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I've gotten enough of a positive response to my original Informal RFD that I
thought it was time for an Official RFD for sci.systems.

NAME:   sci.systems

CHARTER: (proposed)

  sci.systems provides a forum for the discussion of the theory and
  application of systems science. In the broadest sense, systems science is
  the study of the nature of systems. Such systems can be physical, chemical,
  biological, sociological, economic, etc. Systems science and system theory
  can be applied to systems of all types.

  Discussion might include, but is not limited to:

   - An overall discussion of the various aspects of the study of systems.
   - Discussion of the particular methods for analyzing systems.
   - Application of different methods to particular systems.

STATUS: unmoderated

Comments:

While many existing newsgroups address particular aspects of systems
science (such as sci.math, comp.theory.dynamic-sys, or comp.simulation) or
discuss the application of systems techniques to particular fields (sci.econ,
sci.bio, or sci.engr, for example), no existing newsgroup provides an
appropriate place for people from different fields to discuss different
approaches to the analysis and design of systems of all types. Sci.systems
serves this purpose.

Most respondants to the initial RFD agree that the group be called
sci.systems. If at some point the readership of sci.systems decides
volume or excessive noise in sci.systems warrant the formation of moderated
or unmoderated sub-groups (sci.systems.gen-theory or sci.system.engr, or
sci.systems.modelling, for example), appropriate RFD/CFV's might be issued.

Given the initial positive response to the unofficial frist draft of the
RFD for sci.systems, I would hope an initial Call for Votes could be
issued in two to three weeks. If anyone familiar with the voting process
would like to volunteer to handle the CFV, please let me know. Otherwise
I'll issue the CFV and take votes here.


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 Ken Sheppardson                                Email: [email protected]
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 Stanford University                            NASA-Langley Research Center

From [email protected] Sat Apr  4 03:28:12 1992
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From: [email protected] (Ken Sheppardson)
Subject: CFV:  sci.systems
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NAME:    sci.systems

STATUS:  Unmoderated

CHARTER: 

  Sci.systems provides a forum for the discussion of the theory and
  application of systems science. In the broadest sense, systems science is
  the study of the nature of systems. Such systems can be physical, chemical,
  biological, sociological, economic, etc. Systems science and system theory
  can be applied to systems of all types. Systems science as defined here
  includes mathematical systems analysis, systems engineering, general
  systems theory, etc. This definition is intentionally vague in order to
  encourage discussion on all aspects of the study of sytems.

  Discussion might include, but is not limited to:

   - An overall discussion of the various aspects of the study of systems.
   - Discussion of the particular methods for analyzing systems.
   - Application of different methods to particular systems.


RATIONALE:

  While many existing newsgroups address particular aspects of systems
  science (such as sci.math, comp.theory.dynamic-sys, or comp.simulation) or
  discuss the application of systems techniques to particular fields (sci.econ,
  sci.bio, or sci.engr, for example), no existing newsgroup provides an
  appropriate place for people from different fields to discuss different
  approaches to the analysis and design of systems of all types. Sci.systems
  serves this purpose.


VOTING:

  Send all votes to:   [email protected]

  Your message should include (preferably in the header) either:

     "YES" and "sci.systems" if you favor creation of the newsgroup

        or

     "NO" and "sci.systems" if you are against the creation of the newsgroup

  Voting will end at 2359 GMT on April 12, 1992.
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 Stanford University                            NASA-Langley Research Center

From [email protected] Sat Apr  4 03:35:38 1992
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From: [email protected] (Ken Sheppardson)
Subject: 2nd CFV and VOTE ACK:  sci.systems
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Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1992 17:37:28 GMT

NAME:    sci.systems

STATUS:  Unmoderated

CHARTER: 

  Sci.systems provides a forum for the discussion of the theory and
  application of systems science. In the broadest sense, systems science is
  the study of the nature of systems. Such systems can be physical, chemical,
  biological, sociological, economic, etc. Systems science and system theory
  can be applied to systems of all types. Systems science as defined here
  includes mathematical systems analysis, systems engineering, general
  systems theory, etc. This definition is intentionally vague in order to
  encourage discussion on all aspects of the study of sytems.

  Discussion might include, but is not limited to:

   - An overall discussion of the various aspects of the study of systems.
   - Discussion of the particular methods for analyzing systems.
   - Application of different methods to particular systems.


RATIONALE:

  While many existing newsgroups address particular aspects of systems
  science (such as sci.math, comp.theory.dynamic-sys, or comp.simulation) or
  discuss the application of systems techniques to particular fields (sci.econ,
  sci.bio, or sci.engr, for example), no existing newsgroup provides an
  appropriate place for people from different fields to discuss different
  approaches to the analysis and design of systems of all types. Sci.systems
  serves this purpose.


