From [email protected] Tue Apr 18 22:40:10 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Gary F. Alderson) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.client-server Subject: RFD: comp.soft-sys.app-builder.uniface Followup-To: news.groups Date: 18 Apr 1995 20:27:30 -0400 Organization: The University of Manitoba Lines: 59 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:6634 news.groups:146330 comp.client-server:9913 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION unmoderated group comp.soft-sys.app-builder.uniface NEWSGROUPS LINE: comp.soft-sys.app-builder.uniface Uniface client-server application development PROPONENTS: Gary F. AldersonBill Shaver This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) on a proposal to create an unmoderated Usenet newsgroup. All discussion should take place in news.groups; please post follow-ups there, *not* to news.announce.newgroups. This is *not* a call for votes. Assuming the discussion goes smoothly, a Call For Votes (CFV) will be posted by an independent third party 21 to 30 days from the date of this posting. This RFD is cross-posted to: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, comp.client-server, [email protected] CHARTER for comp.soft-sys.app-builder.uniface: The unmoderated newsgroup comp.soft-sys.app-builder.uniface concerns the Uniface Client-Server Application Development Product. Appropriate subjects include problems, information, debugging, help, queries and general discussion. Postings are welcomed from the Uniface user community, Compuware/Uniface employees and management, as well as any other interested parties. Postings to the newsgroup will not be considered to be official statements of Compuware/Uniface. RATIONALE: The Uniface-L mailing list has become very active recently, with 30-50 posts per day, and the load on many local mail systems has become excessive. In addition, queries regarding Uniface have been appearing on the comp.client-server newsgroup, with varying degrees of success. The formation of comp.soft-sys.app-builder.uniface would serve to reduce the load on individual mail systems, provide an alternate means of reading and responding to postings using the various network news readers, and provide a focused newsgroup where people outside of the Uniface Users Group can post queries and read the various interactions taking place. NOTES: The newsgroup will be linked to the Uniface-L mailing list at [email protected]. Any posting made to the newsgroup will be mailed to the listserver and any mail sent to the listserver will automatically be posted on the newsgroup. This interface will be provided by University of Manitoba Computer Services in cooperation with the Communication Technology Center. From [email protected] Mon May 29 22:35:06 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Warren Lavallee) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.client-server Subject: CFV: comp.soft-sys.app-builder.uniface Followup-To: poster Date: 28 May 1995 18:50:17 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 85 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 19 Jun 1995 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: References: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:6913 news.groups:151534 comp.client-server:10751 FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group comp.soft-sys.app-builder.uniface Newsgroups line: comp.soft-sys.app-builder.uniface Uniface Client/Server App Development. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 18 June 1995. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact Warren Lavallee . For questions about the proposed group contact Gary F. Alderson , or Bill Shaver . RATIONALE The Uniface-L mailing list has become very active recently, with 30-50 posts per day, and the load on many local mail systems has become excessive. In addition, queries regarding Uniface have been appearing on the comp.client-server newsgroup, with varying degrees of success. The formation of comp.soft-sys.app-builder.uniface would serve to reduce the load on individual mail systems, provide an alternate means of reading and responding to postings using the various network news readers, and provide a focused newsgroup where people outside of the Uniface Users Group can post queries and read the various interactions taking place. CHARTER The unmoderated newsgroup comp.soft-sys.app-builder.uniface concerns the Uniface Client-Server Application Development Product. Appropriate subjects include problems, information, debugging, help, queries and general discussion. Postings are welcomed from the Uniface user community, Compuware/Uniface employees and management, as well as any other interested parties. Postings to the newsgroup will not be considered to be official statements of Compuware/Uniface. The newsgroup will be linked to the Uniface-L mailing list at [email protected]. Any posting made to the newsgroup will be mailed to the listserver and any mail sent to the listserver will automatically be posted on the newsgroup. This interface will be