about transgendered and intersexed persons. 
alt.transgendered has been in existence for more than a year and a half,
with reasonable volume despite poor propagation.  The similarly-themed
mailing lists (which will not be gatewayed, in order to protect
list-members' identities), each have over 300 subscribers.
soc.support.transgendered, with better propagation, would potentially reach
even more, especially those currently struggling with gender identity. 

---------------
Crossposted to: 

news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, sci.psychology, soc.bi, soc.men,
soc.motss, soc.women, alt.transgendered. 

Mailing list: [email protected]

Pointers to the RFD will also be posted in other appropriate newsgroups 
and at least one mailing list.


Contact person
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Amy A. Lewis  [email protected]
-- 
Amy A. Lewis
 [email protected]      Zhizn' prozhit'--ne pole pereiti.

From [email protected] Wed Jun 15 12:59:13 1994
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From: [email protected] (Peter Berger)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.psychology,soc.bi,soc.men,soc.motss,soc.women,alt.transgendered
Subject: CFV: soc.support.transgenered
Date: 15 Jun 1994 11:39:49 -0400
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                      FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
               unmoderated group soc.support.transgendered

Newsgroups line:

soc.support.transgendered    Transgendered and intersexed persons.

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 6 July 1994.

This CFV will also be posted to the <[email protected]>
mailing list.


This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting
questions only contact Peter G. Berger, Esq. <[email protected]>.
For questions about the proposed group contact Amy A. Lewis
<[email protected]>.

CHARTER

Soc.support.transgendered is a forum for the discussion of issues
surrounding transgendered behavior, for support and networking of
crossdressers, transsexuals, intersexed persons, their mates, friends,
and families, and the simply curious. It provides a place for
discussions of discriminatory legislation, for discussions of the
sources of gender identity, and for discussion of the impact of
transgendered behavior on everyday life.  It is also a place where
those who are interested may come to learn what it means to be a
crossdresser, transsexual, or intersexed person.

It is intended to foster discussion on a wide variety of topics, ranging
>from discussion of the perils and benefits of surgery and hormone therapy
to makeup tips, and including health- and job-related issues, issues of
parenting and of other relationships, and discussion of gender roles and
expectations.  It is the proper forum for support of transgendered
persons, ranging from autobiographies to names and addresses of support
groups, surgeons, and commercial outlets friendly to the transgendered
community.  It may be used for calls for help from those depressed by
their inability to live up to the social expectations appropriate to the
gender assigned them at birth. 

Soc.support.transgendered is NOT a newsgroup for the posting of fiction
with transgendered themes, personal ads, or blanket condemnations of the
transgendered.  Posters are expected to know and abide by the rules of
netiquette. 

Ultimately, the newsgroup's goals are dual: to provide support and advice
to those in need, and to act as a source of information to those
interested in learning more.

HOW TO VOTE

Send MAIL to:   [email protected]
Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.

Your mail message should contain one of the following statements:
      I vote YES on soc.support.transgendered
      I vote NO on soc.support.transgendered

You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome.
Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The
votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge-
ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again.
It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.

Only one vote per person, no more than one vote per account.  Addresses and
votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.

From [email protected] Tue Jul 12 15:07:06 1994
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Peter Berger)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.psychology,soc.bi,soc.men,soc.motss,soc.women,alt.transgendered
Subject: RESULT: soc.support.transgendered passes 298:72
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          unmoderated group soc.support.transgendered passes 298:72

There were 298 YES votes and 72 NO votes, for a total of 370 valid votes. 
There were 3 abstains and 10 invalid ballots.

For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO)
votes.   There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes. 

There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.  If no
serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of
news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter.

Newsgroups line:
soc.support.transgendered	Transgendered and intersexed persons

CHARTER

Soc.support.transgendered is a forum for the discussion of issues
surrounding transgendered behavior, for support and networking of
crossdressers, transsexuals, intersexed persons, their mates, friends,
and families, and the simply curious. It provides a place for
discussions of discriminatory legislation, for discussions of the
sources of gender identity, and for discussion of the impact of
transgendered behavior on everyday life.  It is also a place where
those who are interested may come to learn what it means to be a
crossdresser, transsexual, or intersexed person.

It is intended to foster discussion on a wide variety of topics, ranging
>from discussion of the perils and benefits of surgery and hormone therapy
to makeup tips, and including health- and job-related issues, issues of
parenting and of other relationships, and discussion of gender roles and
expectations.  It is the proper forum for support of transgendered
persons, ranging from autobiographies to names and addresses of support
groups, surgeons, and commercial outlets friendly to the transgendered
community.  It may be used for calls for help from those depressed by
their inability to live up to the social expectations appropriate to the
gender assigned them at birth. 

Soc.support.transgendered is NOT a newsgroup for the posting of fiction
with transgendered themes, personal ads, or blanket condemnations of the
transgendered.  Posters are expected to know and abide by the rules of
netiquette. 

Ultimately, the newsgroup's goals are dual: to provide support and advice
to those in need, and to act as a source of information to those
interested in learning more.

soc.support.transgendered Final Vote Ack

Do NOT use this as a mailing list.  Voting on this group does not
imply interest in receiving unsolicited mailings on the subject.

Voted Yes
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Voted No
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[email protected]                                              Trimm Industries
[email protected]                                           Tim Pierce
[email protected]                               JOHN R. LEWIS, PH.D.
[email protected]                                                 Vicki Richman
[email protected]                                        Ward F. Bush
[email protected]                                              Werner Uhrig
[email protected]                                        Rattlesnake Stu
[email protected]                                              Wilhelm Bock
[email protected]                                               Ed Symanzik

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[email protected]                                                     Lucy James
[email protected]                                          Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS
[email protected]                                            Raphael Carter


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[email protected]                                              Mary Monroe
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[email protected]                                              Jayne Sarah
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[email protected]                                             Becci Newton
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[email protected]                                                 Sarah B.
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[email protected]                                       Rick Pavek
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