VOTING:

  Send all votes to:   [email protected]

  Your message should include (preferably in the header) either:

     "YES" and "sci.systems" if you favor creation of the newsgroup

        or

     "NO" and "sci.systems" if you are against the creation of the newsgroup

  Voting will end at 2359 GMT on April 12, 1992.

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Votes received as of 1700 GMT, 20 March 1992:

"Antonio A.F. Loureiro" 
"Dale Wyttenbach" 
"Kamran Jazayeri x7568" 
"R. Jayakrishnan" 
"[email protected]" 
[email protected]
[email protected]
BILL SIMPSON 
Benny Lovstrom 
[email protected]
Christopher Browne 
Daniel H. Miller 
Dennis Michaelson 
Jamison Graff 
Jim Roche 
Jonathan Kochmer 
Kate Gregory 
[email protected]
Mike Fessler 
Norman Yarvin 
[email protected]
Po Shan Cheah 
Richard Dallaway 
[email protected]
Sami Airo 
Sean Philip Engelson 
[email protected] (Staffan Liljegren)
Terje Norderhaug 
Timothy VanFosson 
Todd Huffman 
[email protected]
Waleed A Muhanna 
William Anthony Bralick 
William Calvin 
[email protected] (Alex Dommasch)
[email protected] (Andrew Rothwell)
[email protected] (Stephanie da Silva)
[email protected] (Bruce Nordman)
[email protected] (Basque Guy)
[email protected] (Mike Branicky)
bucur%[email protected] (alexander bucur)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Jim Caldwell)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Cristy)
[email protected] (Dave Elliott)
[email protected] (David DeMers)
[email protected] (Derek Zahn)
[email protected] (David E. Joyce)
[email protected] (Harigaya Kikuo)
[email protected] (Ed McGuire)
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Shang-Yung Wang(Huan-Chiu Ku))
[email protected]
[email protected] (Uncle Klaus)
[email protected] (Heine Rasmussen)
[email protected] (Krishna Kunchithapadam)
[email protected]
[email protected] (mehta)
[email protected] (Mike Jones)
[email protected] (Eric Minch)
[email protected] (Mark Brader)
[email protected] (David Muir Sharnoff)
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Graham O'Neil)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Paul Barton-Davis)
[email protected] (Leonard J. Peirce)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Richard Commander)
[email protected] (Roger Germundsson)
[email protected] (Rich Thomson)
[email protected] (Randall Whitaker)
[email protected](Sendhil Revuluri)
sosic%[email protected] (Rok Sosic)
teraluna!stevegt (Steve Traugott )
[email protected] (timothy a grogan)
[email protected] (John Thistle)
[email protected] (Tor Kristian Bjelland)
[email protected] (Tom Holroyd)
[email protected] (Zlatko Trajanoski)
[email protected] (Raymond Yee)
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 Ken Sheppardson                                       [email protected]
 Dept of Engineering-Economic Systems                   on graduate leave from
 Stanford University                              NASA-Langley Research Center

From [email protected] Mon Apr 20 12:47:32 1992
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From: [email protected] (Ken Sheppardson)
Subject: RESULT:  sci.systems passes 168: 19
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NAME:    sci.systems

STATUS:  Unmoderated

CHARTER: 

  Sci.systems provides a forum for the discussion of the theory and
  application of systems science. In the broadest sense, systems science is
  the study of the nature of systems. Such systems can be physical, chemical,
  biological, sociological, economic, etc. Systems science and system theory
  can be applied to systems of all types. Systems science as defined here
  includes mathematical systems analysis, systems engineering, general
  systems theory, etc. This definition is intentionally vague in order to
  encourage discussion on all aspects of the study of sytems.

  Discussion might include, but is not limited to:

   - An overall discussion of the various aspects of the study of systems.
   - Discussion of the particular methods for analyzing systems.
   - Application of different methods to particular systems.


RATIONALE:

  While many existing newsgroups address particular aspects of systems
  science (such as sci.math, comp.theory.dynamic-sys, or comp.simulation) or
  discuss the application of systems techniques to particular fields (sci.econ,
  sci.bio, or sci.engr, for example), no existing newsgroup provides an
  appropriate place for people from different fields to discuss different
  approaches to the analysis and design of systems of all types. Sci.systems
  serves this purpose.


RESULTS: 

  During the voting period, which ended April 12, 168 votes IN FAVOR of
  the creation of sci.systems were received. 19 votes AGAINST were received.
  By the guidelines for newsgroup creation which require a 2/3 majority in
  favor of creation and a 100 votes margin, the proposal passes.