provided by University of Manitoba Computer Services in cooperation with the Communication Technology Center. HOW TO VOTE Send MAIL to: [email protected] Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list. Your mail message should contain *one* and only one of the following statements. DO NOT QUOTE THIS CFV IN YOUR VOTE. I vote YES on comp.soft-sys.app-builder.uniface I vote NO on comp.soft-sys.app-builder.uniface I vote ABSTAIN on comp.soft-sys.app-builder.uniface I CANCEL my vote on comp.soft-sys.app-builder.uniface Neither ABSTAIN nor CANCEL messages are counted as votes; they serve only to cancel any previous vote. Abstentions are noted in the final vote list, whereas CANCEL removes your vote from that list entirely. (This is the only difference between the two.) Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge- ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. If you later change your mind you may vote again; only your last valid vote will count. Standard Guidelines for voting apply: no more than one vote per person, no more than one vote per account. If you attempt multiple votes or other vote fraud, all your votes may be canceled and your name published. The complete vote list will be posted with the vote result, including how each person voted. Note that Usenet votes are not done by secret ballot. There will then be a five-day period during which the published vote list may be corrected and any irregularities addressed. The requirements for group creation are 100 more YES votes than NO votes, and 2/3 of all counted votes being YES. DISTRIBUTION This CFV has been cross posted to: comp.client-server and EMailed to: [email protected] From [email protected] Wed Jun 7 17:10:20 1995 Status: RO Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Warren Lavallee) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.client-server Subject: 2nd CFV: comp.soft-sys.app-builder.uniface Supersedes: Followup-To: poster Date: 7 Jun 1995 16:34:59 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 85 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 19 Jun 1995 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: References: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:7007 news.groups:152735 comp.client-server:10961 LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group comp.soft-sys.app-builder.uniface Newsgroups line: comp.soft-sys.app-builder.uniface Uniface Client/Server App Development. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 18 June 1995. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact Warren Lavallee . For questions about the proposed group contact Gary F. Alderson , or Bill Shaver . RATIONALE The Uniface-L mailing list has become very active recently, with 30-50 posts per day, and the load on many local mail systems has become excessive. In addition, queries regarding Uniface have been appearing on the comp.client-server newsgroup, with varying degrees of success. The formation of comp.soft-sys.app-builder.uniface would serve to reduce the load on individual mail systems, provide an alternate means of reading and responding to postings using the various network news readers, and provide a focused newsgroup where people outside of the Uniface Users Group can post queries and read the various interactions taking place. CHARTER The unmoderated newsgroup comp.soft-sys.app-builder.uniface concerns the Uniface Client-Server Application Development Product. Appropriate subjects include problems, information, debugging, help, queries and general discussion. Postings are welcomed from the Uniface user community, Compuware/Uniface employees and management, as well as any other interested parties. Postings to the newsgroup will not be considered to be official statements of Compuware/Uniface. The newsgroup will be linked to the Uniface-L mailing list at [email protected]. Any posting made to the newsgroup will be mailed to the listserver and any mail sent to the listserver will automatically be posted on the newsgroup. This interface will be provided by University of Manitoba Computer Services in cooperation with the Communication Technology Center. HOW TO VOTE Send MAIL to: [email protected] Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list. Your mail message should contain *one* and only one of the following statements. DO NOT QUOTE THIS CFV IN YOUR VOTE. I vote YES on comp.soft-sys.app-builder.uniface I vote NO on comp.soft-sys.app-builder.uniface I vote ABSTAIN on comp.soft-sys.app-builder.uniface I CANCEL my vote on comp.soft-sys.app-builder.uniface Neither ABSTAIN nor CANCEL messages are counted as votes; they serve only to cancel any previous vote. Abstentions are noted in the final vote list, whereas CANCEL removes your vote from that list entirely. (This is the only difference between the two.) Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge- ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. If you later change your mind you may vote again; only your last valid vote will count. Standard Guidelines for voting apply: no more than one vote per person, no more than one vote per account. If you attempt multiple votes or other vote fraud, all your votes may be canceled and your name published. The complete vote list will be posted with the vote result, including how each person voted. Note that Usenet votes are not done by secret ballot. There will then be a five-day period during which the published vote list may be corrected and any irregularities addressed. The requirements for group creation are 100 more YES votes than NO votes, and 2/3 of all counted votes being YES. DISTRIBUTION This CFV has been cross posted to: comp.client-server and EMailed to: [email protected] From [email protected] Wed Jun 21 16:43:28 1995 Status: RO Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Warren Lavallee) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.client-server Subject: RESULT: comp.soft-sys.app-builder.uniface passes 360:19 Supersedes: Followup-To: news.groups Date: 21 Jun 1995 01:22:14 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 455 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:7082 news.groups:154656 comp.client-server:11197 RESULT unmoderated group comp.soft-sys.app-builder.uniface passes 360:19 There were 360 YES votes and 19 NO votes, for a total of 379 valid votes. There were 3 abstains and 2 invalid ballots. For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes. There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter. comp.soft-sys.app-builder.uniface passed on Tue May 30 14:27:38 1995 Newsgroups line: comp.soft-sys.app-builder.uniface Uniface Client/Server App Development. This vote was being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact Warren Lavallee . For questions about the proposed group contact Gary F. Alderson , or Bill Shaver . CHARTER The unmoderated newsgroup comp.soft-sys.app-builder.uniface concerns the Uniface Client-Server Application Development Product. Appropriate subjects include problems, information, debugging, help, queries and general discussion. Postings are welcomed from the Uniface user community, Compuware/Uniface employees and management, as well as any other interested parties. Postings to the newsgroup will not be considered to be official statements of Compuware/Uniface. The newsgroup will be linked to the Uniface-L mailing list at [email protected]. Any posting made to the newsgroup will be mailed to the listserver and any mail sent to the listserver will automatically be posted on the newsgroup. This interface will be provided by University of Manitoba Computer Services in cooperation with the Communication Technology Center. RATIONALE The Uniface-L mailing list has become very active recently, with 30-50 posts per day, and the load on many local mail systems has become excessive. In addition, queries regarding Uniface have been appearing on the comp.client-server newsgroup, with varying degrees of success. The formation of comp.soft-sys.app-builder.uniface would serve to reduce the load on individual mail systems, provide an alternate means of reading and responding to postings using the various network news readers, and provide a focused newsgroup where people outside of the Uniface Users Group can post queries and read the various interactions taking place. [This collection of addresses is (C)1995 by Consultix Computer Services. Permission is strictly NOT given to use this list or any part thereof to make a mailing list, or for mass-mailings. Any other use is fine.] comp.soft-sys.app-builder.uniface Final Vote Ack Voted Yes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected] Ralf Kohlberg [email protected] Greg Christenson [email protected] Bruce Schmiesing [email protected] Mark Luszczynski (Carboline) @atc.boeing.com [email protected] GWA Information Systems [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] Arttu Huhtiniemi [email protected] Azad Juma [email protected] Andrew Lahser [email protected] [email protected] Alderson, Gary [email protected] Amir Bahmanyari [email protected] Amy Aldridge [email protected] Amy Bradley [email protected] [email protected] Andrew Wyss [email protected] Andrew [email protected] Andy Heydon [email protected] Andy Lewandowski [email protected] Anton Arts ARA/PCLEF/[email protected] ARA/PCLEF/[email protected] [email protected] Ari Valtanen [email protected] Arjen Folkers [email protected] [email protected] Andrew Rosenbaum [email protected] ASTHARA%[email protected] Rajul Asthana [email protected] Jim Ault [email protected] Gordon Austin [email protected] BOWERS JR O G [email protected] Rebecca G. Ball [email protected] Carel Bast [email protected] Kathy Bass [email protected] Uniface Consultant [email protected] Bob Bennett - Sr. Support Specialist [email protected] Harris Berkowitz [email protected] [email protected] Bernadette Baylosis [email protected] Bill Richardson [email protected] Billat Etienne [email protected] Bill Grossman [email protected] Bjoern Bagge [email protected] [email protected] Bo Malmgren [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] Bob Dove BRASFIELD_DENIS/[email protected] [email