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NO Votes:

"Kamran Jazayeri x7568" 
Jim Roche 
John G Dobnick 
Mark M Mehl 
Norman Yarvin 
Timothy VanFosson 
[email protected] (Ice)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Carl Rigney)
[email protected] (Cristy)
[email protected] (Christopher Ward)
[email protected] (Dave Elliott)
[email protected] (David E. Joyce)
[email protected] (Juan Vicente Echague)
[email protected] (mehta)
[email protected] (Mike Jones)
[email protected] (Mark Brader)
[email protected] (Leonard J. Peirce)
[email protected] (Richard H. Miller)

YES votes:

"Antonio A.F. Loureiro" 
"Bill Courtney" 
"Dale Wyttenbach" 
"Mr.V.K.S.Oh" 
"R. Jayakrishnan" 
"Terri L. Thomas" 
"a.e.mossberg" 
"[email protected]" 
[email protected] (PIOTR CEZARY  PROSZYNSKI)

[email protected]
Aleksandar Nikolic 
[email protected]
[email protected]
BILL SIMPSON 
[email protected]
Benny Lovstrom 
Bob Losee 
Brendan Kehoe 
CYBSYS-L Moderator 
[email protected]
Chris Kacoroski 
Christopher Browne 
Cliff Joslyn 
Clifford A Adams 
Daniel H. Miller 
David Kinny 
Dennis Michaelson 
Drau Morquendi 
Fred Sena 
Frits Daalmans 
GORDON ALLEN R 
Gerolf Starke 
HELDER JESUS ARAUJO 
Harry Fearnhamm 
Iddo Carmon 
James C. Nerney 
Jamison Graff 
Jeff Radick 
Jim Hess 
Jimmy Chen 
Jonathan Kochmer 
Kate Gregory 
Leavitt 
[email protected]
Mike Fessler 
Nasser Abbasi DTN 381-1584 VAX/VMS 
[email protected]
Paul Parry 
Peter Olsen 
Po Shan Cheah 
Prabal Acharyya 
Richard Dallaway 
Richard Johnson 
[email protected]
Sami Airo 
Sean Philip Engelson 
[email protected] (Staffan Liljegren)
Steve Petersen 
Stupendous Man 
Terje Norderhaug 
Theodor Gemenis 
Thilo Kielmann 
Toby Walsh 
Todd Huffman 
Uwe 
[email protected]
Vladimir KLONOWSKI 
Waleed A Muhanna 
William Anthony Bralick 
William Calvin 
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Abhijit V. Deshmukh)
[email protected] (Andrew Case)
[email protected] (Alex Dommasch)
[email protected] (Andrew Rothwell)
[email protected] (Stephanie da Silva)
[email protected] (Bruce Nordman)
[email protected] (Basque Guy)
[email protected] (Bill Tozier)
[email protected] (Mike Branicky)
bucur%[email protected] (alexander bucur)
[email protected] (richard)
[email protected] (Jim Caldwell)
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Dave Coombs)
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Carl A. DeFranco)
[email protected] (David DeMers)
[email protected] (Derek Zahn)
[email protected] (Dieter Platzer)
[email protected] (Diana Smetters)
[email protected] (Durgesh D Rao)
[email protected] (Harigaya Kikuo)
[email protected] (Ed McGuire)
[email protected]
[email protected]
fheyligh%[email protected] (Francis Heylighen)
[email protected] (Shang-Yung Wang(Huan-Chiu Ku))
[email protected](G. David Lange)
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]	(Bud Hammons)
[email protected] (Uncle Klaus)
[email protected] (Heine Rasmussen)
[email protected] (Zhang Hong)
[email protected] (Chris Hyde)
[email protected] (Jeremy M. Wertheimer)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Mehmet M. Kayaalp MD)
[email protected] (Krishna Kunchithapadam)
lotspeic%[email protected] (David Lotspeich)
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Michel d'Have)
[email protected] (Eric Minch)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Mario R Garzia)
[email protected] (David Muir Sharnoff)
[email protected] (Ranjan S Muttiah)
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Insufficient Dada)
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Graham O'Neil)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Paul Barton-Davis)
[email protected]
[email protected]
raney%[email protected] (Scott Raney)
[email protected] (Ray Allis 5-3583)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Richard Commander)
[email protected] (Roger Germundsson)
[email protected] (Roger Parks)
[email protected] (Rich Thomson)
[email protected] (Richard T Wurth)
[email protected] (Randall Whitaker)
[email protected](Sendhil Revuluri)
[email protected] (John B. Sampson x20644 R12-2019 134385)
[email protected] (hosts.byname)
sendall%[email protected] (Mike Sendall)
[email protected] (Lynda L. True)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Sue J. Worden)
sosic%[email protected] (Rok Sosic)
stss!steve (Steve Temcheff)
[email protected] (Tage Stabell-Kulo)
[email protected] (Timothy Smith)
teraluna!stevegt (Steve Traugott )
[email protected] (timothy a grogan)
[email protected] (John Thistle)
[email protected] (Tor Kristian Bjelland)
[email protected] (Tom Holroyd)
[email protected] (Zlatko Trajanoski)
[email protected] (Tyler R. Holcomb)
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (John Wilson)
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Raymond Yee)
[email protected] (Jiajie Zhang)
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