protected] Robert Bretall [email protected] Mark Brodell [email protected] Bill Shaver [email protected] [email protected] Peter Burk x5014 [email protected] Busch, Don [email protected] WONG Bernie (CFSSU) [email protected] Caelus, Inc. [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] Chris Aviles [email protected] Charlton B. Barreto [email protected] Siu-Ki Chan [email protected] Chappell, Barbara [email protected] Charles Borsboom [email protected] Cheryl Cheung [email protected] Chris Benson [email protected] Christian Ehinmola [email protected] Christiane Renck [email protected] Christian Roze [email protected] CJS [email protected] BEGOVICH C L [email protected] Cliff Middleton [email protected] Chris Stamper [email protected] Cecelia M. Rocha [email protected] david cohen [email protected] Coopman, Paul [email protected] Cameron Randale Bass [email protected] Carl Scotson [email protected] Clive Steward [email protected] [email protected] Daniel Thornton [email protected] [email protected] Darek Iwanski [email protected] Dave Siembieda [email protected] Dave Stohlton [email protected] David Barron [email protected] David Bean [email protected] Derek Blalock [email protected] David Dixon [email protected] Mike DePaola-Systems Analyst/MIS [email protected] Derek Inksetter [email protected] Derek Chapman [email protected] Dave Plonka [email protected] DFO [email protected] [email protected] David Joyce, 4-9541 [email protected] Don Cockrell [email protected] Freddy Donckels [email protected] [email protected] Douglas Colter [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] Dave Wheeler [email protected] Michael Russell Fronheiser [email protected] Ed Thiemann [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] Eisler, Margaret [email protected] Erica Sandstedt [email protected] Erkki Hakulinen [email protected] Eric L. Shupp [email protected] [email protected] Emma Parker [email protected] Ge Faber [email protected] [email protected] Jerry Fatcheric [email protected] Linwood Ferguson [email protected] Frank Hemingway [email protected] Tom Fisk [email protected] Frank Lenzotti Jr [email protected] Paul Fremau [email protected] Frieda Naaijer [email protected] [email protected] Geoffrey Bray [email protected] [email protected] Marcel Ritschard [email protected] Markus Schaub [email protected] Thomas Sommerhalder [email protected] Glenn Winokur [email protected] Gerardo Marin [email protected] Kurtiss J Gordon [email protected] Ginny Peterson [email protected] Greg Hartman [email protected] Girish Wagle [email protected] Geoffrey Andoh [email protected] Hal Steger [email protected] Hamid Rofoogaran [email protected] Eric Hanich [email protected] Henry A. Patterson [email protected] [email protected] Henk van der Veer [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] Hiebert, Daniel [email protected] [email protected] Nico Hoogervorst HOPKINSSL%A1%[email protected] [email protected] Mike Hostetler [email protected] John E Hough Jr [email protected] Annette M. Hough [email protected] Iain Fildes [email protected] Ido Sarig ilpapa@ozemail Steve Prowse [email protected] [email protected] Martin Ingram [email protected] Irene Cherkasin [email protected] Irene Mendoza [email protected] Ivar Otto Ekker [email protected] Ivar Thorstad [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] Jannetta, Jim [email protected] Janne Karjalainen [email protected] Jarmo Ruuth [email protected] JJ Brychell [email protected] JD Almand-DOAS Telcom Systems [email protected] Jeff Whitfield [email protected] [email protected] Jill Nishimura [email protected] Jason Carter [email protected] John Seinen [email protected] John Hergert [email protected] Jonboy [email protected] Jon Halling [email protected] Joseph Meree/SYBASE [email protected] Jos Groenland [email protected] Jo Moss [email protected] [email protected] 474-9940 [email protected] Kamela Arya - VAR Technical Account Manager [email protected] John E. Kane [email protected] Karen Yamagata [email protected] Kay Lister [email protected] Cadmus [email protected] kcooney [email protected] Rune Slinning [email protected] Keith Phillips [email protected] Ken Blood [email protected] Kerry Sainsbury [email protected] Kishor Gohil [email protected] Kim Bishop [email protected] Daryl Kines [email protected] Kari Natunen [email protected] [email protected] Robert Koorevaar [email protected] Aaron Krause [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] Kevin Schofield [email protected] BENTLEY KEVIN T. [email protected] VIRJEE Karim [email protected] Martin Schroeder [email protected] Craig D. Lansing [email protected] Larry Sung - Production Shipping [email protected] Lars-Goran Engman [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] Maarten Mo van Leer [email protected] Wai-Chung Leo So [email protected] Les Murphy [email protected] Steven Levesque [email protected] LEON J. FISHER [email protected] Lincoln Rickwood [email protected] Wilson Lo [email protected] Jim Looker (4-0414) [email protected] [email protected] Lynn Adams [email protected] Madelyn Blair [email protected] [email protected] Maira Benjamin [email protected] Srini Mandala [email protected] Jeffrey Mann [email protected] [email protected] Maria Gronberg [email protected] Mark Drake [email protected] Jean-Luc Martou [email protected] Mathieu Pageau matt%[email protected] Matthijs Peters, [The Zlorf M [email protected] Matthew Moore [email protected] Joe Matuscak [email protected] Jim Driscoll [email protected] Maxim Kholmyansky [email protected] BELLEFEUILLE Marc [email protected] [email protected] MCW [email protected] Pat Meakin [email protected] [email protected] Michael Tiger [email protected] Michael Mackoul [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] Mike Pellicciotti (8-662-4948) [email protected] MJW [email protected] Jeroen Molenaar [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] Marshall S Pimenta [email protected] Rob Mullen [email protected] Martin Frost [email protected] Myrna van Lunteren [email protected] Nicholas Chrimes [email protected] Nigel Menendez [email protected] Odd Erling Hagen [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] Paul Roltsch [email protected] Paul Salemme [email protected] Poulomi Damany [email protected] Pete Burris 512-356-3988 [email protected] Peter Featherstone [email protected] P.B.A. Verschoor [email protected] Patricia Hancock [email protected] Don Schiewer [email protected] Heimo [email protected] Rajesh Badani [email protected] [email protected] Peter Mulreid [email protected] Pompeyo Castillo [email protected] Patrick To [email protected] Paul Chapelhow [email protected] PXD [email protected] Raj Pratha [email protected] Ramesh Kannappan [email protected] [email protected] RHW [email protected] Richard Lee [email protected] Richard H. Miller [email protected] Rickard Westerberg [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] Robert Yau - Sr. Engineer [email protected] Robert Pierce [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] Ronald Keller [email protected] Ronald Put [email protected] [email protected] Roy Mitchell [email protected] Roger Peek [email protected] Rohit Shyam [email protected] Richard Siggins, Eastman Chemical Co. Research Labs [email protected] Rupert Lane [email protected] Sam Sorrell [email protected] Sandy Brown [email protected] Mike Santy/Systems Manager [email protected] Sarah Cardella [email protected] John A. Saunders 708-938-8518 [email protected] Jeff Sawin 708-937-4005 [email protected] [email protected] Scott Cook [email protected] Scott Spaman [email protected] John Shangler [email protected] Tim Shaw [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] Siva [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] Anton Smits [email protected] Leo W. So [email protected] [email protected] Spence, Susan [email protected] Banting, Sharon [email protected] Stef Danylko [email protected] Stein Schjerve [email protected] stephen bottle [email protected] STEVE MAVIS [email protected] Steve 'Cool' Drake [email protected] Steve Seligson [email protected] Steve Yellenberg [email protected] C Jackson,Stewarts Supermarke [email protected] [email protected] Stephen W. Cook [email protected] [email protected] Shahin Ali [email protected] Kaye Sykes [email protected] tanjit%[email protected] Tanji, Tami [email protected] Les Taylor [email protected] Frank Thomas [email protected] Jim W. Thomas [email protected] Timothy Rafferty [email protected] Trevor Harvey [email protected] Tom Gutman [email protected] Tuyet Tran [email protected] [email protected] Uniface CCC [email protected] [email protected] Mayur Vaghani [email protected] Venkatesh Srinivasa [email protected] [email protected] Craig Vincek [email protected] Rolly Vipond [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] Wayne Wang [email protected] Wes Cole [email protected] Steven J Wegner [email protected] Mad Marvin Wengerd [email protected] [email protected] West Mount loin [email protected] Thomas Schmitt [email protected] Bruno Yernaux [email protected] Yvette Thorne [email protected] Joyce Zaslov [email protected] Guus Zijlstra Voted No ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected] Ananda M. Kar [email protected] Michiel Wijers [email protected] Christopher Ward [email protected] Eric Garbos gordon@yuki Gordon Engel [email protected] Ian Jackson [email protected] John R. MacWilliamson [email protected] Hasnain Khan [email protected] Kim DeVaughn [email protected] Lance K. Chun [email protected] Mark Fontes [email protected] Mark A Podracky [email protected] Nick Ingegneri [email protected] Ollivier Robert [email protected] Smarasderagd [email protected] Dwight Brown [email protected] Thomas G. McWilliams [email protected] Tim Pierce [email protected] Risto Widenius Abstained ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected] Kenneth P Crouch [email protected] M Mike Taksar KC6ZPS [email protected] M. Otto Votes in error ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected] Poulomi ! No vote statement in message [email protected] Hans Manders ! No vote statement in message